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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: GCBill on August 09, 2011, 12:04:37 PM
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The Marxist babbles on (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1698683)
socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Tue Aug-09-11 11:11 AM
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The London riots ARE political and as such
deserve the CONDITIONAL support of revolutionary socialists world wide. I'm rereading Trotsky's "The History of the Russian Revolution" right now and I'm up to the days just past the February Revolution which was a true vanguardless, bottom up revolution and there are paralells between the two.
In any prerevolutionary situation that IS bottom up you have many different actors. Roughly, you have a small minority of highly politically conscious revolutionists whose ultimate goal is the overthrow of the system itself. Then you have another minority whose aims are anarchistic, either officially so or just as a matter of personality. The anarchists share the political goal of overthrowing the system, but not much else. And finally the majority of the actors are opportunists of one type or another. However, you can tell that it's political when even the opportunists use "political" excuses for their opportunism. This is what's happening in London now. This also shows that the agitational efforts of the anticapitalist groups is having an effect. What this means is that whatever the results of these actions are (most problaby things settle down...eventually), a percentage of these opportunists will be drawn into revolutionary cadres and a larger percentage will be drawn into traveling along WITH the revolutionary cadres.
Either way, these folks are expressing an outrage against the long term repression of the working class and poor. Now, I don't condone the excesses of rioting and I'm bothered by the anarchist tendencies OF the rioting, but it IS a class struggle. In a class struggle, I KNOW which side I'm on. Which is why I conditionally support the oppressed peoples of London.
Nothing says "support the working masses in their struggle against the ruling class" like scoring yourself some free swag and burning down some Asian's corner shop.
I suppose after drinking a few bottles of looted booze, you might be ready to join a "revolutionary" party - as long as they are offering more free booze. Gonna suck when the buzz wears off and the hangover starts.
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socialist_n_TN
Either way, these folks are expressing an outrage against the long term repression of the working class and poor. ... it IS a class struggle.
These Brits have free healthcare, free education, etc... and they're still not happy. If they were able to have the classless society they claim they desire, they'd still be unhappy and would need an enemy to hate.
This isn't about rich vs. poor; it's about those who take personal responsibility for their own lives vs. those who want the gov't to control the lives of everyone. I can take personal responsibility for my life and the Marxist in TN wants the gov't to tell him how to live his life. It really is that black and white.
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...and the rioters know that the law abiding English citizen is unarmed.
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What a piece of human garbage.
People invest their lives, work, and soul into businesses to build something for themselves and their family, and fifth-rate, uneducated, know-nothing retards come along and want society to hand them a lifestyle for nothing. And if not? They'll burn down the accomplishments of others. Genius. That's the "progressive" movement for you. If they can't have a mansion, too, they'll make sure nobody has one.
Frankly, the Brits (and Philidelphians) should bypass the water canons and rubber bullets and start slinging some lead. None of those liberal wastes of space have the resources to ever repay the damage they've caused to the owners of the property they've destroyed.
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A lot of the DUmmies reject the commie's blah blah blah-ing, except for :
coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-09-11 11:30 AM
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11. How in the world could anyone unrec this? Un-friggin-believable
this place.
Awesome post and analysis. I unconditionally support the oppressed working class of London. I unconditionally condemn the UK's ruling class.
I can't read the Commie from TN. He gives me a headache and reminds of the serfs digging in the mud in The Holy Grail.
Even Seabeyond, who is a total loon, makes a little sense.
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-09-11 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #11
57. the ones looting are oppressing a lot of those working class you whole heartedly support, today. nt
sufrommich (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-09-11 11:36 AM
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16. A pretty good example of why "revolutionary socialism" will
forever remain the political equivalent of naval gazing on the internet.Ask the people of the UK how they feel about the young thugs destroying their neighborhoods. I doubt very much you'll get a lot of support for the "revolutionaries".
socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-09-11 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #23
43. Sometimes people act in a revolutionary fashion
without even knowing they're doing so. As I've said all along though, I don't condone excessive violence or violence against the wrong groups.
:o
Imajika (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-09-11 12:31 PM
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58. Nonsense...
These riots are not political, they are just an excuse for looting, violence and destruction.
Absolutely no good will come from any of this. None. This will not help the cause of the left, socialists or progressives of any other stripe. In fact, this sort of thing tends to greatly strengthen the hands of law and order conservatives.
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-09-11 01:33 PM
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60. What a load of steaming guano.
Take your class struggle and shove it "bottom up."
This is vandalism, theft and hooliganism. Nothing more.
:lmao:
Blindpig said some junk but my computer didn't want to touch it. It was dour communistic shit as always.
A noobie with a Canadian flag for an avatar:
socialshockwave (284 posts) Tue Aug-09-11 01:55 PM
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66. It's teenagers looting and smashing shit.
It's not a revolution.
It's a ****ing disgrace.
Shoot to kill the looters, curfew, I don't care.
Hat's off to the DUers who rejected the Tennessee Communist and his revolutionary class struggle to wrench the means of production from the Pakistani corner shopkeepers.
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-09-11 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #23
43. Sometimes people act in a revolutionary fashion
without even knowing they're doing so. As I've said all along though, I don't condone excessive violence or violence against the wrong groups.
So, it wasn't that the KKK was a bad group or did anything really wrong, they just picked on the wrong group, huh? I bet the Nazi's were picking on the right group, huh?
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Bring it the **** on, DUmbasses. I got a little sumthin' sumthin' for you. :bird:
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lol. How'd that whole revolution thing work out for Trotsky, by the way...
:whatever:
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Bring it the **** on, DUmbasses. I got a little sumthin' sumthin' for you. :bird:
It's not likely to happen out here in the country where I live...but if it does, there may be some cases of, "Oh look. Fourteen of the rioters fell in a well."
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I just want to highlight this from another thread:
DUmp Link (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1701007)
WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-09-11 03:31 PM
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16. Yeah, apparently mom-and-pop store owners are "the owning class" now
Well, shit, I own no aggregate wealth - as a matter of fact, thanks to student loans, I have a negative net worth - but I'm betting I'd be in line for my house and car to be torched according to some of these people's definitions of "rich." No thank you.
TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-09-11 03:41 PM
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20. Those that might be mistaken for rich should make it their primary responsibility
to champion economic justice because if hell breaks loose their fat could find its self all up in the fire.
The mission is to stop the need for riots or to lead the rioters to more appropriate targets.
How would work exactly, Kentuckian? Stop! Don't burn my car! I'm a good little DUmmie!
This is nothing but economic hostage-taking and terrorism.
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What was it the good Germans would say, "Da Jude. Da Jude".
I'll dress in rags and point out every DUmmie I know, "There's a rich one. There's another rich one."
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-09-11 03:31 PM
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16. Yeah, apparently mom-and-pop store owners are "the owning class" now
Of course they are. Who do you think the Trotskyites went for after they looted, exiled, or killed off "the rich"?
If they let you live, there's still no gaurantee you'll keep your home. If they're nice, you get to share it with half a dozen strangers.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Tue Aug-09-11 11:11 AM
Original message
I'm rereading Trotsky's "The History of the Russian Revolution" right now...
Next up on this nitwit's reading list: "Cuba -- An Island Paradise" by Fidel and Raul Castro (foreword by Ernesto Guevara) followed by some beautifully-written poetry by Kim Jong Il.
I wonder if this is what George Washington had in mind as the Continental army starved at Valley Forge.
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What was it the good Germans would say, "Da Jude. Da Jude".
I'll dress in rags and point out every DUmmie I know, "There's a rich one. There's another rich one."
5'n yer sig line JR. As my mom always said, revolution would only take a decicated 10%.
And with that said, I believe George Soros posts as Kentuck:
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-09-11 03:41 PM
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20. Those that might be mistaken for rich should make it their primary responsibility
to champion economic justice because if hell breaks loose their fat could find its self all up in the fire.
The mission is to stop the need for riots or to lead the rioters to more appropriate targets.
Sure sounds like Kapo Soros MO.
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These Brits have free healthcare, free education, etc... and they're still not happy. If they were able to have the classless society they claim they desire, they'd still be unhappy and would need an enemy to hate.
This isn't about rich vs. poor; it's about those who take personal responsibility for their own lives vs. those who want the gov't to control the lives of everyone. I can take personal responsibility for my life and the Marxist in TN wants the gov't to tell him how to live his life. It really is that black and white.
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The only difference between these idiots and the DUmmies, is they got off the couch long enough to do the rioting the DUmmies dream of doing.
Of course we have guns in the US so that could be why the morons at DU haven't done so yet.
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These Brits have free healthcare, free education, etc... and they're still not happy. If they were able to have the classless society they claim they desire, they'd still be unhappy and would need an enemy to hate.
This isn't about rich vs. poor; it's about those who take personal responsibility for their own lives vs. those who want the gov't to control the lives of everyone. I can take personal responsibility for my life and the Marxist in TN wants the gov't to tell him how to live his life. It really is that black and white.
Give a man a fish, and he'll riot for free fish (http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/09/give-a-man-a-fish-and-hell-riot-for-free-fish/)
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Oppressed? OPPRESSED?!? Apparently to the idiot in TN, oppression isn't denial of inalienable rights. Nor is it even denial of excess resources that modern developed society tends to produce.
What is oppression to the idiot in TN? Apparently a roof over your head, food in your belly, and stipends you don't deserve are now acts of oppression, because somehow those fools down at parliament didn't realize you "needed" a Wii, or a PS3, or a brand new flat screen, or whatever you could get from a bleeding man's backpack.
Fools like this are why America and the west in trouble. They think they are owed because better men are forced to give them enough to survive.
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Give a man a fish, and he'll riot for free fish (http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/09/give-a-man-a-fish-and-hell-riot-for-free-fish/)
^5 Gotta love Treacher. Knowing that this scrunt is likely walking the streets of my city makes me want to puke. I stronly suspect he/she is here in Memphis, and longs for the riots after MLK was shot.
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Yeah, I kinda want to apologize for sharing a state with someone this dumb. Sorry, everybody. I didn't ask him to move here.
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-09-11 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #8
20. Those that might be mistaken for rich should make it their primary responsibility
to champion economic justice because if hell breaks loose their fat could find its self all up in the fire.
The mission is to stop the need for riots or to lead the rioters to more appropriate targets.
Great plan Kentuckian. I see you are a "leader".
:jerkit:
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1704007&mesg_id=1704007
originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Tue Aug-09-11 08:09 PM
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Just a tip for the London rioters:
Edited on Tue Aug-09-11 08:16 PM by originalpckelly
Kids, don't shit where you eat.
Don't burn your own houses down to show the rich what for.
Go to their neighborhoods.
They have much nicer things to loot and you still have a place to live when all is said and done.
Of course, that could be Yankee Common Sense coming through.
Just sayin'.
originalpckelly:
You are a small minded piece of excrement. An apologist and instigator for thieves and thugs.
Just sayin'.
Chemisse DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Tue Aug-09-11 08:32 PM
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33. Locking
Calling on London rioters to go after the rich amounts to advocating violence, which is not supported here on DU.
But this, and other similar threads are not actually deleted. It's like you want to say this and still have deniability , because the lurkers will see this and say "WTF?"
Just sayin'.
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Catching a subway ride from the "poor" part of London to the "rich" part might take an hour or more. It's a big place.
Stay at home, losers. Stay at home.
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It's not likely to happen out here in the country where I live...but if it does, there may be some cases of, "Oh look. Fourteen of the rioters fell in a well."
...and we have 1200 miles of shoreline around our little lake over here to easily bury someone. Good thing is, Clark's Hill, being a COE lake, isn't that inhabited. :evillaugh:
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I was watching the BBC News just a little while ago and they were saying that there has been 3 nights of rioting in Birmingham and Manchester in addition to London. It's wide spread.
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Yeah, I kinda want to apologize for sharing a state with someone this dumb. Sorry, everybody. I didn't ask him to move here.
Fortunately I'm on the eastern side. All red except for the little blue enclave known as ETSU in Johnson City.
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I recommend reading the link that GCBill posted up there. It's um, instructive.
Off Topic: I left a question for TN people in the lounge.
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I can't watch film of the hooded and balaclava-wearing rat-bastard looters and vandals without itching to shoot them down like rabid dogs. Does that make me a bad person?
:fuelfire:
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I can't watch film of the hooded and balaclava-wearing rat-bastard looters and vandals without itching to shoot them down like rabid dogs. Does that make me a bad person?
:fuelfire:
Neither can I, DAT, neither can I. :fuelfire: :fuelfire: :fuelfire: