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Obama’s newest jobs plan for the unemployed: Go work for free! Updated at 1:16 PM
Edited on Fri Sep-02-11 02:10 PM by Better Believe It
How Not to Solve the Jobs Problem
By Robert Kuttner
August 30, 2011
There is a lot of circumstantial evidence that President Obama is planning to include in his eagerly anticipated post-Labor Day jobs speech a variation on a truly lame state program called Georgia Works. The program, begun in 2003, pays people on unemployment insurance a small additional stipend, currently $240, if they agree to work 24 hours a week, for no wages, for a private employer while unemployed, in exchange for some form of training by the employer.
President Obama: “We’ve got to rethink how we do unemployment insurance. There is a smart program in Georgia. What they do is they say, all right, instead of you just getting unemployment insurance, just a check, what we’re going to do is we will give a subsidy to any company that hires you with your unemployment insurance so that you’re essentially earning a salary and getting your foot in the door into that company. And if they hire you full-time, then the unemployment insurance is used to subsidize you getting trained and getting a job.â€
But that’s not how the program works at all. Basically, the company gets free labor while the person is receiving unemployment insurance. If the company does hire the person, there is no ongoing wage subsidy or training subsidy.
Obama is fearful that Republicans may block the next extension of unemployment insurance, and this Republican-style embellishment might be part of a bipartisan deal.
Read the full article at:
http://blog.prospect.org/robert_kuttner/2011/08/how-not...
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House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) said he believes there are some areas where his conference can work with Obama on policies to help get people back to work. In a statement, he said he agreed with Obama's suggestion earlier this week that states should get more control over infrastructure projects. Cantor also mentioned reforms to the unemployment system as an area where there might be some compromise.
http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/801-economy/17931...
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Feeble President, Feeble Plans
Obama’s jobs plan: Go work for free!
by Robert Kuttner
September 2, 2011
On Wednesday, I posted an item titled “How Not to Solve the Jobs Problem.†The case in point is President Barack Obama’s embrace of a state program called Georgia Works, which tries to turn unemployment insurance into a kind of sing-for-your-supper “workfare†program.
Jobless workers in Georgia drawing unemployment compensation are encouraged to go work for private employers—for free—in exchange for some kind of training. They get a small onetime stipend of $240 as an inducement. The premise is that working for free will help them get a foot in the door and maybe get hired (if the employer hires). According to Georgia’s own statistics, however, only about 15 percent do.
But let’s drill deeper. Why is the administration embracing such a right-wing and futile program? Obviously, the problem in Georgia is the unemployment rate, of 10.1 percent, not the fact that unemployed workers lack a few weeks’ training for low-wage jobs.
.... sources close to the White House say the president and his political advisers are terrified that the Republicans will block an extension of unemployment insurance, except in exchange for draconian cuts in other social programs. They hope that if they extend this feeble olive branch, Republicans might go along. My sources, however, say no such deal with the Republicans has been struck.
Read the full article at:
http://prospect.org/cs/articles?article=feeble_presiden...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1863174
Not the worst idea I've ever heard, if you collect unemployment you go work 24 hours a week possibly learning a new skill, and potential employers will see that you aren't afraid to work, hell you may even impress the people yo go work for enough for them to offer you a job.
Naturally the DUmmies hate it.
Click the link and watch the racist DUmmies bash 0bama. :-)
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No idea why they think people shouldn't work for their benefits if they're capable of doing it.
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No idea why they think people shouldn't work for their benefits if they're capable of doing it.
Because the stuff that the goubmint's supposed to provide to the DUmb****s is supposed to be FRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!1!!!1111!!!!!
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The biggest reason why it won't work. :lmao:
Taverner (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-31-11 11:24 PM
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Should I feel bad if I don't want to "be the best" at what I do?
Should I feel like some kind of talentless slacker because I just want do do what I do, but don't give a rat's ass if I'm the best at it, but just enjoying it.
Is that so wrong?
http://www.democraticunde...l&address=105x9771647
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Taverner should look on the bright side. He might not be the best at what he does (aka being a DUmbass), but he is very, very good at it.
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Isn't working for free (ie. being a slave to the state) the end result of the DUmmies prime philosophy?
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Isn't working for free (ie. being a slave to the state) the end result of the DUmmies prime philosophy?
Can you really call yourself a slave if your goal is to not do any work?
I think 'human sponge' is more like it.
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Can you really call yourself a slave if your goal is to not do any work?
I think 'human sponge' is more like it.
That's true but in the society the DUmmies want, if one isn't useful to the State then that person has no purpose and the State has no obligation to support them and may even be duty bound to remove them. That is DUmmie compassion. But due to the limitations of the DUmmie intellect, few of them realize it.
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If the maxim 'From each according to his ability, to each according to his need' were applied to DU, everyone would starve while drowning in a sea of bad poetry, shitty clay sculptures, and old-lady folk art.
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If the maxim 'From each according to his ability, to each according to his need' were applied to DU, everyone would starve while drowning in a sea of bad poetry, shitty clay sculptures, and old-lady folk art.
:rofl: ^5
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It doesn't sound bad on paper. It gets a person out of the house, keeps their work habits up, give them some thing to do and a feeling of self worth, and adds to a resume. They still have time for other training and job searching. There has to be a downside but so far it beats having a person sit around for a year and half playing video games while getting a check.
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It doesn't sound bad on paper. It gets a person out of the house, keeps their work habits up, give them some thing to do and a feeling of self worth, and adds to a resume. They still have time for other training and job searching. There has to be a downside but so far it beats having a person sit around for a year and half playing video games while getting a check.
I have a feeling this is what Obama means when he talks about these shovel-ready jobs and 'investing in our infrastructure'. Out of work? Get busy building roads. Can't wait to see a bunch of out-of-work office workers dropping like flies after an hour of filling potholes.
Hail, Comrade Obama!
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I have a feeling this is what Obama means when he talks about these shovel-ready jobs and 'investing in our infrastructure'. Out of work? Get busy building roads. Can't wait to see a bunch of out-of-work office workers dropping like flies after an hour of filling potholes.
Hail, Comrade Obama!
Ah yes. I didn't account for that. Well you know what they say, Work Will Set You Free....wait....Never post while drinking Old Crow. :whistling:
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:lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf:
I just high 5'd everyone on this thread. Ain't it all so true.
Here's a fine portrait of the OP Dummie, busy little worker bee that he is.
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRw-W3kdX6FGRW8AXej48XfKApidTo0nDAgmm-hI9p-tVWN5B9SEA)
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I have a feeling this is what Obama means when he talks about these shovel-ready jobs and 'investing in our infrastructure'. Out of work? Get busy building roads. Can't wait to see a bunch of out-of-work office workers dropping like flies after an hour of filling potholes.
Hail, Comrade Obama!
Can you see nadin trying to run a grader, looking up the directions on Google?
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Perhaps if the President would have said "hoe ready, jobs", several DUmpmonkey females would sign up..
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IIRC Hitler had the same plan but only with hand tools. Pretty sure that Stalin and Mao had similar concepts but were more successful in killing the workers.
Not to be nitpicking but if you get $240 for 24 hours work that looks like $10/hour and not free. Doesn't work with the meme the DUches are cooking up though.
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IIRC Hitler had the same plan but only with hand tools. Pretty sure that Stalin and Mao had similar concepts but were more successful in killing the workers.
Not to be nitpicking but if you get $240 for 24 hours work that looks like $10/hour and not free. Doesn't work with the meme the DUches are cooking up though.
To them working for welfare is slavery. Not being given what they think they they deserve, when they want it is slavery.
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IIRC Hitler had the same plan but only with hand tools. Pretty sure that Stalin and Mao had similar concepts but were more successful in killing the workers.
Not to be nitpicking but if you get $240 for 24 hours work that looks like $10/hour and not free. Doesn't work with the meme the DUches are cooking up though.
Yeah, I was wondering how they saw that as free too. It never said they lose their other benefits either so essentially for 24 hours of work, let's say that person is already getting 300 a week in benefits they actually are earning 22.50 an hour for the entire 'check' they get including the stipend. Many people would probably be doing BETTER then they would getting a real job. That's probably the downside I see is the extra stipend included with it since it will probably be difficult to go out and find a comparable job and dummies could get used to it--I doubt the employer who wants there would be able to match that pay either so I think it potentially would put people right back at square 1. How about work for the benefits you currently get plus any needed childcare and you'll be placed within a few miles of your home so gas is not an issue and your extra payment is the skills that you learn from that place.
All that said, what's going on now is not an issue of training. Obamacare and other useless policies meant to punish the productive in favor of teh unproductive and all of the worry over how this is going to affect a business is what is stalling things out. I agree with what was said in another thread, you scrap Obamacare alone and I think the economy would start back into a pattern of growth. That big, expensive monolith waiting in the not so distant future is creating a climate of worry in business.