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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on September 23, 2011, 04:38:11 PM
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Oh my.
warrior1 (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-23-11 05:23 PM
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(California) Three anti-state-employee ballot measures cleared for signature-gathering stage
I got this in an email:
The Secretary of State has given the OK for three proposed ballot measures to begin their signature gathering stage. If enacted into law by the voters, they would:
increase the minimum retirement age
impose a punitive tax on retirement income
eliminate collective bargaining rights for public employees.
The initiatives were put forward by Lanny Ebenstein, president of the Santa Barbara Tax Payers Association, who is looking to make a name for himself by trying to reduce the hard-earned rights and benefits public employees have fought for and won over many decades.
The proposals are bad for public safety and horrible for public employees who have sacrificed greater pay for a decent retirement. Ultimately, these measures would reduce the quality of employees that will seek public-sector work and lead to huge vacancies in most governmental agencies.
CSLEA is a member of an organization known as the Labor Coalition, which is fighting to keep these initiatives from ever reaching the ballot. You may have seen signature-gatherers outside your local grocery story or big box retailer trying collect enough registered voters on a petition to qualify measures for the ballot. Those signature gathers usually are not volunteers and are paid based on the number of signatures they collect.
Generally, the going rate for a signature is a $1.25 to $1.50 each and all three initiatives need more than 800,000 valid signatures to qualify for the ballot. Since many signature-gatherers falsify names and addresses, proponents generally have to collect around 1,200,000 signatures in order to make the necessary quota for qualification. This problem increases the cost of qualification to about $2.5 to $3.5 million per initiative.
We do not know if Ebenstein will be able to raise the resources necessary to qualify his three initiatives or to run a campaign to get them approved by the voters. Nevertheless, the Labor Coalition is developing a full blown effort to stop these measures in their tracks.
Here are the summaries of the ballot initiatives that we are tracking that have been cleared for circulation:
after which the detailed legalese stuff of the initiatives
You know, I've never been sure about this "reduce the quality of governmental employees" stuff.
It doesn't seem we're getting what we're paying for anyway.
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-23-11 05:29 PM
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2. Don't you love ALEC?
They are so cute and pro American...
It will end one way or the other...but I fear it won't be pretty.
Go on ass holes...you want a real class war? Don't cry when you get the real deal m'kay?
nadin.....your husband's laundry calls you.
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You know, I've never been sure about this "reduce the quality of governmental employees" stuff.
The head of state highway maintenance in my county once told me that if the state would let him fire all his help and reduce his work force to half it's size, hire back the few good ones, double the pay of workers, that he could get more done at less cost.
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The head of state highway maintenance in my county once told me that if the state would let him fire all his help and reduce his work force to half its size, hire back the few good ones, double the pay of workers, that he could get more done at less cost.
That's probably true just about everywhere, sir.
That's why I don't get this "reduce the quality of" bullshit, if governmental employee pay and benefits is reined in.
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That's probably true just about everywhere, sir.
That's why I don't get this "reduce the quality of" bullshit, if governmental employee pay and benefits is reined in.
State pay for those jobs ain't much but the benefits are great...and that's why most are there and not worth a damn.
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-23-11 05:29 PM
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Go on ass holes...
Good one, nutcase!
She has a pretty comprehensive resume in her dossier here,
but I'm afraid we don't have a complete listing of nadinisms.
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The head of state highway maintenance in my county once told me that if the state would let him fire all his help and reduce his work force to half it's size, hire back the few good ones, double the pay of workers, that he could get more done at less cost.
We have a local reporter that goes around taking pictures of the sterotypical 1 guy digging/paving/climbing, etc., while 8 others watch. It is a hoot. If I can find his FlickR feed again, I will post it.
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We have a local reporter that goes around taking pictures of the sterotypical 1 guy digging/paving/climbing, etc., while 8 others watch. It is a hoot. If I can find his FlickR feed again, I will post it.
Hey, I'm nosey, I'll ask a biting question in a dang minute. I asked the head of DOT about there being 2 pickups, 1 dumptruck and 6 workers at a job taking an hour to do what one man could do in 10 minutes. It is in some cases required by the state for safety reasons. Got to put out signs, flagmen and flashing lights because some idiot crashed into a truck years ago and he and his lawyer both retired off the resulting lawsuit.,,,,but idiots still crash into the work trucks and sue the state... and a collection of 12 other idiots give the idiot millions for being stupid because it ain't THEIR money.... :mad: :argh: