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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on September 15, 2011, 10:34:39 AM
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xoom (109 posts) Thu Sep-15-11 12:59 PM
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Cherokee Indians: We are free to oust blacks
OKLAHOMA CITY — The nation's second-largest Indian tribe said on Tuesday that it would not be dictated to by the U.S. government over its move to banish 2,800 African Americans from its citizenship rolls.
"The Cherokee Nation will not be governed by the BIA," Joe Crittenden, the tribe's acting principal chief, said in a statement responding to the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs.
Crittenden, who leads the tribe until a new principal chief is elected, went on to complain about unnamed congressmen meddling in the tribe's self-governance.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44516027/ns/us_news-life/#....
Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-15-11 01:02 PM
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1. Disgusting. They should lose their tribal recognition
if they do not reverse this.
So the honky donkey gets to tell the red man how to live. Suppose if blacks stop voting democrat you'd ask for their protected class status also be revoked.
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xoom (109 posts) Thu Sep-15-11 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. I agree.
This is probably something the tea baggers will support.
Couldn't care less...
...but it's fascinating to watch.
Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-15-11 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #1
12. What part of tribal sovereignty do you not understand?
I certainly do not agree with their decision, but I do believe that the US government should should not be meddling in their affairs.
Paleface speak with forked tongue.
Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-15-11 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #12
22. Agreed, until they start violating the civil rights of racial minority groups.
Just like I'm comfortable with states running their own schools, until they start segregating by race, at which point I expect the Federal Government to intervene.
Um-m-m...dipshit, tribal recognition--by definition--is based on nothing BUT race.
glinda (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-15-11 02:47 PM
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44. Unique since their records are the worst unless there are some in a Church somewhere...
:orly:
Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-15-11 01:25 PM
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11. It all comes down to money
The people ousted are decedents of the slaves owned by the Cherokee and eventually granted citizenship. Now with casinos and such, they want to kick them out of the tribe so they will not be entitled to vote or share in tribal benefits.
This shouldn't really surprise anyone. The tribe is made up of people and people succumb easily to greed.
So much for the romantic myth of the noble savage.
pipi_k (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-15-11 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #36
42. Well you don't know for a fact
that they're being "racist".
They could just as easily have done the same thing with members of some other NA tribes they might have taken as slaves.
And racism involves more than just ousting a group of people because they do not have the required blood relation. It means judging those people to be inferior. Which, in this case, I don't think is happening. They're only saying, "You don't share our bloodlines, therefore you are not a member of the tribe".
Would it be racism if an African tribe did the same thing with whites who might have joined the tribe (in whatever capacity)? You do not share our blood. You are not a member of the tribe.
I dunno...I don't see racism here....
pipi_k (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-15-11 02:33 PM
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38. I agree...from the article...
"The African Americans lost their citizenship last month when the Cherokee Supreme Court voted to support the right of tribal members to change the tribe's constitution on citizenship matters.
The change meant that Cherokee Freedmen who could not prove they have a Cherokee blood relation were no longer citizens, making them ineligible to vote in tribal elections or receive benefits."
It's their right to say that if you don't have blood ties, then you are not a tribal member.
What is this...the US government "gives" them the right to have their own form of government, but only if they do what we think they should?
I'm no expert, but I've read enough on what the US government did to the NAs to feel a lot of disgust. More than enough to say let 'em do what they want to do on their own land. That we "gave" them.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1943613
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If anyone can join the tribes, coach could get his smokes a lot cheaper.
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If anyone can join the tribes, coach could get his smokes a lot cheaper.
He's relatively close to an Indian reservation. Just sayin'.
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He's relatively close to an Indian reservation. Just sayin'.
I looked at it once, and then quit looking.
The difference in prices, at least here, isn't worth the time and trouble.
Also, they tend to have only off-brands, while I prefer an on-brand.
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I looked at it once, and then quit looking.
The difference in prices, at least here, isn't worth the time and trouble.
Also, they tend to have only off-brands, while I prefer an on-brand.
You can get Marlboro, Winston, Camels, etc. here at the res. for about 25% less than retail.
ETA: There is a Sac & Fox store over on SH 99 that had cartons of Marlboro for $46 last week.
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I looked at it once, and then quit looking.
The difference in prices, at least here, isn't worth the time and trouble.
Also, they tend to have only off-brands, while I prefer an on-brand.
Agreed. I have a friend who buys cartons at a time of the "off-brand" smokes at a Indian reservation for something like $25/carton. And they taste terrible.
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And they taste terrible.
They're an Abomination.
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Muslims run (bootleg) low taxed cigarettes to New York and the other high tax blue states to fund terrorism.
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Muslims run (bootleg) low taxed cigarettes to New York and the other high tax blue states to fund terrorism.
In the NYC area, it's also Russian crime syndicates involved in that...of course the Russians will be in literally anything where they think they can make a buck, including fuel. They are especially big on anything that involves being able to lay hands on something wholesale in a semi-legitimate way (Or theft in wholesale lots) and then retailing it out illegally absent the taxes, pocketing the all the price above what it took to get the stuff in the first place.
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In the NYC area, it's also Russian crime syndicates involved in that...of course the Russians will be in literally anything where they think they can make a buck, including fuel. They are especially big on anything that involves being able to lay hands on something wholesale in a semi-legitimate way (Or theft in wholesale lots) and then retailing it out illegally absent the taxes, pocketing the all the price above what it took to get the stuff in the first place.
Was the black market all they were allowed to leave with from the socialist workers paradice?
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Was the black market all they were allowed to leave with from the socialist workers' paradise?
Uh huh.
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Was the black market all they were allowed to leave with from the socialist workers paradice?
Let's just say the oppressive yet oddly-spotty security environment in the old country made them very good at what they do.
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You know, I ain't never seen no injuns on BET.
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Muslims run (bootleg) low taxed cigarettes to New York and the other high tax blue states to fund terrorism.
The ex socialist Governor of MI., Granholm, put a stop to that. She raised cigarette tax to raise money to put a tax stamp on the bottom of every pack of smokes sold in the state. Cartons had to have each pack stamped.
That showed em.
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The ex socialist Governor of MI., Granholm, put a stop to that. She raised cigarette tax to raise money to put a tax stamp on the bottom of every pack of smokes sold in the state. Cartons had to have each pack stamped.
That showed em.
Illinois has had the tax stamp on cigarettes for some time. I borrowed a cigarette from a guy at work one time and his pack had a stamp in a foreign language that looked Cyrillic , he claimed he had bought them at a store in the small town he lives in.
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Cherokee don't typically go by skin color or blood, they tend to go by culture. Sam Houston was an accepted member of the Cherokee tribe, his second wife was Cherokee.
Some of the western tribes did care about blood.
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Dummies are always so creative.
JustAnotherGen (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-15-11 11:59 AM
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60. Reading it again
Wasn't 40 Acres and a mule the 'idea' the Republicans had for the Freedmen? I wonder if since they were handed over to their 'slave owners' - they can sue the Cherokee tribe for slave reparations?
Generally I'm not a fan of 'slave reparations' and it's been a dog whistle by the Right and used as a 'scare tactic'.
But I think it might be in order here. And since it's NOT the U.S. Government - but the NON U.S. Tribe of the Cherokee Nation . . . can they sue for reparations?
Hell yes Souix and do something about them renegade 'Ute too.
Dummies, providing the best entertainment on the intertubes for ten years running.
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Illinois has had the tax stamp on cigarettes for some time. I borrowed a cigarette from a guy at work one time and his pack had a stamp in a foreign language that looked Cyrillic , he claimed he had bought them at a store in the small town he lives in.
NY's had that for at least 20+ years.