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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Freeper on September 06, 2011, 09:12:29 PM
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villager (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Sep-06-11 12:17 PM
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They're going after Hoffa's remarks because they're terrified of people fighting back
Edited on Tue Sep-06-11 12:21 PM by villager
There are more of us than them.
The ruling elites' biggest fear is that we realize that, and act accordingly.
Hence their media wind-up dolls dutifully disparaging Hoffa's remarks -- part of a pattern, you'll note, having to do with any "remarks," like Alan Grayson's, etc., that might stir people up, get them to "see," bind them in collective action against their fiduciary masters, et al.
It's no accident. Because what if somebody else picks up on Hoffa's remarks, and what if that kind of anti-GOP rhetoric becomes commonplace, in spite of their ownership of the airwaves?
Could be a kind of trouble they hadn't anticipated. And they don't like that.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1885423
Hey DUmmy you want to see some terrorized people? just mention, Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann, Sarah Palin, or any other conservative at DU.
You idiots go on and on about how dangerous it is when conservatives use rhetoric, yet when your guys do the same thing you say they are inciting violence, you just can't stand the fact that your own talking points are being used against you.
The other thing is if a KKK member was talking about lynching people, most people would not think they are speaking metaphorically, same goes when a union thug talks about taking people out, people tend to think that there is some violence behind the words. Sarah Palin has never shot anyone, so when she says to "target" people, reasonable decent folks won't think she means go to their house and shoot them, when a union thug says take someone out, there is the thought that maybe he or his goons might show up and break someone's kneecaps. In other words when your organization is known for violence, when you use metaphors people might be concerned.
OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Sep-06-11 12:20 PM
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1. Right on!! Right ON. What was Grayson's problem?? Weiners
problem??? Fearless enough to stand up to Bullies.
The Unions are different. They are not afraid to fight.
No, both of them are idiots plain and simple.
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Sep-06-11 12:29 PM
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2. Yup, they are 'fried of the fight
I have the feeling we are very near the crossing of that point. Wisconsin showed them that people will fight back as well. The fight on SB5 is the same thing. THose are still peaceful. What really scares them is that people will conclude that there is little more than pikes... that truly scares them.
We are going to get there at the pace we are going.
Fried of the fight? :rotf:
liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Sep-06-11 12:37 PM
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4. They are also afraid of the truth
So far the truth has worked well for us conservatives, it's you goons who revise history, and make stuff up.
Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Sep-06-11 01:35 PM
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10. Hoffa should get out there and now say the SOB's want to shut me up....
Edited on Tue Sep-06-11 01:36 PM by Historic NY
that ought to work. Don't let them shout you down.
We don't want him to shut up, the more he talks the more support you will lose. He will scare off decent folks.
RandiFan1290 (648 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Sep-06-11 02:08 PM
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14. Heard two different local RW hosts say
That Hoffa should be killed and buried with his father. I guess we won't hear much about those kind of statements.
:whatever:
CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Sep-06-11 07:34 PM
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20. They are bullies & the last thing a bully wants is someone who fights back.
What is it about this, that our president doesn't get?
Your president is a bully, and he cries when anyone fights back against his bullshit.
pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Sep-06-11 08:57 PM
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21. In THIS case...probably. But their constant "need" for apologies from Democrats is generally an
issue of control & public perception, particularly because the Republicans surely know they deserve anything the Democrats have thrown at them. The Democrats don't play their game of lies & perception; they've only had to speak the truth. So why apologize when the Republicans earned it?
:shrug:
Democrats and truth in the same sentence. :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
The democrats are the ones who told us that 0bamacare would reduce our insurance costs.
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Ship of Fools (460 posts) Tue Sep-06-11 01:59 PM
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11. per Jim Morrison:
"They've got the guns but we've got the numbers ... gonna win--yeah--we're taking over!"
Good, then I won't run out targets until my position is overrun...
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Where do the primitives get this absurd notion "there's more of us than of them"?
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villager (1000+ posts) Tue Sep-06-11 12:17 PM
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They're going after Hoffa's remarks because they're terrified of people fighting back
There are more of us than them.
Then cowboy the **** up, *****. Oh, for the love of GOD do I want you retarded chimps to FINALLY get it over with.
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Where do the primitives get this absurd notion "there's more of us than of them"?
I dunno Frank, same place they get that every time a repuke wins an election it's fraud.
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While I look forward to a fight, I do not fear it at all. I have 10,000s of rounds that are getting older.
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Do people still say "right on"? I thought that was only on re runs of Good Times.
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Do people still say "right on"? I thought that was only on re runs of Good Times.
Groovey man. :-)
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While I look forward to a fight, I do not fear it at all. I have 10,000s of rounds that are getting older.
10,000? Slacker.
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The Unions are different. They are not afraid to fight.
Well then bring it bitch.
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Bring it on DUmmies. I love a target rich environment.
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Where do the primitives get this absurd notion "there's more of us than of them"?
In these *more of us* instances, I truly believe they are talking in code. You see, 9% of the labor force are union workers + 19% of voting Americans are liberals = 100% more likely to engage in violence.
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In these *more of us* instances, I truly believe they are talking in code. You see, 9% of the labor force are union workers + 19% of voting Americans are liberals = 100% more likely to engage in violence.
Not all of the union members are Dems. :-)
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Obama, Pelosi, and Reid bullied the country for two years unopposed, ramming ObamaCare down the countries gullet. The people stood up under the banner of the Tea Party.
And who didn't like that?
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I look forward to the day I run out of bullets. So I can choke the life out of a few of these morons!
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No, DUmmie, we're going after Hoffa because his comments were stupid and uncalled for. We're going after Hoffa because we're tired of hacks lying about us. We're tired of the nonsense.
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Where do the primitives get this absurd notion "there's more of us than of them"?
It's easy to convince yourself that you're in the majority when you spend all of your time at a place where other opinions are not allowed.
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I don't worry about myself if there is fighting. But, I would hate to see it happen.
It's so pointless, and it seems to affect the people who can least absorb it. I was in Detroit in the 60s, during the 'race' riots. It didn't help a single thing and the areas most damaged never recovered. One would hardly call the city proper a mecca of tolerance and good will between the races, would they?
That's what bothered me about Hoffa, Jr's remarks the most (a close second was the impotent stupidity of them). IMO, he was giving desperate people a scapegoat and inciting to violence. Great. Detroit can't deal with more of that. Besides, who will bear the brunt of the frustrated rage? Other poor and desperate people. That will do the opposite of bringing manufacturing, or any new, jobs to the area. Not that they have reason to go there now, anyway.
Afraid? No. Just hate to see more damage done to people and the places where they are trying to live a life.
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Sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jan-19-11 04:45 PM
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21. True, I received the email also and would not have
characterized his words that way.
He is correct in pointing out that Rep. Giffords had expressed concerns about the rhetoric directed at Democrats by Palin et al and as a result of imagery, such as the 'crosshairs' map.
It's true that the shooter cannot be said to have been influenced by that particular map. But that doesn't excuse Palin at all.
And she is still attempting to defend the use of the vitriol that we KNOW instigated others to go after Democrats.
It is shameful that she cannot simply make a statement now saying that in light of the fact that so many Democrats, including Giffords, were threatened as a result of the climate of violence created by the right, that she will no longer engage in it. There are better ways to get your message across.
They just can't do that. They are bullies and authoritarians and they have for so long been taught to attack 'liberals' as the enemies of this country that they would be lost if they could not continue to do so.
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jan-19-11 05:08 PM
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26. Without demonizing/violent rhetoric, they have nothing.
Their ideas are bad. They only way they can sell them is by convincing people that Democrats are evil, so evil that they are worth killing.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jan-19-11 04:41 PM
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15. Giffords' previous statements on the issue...
Remind me very much of Nicole Brown Simpson's journals and photos showing the spousal abuse she endured. She said if she turned up dead, OJ did it. Giffords clearly felt stalked... and this guy attended more than this one event.
As Queen of the TeaBaggers, Palin's mouth utters vile crap that incites. There's no question about that, none at all.
That said, we really don't know one way or the other... we don't know what was in that guy's head. No one does.
THAT said, I don't blame Grayson for trying to use this as an example. The violent speak crap needs to stop.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-11-11 10:34 AM
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41. M$M now using rushed polls to validate their own whitewashing..
..for allowing the vitriole to have reached such a fever pitch...They coddled the teabagging nutters through the entire election cycle, never ONCE chiding the Angles or Palin's to tone it down..and now that the chickens have come home to roost so tragically they are falling all over themselves to cover up their enabling culpability...
You want to know the root of the problem in this country? It's the ****ing media.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-11-11 10:53 AM
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44. "You want to know the root of the problem in this country? It's the ****ing media.
Edited on Tue Jan-11-11 11:27 AM by bdamomma
I agree they have been stoking the fires for a very long time, and there are alot of unstable people out there who believe what they say.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-11-11 11:34 AM
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49. don't think it's the point. The point is you the sane person should be reflective
What liberals are saying isn't this guy heard this stuff and that's why he did it. They are saying look what happened. Look at the language being used in political rhetoric. Shouldn't we examine ourselves and ask were we doing the right thing. Creating an atmosphere in which violence seems to be ok within the political sphere is something pundits and politicians can control, crazy people is much harder. (although they could improve mental health care in this country or gun control, but that's a side issue)
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-11-11 11:36 AM
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50. Maybe they are not directly implicated...
..but obviously this man had a grudge against Giffords for reasons we don't know yet. It could be nothing more than the fact that he was angry because her letter to him misspelled his name. Or maybe the right-wing crap he heard has been richocheting around in his head for a long time and finally reached critical mass on Saturday.
Such is the mystery of mental illness.
Only "right-wing" words incite violence...the left wing is never to blame. ::)
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This primitive is the blind squirrel finding the nut:
bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-11-11 10:53 AM
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44. "You want to know the root of the problem in this country? It's the ****ing media.
Edited on Tue Jan-11-11 11:27 AM by bdamomma
I agree they have been stoking the fires for a very long time, and there are alot of unstable people out there who believe what they say.
Right conclusion, wrong reasons (the media is leftist, DUmb****). Blind squirrel, meet white oak acorn.
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villager (1000+ posts) Tue Sep-06-11 12:17 PM
Original message
They're going after Hoffa's remarks because they're terrified of people fighting back
There are more of us than them.
They keep saying the tea party is made up of old white men? How scary is that?
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Only "right-wing" words incite violence...the left wing is never to blame.
Or
Only "right-wing" words incite left-wing violence and the left is never blamed.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Sep-06-11 12:29 PM
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2. Yup, they are 'fried of the fight
I have the feeling we are very near the crossing of that point. Wisconsin showed them that people will fight back as well. The fight on SB5 is the same thing. THose are still peaceful. What really scares them is that people will conclude that there is little more than pikes... that truly scares them.
We are going to get there at the pace we are going.
Yeah and how did that whole Wisconsin thing work for you guys? About as well as "hope & change"
Cindie
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They keep saying the tea party is made up of old white men? How scary is that?
Well.....I may be an "old white man", however, I'm perfectly capable of turning a "progressive's" skull into a pink mist at 600 meters.......they'd be wise to be scared........
Fortunately, these keyboard kommandos are "all hat and no cattle", as the Texans like to say.......
doc
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villager (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Sep-06-11 12:17 PM
Original message
They're going after Hoffa's remarks because they're terrified of people fighting back
There are more of us than them.
Villager, there's an idiot missing from your hometown. You are as ****ed up as a soup sandwich, and wrong about just about everything in your moronic post.
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villager (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Sep-06-11 12:17 PM
Original message
They're going after Hoffa's remarks because they're terrified of people fighting back
Edited on Tue Sep-06-11 12:21 PM by villager
There are more of us than them.
The ruling elites' biggest fear is that we realize that, and act accordingly.
Hence their media wind-up dolls dutifully disparaging Hoffa's remarks -- part of a pattern, you'll note, having to do with any "remarks," like Alan Grayson's, etc., that might stir people up, get them to "see," bind them in collective action against their fiduciary masters, et al.
It's no accident. Because what if somebody else picks up on Hoffa's remarks, and what if that kind of anti-GOP rhetoric becomes commonplace, in spite of their ownership of the airwaves?
Could be a kind of trouble they hadn't anticipated. And they don't like that.
When is sitting on your anus and computering "act accordingly"?
But anyways, to answer your question, ask President X about civil discourse concerning Gifford's incident.
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Well.....I may be an "old white man", however, I'm perfectly capable of turning a "progressive's" skull into a pink mist at 600 meters.......they'd be wise to be scared........
Fortunately, these keyboard kommandos are "all hat and no cattle", as the Texans like to say.......
doc
BINGO!!
It's not just the fact that we have the weapons. It is the fact that we have the training and experience in using the weapons.
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Yeah and how did that whole Wisconsin thing work for you guys?
Many of us have been asking nadin that question, but thus far we haven't gotten an answer.
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Many of us have been asking nadin that question, but thus far we haven't gotten an answer.
Saving it for her book, no doubt.