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Current Events => Archives => Politics => Election 2012 => Topic started by: RealConservativePatriot on August 24, 2011, 09:45:36 PM
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Conservatives and republicans do have a choice. Here is the truth about Gov. Perry;
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXdhph3pwXk[/youtube]
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That sounds odd...I just read this the other day: (Even though I don't agree with all he states, looks pretty good to me)...
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/seven-ways-rick-perry-wants-change-constitution-131634517.html
Perry laid out these proposed innovations to the founding document in his book, Fed Up! Our Fight to Save America from Washington. He has occasionally mentioned them on the campaign trail. Several of his ideas fall within the realm of mainstream conservative thinking today, but, as you will see, there are also a few surprises.
1. Abolish lifetime tenure for federal judges by amending Article III, Section I of the Constitution.
Perry makes it no secret that he believes the judges on the bench over the past century have acted beyond their constitutional bounds. The problem, Perry reasons, is that members of the judiciary are "unaccountable" to the people, and their lifetime tenure gives them free license to act however they want. In his book, the governor speaks highly of plans to limit their tenure and offers proposals about how to accomplish it.
"'[W]e should take steps to restrict the unlimited power of the courts to rule over us with no accountability," he writes in Fed Up! "There are a number of ideas about how to do this . . . . One such reform would be to institute term limits on what are now lifetime appointments for federal judges, particularly those on the Supreme Court or the circuit courts, which have so much power. One proposal, for example, would have judges roll off every two years based on seniority."
2. Congress should have the power to override Supreme Court decisions with a two-thirds vote.
3. Scrap the federal income tax by repealing the Sixteenth Amendment.
4. End the direct election of senators by repealing the Seventeenth Amendment.
5. Require the federal government to balance its budget every year.
6. The federal Constitution should define marriage as between one man and one woman in all 50 states.
7. Abortion should be made illegal throughout the country.
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Proposals #2, 3, 4, and 5 sound at least somewhat workable.
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Proposals #2, 3, 4, and 5 sound at least somewhat workable.
I agree, although I'd like to see the judges "lifetime" seats lowered to a certain time limit; although I think that was proposed once already and that didn't work out. I think it would be a be acceptable because of the fact that some justices have held on to their appointments long after their mental faculties were diminished. Any change would require a Constitutional amendment. The chances of passing that amendment through Congress would be with a requisite 2/3 majorities and then getting 38 state legislatures to ratify. Good luck on that.
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Eliminating lifetime tenure for Federal judges is problematic, each party has made its own uses of this. The main purpose for it is to ensure judges can decide cases on the law alone, without worrying about how it will affect their fortunes in later life when their term expires, and the fact that 'being held accountable' is not the same thing as 'being held justly accountable' but often boils down to 'It's payback time for you doing what I didn't like, you SOB.' I would rather see a mandatory retirement age than a definite term on these officials.
2. Congress should have the power to override Supreme Court decisions with a two-thirds vote.
Sucky idea, especially given number 4. Basically makes interpretation of the Constitution a political issue rather than a legal one, which would certainly lead to some very bad unintended consequences if one party ever got a solid upper hand in Congress, as the Dems did for a very substantial part of the 20th Centruy. And anyway, Congress already has this power in effect, with the Amendment power, but there are additional checks and balances on them that prevent getting carried away like they could if it were entirely in their hands.
3. Scrap the federal income tax by repealing the Sixteenth Amendment.
OK with me, has to be replaced by some other revenue-generator though, whether it's a flat tax or VAT or something else entirely. I'd be happy with just changing the tax code to a flatter, broader, and simpler system, even if the Sixteenth stayed.
4. End the direct election of senators by repealing the Seventeenth Amendment.
Not necessarily a good idea. Both the pre-Amendment method and direct election have their pluses and minuses, direct election for instance is a true popular, ungerrymandered statewide vote so has some sound Populist principles. I'd rather see Constitutional term limits on both houses of Congress, such as three terms for a Senator and six for a Representative, which gives both a full career but doesn't allow for the them to become fossilized sphincters.
5. Require the federal government to balance its budget every year.
Good with that one, it would need a phase-in period to avoid fiscal chaos though.
6. The federal Constitution should define marriage as between one man and one woman in all 50 states.
Cool with me. If a State wants to have a 'Civil union' that is essentially a householding contract under their law, I don't have a problem with that, but it's a travesty of the language and a debasement of 10,000 years of human civilization to call it a "marriage."
7. Abortion should be made illegal throughout the country.
Probably not gonna happen, at least as a 100% ban.
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Conservatives and republicans do have a choice. Here is the truth about Gov. Perry;
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXdhph3pwXk[/youtube]
I have a feeling you don't like Perry.
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I have a feeling you don't like Perry.
Yup. Got us a real life Mittwit here.
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Yup. Got us a real life Mittwit here.
Even so, he's still got more functioning brain cells than 95% of the Ronbots that come rolling through. May not have much idea what to do with 'em, but at least he's got 'em.
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I would vote for Hillary right now just to get rid of that shithead in the WH
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I would vote for Hillary right now just to get rid of that shithead in the WH
You'd vote for THIS person?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/lowfreeboard/Politics/billary.jpg)
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You'd vote for THIS person?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/lowfreeboard/Politics/billary.jpg)
:lol: Great PS on that!
The more I hear about Perry, he's da man!
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I'm very dubious about doing anything to change the constitution. We need to get back to it, not change it. Most Americans have no idea what living in a Constitutional Republic feels like. Let's see if we can achieve that goal before we start tinkering.
Cindie
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You'd vote for THIS person?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/lowfreeboard/Politics/billary.jpg)
no this one
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/sadiesinner/forums/th_imagesqtbnANd9GcRxH9R9qsafbLWRXn7vbJHQRkkTWiQcrYY4ZkKucn6xgAvWdzn7TQ.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/sadiesinner/forums/imagesqtbnANd9GcRxH9R9qsafbLWRXn7vbJHQRkkTWiQcrYY4ZkKucn6xgAvWdzn7TQ.jpg)
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#2 is a HIDEOUS idea. Agree or disagree with some of the justices, there has to be someone guarding the Constitution. If you don't like a few, elect people that'll appoint justices that fall in line with your view of America. This is a Republic. #2 sounds an awful lot like the final nail in the coffin that seals us in as a Democracy, the 17th Amendment being one of the first.
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I am also against giving congress the ability to override the Supreme Court. If the regressives ever gained enough seats to be veto-proof and could undo SC rulings, we would become an oligarchy.
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I was firmly in the Run, Sarah, Run camp after 2008, but now I am firmly in the Anyone But Obama camp. I'll ride the (R) candidate like a dirty mule.
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1. Abolish lifetime tenure for federal judges by amending Article III, Section I of the Constitution. I could go for 20 year terms or something like that
2. Congress should have the power to override Supreme Court decisions with a two-thirds vote. I'm tempted to say I agree with that, however I fear that could be used against us
3. Scrap the federal income tax by repealing the Sixteenth Amendment. Amen to that
4. End the direct election of senators by repealing the Seventeenth Amendment. Not sure about that one
5. Require the federal government to balance its budget every year. Hell Yeah!
6. The federal Constitution should define marriage as between one man and one woman in all 50 states. I don't really like that, I think it should be up to the states
7. Abortion should be made illegal throughout the country. Yes to abortions as a form of birth control
The reality is even if Perry wins, the only one with a snowball's chance in hell, is the balanced budget, all the others are less than a snowball's chance in hell.
I'm at the point even if Ron Paul were to win the nomination, I will vote for him to get rid of Barry.
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I am also against giving congress the ability to override the Supreme Court. If the regressives ever gained enough seats to be veto-proof and could undo SC rulings, we would become an oligarchy.
No one should be able to override a Supreme Court decision. Period.
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No one should be able to override a Supreme Court decision. Period.
I disagree.
If the USSC declares something unconstitutional, then a Constitutional Amendment can be passed to override them. :tongue: