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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Freeper on August 09, 2011, 07:49:39 PM
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-09-11 08:49 PM
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Why is it that people always riot in the hood?
It is actually not complex. And the answer from London, closing the tube, should give you the answer. I might add something else, Car ownership in Europe is much lower than in the United states, and there are good and valdi reasons for that.
Yes, ever time, predictably, we have the but why? Or worst they should... but the answer is actually simple... transport. It is actually the simplest part of a riot... after that they get nuanced.
It is also very complex as to how they evolve. They are organic organic things, and in some ways "in the moment and the place."
There has been rare occurrences where the riot happened outside the hood... and usually those are better organized.
Yes, they do have a political meaning and reasons that usually come down to despair and powerlessness... but that is neither here or there.
Disclaimer, necessary it seems, understanding this does not mean one advocates this... It is sad that we even have to put in the disclaimer but alas we need to.
Second disclaimer, saying that these explosions are like a pressure cooker going off and that if you do not deal with underlying reasons, you will get more... is also reality... alas I do not expect the TORY government to do that.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1704345
I'm so glad Nadin is around to splain this stuff to all us.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-09-11 08:49 PM
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Why is it that people always riot in the hood?
It is actually not complex.
Oh my. And here I was, mistaken. Thank you nadin, thank you so much. Whatever would we do without you?
:whatever:
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They riot in the hood because they have no respect. No respect for themselves, or their neighbors. Duh.
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Gang membership/activity should be illegal in every city. Bring back the nightsticks and fire hoses.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-09-11 08:49 PM
Original message
Why is it that people always riot in the hood?
It is actually not complex. And the answer from London, closing the tube, should give you the answer. I might add something else, Car ownership in Europe is much lower than in the United states, and there are good and valdi reasons for that.
I would LOVE to hear "your" reasons for this. Oh, do please enlighten us.
::) ::)
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Because gas is $6 a gallon? It has nothing to do with rioting.
Stupid woman.
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Gee, I'm so glad that nitwit took the time to explain that. I feel so enlightened.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-09-11 08:49 PM
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Why is it that people always riot in the hood?
blahblahblah
If they went elsewhere, they would most likely be shot.
That's how it works in Texas. Thus, no stupid riots.
Hell, they'd probably be shot "in the hood", too.
Same result.
Goonads, take a hint. Ask for a refund, you didn't really learn shit at school.
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They riot in the hood you stupid skank because leftist policies have reduced them to animals.
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Oh horseshit. Pretty much everyone in L.A. has a car but look where the riots occur. They riot where it's most convenient and for the obvious reason that for every rioter that's one less person in their hood to try to stop the riot.
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Nadine.....bite me!!! :censored:
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They riot in the hood because they know you bleeding heart liberals will build them nicer places to F***up...and give them more free stuff.
ME....I would put a fence around the place and make them live in the mess they made....they act like wild animalss, treat them like wild animals.
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I didn't know London had a hood?
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I didn't know London had a hood?
I know Nottingham does. Sherwood Forest, anyway.
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The BBC says there has also been 3 nights of riots in Birmingham and Manchester.
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I know Nottingham does. Sherwood Forest, anyway.
We watched the Russell Crowe movie last week, and I give it a thumbs up.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-09-11 08:49 PM
Original message
Why is it that people always riot in the hood?
It is actually not complex. And the answer from London, closing the tube, should give you the answer. I might add something else, Car ownership in Europe is much lower than in the United states, and there are good and valdi reasons for that.
Yes, ever time, predictably, we have the but why? Or worst they should... but the answer is actually simple... transport. It is actually the simplest part of a riot... after that they get nuanced.
It is also very complex as to how they evolve. They are organic organic things, and in some ways "in the moment and the place."
There has been rare occurrences where the riot happened outside the hood... and usually those are better organized.
Yes, they do have a political meaning and reasons that usually come down to despair and powerlessness... but that is neither here or there.
Disclaimer, necessary it seems, understanding this does not mean one advocates this... It is sad that we even have to put in the disclaimer but alas we need to.
Second disclaimer, saying that these explosions are like a pressure cooker going off and that if you do not deal with underlying reasons, you will get more... is also reality... alas I do not expect the TORY government to do that.
Great explanation nadin. Since you say riots "do have a political means and reasons that usually come down to despair and powerlessness" please explain the riots after the rioters' NBA team wins a championship.
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Great explanation nadin. Since you say riots "do have a political means and reasons that usually come down to despair and powerlessness" please explain the riots after the rioters' NBA team wins a championship.
Or when riots break out after a hockey game! :mental:
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it is very simple and wildly unpopular why you will find more rioting in the hoods, but it shouldn't be dismissed. Generally, you are going to find a certain type of individual in the hood with certain types of behaviors. This propensity towards certain behaviors like impulsiveness, lower levels of education, glorification of thuggery and any other primal behavior generally also lends itself well towards group think and mob mentalities as well. You throw in the opportunity to thieve under the cover of hoards of people in a population more likely to take part in criminal behavior and voila...
When you take out the criminal element, you generally have throngs of very uneducated people who have a very warped sense of reality that they develop based not on how the world really works, but how their appointed leader of choice has told them things work and based on their own twisted sense of right and wrong from living in a crappy area around thieves and liars for so long. What you see out of this group is a lot of people who generally take no responsibility for their part in their own or their community's mess and even a big dose of 'just don't know better' peppered with "I'm gonna do me". What always got me about liberals making fun of country bumpkins is an urban kid is just as much of a naive(about the world) bumpkin too. Many people in a very enclosed urban center have not even left that center for anything else. When you are that isolated, whether by choice or circumstance, you have a very narrow view of the world, and imo, are very easily led by that which makes you feel secure even if it's totally corrupt and vacuous.
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Where I live in the country the neighbors are all at least a 1/4 mile apart and we all know each other.
It'd be hard to muster the numbers and anonymity that are required for riots.
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If the left hadn't held them captive on their inner city plantation for decades they might not act like caged animals.
Cindie
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I'm amazed that the DUers can't answer this question.
They riot and destroy in the hood because none of the property there was earned. None of it is owned by them. None of it was worked for. Therefore none of those parasitic thugs living there give a rat's ass about the property, or anyone else's property for that matter. May as well destroy it when they get their undies in a bunch over austerity measures that might effect the amount of money they will get for doing nothing but eating and breeding like cattle.
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it is very simple and wildly unpopular why you will find more rioting in the hoods, but it shouldn't be dismissed. Generally, you are going to find a certain type of individual in the hood with certain types of behaviors. This propensity towards certain behaviors like impulsiveness, lower levels of education, glorification of thuggery and any other primal behavior generally also lends itself well towards group think and mob mentalities as well. You throw in the opportunity to thieve under the cover of hoards of people in a population more likely to take part in criminal behavior and voila...
When you take out the criminal element, you generally have throngs of very uneducated people who have a very warped sense of reality that they develop based not on how the world really works, but how their appointed leader of choice has told them things work and based on their own twisted sense of right and wrong from living in a crappy area around thieves and liars for so long. What you see out of this group is a lot of people who generally take no responsibility for their part in their own or their community's mess and even a big dose of 'just don't know better' peppered with "I'm gonna do me". What always got me about liberals making fun of country bumpkins is an urban kid is just as much of a naive(about the world) bumpkin too. Many people in a very enclosed urban center have not even left that center for anything else. When you are that isolated, whether by choice or circumstance, you have a very narrow view of the world, and imo, are very easily led by that which makes you feel secure even if it's totally corrupt and vacuous.
Interesting analysis.......however, I see it somewhat more simplistically.......the behavior that we experience in "da hood" isn't all that different from what you would witness every day in Somalia, Zimbabwe, and a dozen other African "countries".
It's a simple matter of civilized vs uncivilized behavior, and whether a culture is willing to embrace the moral and ethical constraints on individual actions necessary to coexist peacefully with others, and take responsibility for their own individual actions.
Scholarly tomes, papers, and studies have waxed eloquently about all of the metrics, however it all boils down to whether a group is "civilized" or not.........making excuses for such behavior is just politically correct "window dressing".
doc
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Well, and on top of the lack of morals and self-respect, you have democrats who constantly tell them that they cannot do any better on their own without federal funding. Democrats, the true racist bigots, like to keep their minorities in concentrated areas and tell them how inferior they are to, well, you know... white people.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315078/Race-maps-America.html
Compare and contrast liberal vs more conservative cities.
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teh Hood
Hoodies
Hoodlems.
Co-wink-a-dink?
:stoner:
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Well, and on top of the lack of morals and self-respect, you have democrats who constantly tell them that they cannot do any better on their own without federal funding. Democrats, the true racist bigots, like to keep their minorities in concentrated areas and tell them how inferior they are to, well, you know... white people.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315078/Race-maps-America.html
Compare and contrast liberal vs more conservative cities.
I think the fact that the inner cities have building after building packed to the rafters contributes. You can't have people living right on top of each other and not have problems. How many of us have had a neighbor that constantly blasted their music or let their dogs/cats run loose and irritate everyone? I know I have. Now in the Section 8 housing complexes, it is all multiplied.
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I think the fact that the inner cities have building after building packed to the rafters contributes. You can't have people living right on top of each other and not have problems. How many of us have had a neighbor that constantly blasted their music or let their dogs/cats run loose and irritate everyone? I know I have. Now in the Section 8 housing complexes, it is all multiplied.
Exactly. Look at the maps and how dense and segregated NY city is. But they aren't rioting because of loud stereos or dogs. They're rioting because they're now to the point where their sense of entitlement without work is genetic.
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Well, and on top of the lack of morals and self-respect, you have democrats who constantly tell them that they cannot do any better on their own without federal funding. Democrats, the true racist bigots, like to keep their minorities in concentrated areas and tell them how inferior they are to, well, you know... white people.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315078/Race-maps-America.html
Compare and contrast liberal vs more conservative cities.
To an extent........however, I'd argue that there really aren't any "conservative" urban areas due to the funding issues that you mentioned........however, the balkanization is primarily due to "white flight", which continues to this day.
Both working and professional whites, Asians, and some of Spanish descent simply became weary of living behind barred windows/doors, watching their real estate values plummet, and attempting to educate their children in school systems that are dysfunctional due to the predominance of minority students that really are not interested in learning due to their "culture".
They empathetically arrived at an economic solution.......migrate to suburban areas where those less civilized cannot afford to live, build better school systems and a tax base to support it.......leave those unable to economically compete to wallow in their own creation.
I don't believe that "multiculturalism" is a good thing, therefore I see this as a natural sequence of events. The phrase "adapt or die" used in conjunction with evolution of species is applicable to racial groups......."acculturate or be ostracised".
doc
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Maybe segragation is natural? (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1211994/Even-babies-discriminate-Shock-new-study-shows-infants-young-months-distinguish-black-white-faces.html)
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rasputin1952 DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-09-11 09:33 PM
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19. Locking...
the consensus of the Moderators is that the Opening Post is construed to be insensitive in the way it is presented.
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To an extent........however, I'd argue that there really aren't any "conservative" urban areas due to the funding issues that you mentioned........however, the balkanization is primarily due to "white flight", which continues to this day.
I think it's the broader conservative climate, not that those parts of the cities are necessarily conservative. Low taxes and low regulations create more jobs and opportunity. Not to mention, we've welcomed quite a few companies who've relocated here because their states were run by raving liberal lunatics. The effect of this, IMHO, is that minorities have more opportunity, and in fact, do better here, which is why you see slightly more dispersion on the maps. In other words, a much larger percentage of minorities here can also participate in the "white flight". But yes, the white flight is still happening because the inner city folks have too much time to breed and not enough time to teach their kids right from wrong, and as you say, property values fall, school quality suffers, etc.
Both working and professional whites, Asians, and some of Spanish descent simply became weary of living behind barred windows/doors, watching their real estate values plummet, and attempting to educate their children in school systems that are dysfunctional due to the predominance of minority students that really are not interested in learning due to their "culture".
They empathetically arrived at an economic solution.......migrate to suburban areas where those less civilized cannot afford to live, build better school systems and a tax base to support it.......leave those unable to economically compete to wallow in their own creation.
I don't believe that "multiculturalism" is a good thing, therefore I see this as a natural sequence of events. The phrase "adapt or die" used in conjunction with evolution of species is applicable to racial groups......."acculturate or be ostracised".
doc
No doubt multiculturalism is a horrible disaster. It's beyond a simple abysmal failure. Even if economics and politics weren't in play, people self-segregate. And why shouldn't they? There's nothing wrong with people choosing where they want to live.
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Maybe segragation is natural? (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1211994/Even-babies-discriminate-Shock-new-study-shows-infants-young-months-distinguish-black-white-faces.html)
Absolutely. Just go visit any high school campus around lunch time and see where the kids sit.
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Maybe segregation is natural? (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1211994/Even-babies-discriminate-Shock-new-study-shows-infants-young-months-distinguish-black-white-faces.html)
From personal experience I can agree........living in southern California awhile back (where whites are a minority), I found this true particularly with some ethnic groups such as Asians. They seem more comfortable living in their own communities......even subdivided by country of origion. In most cases there wasn't a language issue, simply a cultural one. I certainly don't have a problem with it.
doc
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To many, survival within the vicious democrat base of the hood depends on savage, uncivilized, ignorant, and criminal behavior.
Failure to comply with that norm can be dangerous.
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This post is full of stupidity, where to start:
zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-09-11 09:27 PM
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13. "in the hood"?
what do you mean by that?
are saying "in the ghetto"? Because "hood" is slang for "ghetto".
leaving aside the racial implications, your long winded answer that essentially boils down to "they have no cars" is utterly ridiculous and way too simplistic.
there are many reasons riots start and end in cities.
to name a few:
poverty
discrimination
lousy schools
high unemployment
lack of housing
crap healthcare
overcrowding
weather
police brutality
the reason they don't usually spread to your nice little suburb is that, like an incendiary fire, a riot burns itself out(coupled with a law enforcement crackdown) and usually last a few days.
why get in a car and go to your country club when they can just torch something nearby?
why loot a store in Beverly Hills, when there is a Circuit City not to far down the street?
and man is a species that likes familiarity. so sticking close to home isn't shocking.
well, maybe it is to you. but as a student of history, I am not surprised.
I'm a honky, actually that's what the blacks in my neighborhood called people like me, I lived in a crime infested cess pool, enough was enough, so my Parents up and moved, so I'm more than qualified to answer your post.
poverty yeah? so what? we were poor, the whites in my neighborhood were poor, and we had hard working blacks and hispanics who were poor, we didn't resort to violence, but overwhelmingly the violence in our neighborhood were perpetrated by blacks, not white, not asians, not hispanics.
discrimination yeah? how long has that card been played now? how does the left explain successful blacks who've come here from africa? hispanics? asians? etc.
lousy schools it's not lousy schools, if anything, around here? money is taken from taxpayers in other counties and shoved into the "poor schools" but why are the schools lousy? it wouldn't have anything to do with Parents who don't give a crap?
high unemployment why is unemployment high? in the words of Mayor Nutter of Philadelphia
“Take those God-darn hoodies down, especially in the summer,†Mr. Nutter, the city’s third black mayor, said in an angry lecture aimed at black teens. “Pull your pants up and buy a belt ‘cause no one wants to see your underwear or the crack of your butt.â€
“If you walk into somebody’s office with your hair uncombed and a pick in the back, and your shoes untied, and your pants half down, tattoos up and down your arms and on your neck, and you wonder why somebody won’t hire you? They don’t hire you ‘cause you look like you’re crazy,†the mayor said. “You have damaged your own race.â€
lack of housing you have no idea how quite a few "poor people" cause destruction to homes they live in, I've seen it, and they don't care, they don't own it, why should they care?
crap healthcare and why is that? maybe because taxpayers have been driven out of those neighborhoods?
overcrowding there was overcrowding in the tenements in the 30's and 40's, you ever see the stuff going on then that's going on now?
weather ::)
police brutality perceived brutality, chances are a kid has a better chance of being harmed in their own neighborhood by their own kind then they would ever get hurt by a cop, and until that fact is recognized it'll just be the same old same old.
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Why is it that people always riot in the hood?
1. Because it is hard to organize a motorcade when all the cars are on fire.
2. Because you can't shove a flat screen or new pair of trainers in the coin slot for the subway.
3. Because by the time you've walked that far, it's hard to throw a garbage can.
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From personal experience I can agree........living in southern California awhile back (where whites are a minority), I found this true particularly with some ethnic groups such as Asians. They seem more comfortable living in their own communities......even subdivided by country of origion. In most cases there wasn't a language issue, simply a cultural one. I certainly don't have a problem with it.
doc
This is most definitely true. My daughter went to a high school in CA that was overwhelmingly Asian (and was one of the top schools in the area). She didn't last a week. She came home crying everyday as they would not socialize with her and would only speak Korean around her. She transferred to another high school and she had friends the first day.
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Why is it that people always riot in the hood?
1. Because it is hard to organize a motorcade when all the cars are on fire.
2. Because you can't shove a flat screen or new pair of trainers in the coin slot for the subway.
3. Because by the time you've walked that far, it's hard to throw a garbage can.
ha-rumph, ha-rumph
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN99jshaQbY
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Why is it that people always riot in the hood?
It is actually not complex.
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It is also very complex as to how they evolve...
uh-huh.