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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on September 03, 2011, 10:42:19 PM
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Oh my.
Wherever "Poway"'s at; I never heard of it.
The closest I've ever heard of "Poway" was the famous Norfolk & Western Railway passenger train, the Powhatan Arrow, but I don't think that's close enough.
nadin needs to learn to become more geographic-specific; San Diego's not the whole world, and everybody in the whole world doesn't know about San Diego.
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Sat Sep-03-11 11:08 PM
Original message
"Unions are Evil..." Outside of local target in Poway...
They are trying to gather signatures to get rid of the pension system for the police and fire in this city.
On the way out... me... "UNIONS ARE SO EVIL that this is why you got an eight hour day and weekends."
Signature gatherer said nothing...
Fact is, he is getting paid 3-6 bucks a signature...
Fact is we have our own version of Walker here.
Fact is they need to be confronted... silence means you agree with them.
haele (1000+ posts) Sat Sep-03-11 11:29 PM
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1. I've been seeing them off and on for the past couple months -
I told one flat out - Forcing new employees to participate in a 401K was the deal breaker for the whole petition for me.
Re-negotiating a bad pension plan set up to be a sweetheart deal so the union leaders would support a "business friendly" mayor and city council who was intent on screwing the taxpayers and the city workers anyway would be far more fair than forcing new city employees to have to depend on Social Security when they retire because what would be in the average 401K when they retired would be about 1/4 of what would be in a normal, fair pension plan.
"OOOh, lookie - the newly retired Head Librarian of the city (who came from the private sector as a high ranking consultant ten years prior to begin with) is making $120K a year on her pension...how unfair" ...Even though 80% of the library workers - who have been working for the City for over 30 years - might be eligible for $15 - $25K a year on their pensions, and be lucky to be allowed to participate in some of the HMO plan as part of their retirement medical supplemental plans...
Put the new city workers on a managed 401K set up - and cut their wages some more, and they'd be lucky to have basically what they put into the program when they get ready to pull it out - mainly because the average worker does not make enough and is not a financial guru who actively "manages" their pay and retirement so they can regularly put up to 20% of their salary in their retirement (like my department head making into six figures can), and will probably have to have borrowed from their 401K if they have a family emergency or a run of bad luck just to keep afloat. Most people I know think of their 401Ks and Roth accounts emergency savings accounts, and when we were looking at home loans earlier this year, that was one of the first questions we were asked - do you have a 401K account and how much is in it?
What they did in the 90's was unwise and borderline illegal, but changing the system that radically will hurt the city in terms of quality of the workplace. It's bad enough that a city job is one of the few stable jobs in this city, but they're driving the workforce into a race to the bottom.
And if you take away the retirement benefits and the job stability, you're not going to keep any sort of quality workers at the wages they are being paid now.
Are we getting "quality workers" at the wages they're being paid now?
Anybody know?
Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Sat Sep-03-11 11:34 PM
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2. I sometimes wish we were evil.
Maybe we'd be scarier. Something you wouldn't want to mess with...
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Oh NOES!!! Not Poway!!! :overreaction:
:panic: :panic:
We are truely lost!!1!111 (to the tenth power)
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Could be like a po'boy, you know how well know-it-all nadin spells, but I think it's a suburb of San Diego.
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Oh NOES!!! Not Poway!!! :overreaction:
:panic: :panic:
We are truely lost!!1!111 (to the tenth power)
Well, damn it, I had to nadin it.
It's a town in southern California, population circa 48,000.
nadin's no good as a writer--a good writer writes so that the reader doesn't have to look things up.
For example, franksolich would never simply say "Ainsworth."
I'd say "Ainsworth, Nebraska, at the top of the Sandhills on the roof of Nebraska."
Then nobody has to go nadin Ainsworth.
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Small town in S. Cal, tells the union to shove it.
Mmmm, sounds about right.
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If they're paying a 120K pension to the head librarian of city of 50,000 who was only in the system 10 years, then they damned well need to fix something.
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Sat Sep-03-11 11:08 PM
Original message
"Unions are Evil..." Outside of local target in Poway...
They are trying to gather signatures to get rid of the pension system for the police and fire in this city.
On the way out... me... "UNIONS ARE SO EVIL that this is why you got an eight hour day and weekends."
Signature gatherer said nothing...
Fact is, he is getting paid 3-6 bucks a signature...
Fact is we have our own version of Walker here.
Fact is they need to be confronted... silence means you agree with them.
My post from yesterday in the say something nice thread:
Larry Kudlow's radio show this morning had David Malpass on as a guest, he went to a party last night and he said he was talking to a top Democrat and the Democrat told him changes are going to be mad at the NLRB because Democrats are furious about what happened with Boeing in South Carolina and how the Union acted.
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Democrats are furious about what happened with Boeing in South Carolina and how the Union acted.
A snake can't help being a snake, the NLRB is a Democrat creature.
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If they're paying a 120K pension to the head librarian of city of 50,000 who was only in the system 10 years, then they damned well need to fix something.
Why that's only about $2.50 per citizen, per year. That's cheap for a highly skilled libraian...and then you have to pay the next one to retire and then the one that doing the job now etc...soon you're talking real money....shoot'em all now.
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A snake can't help being a snake, the NLRB is a Democrat creature.
I'm sure the Democrat constituency has no problem with what happened in SC but I'm sure elected Democrats heard an earful from their normal constituents, they looked like fools.
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Sat Sep-03-11 11:08 PM
Original message
They are trying to gather signatures to get rid of the pension system for the police and fire in this city.
Signature gatherer said nothing...
Fact is, he is getting paid 3-6 bucks a signature...
Can you imagine what this guy could make if he had a union?
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How much did ACORN workers make for every signature?
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Can you imagine what this guy could make if he had a union?
A lot less, probably...unions hate piece rate payment vice wages, since piece rate rewards employees who work the hardest. Unions hate to see that happen.
:-)
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:rotf:
Sorry. I saw BannedFromDU's thread before this one. Now I am just cracking up. I am so sorry BFDU lives that closely to Nadin.
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:rotf:
Sorry. I saw BannedFromDU's thread before this one. Now I am just cracking up. I am so sorry BFDU lives that closely to Nadin.
I don't mind. It's paradise here. You have to deal with a few asps when you're in the garden of God.
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Sorry. I saw BannedFromDU's thread before this one. Now I am just cracking up. I am so sorry BFDU lives that closely to Nadin.
Hey, don't be sorry. Think how convenient it is for him if he ever has a question about something.
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Anyone who hasn't read the entire DU thread needs to check it out. Nadin is doing some serious bobbing and weaving with a poster named SlimJimmy. SlimJimmy, who I've never heard of, is taking it to her pretty good, but in true nadin fashion she just refuses to quit.
Here are some clips. Not so much of their fight but of her wonderful know-more-than-you attitude.
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-04-11 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. I truly do not blame people for not knowing that
We really do not do Labor history any more...
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-04-11 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #16
17. Yup... why I am writing this...
slowly, but surely... it is a pain to do all this... but it needs to be done. I will probably have it for free download and let the AFL-CIO into it as well
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-04-11 07:07 PM
Response to Reply #24
29. Yup them strikes and wild cat strikes
had none to do with the gains of labor. It was all the goody folks at corporate... you like Elite History, don't you?
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-04-11 08:19 PM
Response to Reply #75
80. WRONG, he made it on UNION PRESSURE
once this was done STRIKES stopped for a while... but thanks for playing.
JAYSUS...
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Anyone who hasn't read the entire DU thread needs to check it out. Nadin is doing some serious bobbing and weaving with a poster named SlimJimmy. SlimJimmy, who I've never heard of, is taking it to her pretty good, but in true nadin fashion she just refuses to quit.
Here are some clips. Not so much of their fight but of her wonderful know-more-than-you attitude.
Thanks for the tip on the nadin vs SlimJimmy dust up. Highly entertaining. My favorite exchange:
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-04-11 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #76
87. I gave you some BOOKS
Rayback History of American Labor is a good start.
The Armies of Labor is a good one too... you can find it in the GOOGLE... lost copyright a while ago.
Of course there are others, but hey... perhaps you could benefit from doing THAT.
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SlimJimmy (947 posts) Sun Sep-04-11 11:38 PM
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133. Yeah, I'll bet you know all about Google. (nt)
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-04-11 11:44 PM
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136. Well I did use the google
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 11:46 PM by nadinbrzezinski
to order one from Amazon since it is not available in e-form, and also the google to order the other for Nook. I prefer NOOK as a format.
I am actually looking into seeing if I can get my Journals of the American Historical Review in E-Form instead of paper... no, not being ecological... I just don't want the clutter any more. So yes, you could say I used the google... so be it.
Amazon has a lot of these books available, so you can go and find them that way... they also ship USPS, which is a union shop.
Oh and Armies of Labor I have it in both GOOGLE BOOKS and yes, NOOK... the copy originally came from Chicago.
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DUmmie nadinletters is writing a book on the history of labor? Likely it will be like many of her posts on DU, nothing but cut and paste from sources she agrees with.
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DUmmie nadinletters is writing a book on the history of labor? Likely it will be like many of her posts on DU, nothing but cut and paste from sources she agrees with.
It has to be. Every time know-it-all nadin strays even an inch from cut-and-paste, she gets things totally screwed up, e.g. "parenteral", but that's to be encouraged.
Her smothering condescension, combined with her crude, comical misuse of English result in some classic DUmp entertainment.
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Why does Nadin call Google 'the GOOGLE'? It's really annoying.
I'm going to go on the Twitter and see if she still has me blocked.
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Still blocked from Nadin's knowledge. How will she be able to re-tweet me? :bawl:
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How much did ACORN workers make for every signature?
Funny you should mention that. A few years back, ACORN was gathering signatures to put an initiative on the Santa Monica city ballot to ensure all workers got a "living wage", whatever the hell that meant, but probably upwards of $15/hour with bennies.
Well, strangely enough, ACORN goes to the CA state government and asks for an EXEMPTION TO MINIMUM WAGE LAWS because, as their reasoning went, the couldn't hire enough people to get the signatures they needed.
They don't even recognize their own hypocrisy.
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Still blocked from Nadin's knowledge. How will she be able to re-tweet me? :bawl:
Back in the day, I celebrated my 4 bannings from the DUmp. Now, if I go there, the urge to shower overwhelms me.
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Why does Nadin call Google 'the GOOGLE'? It's really annoying.
I think it has something to do with mexican. They use articles, el and la, I think, with nouns in mexican. Like, "el mulcho", or "la Home Depot parking lot". One hopes she is more fluent when speaking mexican.
But I have no idea why she always confuses "read" with "ready". You'd have to ask Ricky Ricardo.
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DUmmie nadinletters is writing a book on the history of labor? Likely it will be like many of her posts on DU, nothing but cut and paste from sources she agrees with.
Well, if she could write English in a literate way, and footnote her C&Ps, she could produce history every bit up to the standard of established modern academic historians then. She's got the judgmentalism nailed already.
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Well, damn it, I had to nadin it.
It's a town in southern California, population circa 48,000.
nadin's no good as a writer--a good writer writes so that the reader doesn't have to look things up.
For example, franksolich would never simply say "Ainsworth."
I'd say "Ainsworth, Nebraska, at the top of the Sandhills on the roof of Nebraska."
Then nobody has to go nadin Ainsworth.
Not required when posting at the DUmp. All DUmmies know everything.
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Not required when posting at the DUmp. All DUmmies know everything.
That drives me nuts.
The Massachusetts and Florida primitives are notorious for that, too, automatically assuming "well, everybody knows where this place is."
Talk about provincialism.
Myself, I'd ban my own self for being so discourteous if I dared identify a city in Nebraska (other than Omaha and Lincoln, which are commonly known), without noting it's a city in Nebraska. I'm not about to say "Callaway," because the city of Callaway (population circa 600) is not widely-known. I'll always be careful to say "Callaway, Nebraska," so the reader doesn't have nadin it.
When it comes to California, for example, only San Francisco, Sacramento, Los Angeles, and San Diego shouldn't need the ", California" tag, as the location of those cities is commonly known. All other places in California however need that geographic identification.
And as for Massachusetts, only Boston; there's for example a "Springfield" in just about every state in the union, all but one of them not in Massachusetts.
If anyone ever has to nadin something franksolich's written, then franksolich is a piss-poor writer.
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Myself, I'd ban my own self for being so discourteous if I dared identify a city in Nebraska (other than Omaha and Lincoln, which are commonly known), without noting it's a city in Nebraska.
I think Kearney may be better known than Lincoln. I've never sent money to Lincoln.
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I think Kearney may be better known than Lincoln. I've never sent money to Lincoln.
Well, I dunno. Kearney's like the fifth-largest (or so) city in Nebraska, with 20,000 (I'm not going to nadin it), and home of the University of Nebraska-Kearney Antelopes football team, but I really doubt readers of average sophistication would know Kearney without the ", Nebraska" appended at the end.
As for your state, Memphis, Nashville, Knoxville, and Chattanooga are probably the only places that need no further identification; all others should have the ", Tennessee" to identify them.
Again, if anyone ever has to nadin something franksolich's written, then I'll feel compelled to resign my membership here and hanging my head like a beaten dog with the tail between the legs, join the primitives on Skins's island.
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Well, I dunno. Kearney's like the fifth-largest (or so) city in Nebraska, with 20,000 (I'm not going to nadin it), and home of the University of Nebraska-Kearney Antelopes football team, but I really doubt readers of average sophistication would know Kearney without the ", Nebraska" appended at the end.
But Kearney has Cabela's. Along with the Cornhuskers and Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom, they're Nebraska's face to the world.
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That drives me nuts.
The Massachusetts and Florida primitives are notorious for that, too, automatically assuming "well, everybody knows where this place is."
Talk about provincialism.
Myself, I'd ban my own self for being so discourteous if I dared identify a city in Nebraska (other than Omaha and Lincoln, which are commonly known), without noting it's a city in Nebraska. I'm not about to say "Callaway," because the city of Callaway (population circa 600) is not widely-known. I'll always be careful to say "Callaway, Nebraska," so the reader doesn't have nadin it.
When it comes to California, for example, only San Francisco, Sacramento, Los Angeles, and San Diego shouldn't need the ", California" tag, as the location of those cities is commonly known. All other places in California however need that geographic identification.
And as for Massachusetts, only Boston; there's for example a "Springfield" in just about every state in the union, all but one of them not in Massachusetts.
If anyone ever has to nadin something franksolich's written, then franksolich is a piss-poor writer.
I agree completely. It's just like in Georgia. If I were going to Atlanta I would have no problem just saying, "I'm going to Atlanta." Even Savannah and possibly even Macon I'd leave the "Georgia" out. The other places I'd be sure to include "Georgia" in the sentence.
For instance, if I were to say "I'm going to Climax" and left the "Georgia" out of the statement, it's apt to take on a whole new meaning.
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But Kearney has Cabela's. Along with the Cornhuskers and Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom, they're Nebraska's face to the world.
Actually, Cabela's--the first and major Cabela's--is in Sidney, way over on the western end of the state. The one in Kearney's just another branch location.
Sidney's like the twelfth-largest town in Nebraska, maybe circa 6,000, and of course Cabela's gives them prominence, but I wouldn't dare just write "Sidney;" I'd write "Sidney, Nebraska."
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I agree completely. It's just like in Georgia. If I were going to Atlanta I would have no problem just saying, "I'm going to Atlanta." Even Savannah and possibly even Macon I'd leave the "Georgia" out. The other places I'd be sure to include "Georgia" in the sentence.
For instance, if I were to say "I'm going to Climax" and left the "Georgia" out of the statement, it's apt to take on a whole new meaning.
Or Nahunta :-)
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Or Nahunta :-)
Sounds like you know Georgia.
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I agree completely. It's just like in Georgia. If I were going to Atlanta I would have no problem just saying, "I'm going to Atlanta." Even Savannah and possibly even Macon I'd leave the "Georgia" out. The other places I'd be sure to include "Georgia" in the sentence.
For instance, if I were to say "I'm going to Climax" and left the "Georgia" out of the statement, it's apt to take on a whole new meaning.
Reminds me of a post one of my moles did at the DUmp in 2007. Not to worry, he got the TS for something else a little later. Only had about 2500 posts too, the good die young.
Fertile Climax linky (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1669678&mesg_id=1669814)
ben_meyers (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-26-07 09:45 PM
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15. Fertile Woman Dies in Climax
The town of Fertile, population 853, sits about 19 miles southeast of Crookston on state highway 32; Climax, with 273 listed residents, sits to the west of there on US 75, some thirty miles away. An elderly lady from the former small town expired in the latter, leading to an obituary caption in the paper that read, in bold letters: "Fertile Woman Dies in Climax." Probably the longest-lived journalistic gaffe in the entire state, and one that must have brought at least mortification to its author. You'd hope so anyway.
http://www.publicradio.org/columns/prairiehome/russ/200...
I see the link no longer works, but the story is true.
I forget why I got the granite, I may have dissed the UN or something
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Sounds like you know Georgia.
Yeppers
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Yeppers
Well, I dunno about "Macon," without the identifying state.
Atlanta and Savannah could stand on their own.
Maybe Millidgeville too, given that it's such an unusual name, and surely there's no Millidgeville other than in Georgia.
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Well, I dunno about "Macon," without the identifying state.
Atlanta and Savannah could stand on their own.
Maybe Millidgeville too, given that it's such an unusual name, and surely there's no Millidgeville other than in Georgia.
If Nadin lived in Georgia, she'd live in Millidgeville for sure. That's where the state mental hospital is located.
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Well, I dunno about "Macon," without the identifying state.
Atlanta and Savannah could stand on their own.
Maybe Millidgeville too, given that it's such an unusual name, and surely there's no Millidgeville other than in Georgia.
Millidgeville, New Brunswick. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millidgeville,_New_Brunswick) :whistling:
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Yeppers
At one time or the other I've been through Hortense, Hoboken and Browntown. I think those are all in the same county with Nahunta.
Which, considering the politically correct state of things these days, they may have forced Browntown to change its name.
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Actually, Cabela's--the first and major Cabela's--is in Sidney, way over on the western end of the state. The one in Kearney's just another branch location.
Sidney's like the twelfth-largest town in Nebraska, maybe circa 6,000, and of course Cabela's gives them prominence, but I wouldn't dare just write "Sidney;" I'd write "Sidney, Nebraska."
Only if they count the tourists. :whatever:
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At one time or the other I've been through Hortense, Hoboken and Browntown. I think those are all in the same county with Nahunta.
Which, considering the politically correct state of things these days, they may have forced Browntown to change its name.
Sorta like the way they had to change the name of the Virgin Islands after I went there.
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Sorta like the way they had to change the name of the Virgin Islands after I went there.
:lmao:
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I agree completely. It's just like in Georgia. If I were going to Atlanta I would have no problem just saying, "I'm going to Atlanta." Even Savannah and possibly even Macon I'd leave the "Georgia" out. The other places I'd be sure to include "Georgia" in the sentence.
For instance, if I were to say "I'm going to Climax" and left the "Georgia" out of the statement, it's apt to take on a whole new meaning.
Plus the fact there's a Climax, Colorado. Not to mention the obvious double entendre.
Then again, there's a town in Colorado called Beaver. Three guesses what they call the liquor store there.
One thing I've done--the further away I get from a place, the more generic I have to be when people ask me where I'm from.
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Becoming a government worker should not make you a millionaire. We just can't afford it.
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Then again, there's a town in Colorado called Beaver. Three guesses what they call the liquor store there.
Sounds a bit like the liquor store in Eaton, Indiana
(http://hphotos-sjc1.fbcdn.net/253947_228159353876122_100000461762211_993756_7217045_n.jpg)
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Well, if we're going there;
(http://www.halfway-inn.com/big_dicks001002.jpg)
http://www.halfway-inn.com/
KC