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Title: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: BattleHymn on September 11, 2011, 10:26:37 AM: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1917789

The DUmmies displaying their patriotism on September 11, the best way they know how:

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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts)     Sun Sep-11-11 10:48 AM
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KS teacher steps on flag while discussing free speech rights


Free speech lesson in Towanda

A Kansas high school teacher has apologized and will change her lessons after parents objected when she stepped on a U.S. flag while discussing free speech rights in her history class.

Officials at Circle High School in Towanda said Jennifer McKinsey, a U.S. government and history teacher, stepped on a flag last week while discussing controversial behaviors that are protected by the First Amendment, The Wichita Eagle reported.

To illustrate the point and prompt class discussion, McKinsey took her personal American flag from the classroom wall, put it on the ground and stepped on it several times.

Cherie Davis, a parent of a Circle High student, complained in emails to the teacher and principal this week after a posting on her Facebook page prompted dozens of comments, including some that said McKinsey should be fired.

Read more: http://midwestdemocracyproject.org/blogs/entries/free-speech-lesson-towanda/#ixzz1XeheVfsI (http://midwestdemocracyproject.org/blogs/entries/free-speech-lesson-towanda/#ixzz1XeheVfsI)

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MadHound (1000+ posts)     Sun Sep-11-11 10:49 AM
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1. I see, a lesson that didn't take, a lesson that wasn't learned.

A real shame.

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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts)     Sun Sep-11-11 10:50 AM
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2. Sounds like a great teacher to me

But it's Kansas. Need I say more? LOL

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aikoaiko (1000+ posts)     Sun Sep-11-11 10:58 AM
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4. Or maybe it did.


The teacher expressed herself.

The parents expressed themselves.

Someone's behavior changed.

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Solly Mack (1000+ posts)     Sun Sep-11-11 10:55 AM
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3. I keep typing different things and I keep coming back to **** Cherie Davis.

I'll stay with that.

Cherie Davis was the parent of the student who complained.

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tridim (1000+ posts)     Sun Sep-11-11 11:03 AM
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5. There's just a touch of hypocrisy in calling for firing someone for expressing their rights.

I'll just leave it at that.

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BiggJawn (1000+ posts)     Sun Sep-11-11 11:11 AM
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6. Sort of like "People DIED for your Right of Free Speech, so STFU!"

Yeah, that one always made me go "WTF?"

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wtmusic (1000+ posts)     Sun Sep-11-11 11:17 AM
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8. The parents don't have the right to tell her to STFU?

I thought that was their right too.

DUmmie wtmusic must be fishing for a tombstone today.

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rustydog (1000+ posts)     Sun Sep-11-11 11:19 AM
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9. Teacher backed away from her free speech rights

The Flag is a symbol of this country, it's ID card to the rest of the world. It is a ****ing SYMBOL, people.
And in the words of George Carlin: I'll leave symbols to the symbol-minded.

George Carlin, is probably DUmmie rustydog's spirit chicken guide now.
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: GOBUCKS on September 11, 2011, 10:37:52 AM: Quote
rustydog (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-11-11 11:19 AM
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9. Teacher backed away from her free speech rights

The Flag is a symbol of this country, it's[sic] ID card to the rest of the world.
I'll leave symbols to the symbol-minded.
And I'll leave ignorant, illiterate grammar to the simple-minded.
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: JohnnyReb on September 11, 2011, 10:39:32 AM: MadHound (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-11-11 10:49 AM
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1. I see, a lesson that didn't take, a lesson that wasn't learned.

A real shame.

Yep, the teacher didn't learn a damn thing.

When one of the students didn't step up, knock hell out of her and defend the flag, it never dawned on her that some day, after all the liberal indoctrination, that no one will step up and defend her sorry ass.
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: BlueStateSaint on September 11, 2011, 10:40:56 AM: Hey, Anne, you want a real lesson in "freedom of speech?"

Burn a Koran. :fuelfire:
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: JohnnyReb on September 11, 2011, 10:46:24 AM: Quote from: BlueStateSaint on September 11, 2011, 10:40:56 AM
Hey, Anne, you want a real lesson in "freedom of speech?"

Burn a Koran. :fuelfire:

:lmao: You can't be series....a DUmmie do something that may prove detrimental to their health.... :lmao:

They will just fall back on the old, "That's disrespectful to other cultures."

