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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on September 27, 2011, 11:01:08 PM
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Tue Sep-27-11 03:57 AM
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Deregulation does not 'create' jobs. It makes things more efficient. More efficient=fewer jobs.
Discuss. Cause I am not buying that deregulation creates jobs. The GOP say corporations are 'job creators' but not when downsizing and outsourcing and deregulations take place.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2009221
wow
I'm going to bed.
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Then there is this thread (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2014048) talking about how deregulation has made flying so cheap that almost everyone can afford to fly coast to coast.
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More efficient usually means different types of jobs. Take an ATM for example. I'm sure there were those who moaned about the loss of banking jobs when ATM's first started to be used, but banks still hire plenty of people. Plus, now we need people to build, install, and maintain the machines. Somebody still needs to write the computer program for the machine.
Higher efficiency often means that a higher level of skill is required. When I worked at a law firm, there were paralegals there who remembered using a typewriter to complete forms, and that they had to have three colors of correction tape, one for each layer of the carbon copy paper. Computerized forms were implemented, so each person could theoretically complete more work, but that meant that clients could expect a faster turn around so plenty of people were still needed. Plus, it added a requirement for an IT team in the office.
I read a study once that even with all the efficiencies in modern cleaning technology, the average woman still spent the same amount of time as before we had machines to do it all, because higher efficiencies lead to higher expectations. If you can clean your clothes with the touch of a button then they had better be washed every day.
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Higher efficiency often means that a higher level of skill is required.
That is the stickler for DUmb****s. Most are highly skilled, to be sure; just in illegal drug acquisition and gaming the welfare system. They're not skilled in retaining a job.
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Deregulation also means fewer barriers to entry, and so more competition, better prices for the consumer, and ultimately more jobs. There is a definite need for SOME regulation, in terms of safety and "Deconflicting" uses (LIke allocation of broadcast frequencies), but most of it is just damn' red tape that protects some special interest.
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Remember, these are the people that said increasing taxes will make companies hire more people.
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The DUmbass is correct in saying that corporations do not create jobs. In general they eliminate jobs as they buy small and medium sized companies and then get rid of redundancies in the amassed companies and their existing org chart. It is the small and medium companies that make the jobs. Deregulation makes it easier to for those companies to start up and expand. That is where the jobs are created.
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..."Deconflicting" uses (LIke allocation of broadcast frequencies)...
This was always one of my biggest frustrations with the Ronulan/anarcho-capitalist (yes, such a thing exists)/hard core libertarians at my pre-CU/CC internet home.
They despised the FCC etc for potential abuse, which was worth guarding against but they were impervious to suggestions that people who invested in broadcasting on a given frequency should have their claim protected the same way a property owner listed his deed of title with the local assayer's office.
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I read the thread and got a throbbing headache. My nomination for the dumbest post of the day:
applegrove (1000+ posts) Tue Sep-27-11 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #15
18. Right on. Even though deregulation has taken place, jobs have been outsourced and downsized,
with a more competative market you used to be able to count on lower prices. Lower prices would lead to more demand. Now there is no demand because the jobs are gone. The whole world economy is going to have to collapse before corporations do what needs to be done...refinance mortgages, etc. Meanwhile the only jobs that look promising are chinese tourist to America jobs, if the government lowers regulation in the form of no longer requiring visas, but even this is dependant on China not going into recession. If the whole world goes into a double dip recession those chinese toursists are going to stay home.
Where did she pull that out of? :mental:
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I read the thread and got a throbbing headache. My nomination for the dumbest post of the day:
Where did she pull that out of? :mental:
I think she's applying for Nadin's VP.
Cindie
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Regarding the title of this thread:
Will they have an almost fanatical dedication to the Pope? :tongue: