The Conservative Cave
Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Freeper on August 17, 2011, 06:20:39 PM
-
RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Aug-17-11 06:58 PM
Original message
Man Arrested in ‘To Catch A Predator’ Sting Acquitted 5 Years Later
Five years after appearing in one of Dateline NBC’s “To Catch a Predator†stings, a 26-year-old California man has been acquitted of the charge against him.
After six days of testimony, a Judge threw out the case against Joseph Roisman and criticized the tactics used by Dateline’s partner, Perverted Justice for engaging in entrapment.
Roisman is the only one of 29 men prosecuted in the Northern California sting to beat the charges. His father had spent more than $100,000 on his defense. “They made my son’s life a living hell for five years,†says Roisman’s mother, who vowed to sue NBC.
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/man-arrested-in-to-...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1759889
Yeah his life is a living hell, never mind the fact that if there really was a 14 year old girl waiting for him at that house, he would have made her life a living hell. :banghead: :banghead:
Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-17-11 06:59 PM
Response to Original message
1. Good. Entrapment is a violation of the Constitution, whether you like it or not.
Because it applies to people who do things like, oh I dunno, buy pot...
:whatever:
frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-17-11 07:18 PM
Response to Original message
2. now sue their balls to the wall
Lock up your daughters when this guy around, is not a joke, and you cheer that he goes free.
-
ProudDad (or whatever his name is) will be by shortly to get first dibs on this guy, for his daughter.
-
white_wolf (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-17-11 07:28 PM
Response to Original message
4. Good. Entrapment should be illegal anyway.
Of course, I expect our justice department to get to that right after they deal with Wall street, and war criminals.
-
How is NBC responsible for his incarceration ?
I would imagine this DUde was tried in a court of law, and found guilty by a jury of his peers. 3rd parties bring evidence of 'wrongdoing' all the time - its up to the court to determine if it is valid. You primitives should know, you are always looking for things that are 'actionable'..
Now, if NBC MANUFACTURED the evidence - then there is cause to sue.
Anyway, people are taken down in stings all the time -- drugs, prostitution, sex, weapons, etc etc etc. The perp may still be found guilty for soliciting the illegal item, even though he/she never received it. If there is clear intent, and the court accepts the prosecutions case, then the guilty party pays the price.
-
Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-17-11 07:33 PM
Response to Original message
5. Hrm. Video and transcript is still online and he admitted several times he knew she was 13
and that he was there for a blow job.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15130487/ns/dateline_nbc/t/...
-snip-
As he starts taking off his clothes, he goes in search of the decoy ... instead he finds me.
Chris Hansen, Dateline correspondent (walks out): Keep your hands outta your pocket for me.
Roisman: Okay.
Hansen: Okay. Now why don’t you go sit down—over on the other side of the bar, please. Right on that stool. Can have a seat. Go ahead, you can put your shirt on or something. What was your plan?
Roisman: Just—I don’t know. Talk. Be friends.
Hansen: Talk. Be friends.
Roisman: As long as we’re friends, that’s fine. As long as I don’t—you know, cross that line.
Hansen: But you talked about having sex with her in the chat.
Roisman: We did discuss oral sex, but I...
Hansen: (reading from transcript) “I want to wrestle you so freakin’ bad.†“Wrestle me?†“I’d let you win just so I could feel you on top of
me.†“*it—I wanna see you so bad.â€
Roisman: Honest mistake.
Hansen: Honest mistake.
Roisman: This is my first time doing this.
Hansen: If she would’ve let you, you would a had sex with the girl?
Roisman: With her? No.
Hansen: Do you know that it’s illegal to solicit someone who’s underage, online for sex?
Roisman: Yes.
Hansen: But it seems as though that is what you did here. I mean, you could see how someone would draw that conclusion.
Roisman: Yes.
Hansen: Okay. So, what do you think should happen to you?
Roisman: I’m not sure.
Hansen: Well—there’s something you gotta know. And that is, I’m Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC, and we’re doing a story on adults who try to
meet teens online for sex.
Roisman: There’s nothing else for me to say.
Hansen: Okay.
Roisman: Thank you very much.
This man’s long journey is about to get even longer. As he leaves the backyard and enters the garage he’s arrested, then taken to this booking station, photographed and brought in for questioning.
Officer Wade: Did you know this girl was 13 when you first started talking to her?
Roisman: Yes.
Officer Wade: Did you guys talk about the possibility of her giving a blow job whenever you were talking to her on the Internet?
Roisman: I mentioned oral sex, yes.
Officer Wade: Which would lead a reasonable person to believe that that might have been in the back of your mind, thinking about—
Roisman: Oh yeah, it was definitely in the back of my mind.
Officer Wade: So what would have prevented that from happening if there hadn’t a been somewhere there to intervene?
Roisman: Self-control.
He tells the officer several times that he would not have done anything sexual with a 13-year-old but finally he admits...
Roisman: I would have liked a blow job, yes. Nothin’ more.
Oh well it was just a BJ not sex, so it must be ok. :banghead:
-
Mole trap!
-
Yeah his life is a living hell, never mind the fact that if there really was a 14 year old girl waiting for him at that house, he would have made her life a living hell. :banghead: :banghead:
I couldn't have it said it better myself Freeper. How true that is.
I wonder how DUmmies would react if it were their kid that was about to get raped by a pedophile? Would they have the same view then?
-
Damn. When I saw this thread title, I thought it would be DUmmy Raven reporting on her hopeless alcoholic son.
-
Damn. When I saw this thread title, I thought it would be DUmmy Raven reporting on her hopeless alcoholic son.
Unfortunately there are underage boys and girls that do go on the internet looking for excitement and a fantasy life. Few of these kids have an active social life, a boyfriend or girlfriend.
On the other hand there are young girls with the Lolita Syndrome that are looking for a father with benefits. Young boys that may believe they are Gay looking for an older man to confide in, learn how to deal with their parents and class mates that may make his life a living hell.
The only sensable thing I ever heard from a Muslim Cleric was a statement that when one throws a beef roast into the back yard and a dog eats it, whose fault is that????
We need to protect the children from their own folly and the only way to do that is to capture the dogs before they eat the roast.
These stings are designed to capture grown male dogs before they eat our children all up. Not all these men are true monsters, they take the bait and are stopped in their tracks.
Never know when the men will turn into real monsters and kill so as not to be found out.
So we have a family that has spent a hundred thousand dollars to protect their grown son from facing up to his missdeeds. The Court that found this man not guilty must be in denial and or incompetent.
Some one has to protect our children from dangers they never knew existed, I applaud the Dateline Show, the many cops who work 24/7 to round up by sting or any other means the Adults that pray on little 13 year old girls and boys.
2+ years ago a neighboring small town did the Sting operation and arrested a dozen men for the same thing. Lives went down the drain, for all the men involved, divorce, loss of jobs, they became the laughing stock of their community. Their children got the worse of it as all children do when their parents are arrested for a sex crime.
We need more Actions of this kind and big time education in the schools by the police about the dangers of mess about on line for the girls with graphic pictures of what happens to little girls who get in over their heads. The boys need to be warned also about what will happen to them if they play with fire as a young child or an Adult.
Lives can be ruined in a heart beat from accidents, illness, scoundrels and politicians. Nothing hurts so much as when lives are changed by the premeditated actions of oneself.
-
Typical liberals. Always rooting for the crooks at the expense of the real victims. I think it stems from a sheer lack of stupidity and no moral compass.
-
Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-17-11 07:33 PM
Response to Original message
>snip<
Roisman: I would have liked a blow job, yes. Nothin’ more.
Oh well it was just a BJ not sex, so it must be ok. :banghead:
Sounds pretty familiar, sir.
Seems that's the same excuse used....12-13 years ago. :rotf:
-
Sounds pretty familiar, sir.
Seems that's the same excuse used....12-13 years ago. :rotf:
You got my reference then. :-)
-
You got my reference then. :-)
Impossible to miss. :cheersmate: :rotf:
-
Impossible to miss. :cheersmate: :rotf:
It's as plain as . . . a spurt on a skirt . . . :tongue:
-
It's as plain as . . . a spurt on a skirt . . . :tongue:
Or a mess on a dress.
-
It's as plain as . . . a spurt on a skirt . . . :tongue:
You are speaking of the little blue dress I believe.
Problem here is the wearer of the dress was an adult, not a 13 year old, the ass hat in Florida that went after Senate pages, the strange actions of that dude, old man in the airport bathroom ---what the F is wrong with men in power that be they Doctors, Lawyers or Business men that cause them to loose their brains then yell entrapment.
Has to be a connection between sex drive and any kind of personal power men can achieve. True, men look for love and sex in all the wrong places, some, not all men married, and the young men just looking for a good time.
The youth do get into big trouble, but the number of middle aged men who are professional with a careear and family to provide for, what is their excuse????
