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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: zeitgeist on August 20, 2011, 07:11:03 PM
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-19-11 06:52 PM
Original message
It is time for Socialists to be Socialists
This is NOT an exhortation to join a third party, so mods, please back off and hear me out.
There are two descendants of the Socialist Party of old, the party that Eugene Debs helped build. Those are: The SP-USA, and the IWW (Industrial Workers of the World.)
One is a party, in the small 'p' sense of the word, and the other a union.
Chances are, you are an industrial worker. Your "machine" may be a computer, but you are probably an industrial worker - unless you are a farmer - and even then, I would call most modern farmers industrial workers as they are part of the farming industry.
If you are a Socialist in heart and mind, but are a proud, voting Democrat - I suggest you join both. They are both for what we espouse. An egalitarian system of work, and an egalitarian system of government. Unlike other organizations, who may have turned a blind eye to Stalin/Castro/Milosevic, these guys have ALWAYS been part of what was referred to as the "Anti-Stalinist Left." No authoritarianism, no fascism, no exploitation.
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ETA:
Hum, I posted this without finishing it. Darn, I hate when that happens.
Any how, there are plenty of post to peruse.
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The Democrats have shown their full-blown socialism since January 20th, 2009. Look where it got them. And yet they persist.
Good, good...
(http://jediknight960.tripod.com/palpatine5.jpg)
It is going as I have foreseen...
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-19-11 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Democratic Socialists are awesome
I always thought them an unofficial Socialist faction of the Democratic Party though - am I getting this wrong?
I'd love to see all three groups unite, and retake the Democratic Party
Umm, please encourage the Democratic Party to run ads saying just that!
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Umm, please encourage the Democratic Party to run ads saying just that!
Yer readin my mail BG. (My thought exactly). Say it loud, say it proud. The Progressive Socialist Democratix Party of America!
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Yer readin my mail BG. (My thought exactly). Say it loud, say it proud. The Progressive Socialist Democratix Party of America!
Ha! the Democratic Party runs the other way when you bring Socialism up and try to compare them, they get insulted, I say come out of the closet, be loud and proud, scream that the Democratic Party is Socialist, please!
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No authoritarianism, no fascism, no exploitation.
What a load of horseshit. Socialism by it's very nature can never be achieved without forcing a free person to give up something of himself whether his labors, freedom, or privacy(all most likely). The 'peaceful' crap is a load of horse dung used to sell the idea to dipshits like Taverner and other liberals who object to actually fighting someone for thier ideals, then the real socialists/communists take over. Taverner and people like him are just dispensable stepping stones for the authoritarians and fascists to get to the place they want to be. Idiots! Do you really think with the (lack of) brainpower on DU any of you would have any sort of lofty place among your masters? You'll be just where you are now, if not worse, with absolutely no way to get yourself to someplace different. You'll create the ultimate class system with about 95% of the people being on the bottom with no opportunity to ever escape their lot in life. NO thanks, I don't want to be as miserable as you and I'm going to make it doesn't happen by taking advantage of the opportunities afforded me.
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What a load of horseshit. Socialism by it's very nature can never be achieved without forcing a free person to give up something of himself whether his labors, freedom, or privacy(all most likely). The 'peaceful' crap is a load of horse dung used to sell the idea to dipshits like Taverner and other liberals who object to actually fighting someone for thier ideals, then the real socialists/communists take over. Taverner and people like him are just dispensable stepping stones for the authoritarians and fascists to get to the place they want to be. Idiots! Do you really think with the (lack of) brainpower on DU any of you would have any sort of lofty place among your masters? You'll be just where you are now, if not worse, with absolutely no way to get yourself to someplace different. You'll create the ultimate class system with about 95% of the people being on the bottom with no opportunity to ever escape their lot in life. NO thanks, I don't want to be as miserable as you and I'm going to make it doesn't happen by taking advantage of the opportunities afforded me.
My mother, God rest her soul, always use to talk about a 'dedicated ten percent' and useful idiots. She and I would frequently argue long into the night and, if my father is to be believed, even in our sleep.
I had youth an inexperience on my side fueled by all the misconceptions delivered up by BigEd, at both the secondary and post secondary level. It took me years before I was finally able to see through the elaborate maze of misinformation postulated by numerous left leaning professors. A favorite tactic is to obscure terms then minimize any opposition by saying they lack "knowledge or understanding" of what the particular 'ism' under discussion really is.
For example, "You don't know what Socialism really is." , " No, that is not what Communism is according to Trotsky." , "Mussolini was not a Fascist." "Hitler opposed Communism."
They always tell you what it isn't, never what it is.
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Chances are, you are an industrial worker.
To be an industrial worker one has to be a worker..."Industrial Layabouts of the World" and "Industrial Dole-collectors of the World" don't have the same ring to them.
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-19-11 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #3
7. And it was finished with the Second Red Scare and the black lists
yup
Taverner (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-19-11 07:23 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. Almost nobody behind those is alive today
So time to BUILD!!!!
I will fight you tooth and nail, and I am very much alive.
The thread devolves into a tiresome circle jerk of a handful of people trying to impress each other with what's on their bookshelves. Filthy commies.