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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: formerlurker on July 29, 2011, 05:55:46 PM
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Boehner's Revised Debt-Limit Bill Passes House, Heads for Senate
Fox News
Published July 29, 2011
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With the U.S. moving perilously closer to default on its loans to cover years of deficit spending,the House on Friday narrowly passed Speaker John Boehner's third version of a debt-limit bill that includes a balanced budget amendment that secured the support of hard-line Republicans.
But no Democrats voted for the plan and 22 Republicans defected. With 240 Republicans in the House, Boehner could only afford to lose 23 members, which showed how razor-thin the vote was.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/29/reid-prepares-alternative-proposal-to-raise-debt-ceiling/#ixzz1TXPQZlf6
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Jim Jordan sends out this statement tonight:
Just a few weeks ago, the Balanced Budget Amendment wasn’t even a part of the conversation, despite the overwhelming support it has among the American public. Thanks to the efforts of a dedicated group of conservatives, it is now an integral part of the debate over how to solve America’s spending problem.
The growing momentum toward requiring Washington to actually balance its budget shows that House Republicans have connected with the American people. Leading Democrats are another story. Senator Reid and President Obama are still trying to fool the American people into thinking we can keep borrowing and spending like there is no tomorrow.
I sincerely appreciate Speaker Boehner’s tireless work to achieve real spending cuts without tax increases, and I know there will be good conservatives on both sides of this vote.
If this bill becomes law, rest assured that Americans will insist that the promise of sending a Balanced Budget Amendment to the states be kept. Unfortunately, Senator Reid plans to strip out the Balanced Budget Amendment requirement or let this bill die altogether. If he does so, let’s remember that a bipartisan group of 234 House members already passed a responsible Cut, Cap, and Balance compromise plan to protect our AAA credit rating and solve the country’s debt problems.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner
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Eric Cantor posted this picture on his twitter account -- brilliant:
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Eric Cantor posted this picture on his twitter account -- brilliant:
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Timeline for the weekend:
Now that the House has passed its bill, the White House wants congressional leaders to race against the clock and reach a compromise before midnight, a deadline imposed by the Senate’s arcane procedural requirements and the failure to reach a deal so far.
Once the Senate rejects the House bill, Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) wants to begin the process of moving to a final vote on a new plan by Monday morning.
That means he needs to file a procedural motion — known as cloture — by Friday night to reach his goal. The Senate could only move forward on that plan only after several days of floor consideration and if Reid then secures 60 votes, unless senators allow the majority leader to speed up the schedule.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/60266.html#ixzz1TXYlnqjT
7:34 EST and they have until midnight to reach a compromise?
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When the avalanche of last NOvember crunched to a halt and the powder cloud cleared revealing Scary Harry the dingy imp still there I knew it meant trouble ahead. That incorrigible little ass boil probably will sh!tcan this bill here in the eleventh hour. Oh well, it's all on him now.
These chuckle heads on the left may kid themselves that NOvember was a freak storm or some inconsequential blip that may be disregarded but they will find out the hard way that is not so. Let Reid deliver another insolent and condescending slap down and that will be it for many a voter out there. These asshats don't realize that. They refuse to recognize the sea shift for what it was and the fact that it is the dominant trend and not an anomaly. NOvember was no one act play.
Are these socialist sh!tstains really selfish enough to take the whole country down just to get their way? I think we all know the answer to that one.
In 2008 these people had it all, the House, the Senate, the White House. They could have insured their hold on power indefinitely IF THEY HAD PLAYED THEIR CARDS RIGHT but look where we are today.
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Boehner’s Great Escape (For Now)
July 29, 2011 7:40 P.M.
By Rich Lowry
Throughout the debt-ceiling showdown Boehner has been in a very perilous place and at times it’s been hard to see how he could get out of it. Early this morning it looked like his speakership could be effectively over. But he recovered with the addition of the balanced budget amendment requirement to the measure. We’ll see how he fares when, in all likelihood, a compromise measure comes back to the House even less to the liking off his members (whatever chance there was of getting the Senate eventually to give in and adopt Boehner wholesale ended last night).
What Republicans will get in any final deal will mostly be avoiding negatives–no tax increases and no blame for a partial government shutdown upon passing the debt ceiling. They will also get spending caps which should be a restraint on discretionary spending over time. This seems a piddling accomplishment but no one has yet offered a plausible path to getting much more, certainly nothing transformative. The fact is that even the most devoted Tea Party purists in Congress have voted to increase the debt, which none of them should have done if they were serious about opposing an increase in the debt limit. No one has offered a plan to balance the budget immediately–to wipe out all discretionary spending or to begin cuts in entitlement spending next week.
I would have preferred a House plan that was simpler and had a higher dollar amount in savings, but the dirty secret is that even among the most committed Tea Partiers there was little appetite for voting to cut entitlements again, especially if Democrats weren’t going to go along (and they weren’t without a “grand bargainâ€). The great thing about the balanced budget amendment is that it allowed them to talk about the balanced budget without doing too much to balance the budget any time soon.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner
Word. But those "real conservatives" will pay top dollar every.single.time for a good dog and pony show. They are no better than the progressives who were loving the Messiah in the campaign days.
To both:
There are no ponies. There never was ponies. There never will be ponies.
That is all.
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House to vote down Reid's deficit plan Saturday
By Pete Kasperowicz - 07/29/11 07:57 PM ET
The House will reconvene Saturday to vote on Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's (D-Nev.) budget plan, and will vote on Reid's proposal under a suspension of House rules.
That vote will take place despite a request from a House Democrat that the House not set up the bill as a suspension vote, which will require a two-thirds majority to pass and thus all but assures defeat in the House.
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/174473-house-to-vote-down-reids-deficit-plan-saturday
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Rep. Paul Ryan Destroys Reid Bill in Blistering Speech; ‘Let’s Cover the Moon with Yogurt!’
http://www.breitbart.tv/rep-paul-ryan-destroys-reid-bill-in-blistering-speech-lets-cover-the-moon-with-yogurt/#idc-cover
It's all sausage making, kabuki theater, but, this video from Paul Ryan is classic. The "cuts" are no such thing.
We need to realize that the 2010 election purged many Blue Dogs, and RINO's, leaving no center. So, in 2012 the people will have to decide if they want European Socialism, or the good ole USofA. I'll take the latter, thank you very much.
The left is also pushing for Obama to invoke the 14th amendment in the event of an impasse to raise the debt ceiling without Congressional approval. I say do it, and let the impeachment hearings begin.
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We need to realize that the 2010 election purged many Blue Dogs, and RINO's, leaving no center.
There are plenty of moderate Republicans/Democrats left in Congress.
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Rep. Paul Ryan Destroys Reid Bill in Blistering Speech; ‘Let’s Cover the Moon with Yogurt!’
http://www.breitbart.tv/rep-paul-ryan-destroys-reid-bill-in-blistering-speech-lets-cover-the-moon-with-yogurt/#idc-cover
That was very good. :rofl:
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Senate Blocks Boehner Bill
July 29, 2011 8:33 P.M.
By Andrew Stiles
The Senate has just voted to “table†the deficit-reduction bill just passed by the House hours earlier. The motion passed 59 to 41, with six Republicans — Paul, Vitter, Lee, Hatch, Graham and DeMint — joining the Democrats. Prior to the vote, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.) offered to hold a cloture vote on the legislation proposed by Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.), noting that the House had already scheduled a vote on Reid’s plan for 1:00 p.m. on Saturday. Reid clearly does not have the 60 votes he would need to end a filibuster, and said he’d be happy to hold the vote if McConnell would agree to make it a simply majority vote. The Republican leader responded that he was “genuinely perplexed†by Reid’s request. “It looks like the House will vote on the Senate plan before the Senate does,†joked McConnell.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/273173/senate-blocks-boehner-bill-andrew-stiles
See this is where it becomes absolutely laughable -- six Republicans vote no against the bill that will have the most teeth. Reid's watered down compromised bill, which most assuredly will have the balanced budget language stripped from it, will be the one that passes, so these six Senators are essentially voting for Reid's plan by default.
Oh my bad -- I mean on "principle." :whatever:
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We need to realize that the 2010 election purged many Blue Dogs, and RINO's, leaving no center.
Hehehe ... I like your sense of humor.
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Rep. Paul Ryan Destroys Reid Bill in Blistering Speech; ‘Let’s Cover the Moon with Yogurt!’
http://www.breitbart.tv/rep-paul-ryan-destroys-reid-bill-in-blistering-speech-lets-cover-the-moon-with-yogurt/#idc-cover
It's all sausage making, kabuki theater, but, this video from Paul Ryan is classic. The "cuts" are no such thing.
We need to realize that the 2010 election purged many Blue Dogs, and RINO's, leaving no center. So, in 2012 the people will have to decide if they want European Socialism, or the good ole USofA. I'll take the latter, thank you very much.
The left is also pushing for Obama to invoke the 14th amendment in the event of an impasse to raise the debt ceiling without Congressional approval. I say do it, and let the impeachment hearings begin.
That video was great.
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Whatever the outcome is, this will hurt America's credit rating.
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Many liberals have lamented (and some conservatives boasted) that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s (D., Nev.) deficit plan consists entirely of spending cuts. Hardly. To start, Reid’s plan proposes to set revenue levels according the Congressional Budget Office baseline, which follows current law, as opposed to current policy. Current law, of course, assumes the expiration of certain business tax extenders, the Alternative Minimum Tax patch, and the Bush tax rates. So in effect, Reid’s plan assumes an overall tax hike of about $3.5 trillion to $3.8 trillion over ten years.
Not only that, but a Republican source tells me that Democrats are currently negotiating for automatic tax increases as part of a trigger mechanism that will go into effect if the bipartisan committee called for in Reid’s (and Boehner’s) plan fails to reach an agreement on an additional $1.2 trillion to $1.8 trillion in deficit reduction. Several GOP Senators confirm that this is the primary hang-up in the ongoing negotiations. Meanwhile, Senate Budget Committee chairman Kent Conrad (D., N.D.) has been shuttling back and forth between Reid and Mitch McConnell’s offices in an effort to negotiate a solution, but tells reporters there’s still no deal.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner
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From what I just read, a deal was passed. I hope you are all bent over and greased up.
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Once an agreement is finally reached (which I believe has happened in recent hours) I'm half expecting Chinese President Hu Jintao to return to Washington and pay another "visit" to Glorious Comrade Leader...
http://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2011/01/19/chinese-president-flies-commercial-while-obama-acts-like-emperor/
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The very notion that the republican leadership accepts the premise of "averting default" or "a balanced approach" is obnoxious and stupid and a flat out lie. And as a result it really ticks me off. Because then their focus is diverted from the real problem(s) and consequently the real solution(s). $2 trillion cuts over ten years???
We are so screwed. None of them represent us. There is NO leadership. Not in terms of anybody who gives a flying f*k about the future of this country.
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Whatever the outcome is, this will hurt America's credit rating.
Moody is backing away from that now. The band is still playing, and the fat lady shows no sign of fatigue.
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Anytime about 1/2 of the media is bragging about how the budget deal is a win for the tea party ...
Well, thats a clue. If the media loves it and the White House likes it ...
That is a crap sandwich.
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Anytime about 1/2 of the media is bragging about how the budget deal is a win for the tea party ...
Well, thats a clue. If the media loves it and the White House likes it ...
That is a crap sandwich.
Exactly.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/24-trillion-would-be-largest-debt-limit
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/economy-a-budget/174717-when-a-cut-is-not-a-cut
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Another dog and pony show. Deferring payments to future dates is not making cuts, just more kicking the can down the road so things quiet down for the elections.
Fourth and short in the red zone, inside the two minute warning, game is tied and what does Boehner do? He ****ing PUNTS???!!!
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Well well well, I can't wait to hear it straight from him how this is good.
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Haaa!
H5 Freeborn. :bash:
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There is going to be a point where Congress will have to stop kicking the can and deal with it.
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That won't happen until long after we've all kicked the bucket.
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The senate passed the debt deal and now Lord Zerø is patting himself on the back.
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And no Republicans who voted against the bill will be excluded from the special group.
I guess none of these assholes read the damned thing. :banghead: :argh:
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The American public is ONCE again screwed over by the government.
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The American public is ONCE again screwed over by the government.
The American public is ONCE again screwed over by the government aristocracy.
The subjects of our wonderful new thugocracy need to get used to this. Only citizens would have a say, one way or the other. We are obviously the former /not the latter as it appears to be agreed upon by "leaders" of both partys now. They (our masters) must have a good laugh, slapping each other on the back behind closed doors. I can just imagine them yucking it up and saying to one another "Those fools ... hahaha. We really had them going ..."
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YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/SenJimDeMint?blend=6&ob=5)
Sen DeMint says we may soon face national bankruptcy because of this Reid/Boehner/Obama Bill.
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So Obama is giving up (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14379240) $2T in cuts and/or savings over ten years ($200 billion a year) in return for $2T now, which will most likely be spent in six months given the way this guy burns through money.
Great job.
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So Obama is giving up (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14379240) $2T in cuts and/or savings over ten years ($200 billion a year) in return for $2T now, which will most likely be spent in six months given the way this guy burns through money.
Great job.
I'm thinking a good chunk will be used in vote buying schemes during the summer of 2012.
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Heritage (http://blog.heritage.org/tag/debt-ceiling/) is losing its mind over the DoD cuts, rightfully so.
Cutting funds to national security will rally the GOP base (and dare I say Independents) like nothing we have ever seen -- more so than the drum beating for small government. This may be the turning point we have been looking for.
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There may just be a silver lining to this what-the-hell-are-they-thinking deal.
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Heritage (http://blog.heritage.org/tag/debt-ceiling/) is losing its mind over the DoD cuts, rightfully so.
Cutting funds to national security will rally the GOP base (and dare I say Independents) like nothing we have ever seen -- more so than the drum beating for small government. This may be the turning point we have been looking for.
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There may just be a silver lining to this what-the-hell-are-they-thinking deal.
Unfortunately, it's the current GOP leadership that is selling this load of crap.
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Unfortunately, it's the current GOP leadership that is selling this load of crap.
The voters are what I am talking about -- you can talk about messing with a lot of things, but the military? don't mess with them. Save for the lunatic libertarians and their sister progressive freak shows, the rest of America is VERY patriotic. This will be a tremendous campaign issue.
I don't think there is one member of Congress whose seat is safe right now.
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Unfortunately, it's the current GOP leadership that is selling this load of crap.
Yes.. It is and it make me want to puke.
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YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/SenJimDeMint?blend=6&ob=5)
Sen DeMint says we may soon face national bankruptcy because of this Reid/Boehner/Obama Bill.
It's only a matter of time.
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If he could be here today I wonder what President Reagan would have to say to the current republican leadership.
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The American public is ONCE again screwed over by the government.
Congress and government are one big circus full of clowns.