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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: GOBUCKS on September 09, 2011, 12:41:09 PM
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Duer 157099 (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-09-11 02:40 AM
Original message
This blackout in So Cal strikes me as very odd
Isn't it really weird that such a large area can be completely blacked out for over a day (they're predicting)? WTF is wrong with us? That sounds like something that simply should not happen anymore. Is it a symptom of some deep problems with our infrastructure, or is it totally normal and acceptable that this could happen?
Hundreds of thousands of people will lose all of the food in their fridges/freezers. That is A LOT of food, that is expensive to replace. People are just supposed to suck it up and shrug their shoulders and go "oh well"?
I lost power for a couple hours about a month ago and I freaked the **** out. A DAY? In 100 degree weather? No fans? UGH WTH is wrong with us?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1905582
I'd like to see a blackout over the entire state of California lasting three or four weeks.
Let the moonbats reaffirm their absolute opposition to any new generating capacity.
More on crumbling infrastructure:
Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-09-11 02:47 AM
Response to Original message
1. See below
The outage was likely caused by an employee removing a piece of monitoring equipment...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Now image if that whole building where the equipment is were to burn down - it probably would take weeks if not months to rebuild and everyone would be without electricity for a very very long time!
The infrastructure in most of America is OLD and needs to be updated ASAP.
p.s. When hurricane Ike came through Houston a few years ago I was without electricity for two weeks.
They said at the time it would have not taken so long if our grid/equipment/lines had been more modern.
Duer 157099 (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-09-11 03:10 AM
Response to Reply #4
6. "Oops! Sorry!"
Seems that is all anybody has to do anymore, just shrug it off and go on.
When the **** will we finally say ENOUGH!?!
Divernan (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-09-11 03:39 AM
Response to Reply #12
15. No, Equipment failure IS someone's fault. It's called Product Liability.
I taught classes on this in law school and I cannot educate you on this on line.
Don't worry about it. Nutcase nadin will handle that when she gets back.
DUmmy Broderick, who wants to abolish free enterprise altogether:
Broderick (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-09-11 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #1
36. I sense a great opportunity for Nationalization of
our power structure, companies and grids which in turn could provide jobs to update the infrastructure.
truedelphi (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-09-11 03:29 AM
Response to Reply #2
13. On the plus side, generators are now rather inexpensive, and can provide
Several hours of energy for not that much propane.
I am hoping my household will be off the grid soon. I hate P G & E and their smart meters.
Hopefully, DUmmy truedelphi is running that generator indoors, out of the weather.
More than likely, he bought one that runs off electricity, or on battery power.
truedelphi (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-09-11 03:54 AM
Response to Reply #14
17. Tht's what I expect as well.
And there are rumors afloat that they somehow can "listen" to the activites in your household.
They can also sense the odor of burning weed.
Divernan (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-09-11 04:01 AM
Response to Reply #17
19. Basically they know peak hours are dictated by homeowners' work schedules
Private utility companies are grifters.
DUmbasses like Divernan have no idea what that word means, but they heard it used against Sarah Palin, so they know it's bad.
DUmmy kristopher returns from a trip to The Google:
kristopher (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-09-11 03:18 AM
Response to Original message
10. A grid built around centralized thermal generation is subject to cascade failures that...
...require a while to recover from.
Once the failure is contained and "roped off" from the rest of the grid, the process of reintegrating all of the generation begins. You've heard of 60 cycle or 50 cycle? The generators in the section that is still operational are all synchronized; that is, the speed and timing of the flip from positive to negative as each generator produces its alternating current (AC) all match . The section that is roped off must bring their generators into synchronization with those that are still running before they can be reintegrated into the powered network.
That is made much more difficult by the size of the coal and nuclear generators. The shafts are very long very, very heavy with wire windings, and once they stop, they sag in the middle - actually bending the shaft.
To get the bend out they must restart very slowly and turn until the shaft is straightened. Sometimes this process of getting the shaft turning at operating speed can take up to 24 hours.
It is, I believe, even more complicated with nuclear for reasons related to the process of reactor shut down and restart.
DUmmy Divernan, with words that should never be uttered at the DUmp:
Divernan (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-09-11 03:55 AM
Response to Reply #10
18. You would make an excellent expert witness.
sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-09-11 11:48 AM
Response to Original message
33. Overloaded and outdated grids are bound to blackout. It shocked me we didn't have a major
blackout this July when millions of air conditioners were running 24/7.
That's why the democrat party supports building new generation capacity. Oh, wait...
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The DUmp where the very gullible meet the very stupid, introduced by the highly uninformed.
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I lost power for a couple hours about a month ago and I freaked the **** out. A DAY? In 100 degree weather? No fans? UGH WTH is wrong with us?
:panic: :panic: :panic:
That's their biggest problem. They expect everything to run perfectly and when it doesn't they have NO clue what to do about it.
Get a brain moron. When the power is out and you think it is going to be out for more than 10 hours you go buy some ICE and ICE down your stuff. And NO, refrigerators and freezers do not heat up in a couple of hours. If you keep them closed the food in them will last quite a while.
KC
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-09-11 03:29 AM
Response to Reply #2
13. On the plus side, generators are now rather inexpensive, and can provide
Several hours of energy for not that much propane.
I am hoping my household will be off the grid soon. I hate P G & E and their smart meters.
DUmmie doesn't like the fact that someone is monitoring his use?
Hah! Wait until your DUmmie friends take over and nationalize it!
KC
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This blackout was caused by a stupidassed UNION member ****ing something up in Arizona. Period. Paragraph.
SoCal would have been much better off had this UNION asshole been in Washington, joining the UNION violence up there.
**** liberals.
**** unions.
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With the response that liberals gave to the Texas wildfires I can't even muster enough feeling to say Ha Ha.
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With the response that liberals gave to the Texas wildfires I can't even muster enough feeling to say Ha Ha.
But the blackout was caused by a KKKORPORATION that failed to build enough infrastructure to guarantee that something like this
could NEVER happen.
(nevermind that a union flunkie caused the whole mess)
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Broderick (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-09-11 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #1
36. I sense a great opportunity for Nationalization of
our power structure, companies and grids which in turn could provide jobs to update the infrastructure.
The Feds where in control of a brothel in Nevada and couldn't find a way to trun a profit. That should give Broderick some kind of clue has to how good the government is at running things. They couldn't make money selling sex to horny men... just think of the implications of that.
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The DUmmie talking about the "generator" shafts bending was funny. It's the turbine shafts that bow and it does take some time to start the turbines from a cold start. But for a hot start (or restart) one to four hours is the norm for coal/gas/oil fired plants.
Long ago I was in a small power plant when they tried to put 2 generators on line together. Long story short, they weren't synchronized and all hell broke loose when the operator flipped the handle on the control panel. Loud noise, generator dropped load, steam out the top of the building and the turbine ran away.... I would have run away to but I didn't know which way to go. :rotf:
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The Feds where in control of a brothel in Nevada and couldn't find a way to trun a profit. That should give Broderick some kind of clue has to how good the government is at running things. They couldn't make money selling sex to horny men... just think of the implications of that.
Hello, post office anyone?!? :p
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Lurking DUmbasses,whenever you all catch on to a new buzzword (infrastructure) and then spend days trying to all use it and create stories that shows how it personally affects you we all laugh at you.
Please keep it up.
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Lurking DUmbasses,whenever you all catch on to a new buzzword (infrastructure) and then spend days trying to all use it and create stories that shows how it personally affects you we all laugh at you.
Please keep it up.
Oh their "infrastucture" is messed up alright, why do you think they take so many mind altering drugs....both legal and illegal.