COWARDS I DARE YOU TO DO IT

Oh my, I just remembered how they started squealing when that preacher down in Florida was going to burn one.
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: Rebel on September 11, 2011, 10:46:58 AM: Quote from: BlueStateSaint on September 11, 2011, 10:40:56 AM
Hey, Anne, you want a real lesson in "freedom of speech?"

Burn a Koran. :fuelfire:

They want your ass prosecuted for that.
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: jukin on September 11, 2011, 10:57:09 AM: Free speech is a one way street for the DUchebags.

What about stepping on a picture of 0?
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: BlueStateSaint on September 11, 2011, 10:58:04 AM: Quote from: jukin on September 11, 2011, 10:57:09 AM
Free speech is a one way street for the DUchebags.

What about stepping on a picture of 0?

That might work.
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: JohnnyReb on September 11, 2011, 11:11:22 AM: Quote from: jukin on September 11, 2011, 10:57:09 AM
Free speech is a one way street for the DUchebags.

What about stepping on a picture of 0?

Btter yet...Burn him in F-O-GEE.

Effigy
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: DLR Pyro on September 11, 2011, 12:10:24 PM: DUmmies, feel free to come to my house and step on my flag. Come on, I dare you. :bird:
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: Ballygrl on September 11, 2011, 02:15:35 PM: Quote from: BlueStateSaint on September 11, 2011, 10:40:56 AM
Hey, Anne, you want a real lesson in "freedom of speech?"

Burn a Koran. :fuelfire:

woah woah woah woah woah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :fuelfire:
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: Rebel on September 11, 2011, 02:25:30 PM: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9091167#9091287

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4535879

Inconsistency is EASY to find at the DUmp.
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: Janice on September 11, 2011, 02:31:35 PM: Quote
On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag

Why not? A brave fellow American flag stomper (one of their own) resides in the White House now.
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: Evil_Conservative on September 11, 2011, 02:34:05 PM: Why must we share a country with people like Jennifer McKinsey and other DU members? What is this teacher's DU name?
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: delilahmused on September 11, 2011, 02:52:04 PM: There are other ways to express controversial free speech rights. If she had illustrated her point with a racist comments the DUmp would have seething with hatred. The stupid Kansas school teacher whose grammar skills rival that of a 3rd grader would be posting the letter to the editor to the state's largest newspaper. And getting accolades.

Cindie
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: franksolich on September 11, 2011, 03:42:25 PM: Hey Anne, you miserable old bitch.

Kiss me.
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: Ballygrl on September 11, 2011, 03:45:00 PM: OMG! I saw it?
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: franksolich on September 11, 2011, 03:46:52 PM: Quote from: Ballygrl on September 11, 2011, 03:45:00 PM
OMG! I saw it?

I'm sure you're just seeing things, madam.

But it expresses my sentiments to a tee.
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: Ballygrl on September 11, 2011, 03:47:45 PM: Quote from: franksolich on September 11, 2011, 03:46:52 PM
I'm sure you're just seeing things, madam.

But it expresses my sentiments to a tee.

Oh I know what I saw, I feel special LOL.
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: franksolich on September 11, 2011, 03:48:58 PM: Quote from: Ballygrl on September 11, 2011, 03:47:45 PM
Oh I know what I saw, I feel special LOL.

The wretched miserable old bitch is the one who's supposed to feel special, madam.

Anne can look, but she'll never be able to touch.

Alas! poor Anne! alas!
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: formerlurker on September 11, 2011, 03:59:30 PM: She can have all the freedom of speech she can shove down her pie hole -- just not on the public dime.

I don't recall stepping on American flags being approved curriculum for high school students by any school board in the country.
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: franksolich on September 11, 2011, 05:52:10 PM: Oh my.

A lurker from the Kansas City area.

:tongue: :rotf: :yahoo: :whistling:
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: Rebel on September 11, 2011, 05:59:13 PM: Dude, WTF man.
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: formerlurker on September 11, 2011, 06:04:07 PM: Quote from: Rebel on September 11, 2011, 05:59:13 PM
Dude, WTF man.

Yeah I saw it too. LOL!!!

Nice ass Frank!
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: franksolich on September 11, 2011, 06:04:34 PM: Quote from: Rebel on September 11, 2011, 05:59:13 PM
Dude, WTF man.

:stoner:
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: franksolich on September 11, 2011, 06:08:35 PM: Quote from: formerlurker on September 11, 2011, 06:04:07 PM
Yeah I saw it too. LOL!!!

It's hard work, though.

The day before yesterday, there was certain "guest" lurking on a certain other thread here, and it was a guest well-known to all of us.

It was just him and me.

I mooned him, but because there might be some sort of "time delay," I dunno if he caught it.

From what I understand of the Italianate male culture, that was the biggest insult one could possibly deliver.

It was him, but again, I'm not sure if he left before it popped up. He looked as if he was still there, but there's the "time delay."
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: franksolich on September 11, 2011, 06:15:27 PM: By the way, I'm blushing a little bit--not much, just a little tiny bit--that decent and civilized people have caught this, when it's meant only for the primitives.

But since surely by now three people have seen it, I'm compelled to ask.

If the primitives didn't know that was franksolich, would the primitives hit on franksolich?
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: formerlurker on September 11, 2011, 06:17:26 PM: Quote from: franksolich on September 11, 2011, 06:15:27 PM
By the way, I'm blushing a little bit--not much, just a little tiny bit--that decent and civilized people have caught this, when it's meant only for the primitives.

But since surely by now three people have seen it, I'm compelled to ask.

If the primitives didn't know that was franksolich, would the primitives hit on franksolich?

Definite playgirl material Frank. :naughty:
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: franksolich on September 11, 2011, 06:19:05 PM: Quote from: formerlurker on September 11, 2011, 06:17:26 PM
Definite playgirl material Frank. :naughty:

I must remind all it's pretty much a PG picture of franksolich, nothing more than that.
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: formerlurker on September 11, 2011, 06:24:57 PM: He was butt naked kids -- posing on his bed. Definitely not PG.

:-)
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: franksolich on September 11, 2011, 06:26:56 PM: Quote from: formerlurker on September 11, 2011, 06:24:57 PM
He was butt naked kids -- posing on his bed. Definitely not PG.

:-)

Sleeping in bed.

Remember, I wasn't aware there was someone behind me.

A photograph snapped a second later would've been in the R range, and hence not used here to titillate the primitives.
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: formerlurker on September 11, 2011, 06:29:38 PM: :rofl: :rofl:

How many guests did you have over that night Frank???

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/TV-MA_icon.svg/50px-TV-MA_icon.svg.png)

S for explicit sexual activity
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: Airwolf on September 11, 2011, 06:42:40 PM: Once again DUmmies confuse Free speech with the consequences of it. You can do or say anything you like BUT you are not free from the consequences of your actions or speech if someone takes umbridge to it or if it violates the law.
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: franksolich on September 11, 2011, 06:46:34 PM: Quote from: formerlurker on September 11, 2011, 06:29:38 PM
:rofl: :rofl:

How many guests did you have over that night Frank???

Oh now, I told the story of this picture elsewhere.

It's from August 2007, when I was staying with friends in Vermillion, South Dakota.

I said my "good nights," and then went to bed, totally at peace with the world.

The husband of the couple was drunk, and thought he'd play a prank.

He played it.

I was like, really upset. Just really pissed off.

Some days later, his wife, embarrassed about the whole thing, told me that he got drunk the next night, and put it on the internet.

I was speechless. I was enraged.

The few around here who saw it (not that they looked for it; that I showed it to them)--the neighbor, the neighbor's wife, the property caretaker, and a couple of other people--thought I was making too big of a deal about it (one of those times franksolich is called "dude," when I seem upset over something that nobody else seems upset over).

As the neighbor tried to assure me, "It's a nice ass, but nice asses are a dime a dozen."

It took a little over a year before that friendship up in Vermillion was repaired.

I forgave, erased, but I made sure the erasure shows (as an erasure of something).

My point wasn't the photograph, really. Now, if I'd been drunk or stupid or silly, I would've had no cause to complain for being taken advantage of. After all, I was being drunk or stupid or silly.

But it wasn't that; I was wholly innocent, culpable of no part of the blame.

That photograph was snapped by taking advantage of my deafness, pure and simple.

That is not sporting.

Anyway, over the years I've mellowed about it; after all, it's just an average photograph of an average guy with an average posterior, so no big deal. Because my face is turned, no one in real life would know it's franksolich.
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: formerlurker on September 11, 2011, 06:49:21 PM: Frank -- I would have been furious also, but heck dude -- you do have a nice ass, so no harm showing it off now and again. :-)
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: franksolich on September 11, 2011, 06:55:55 PM: Quote from: formerlurker on September 11, 2011, 06:49:21 PM
Frank -- I would have been furious also.....

What's done is done, and can't be undone.

One accepts, adapts, and moves on.

Once a tragedy, and now a farce, obviously.

As for those who haven't seen it--which is 99.847% of the membership here--I assure them it's only a PG picture, and my attributes are.....average.

But it's a damned handy way to mock the contemptible primitives.
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: Ballygrl on September 11, 2011, 06:58:55 PM: Quote from: franksolich on September 11, 2011, 06:15:27 PM
By the way, I'm blushing a little bit--not much, just a little tiny bit--that decent and civilized people have caught this, when it's meant only for the primitives.

But since surely by now three people have seen it, I'm compelled to ask.

If the primitives didn't know that was franksolich, would the primitives hit on franksolich?

In the pic I saw? you'd be totally ripe for the picking.
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: franksolich on September 11, 2011, 07:00:10 PM: Quote from: Ballygrl on September 11, 2011, 06:58:55 PM
In the pic I saw? you'd be totally ripe for the picking.

A primitive from Wichita, Kansas is looking at this thread.

Too bad for her; no mooning greenbriar.
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: Ballygrl on September 11, 2011, 07:03:04 PM: She really wants to see the pic?
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: franksolich on September 11, 2011, 07:03:54 PM: Quote from: Ballygrl on September 11, 2011, 07:03:04 PM
She really wants to see the pic?

Trust me, greenbriar is NOT going to get to see the picture.

<<choosy about his audience.
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: franksolich on September 11, 2011, 07:15:34 PM: New primitive sight-seers on board now.

Too bad for them.

:tongue: :tongue: :tongue:
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: NHSparky on September 11, 2011, 07:18:43 PM: ROFLMFAO...nice ass, coach!!!!

Something tells me the primitives have yet to learn the meaning of the words, "CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW..."

Free speech doesn't mean freedom from criticism when you do something incredibly stupid or tasteless.
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: franksolich on September 11, 2011, 09:15:28 PM: Quote from: NHSparky on September 11, 2011, 07:18:43 PM
ROFLMFAO...nice, coach!!!!

Thanks, sir.

I hope the Die alte Sau likes it.

But while she may look, she mayn't touch.
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: delilahmused on September 12, 2011, 03:41:50 AM: Quote from: formerlurker on September 11, 2011, 06:04:07 PM
Yeah I saw it too. LOL!!!

Nice ass Frank!

You mean I missed it? I'm SO disappointed!

Cindie
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: franksolich on September 12, 2011, 07:48:03 AM: Quote from: delilahmused on September 12, 2011, 03:41:50 AM
You mean I missed it? I'm SO disappointed!

Yeah, right, madam, as if there's anything special; it's a pretty ordinary picture of an average guy, nothing more.

Besides, it's meant for lurking primitives to see, not decent and civilized people.

As Sigmund Freud would say, it's a way of showing Contempt, and nobody's more worthy of utter contempt than the primitives.

Chief S itting Bull, the bird-smacking stoned red-faced primitive was also here yesterday (Sunday), but left before I could get his lust-glands salivating.

Anyway.....I'm busy the next three days, so no hijinks from franksolich.
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: Erasmus on September 12, 2011, 08:20:02 AM: Yeah, they're fine with burning a flag to teach a history "lesson" (as if kids are too dumb to know what burning a flag is without demonstration) - but all HELL breaks loose if someone decides to whisper a prayer. :o
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: Ballygrl on September 12, 2011, 08:45:03 AM: Quote from: Erasmus on September 12, 2011, 08:20:02 AM
Yeah, they're fine with burning a flag to teach a history "lesson" (as if kids are too dumb to know what burning a flag is without demonstration) - but all HELL breaks loose if someone decides to whisper a prayer. :o

Actually that's a good analogy, we do have Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion, so how would she react if a Teacher decided to teach Free Speech and Freedom of Religion in her plan?
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: JohnnyReb on September 12, 2011, 08:52:42 AM: Quote from: Ballygrl on September 12, 2011, 08:45:03 AM
Actually that's a good analogy, we do have Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion, so how would she react if a Teacher decided to teach Free Speech and Freedom of Religion in her plan?

UGLY....the kids would be scarred for life.
Title: Re: On Sept. 11, the DUmmies want to step on your flag (proud2blibkansan)
Post by: Janice on September 12, 2011, 11:35:29 AM: Quote from: Erasmus on September 12, 2011, 08:20:02 AM
Yeah, they're fine with burning a flag to teach a history "lesson" (as if kids are too dumb to know what burning a flag is without demonstration) - but all HELL breaks loose if someone decides to whisper a prayer. :o

Or what if they burned a 'rainbow coalition' flag?

Or a flag of Islam?