The Politicians that have an adult mistress on the side is all so common, the ones that look for 13 year old boys and girls are either sick or depraved.
Keep those stings coming, unfortunately those involved in sex trafficking the worse of the worse, have enough Lawyers or ACORN to tell them how to avoid prosecution.
I bet you a shot and a beer that most anyone with $10,000 bucks could find a way to turn their cellar into a dorm room for 6-8 young girls to live in and be able to put them on the streets in even a small town.
Sex trafficking in very young girls has been going on since time began, today we have police forces undermaned that are frustrated in shutting down these operations. Regardless of all the politics they run into, they can and do take blooming and set Pedophiles off the street. Hell of a good job they do.
3 cheers for the cops that are protecting the kids that their parents had no idea were in danger.
-
Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Aug-18-11 10:44 PM
Response to Original message
25. I hope he sues that creep, Chris Hansen
He started out as praiseworthy, but then became a predatory entrapper for the sake of entertainment.
Dude thinks Hansen is a creep, when the guy who wanted to get a "Monica" from a 13 year old is the real creep.
-
You have to admit, though, when the married Hansen was caught by a National Enquirer hidden camera,
shacking up with a girlfriend half his age, there was a sort of poetic symmetry to it.
-
You are speaking of the little blue dress I believe.
Problem here is the wearer of the dress was an adult, not a 13 year old, the ass hat in Florida that went after Senate pages, the strange actions of that dude, old man in the airport bathroom ---what the F is wrong with men in power that be they Doctors, Lawyers or Business men that cause them to loose their brains then yell entrapment.
Has to be a connection between sex drive and any kind of personal power men can achieve. True, men look for love and sex in all the wrong places, some, not all men married, and the young men just looking for a good time.
The youth do get into big trouble, but the number of middle aged men who are professional with a careear and family to provide for, what is their excuse????
The Politicians that have an adult mistress on the side is all so common, the ones that look for 13 year old boys and girls are either sick or depraved.
Keep those stings coming, unfortunately those involved in sex trafficking the worse of the worse, have enough Lawyers or ACORN to tell them how to avoid prosecution.
I bet you a shot and a beer that most anyone with $10,000 bucks could find a way to turn their cellar into a dorm room for 6-8 young girls to live in and be able to put them on the streets in even a small town.
Sex trafficking in very young girls has been going on since time began, today we have police forces undermaned that are frustrated in shutting down these operations. Regardless of all the politics they run into, they can and do take blooming and set Pedophiles off the street. Hell of a good job they do.
3 cheers for the cops that are protecting the kids that their parents had no idea were in danger.
The "asshat" in FL thing was blown all out of proportion. They were over eighteen. I believe one of them he met in a bar which would mean he had fake ID. While the age difference is appalling, it wasn't illegal. And there's a huge difference between exchanging emails and sex trafficking.
Cindie
-
The "asshat" in FL thing was blown all out of proportion. They were over eighteen. I believe one of them he met in a bar which would mean he had fake ID. While the age difference is appalling, it wasn't illegal. And there's a huge difference between exchanging emails and sex trafficking.
Cindie
Oh Cindie now you are headed into the throw back era of, the victim asked for it.
So some of the Pages had false Id's to get into the night life 3 years too early. Sure as heck they were looking for woman not some old dude that was their ex-boss when they inturned in DC.----Wonder how the kids got the false Id's without some high up sponsor ?????
Now Cindie, what about the ex-pages that he did not meet in a bar, When they worked for him he had full rights to the dossiers the security Agents had compiled on them, he would have no problem weeding out the solid heterosexuals and targeting the boys that were on the fence, or so he thought.
This randy old goat may have been playing his sick games for years and never caught until he totally misjudged this years kids.
Cindie you have 16-17 year old boy who is given the honor to serve as a Senate Page in Washington.
What pride for them, you and family----- Your son comes home and one day he forgets to turn off his PC.
Right there before your eyes is the Senator your son spent a year or two learning from with his pants down. Can you tell me at no time would you wonder why the Senator would be Emailing your son a picture of his Dick ???????
-
Oh Cindie now you are headed into the throw back era of, the victim asked for it.
(http://memedepot.com/uploads/0/87_cat-good.jpg)
:popcorn:
-
(http://memedepot.com/uploads/0/87_cat-good.jpg)
:popcorn:
Carry out for the eagle or self service?
-
Carry out for the eagle or self service?
Considering the speed of the average house kitty, I would have to say a quick meal.
-
I'm still waiting with beaited breath to see what happens. Maybe in both instances...
:popcorn: