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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: zeitgeist on August 06, 2011, 03:39:50 PM
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-06-11 02:50 PM
Original message
3 things will fix this. Taxes. Tariffs. Troops.
The gig is up. We are out of money. We're down to the credit cards and just had them cut up by the credit card company.
Now what?
Taxes. Close the loopholes. Stop the cuts. Immediately. Then RAISE them.
Tariffs. Now.
Troops. Bring them ALL home. There is NOTHING we can do anywhere else in the world with our country in shambles.
Then, HEALTHCARE FOR ALL. Bust the insurance cartel. Nationalize the oil. Bust the oil cartels.
ANY corporation receiving tax breaks that is shipping jobs overseas---TARIFFS and no tax breaks.
Let's rebuild OUR country and quit worrying about everyone else's.
No one notices save the lone soul who says:
Zax2me (927 posts) Sat Aug-06-11 03:24 PM
Response to Original message
5. You can't nationalize oil.
You would have to change the constitution first, it has protections in it that actually were written for people who think like you.
Also, health care for all means free for easily 25-30% of the country. Will cost trillions. As you said we are out of money, so that is off the table for now.
Tariffs have unintended consequences. You lose employment on exported products - we are trying to increase employment, not decrease.
Looking at the low post count I can only assume this is an instant request for a granite pie.
The truth will not be tolerated in a totalitarian society like DU. Benito would be proud of the Horse, meanwhile, none dare call it Fascism.
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Embraces? Hell, that cherry was popped decades ago.
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Ms. Ed trying to talk about politics and economics is like franksolich trying to talk about nuclear physics and the cultivation of silk worms; the unappellated eohippus might as well give up, and go back to talking about those things she knows something about.
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The DUmp's dick inspector, between clients, checks in from the single-wide:
Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-06-11 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. Where? Please show me where the Constitution prevents us from
taking back something the people already own.
I'll be waiting for the specifics. Thanks in advance.
The CBO has already stated that healthcare for all would actually save money--so I will be also waiting on your proof of that.
Also--on tariffs...we are importing much more than we are exporting. But I am going to give the benefit of doubt that you don't realize by raising tariffs...it would actually be cheaper for us to start manufacturing HERE again...thus creating jobs--not lose them.
Your entire post is filled with RW arguments and framing. I am going to assume that is just because of ignorance.
I'd have more confidence in coach's silkworm advice.
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All this blather from BVD inspector #7 and not one mention of kicking the illegals out. If you are going to propose isolationism, you need to do it completely, else it fails.
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I'd have more confidence in coach's silkworm advice.
After reading the unappellated eohippus' post number seven, that'd probably be a good idea.
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There's a new tariff in town and his name is Raging Tradewar.
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I notice she makes ZERO mention of cuts on the spending anywhere. You know, when my ex and I ran into financial woes, the FIRST thing we did was cut spending in anyway we possibly could...that was FIRST because that was what most people(businesses, governments, etc) do to get IMMEDIATE results on their budget. It takes less effort to stop spending a dollar then it does to generate another dollar to make up for it. This is pretty simple stuff.
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Where in the hell do they get this crap that single payer is going to actually save the govt money?
Based on the healthcare programs they currently have and how they are going broke, how in the hell will expanding that to every living person save money?
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Where in the hell do they get this crap that single payer is going to actually save the govt money?
Based on the healthcare programs they currently have and how they are going broke, how in the hell will expanding that to every living person save money?
They BELIEEEEEEVE! Also, this doesn't hurt:
:lalala:
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Where in the hell do they get this crap that single payer is going to actually save the govt money?
Based on the healthcare programs they currently have and how they are going broke, how in the hell will expanding that to every living person save money?
They can't explain it, because it's impossible. Any single-payer program would have to do everything all the current programs do, plus move all the uninsured but non-MedicAid-covered under-65s, and all the non-Medicare over-65s, into one giant taxpayer-supported system.
It's like trying to drive twice as fast because you're afraid of running out of gas before you get to a station.
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Where in the hell do they get this crap that single payer is going to actually save the govt money?
It won't cost the government a dime. You and I will pay for it.
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It won't cost the government a dime. You and I will pay for it.
Yeah that's true, but the point is how will it cost us less to pay for everyone's hangnail treatment?
:-)
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They BELIEEEEEEVE! Also, this doesn't hurt:
:lalala:
But, but, but, the CBO said so. The bogus numbers we gave them ensured it.
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They can't explain it, because it's impossible. Any single-payer program would have to do everything all the current programs do, plus move all the uninsured but non-MedicAid-covered under-65s, and all the non-Medicare over-65s, into one giant taxpayer-supported system.
It's like trying to drive twice as fast because you're afraid of running out of gas before you get to a station.
Yeah, but you can coast a lot further. But then the USA's coasting days are just about over, some peoples has gots to get off the "free ride" and push.
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Where in the hell do they get this crap that single payer is going to actually save the govt money?
Based on the healthcare programs they currently have and how they are going broke, how in the hell will expanding that to every living person save money?
By taking unprovable assertions as facts.
The notion that with free health care through life long term sickness can be prevented.
It is a farce as it assumes every visit to a doctor prevents something rather then just being a cost.
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Yeah, but you can coast a lot further. But then the USA's coasting days are just about over, some peoples has gots to get off the "free ride" and push.
All it takes is one inconveniently-located hill to wipe out any difference, and reality is full of inconveniently-located hills.