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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: BattleHymn on August 13, 2011, 09:47:20 AM
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Are_grits_groceries (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-13-11 06:19 AM
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Do Not let Rick Perry get up a head of steam!
The PTB will pull out all stops to put him in office. He is photogenic, folksy when necessary, and shrewd.
I know his record is the pits. However, since when has anybody really looked at someone's real record and beyond the hype. He has to be tagged now with negatives that will stick to him. Perry is big, brash, and will make the other candidates look like the 7 dwarves.
In a debate with President Obama, he would be formidable in some ways. Obama certainly would run rings around him about policy and other technical matters. However, what people want is someone who will show some passion. Look for him to palinize the debate and avoid answering the questions. He will then use a bully pulpit.
Perry will make up positives about his record if he has to. That's the modus operandi now for the right. Can he be countered with the real story and stopped short before his message overshadows his record?
He is a tea party favorite, but look for him to avoid discouraging them while appealing more to the middle. He will dogwhistle to the tea party and evangelical RW nuts. They will hear him and support him even if he appears to be off message a bit.
If you look at the 2008 election, there will be some key states that will have to be flipped back to the Republicans. NC and VA are two among others. Flip enough by hook or crook and there goes the electoral college.
I don't think his nomination is a sure thing, but he already has the money.
I'm not sure if he will be what the American people will vote for as a whole. However if enough people from the left to the independents are disgusted with all options, they may just not vote. Their attitude may be 'Why bother when it's fixed anyway?' or some variant of that.
I don't know how or where it may come from, but somebody better get a passionate, coherent message out now and push it for all its worth. I keep hoping Obama will do that, but I don't know what will light his fire. He doesn't have to scream and act like a mad man, but he better show some real emotion that will connect with people. I promise you if he says he is 'pivoting towards jobs' one more time, people will stop listening. He's pivoted so much that he has gone in circles.
He needs a direct, short, and understandable message that doesn't get bogged down in policy. The GOP would love for him to get stuck in a swamp of numbers. This is the type of political campaigning that he does not relish. Town halls are fine, but he has to grow and become bigger than life. Obama has to develop a very real presence of leadership that people can feel like they are touching. IMHO he doesn't have that aura now.
Laugh at me and discount what I am saying at your peril. The political landscape has undergone seismic shifts since 2008. It has been as unpredictable and volatile as the weather we have had. I wouldn't want to bet the house on Obama winning unless he puts up a dogfight. Even then, we might find ourselves in Oz being governed by the man behind the curtain.
babylonsister (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-13-11 06:39 AM
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2. I don't discount you at all; I agree. Rec'd. nt
cali (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-13-11 06:44 AM
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3. excellent op
I agree and then there's this:
Money No Obstacle as Perry Joins G.O.P. Race
Justin Sullivan/Getty Images
Gov. Rick Perry’s campaign finance operation has shifted into high gear, and it helps that Texas is a treasure trove of Republican money with few restrictions on political giving.
By NICHOLAS CONFESSORE
Published: August 12, 2011
But it is a credential Mr. Perry is unlikely to highlight that could make him the most formidable entrant in the Republican race so far: he is among the top political fund-raisers in the country, with a vast network of wealthy supporters eager to bankroll his presidential ambitions, and he has the potential to energize Republican donors who have shown only limited enthusiasm for the candidates already in the race.
In three campaigns for governor, Mr. Perry has raised $102 million, including more than $39 million during his successful 2010 bid for re-election. The Republican Governors Association, of which Mr. Perry is chairman, raised a record $22.1 million during the first half of this year.
And in recent months, even as the candidate himself was being coy about his presidential ambitions, Mr. Perry’s campaign finance operation has shifted into high gear, holding meetings with dozens of the party’s top uncommitted donors around the country, some of whom have already pledged to raise money for him.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/13/us/politics/13donate.html?_r=4&hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/13/us/politics/13donate.html?_r=4&hphttp://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/13/us/politics/13donate.html?_r=4&hp)
Are_grits_groceries (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-13-11 07:33 AM
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7. Sure if it
can be heard and stuck to him before the campaign rush begins. Don't count on the MSM to highlight it.
Too many things like this that one would expect to turn off voters never reach a lot of people. We know about it but we keep up. How many average citizens in other states are following his shenanigans? He will try to brush off any criticism and turn the tables spinning it as people turning against religion.
The GOP and their cloven footed minions are masters at changing the message.
:evillaugh: :evillaugh: :evillaugh: :evillaugh: :evillaugh:
The Blue Flower (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-13-11 10:13 AM
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8. Instant media meme
I heard this everywhere as soon as he announced: "The candidate who has never lost a race."
Are_grits_groceries (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-13-11 10:27 AM
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12. I can't wait for the MSM
to run that into the ground. Perry won't have to repeat it one time when it enters the media echo chamber. Perry will act like a winner and try to turn it into an inevitable feeling of victory.
Sun Tzu said:
“If you are far from the enemy, make him believe you are near.â€
Even if Perry has a brazillion things to overcome, projecting leadership and confidence in victory can carry him a lot further than people think.
Hm, now where have I heard that song and dance before?
Imajika (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-13-11 10:38 AM
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14. Perry will not pick Palin as his running mate...
It will not happen. Palin will ultimately endorse Perry though, and campaign very hard for him.
I agree with much of this article, though I obviously don't necessary agree he will win the general election.
Perry will be the GOP nominee, and I am betting his will select Marco Rubio as his running mate. Perry/Rubio will be a strong GOP ticket. Both are the baggers which can put the best possible face on their insane movement. Rubio will be selected to make inroads into the Hispanic vote.
Do not underestimate Perry. He LOVES campaigning. He may be an economic idiot and an intellectual dimwit, but in times of crisis and unease people tend to gravitate to simplistic leaders who appear strong and have what they call a "common sense" answer to everything.
Anyone who thinks 2012 will be an easy re-elect for President Obama is kidding themselves. This IS going to be the most important election in our lifetimes. If we are in an environment in which someone like Perry can win, it will mean the Republicans will likely hold the House and re-take the Senate. The damage these people will do, not to mention ensuring the Supreme Court remains conservative for another generation, will be astronomical - they'll take us back decades in the first few months alone.
Ballygrl, pick up the red courtesy phone.
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I cracked up when I read this line by the DUmmie :lmao: :lmao:"I know his record is the pits. However, since when has anybody really looked at someone's real record and beyond the hype."
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Are_grits_groceries (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-13-11 06:19 AM
Original message
Do Not let Rick Perry get up a head of steam!
The PTB will pull out all stops to put him in office. He is photogenic, folksy when necessary, and shrewd.
I was thinking this must mean 'Push The Bush' and wondered where I could sign up, but then to my disappointment realized the DUmmie meant 'Powers That Be.' Dangit.
I know his record is the pits. However, since when has anybody really looked at someone's real record and beyond the hype. He has to be tagged now with negatives that will stick to him. Perry is big, brash, and will make the other candidates look like the 7 dwarves.
Yeah, look what we got back in 2008.
In a debate with President Obama, he would be formidable in some ways. Obama certainly would run rings around him about policy and other technical matters. However, what people want is someone who will show some passion. Look for him to palinize the debate and avoid answering the questions. He will then use a bully pulpit.
Oh Gawd, stop, yer killin' me! :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Perry will make up positives about his record if he has to. That's the modus operandi now for the right. Can he be countered with the real story and stopped short before his message overshadows his record?
Well, at least they'll be his own, instead of that ghost-written drivel that made Obama a millionaire.
He is a tea party favorite, but look for him to avoid discouraging them while appealing more to the middle. He will dogwhistle to the tea party and evangelical RW nuts. They will hear him and support him even if he appears to be off message a bit.
He doesn't really have to, if Obama is the other choice.
If you look at the 2008 election, there will be some key states that will have to be flipped back to the Republicans. NC and VA are two among others. Flip enough by hook or crook and there goes the electoral college.
Obama's done a pretty good job on that one for him already.
I don't think his nomination is a sure thing, but he already has the money.
It's his for the talking, unless he starts making Special Olympics jokes.
I'm not sure if he will be what the American people will vote for as a whole. However if enough people from the left to the independents are disgusted with all options, they may just not vote. Their attitude may be 'Why bother when it's fixed anyway?' or some variant of that.
Since it's fixed anyway, they'll vote whether they thought they were going to or not in a lot of our major cities and in the nursing homes and Indian reservations.
I don't know how or where it may come from, but somebody better get a passionate, coherent message out now and push it for all its worth. I keep hoping Obama will do that, but I don't know what will light his fire. He doesn't have to scream and act like a mad man, but he better show some real emotion that will connect with people. I promise you if he says he is 'pivoting towards jobs' one more time, people will stop listening. He's pivoted so much that he has gone in circles.
Passionate isn't your problem, it's that second thing that's the stumbling block.
He needs a direct, short, and understandable message that doesn't get bogged down in policy. The GOP would love for him to get stuck in a swamp of numbers. This is the type of political campaigning that he does not relish. Town halls are fine, but he has to grow and become bigger than life. Obama has to develop a very real presence of leadership that people can feel like they are touching. IMHO he doesn't have that aura now.
Wait, I thought he was the guy who was going to score all the points explaining his alleged policies?
Laugh at me and discount what I am saying at your peril. The political landscape has undergone seismic shifts since 2008. It has been as unpredictable and volatile as the weather we have had. I wouldn't want to bet the house on Obama winning unless he puts up a dogfight. Even then, we might find ourselves in Oz being governed by the man behind the curtain.
I'm willing to take that chance. Fortune favors the brave, and all that.
:tongue:
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The PTB will pull out all stops to put him in office. He is photogenic, folksy when necessary, and shrewd.
I pulled this picture from http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1730319&mesg_id=1730319]
I was going to make it the final crowning turd of threads in the "Perry Paranoia Triple Header", but it really didn't have any good content, other than this picture, so I'll throw it on this thread.
(http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s233/ignitethefire65/Perry.jpg)
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Sounds like the DUmmies are gearing up the Perry Hate Machine©
It's amazing how easily they slip into that mindset, like putting on a pair of old shoes.
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Perry an economic idiot, but the One is a genius.
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Ballygrl, pick up the red courtesy phone.
:lmao:
We so need a hug smiley so I can give BH a hug.
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I pulled this picture from http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1730319&mesg_id=1730319]
I was going to make it the final crowning turd of threads in the "Perry Paranoia Triple Header", but it really didn't have any good content, other than this picture, so I'll throw it on this thread.
(http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s233/ignitethefire65/Perry.jpg)
It really shows the DUmmy mindset when all Kputz can come up with are a couple of photos depicting Perry as a clean cut looking young man and not some dirty ****ing hippie. The uniform in question is the elite Aggie Cadet corps. Perry was ROTC and served in the Air Force as a transport pilot with a Captains rank.
They really are worried, thus the "queer slurs" about a guy who has been married for 30 years and has 2 normal seeming kids.
They better worry.
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The primatives appear to want to run with the religion end.
mmonk (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-13-11 07:24 AM
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5. Will his religious bigotry angle turn off people?
What bigotry would that be, mmonkey?
Are_grits_groceries (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-13-11 07:33 AM
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7. Sure if it
can be heard and stuck to him before the campaign rush begins. Don't count on the MSM to highlight it.
>snip<
In other words, distort and lie and hope someone falls for it.
ladjf (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-13-11 10:23 AM
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11. No. It will turn them on. nt
It will make them think.
coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-13-11 10:22 AM
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10. Didn't Perry appear on stage with John Hagee recently, when
Edited on Sat Aug-13-11 10:24 AM by coalition_unwilling
Hagee all but came out and said Roman Catholics worshipped false idols?
>snip<
Didn't another "pastor" preach "God***n America"?
coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-13-11 11:06 AM
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16. Good Lord, I'm no sharp operative and even I could write the script
Edited on Sat Aug-13-11 11:08 AM by coalition_unwilling
for the attack ad that yokes Hagee to Perry permanently.
Something like this:
Ad opens with footage of rabid Tea Party\Christian evangelical mob scenes for 10 seconds with no voice-over.
>snip<
Unless you hire Hollywood actors, good luck with that.
coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-13-11 11:14 AM
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17. See my post #16. With an attack ad airing in appropriate markets,
Perry would run the risk of losing the Roman Catholic vote. Yes, there are more Protestants than Catholics in the U.S., but there are way more Catholics than there are fundy crazies.
No he wouldn't. Those of the Catholic faith would see through your cheap lies.
The last comment I'll post, is exactly the ticket I'd like to see.
krabigirl (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-13-11 12:33 PM
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23. He is horrible. him and bachmann are theocratic nightmare candidates.
Exactly!!!
You win, Krabbygirl.
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I cracked up when I read this line by the DUmmie :lmao: :lmao:"I know his record is the pits. However, since when has anybody really looked at someone's real record and beyond the hype."
Not since before November, 2008...
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Judging by the strength of primitive fear & loathing surrounding Perry, I believe we have found our candidate.
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Judging by the strength of primitive fear & loathing surrounding Perry, I believe we have found our candidate.
About the only other person even mentioned as possibly running for President, who can match the vitriol thrown at them, is Sarah Palin.
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Sarah Palin is the M-80 in the DUmmies outhouse.
Just the mention of her name over on the island, will cause the shit to fly.
Want to see DUmmies heads implode....Bachmann/Palin 2012