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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Ralph Wiggum on August 30, 2011, 02:56:35 PM
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-30-11 02:58 PM
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Massive government spending is all I want to hear about (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1845507)
Call it by some catchy name.
Call it a "program"
Whatever.
Just so it puts people to work and puts them to work now.
Here's a few suggestions for the federal shopping list:
High Speed Rail systems in at least three populous regions of the country. Not just test systems, but actual systems that actually move a lot of actual people.
Alternative Energy on a massive scale. Wind, solar, geothermal, tidal, etc. No clean coal. No nukes. No hydro. Build many smaller projects in many areas so that power generation is close to the users - maybe even on rooftops.
Infrastructure repair in big cities, where they've been crumbling.
Vertical urban farms in high rise buildings.
Urban reclamation, wherein our abandoned housing stock is condemned then either repaired or replaced. Sell the finished product at affordable prices to viable, qualified buyers with public financing. (Think of Baltimore's "Dollar House" program of the 1970s. Say what you will, but it paid off.)(Think of the areas of Detroit that are crumbling.)
Condemn unused factory buildings and offer them on a fit-out-to-suit basis to manufacturers who would bring back overseas jobs. Start manufacturing shit within 12 months or pay a fine. Start manufacturing shit within 12 months and get a tax break (that has an end date, thanks).
Etc.
Notice my emphasis on urban spending. I think urban America has the greatest need and can see the greatest benefit. Sure, we can do the same sort of things in smaller towns and cities and I endorse thet. But we need to start in our cities where the bucks give us the biggest bang.
This is all I want to hear in Oabama's speech.
If I hear some at-the-edges minor shit, I will not be happy.
The word I want to hear from the media the day after is "Massive."
Urban spending, DUDE? Why build things that people don't want? Massive rail systems that people won't use? Vertical urban farms?
If these things created jobs and made money, then corporations would have done them a LONG time ago.
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Hey, duuuuuude, do you think he gives a flying **** if you, the cat-box warrior, are happy with his proposal? :stoner:
He doesn't! :tongue: :lol:
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Just so it puts people to work and puts them to work now.
Does Stinky plan on being one of THEM? I don't think so, if he did he would have said, "puts US to work now".
Stinky must plan on being a leech on society no matter what the unemployment rate is.
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Generate some shovel ready jobs....shoot the stupid DUmmies. :-)
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Yep that's the problem we just haven't spent enough. Let's go out and ram that deficit and debt way up, maybe after we get a triple F credit rating the dems might start paying attention, or they will just blame Bush and spend more. :banghead: :banghead:
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Alternative Energy on a massive scale. Wind, solar, geothermal, tidal, etc. No clean coal. No nukes. No hydro. Build many smaller projects in many areas so that power generation is close to the users - maybe even on rooftops.
He's not to good at math, is he, lol. Spend all that money and resources to provide barely enough power to run a handful of Wal Mart stores.
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He's not to good at math, is he, lol. Spend all that money and resources to provide barely enough power to run a handful of Wal Mart stores.
Exactly, then he forgets just where are we going to plug in our mandatory Chevy Volts to charge them up at?
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High Speed Rail systems..
Populations shift. Train tracks don't.
And why have high-speed rail if the overwhelming majority of people live in the city in which they work?
Alternative Energy on a massive scale...
If it was worthwhile the money-grubbing capitalists would have been all over it like it was a naked cheerleader sandwhich.
Infrastructure repair in big cities, where they've been crumbling.
Why fix Detroit? It's dying; not because the infrastructure is in poor repair but the infrastructure is in poor repair because the city is dying. Don't burn money.
Vertical urban farms in high rise buildings.
All well and good until the EPA starts demanding environmental impact statements from the tenants on how their farms will effect the lives and migrating habits of cockroaches.
Urban reclamation, wherein our abandoned housing stock is condemned then either repaired or replaced.
So, take a house that Person A already paid to have built that Person B defaulted on the loan. Tear down that house and build another one for even more money and give it to a consumer market that is in even worse shape then when Person A first sold to Person B.
THINK McFLY, THINK!
Condemn unused factory buildings and offer them on a fit-out-to-suit basis to manufacturers who would bring back overseas jobs.
To build what for whom at how much for what price?
****ing, retard.
Notice my emphasis on urban spending. I think urban America has the greatest need and can see the greatest benefit.
Los Angeles
Detroit
San Francesspool
New York
Chicago
etc.
It's odd how these urban hell-holes are also democrat leaning. I guess by "greatest need" he admits "most ****ed-up" and by "greatest benefit" he means "democrats can get the most votes."
But we need to start in our cities where the bucks give us the biggest bang.
What? You're looking for a Return-On-Investment?
That's just so...capitalist. Too bad you won't let real capitalist do that.
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Oh my, the stupidity:
provis99 (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-30-11 04:14 PM
Response to Original message
3. I'm not even that picky.
I want more government spending, even it it's just a big ****ing thing. Doesn't matter what it is, or what it does, as long as it's big, and it's a ****ing thing.
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Think of Baltimore's "Dollar House" program of the 1970s. Say what you will, but it paid off.
Oh sure. Baltimore is a shining example of urban renewal!
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_dKok25glEy0/SfH-9uFnE7I/AAAAAAAAEhE/0fEu4ZtXUHc/s320/the-hood.jpg)
(http://steinershow.org/files/u1/16houses.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1lJ4F7HPPXI/SLDJagHju3I/AAAAAAAAB9M/EHQRY4Ei7l8/s400/baltimore+021.jpg)
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So if we go with the vertical urban farms what floors do the pigs, cows & chickens live on?
Cindie
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Oh my, the stupidity:
That is stupid, however I think I understand the thinking. I shall explain, it's like being a child, children think that their parents have a ton of money, so when they ask for that new toy, they can't comprehend that their folks can't afford it. Since the primitives are developmentally childlike, they view government the same way, as having unlimited funds.
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-30-11 04:14 PM
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3. I'm not even that picky.
I want more government spending, even it it's just a big ****ing thing. Doesn't matter what it is, or what it does, as long as it's big, and it's a ****ing thing.
Military Industrial Complex to the white courtesy phone.
So if we go with the vertical urban farms what floors do the pigs, cows & chickens live on?
Cindie
The one above Dude's
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Looks like the fall harvest is in early and some very powerful stuff.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ2C4Xtolsg[/youtube]
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husb2sparkly
High Speed Rail systems in at least three populous regions of the country. Not just test systems, but actual systems that actually move a lot of actual people.
"People" is not the issue, dimwit. What you want to move is product from one place to another.
This is a fine example to demonstrate to the primitive's that Dear Leader was never really interested in creating jobs. If this country wanted to do something where the gov't could help coordinate a program between private industries, it would have been upgrading our rail system to handle high speed rail. See, I've got no problem with that. You would have around 12 main hubs consisting mainly of big cities along the coastlines, where the high speed rail would transport the largest amount of product between those hubs. And from each of those 12 main hubs, you would have maybe 8 to 10 smaller hubs they serviced. From those smaller hubs, goods could be off-loaded onto trucks and taken to their final destination. The gov't could have helped coordinate the retooling of former factories in order to build the new rails, engines, and transport cars. We already have the rail system in place in the USA (the land is already purchased, easments are in place, etc...), it just needs to be modernized and we would be the transportation envy of the world. Something like that is very much a Republican type of idea. But did Dear Leader do this or even suggest it? No, he didn't even suggest the liberal/Democrat version of high speed rail. Wake up primitives; you're even bigger idiots than the average person can imagine.
You see, as Republicans we have no problem with gov't when it's used properly. Something as massive an undertaking as coast-to-coast high speed rail needs some cooridinating body to work out the details, and then you turn it over to private industry and let fly. Democrats are too stupid to understand this.
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Where does the Government get the money from?
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Where does the Government get the money from?
With some carefully crafted class warfare talking points, the democrats can claim it comes from evil corporations and the top 1%, but in the end, the top 1% will still get theirs, and will just employ less people, move jobs to China, etc.
Short answer: middle class.
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I put this through my asshole DUchebag to civilized person translator and it came out:
I've cut this board four times and it is still too short.
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No hydro.
Wow, in one swell foop he negates the MOST renewable resource.
I wonder, is he actively working on DUmbass of the Year? On purpose?
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High Speed Rail systems in at least three populous regions of the country.
Another favorite moonbat moneypit is light rail.
I just read about a small light rail system that brings people into Nashville.
It was a huge success story, because ridership has increased, and they want more tax money to expand service.
Then the numbers: Annual operating budget: $4.3 million
Annual ticket sales: $700,000
And that's just the operating budget. The millions in capital investment came from taxpayers without a prayer of payback.
DUmmies love to talk about getting more big empty vehicles moving around town, with the only passenger being a union driver.
Outside the blue hellholes of the East Coast and Cook County, mass transit should be left to pay its own way, or disappear.
No one uses it.
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Then the numbers: Annual operating budget: $4.3 million
Annual ticket sales: $700,000
And these idiots decry Capitalism as "failed"?
Lurking DUmbasses, THAT is a perfect example of Big Gubmint run amok.
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He's not to good at math, is he, lol. Spend all that money and resources to provide barely enough power to run a handful of Wal Mart stores.
Most liberals in general, and DUmmies in particular, have a problem with math.
They can't seem to understand in order for the government to "spend" $1 in the private sector, it must first tax at least $4 (and usually $5-6) from the private sector.
Case: "Cash for Clunkers" cost the taxpayers $24,000 for every $4,500 check that was handed out.
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Another favorite moonbat moneypit is light rail.
I just read about a small light rail system that brings people into Nashville.
It was a huge success story, because ridership has increased, and they want more tax money to expand service.
Then the numbers: Annual operating budget: $4.3 million
Annual ticket sales: $700,000
And that's just the operating budget. The millions in capital investment came from taxpayers without a prayer of payback.
DUmmies love to talk about getting more big empty vehicles moving around town, with the only passenger being a union driver.
Outside the blue hellholes of the East Coast and Cook County, mass transit should be left to pay its own way, or disappear.
No one uses it.
There is a light rail system in Fremont kalifornia that had a cost benefit analysis done in 2005. Results that were just for one year's maintenance budget alone, no capital expenses, it would have been cheaper to buy each rider a Ferrari for them to commute in.
The thing I have noticed with liberals/statists/regressives, even engineers and there are some, is that the results of their experiments are 99% failures yet they think it is the experiment that is the failure and not the concept the experiment is concerning. It is never the theory, it is the results that are ALWAYS wrong.
That is a special kind of stupid but the normal distribution curve tells us that at least 50% of the population will be stupid. The DUmp is the four sigma of that side of the curve.
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DUde, let's fund it all with a punitive tax on evil urban landlords! What the Hell are they doing owning more places than they need to live, anyway?!?
:rotf:
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There is a light rail system in Fremont kalifornia that had a cost benefit analysis done in 2005. Results that were just for one year's maintenance budget alone, no capital expenses, it would have been cheaper to buy each rider a Ferrari for them to commute in.
The thing I have noticed with liberals/statists/regressives, even engineers and there are some, is that the results of their experiments are 99% failures yet they think it is the experiment that is the failure and not the concept the experiment is concerning. It is never the theory, it is the results that are ALWAYS wrong.
That is a special kind of stupid but the normal distribution curve tells us that at least 50% of the population will be stupid. The DUmp is the four sigma of that side of the curve.
Hard to argue with that logic. In fact you are "RIGHT ON". ^5
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DUmmie logic states that it's not the facts which matter, it's how they FEEEEEELLLLLLL....
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I put this through my asshole DUchebag to civilized person translator and it came out:
I've cut this board four times and it is still too short.
H5! :lol:
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Dude, green power? Wind and solar? No nukes?
Hook that up to your house on your dime and tell me how well it works. Kinda hard to run your hyroponic pot farm in the dark, asshole.
Ask the folks up in Maine how well all that wind power they ponied up for is working out for them so far...(hint: most of them have been shut down.)