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Title: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: GOBUCKS on July 29, 2011, 01:43:34 PM
Wow! This really stings! DUmmy Pedro Picasso, third-rated cartoon boy on a staff of three and the second-stupidest person on all the internets, is calling his superiors "stupid"! It's scary, because in a battle of stupidity, Pedro has the equivalent of a thermonuclear bomb on his side:
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Atman  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jul-29-11 10:16 AM
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To every lurking Tea Bagger, Freeper and Cave Dweller...YOU ARE STUPID.
If you miss your credit card payment, your rate goes up to 29-32%. The "default rate." The situation you've put the nation into right now is exactly the same, except we're talking BILLIONS and TRILLIONS of dollars, and new debt put upon the backs of our children and grandchildren. Are you ****ing MAD? How can anyone, in any way, shape or form, see this as HELPING our economy? It leads me to only one conclusion; this isn't about the economy, it's about power and your hatred of the black man in office.

Please, moles, expose yourselves, and tell me how I am wrong.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1603422
We have explained repeatedly that we hate his white half every bit as much as his Kenyan half.
 

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sarge43  (1000+ posts)      Fri Jul-29-11 10:23 AM
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3. Now, now Atman. You'll just make them cry.
Cowards and bullies do that when they're called out.



DUmmy Speck Tater, not to be confused with Dreamer Tatum, fears for the human race. It's touching that, as an outsider, he'd do that.
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Speck Tater  (1000+ posts)      Fri Jul-29-11 11:00 AM
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7. I'm sure that will get them to change their minds. NOT.
 If they could be swayed by reason, rationality or reality they would have come around long ago. Face it, they are beyond redemption. They are the terminally stupid subspecies of human that will probably contribute to the downfall not just of the U.S., but of the whole human race.



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Silent3  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jul-29-11 11:31 AM
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17. Not that the teabaggers aren't much, MUCH worse, but...
 ...not too long ago DU was filled with people screaming "Let it burn! Let it all burn down!" in their outrage against the TARP bailout.

They either...

1) Refused to believe the banking/credit crisis was a real crisis, quite sure of themselves that the crisis was just a ploy, a means to an end -- very much the same way many teabaggers are ignorantly confident that the US defaulting on its debts isn't a real problem. Or...

2) They didn't really care what harm would be caused if the economy collapsed, deciding that "doing the right thing" (in their not-so-humble-opinions about what's right) was much more important, and that it was better to let everything go to hell and rebuild from the ashes.

The big difference between the left and the right here is that when the left was going crazy with the "Let it all burn down!" attitude, it was just a noisy but fairly powerless part of the left. The right's current craziness, however, has gone main stream and hold plenty of seats in Congress.

DUmp craziness isn't fairly powerless. It is utterly powerless.
 

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Atman  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jul-29-11 12:15 PM
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18. No response from the mole-men yet.
I've been in a back-and-forth with a guy on FB, spouting the same shit. "We just need to stop SPENDING!" I explained that the debt ceiling wasn't about spending, rather, it was about paying bills we've already rung up. Didn't matter. His response was "Yes, but we have to stop sometime, otherwise they just keep spending!" There is no logic involved whatsoever. It is truly bizarro-world on the Tea Bagger side of the aisle, and they're sucking the Republicans into their black hole of stupid.

I cannot imagine how awful it would be to attempt a dialog with someone as devoid of intelligence as this cartoon boy. I wonder if the Mission Control braintrust realizes he's been surfing internet moonbat sites all morning on company time. Or maybe he's already been wallduded, and they just haven't updated their website.
Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: franksolich on July 29, 2011, 01:49:19 PM
You and I were copying-and-pasting at exactly, precisely, the same time, sir, but instead of hitting "post," I got distracted and hit the red "x" in the upper right-hand corner instead, losing all my work.

Excresence happens; one accepts, adapts, and moves on.

But anyway, all I have to add is this, from one of your illuminating comments yesterday:

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It sort of reminds me of professional golfers. The first PGA tournament I ever attended was way back in the 70s. Arnold Palmer and Jack Nicklaus were both playing, and they had galleries like Tiger Woods today. So I started following some guys I'd never heard of. Every one of them hit the ball like nothing I could have ever imagined. I was awestruck. One rocket shot after another, huge drives, draws and fades into the pins like dreams. Amazing skill. Then it struck me that these guys were the losers who probably wouldn't make the cut. They couldn't compete with Nicklaus on their best day.  That's how the vast majority of DUmmies compare to EFerrari in stupidity. They're incredible idiots, but she's the Tiger Woods (in his bimbo, HGH prime) of DUmbness.  One DUmmy who comes close is Pedro Picasso, but he's like Lee Trevino to Beth's Jack Nicklaus.
Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on July 29, 2011, 02:00:08 PM
Since the Man of S.C.A.T obviously lurks:

We don't have to raise the debt ceiling to pay already incurred debt. We can pay it just fine.

If the DC never gets raised we will pay outstanding debts first in the order they come due. The interest will be paid, there will be no default.

That means things like discretionary spending get axed.

Raising the debt ceiling allows your kind to incur new debt. That would be a poor idea.

If you think you cannot pay your current debts without incurring new debt then maybe your buying stuff without being able to pay for it outright needs to be taken away from you.
Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: franksolich on July 29, 2011, 02:08:09 PM
If you think you cannot pay your current debts without incurring new debt then maybe your buying stuff without being able to pay for it outright needs to be taken away from you.

I suspect Mrs. Pedro Picasso has a handle on it; she probably controls the purse-strings in that family.

Otherwise, Pedro Picasso wouldn't be one of the most affluent primitives on Skins's island.
Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: FiddyBeowulf on July 29, 2011, 02:16:40 PM
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Atman  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jul-29-11 12:15 PM
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18. No response from the mole-men yet.
No one is stopping you from posting over here.   :tongue:

There is also less chance of any replies being sucked down the memory hole.
Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: Evil_Conservative on July 29, 2011, 02:18:07 PM
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" The situation you've put the nation into right now is exactly the same, except we're talking BILLIONS and TRILLIONS of dollars, and new debt put upon the backs of our children and grandchildren.

WE put the United States in this situation?  Who is "we"?  Why didn't the Democrats pass a budget?  Hasn't it been more than 800 days since the last budget was passed?
Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: MoshMasterD on July 29, 2011, 02:32:28 PM
Damn, you better stickey this one, Frank.
Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: jukin on July 29, 2011, 02:57:44 PM
First, I will take nay person on this board against Pedro in an IQ test and spot this DUchebag 40 points.

Second, The deal to extend the feds credit line by 2.4 TRILLION DOLLARS (a 16% increase) for a spending cut of 22 billion dollars is not a good deal. In fact, it is a lunatic deal. at the rate 0bama burns money that would only be for 17 months and the 22 billion dollars is just over 4 days of 0bama's deficit spending.  That is not a BALANCED APPROACH, it is decidedly UNBALANCED. 

No banker in the world would go for that deal unless he was getting in the 30-40% interest on the loan.  For the lurking DUches, we are the banker.

Another thought, this 2.4 TRILLION DOLLARS  is yet another record by 0bama, eclipsing the last all democrat party 1.9 TRILLION DOLLAR increase.

Again no banker in the world would see this as a positive. next time he will ask for 3.5 TRILLION DOLLAR increase.

This. Is. Economic. Lunacy. No wonder the DUmbasse are so for it.
Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: thundley4 on July 29, 2011, 03:01:36 PM
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Atman  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jul-29-11 12:15 PM
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18. No response from the mole-men yet.
I've been in a back-and-forth with a guy on FB, spouting the same shit. "We just need to stop SPENDING!" I explained that the debt ceiling wasn't about spending, rather, it was about paying bills we've already rung up. Didn't matter. His response was "Yes, but we have to stop sometime, otherwise they just keep spending!" There is no logic involved whatsoever. It is truly bizarro-world on the Tea Bagger side of the aisle, and they're sucking the Republicans into their black hole of stupid.

The debt ceiling is all about spending. Without raising it, there is no more more money for anything but the bare necessities . Raising the debt ceiling is like maxing out all your credit cards and then applying for another one just to pay the interest on all the others.

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If you miss your credit card payment, your rate goes up to 29-32%. The "default rate." The situation you've put the nation into right now is exactly the same, except we're talking BILLIONS and TRILLIONS of dollars, and new debt put upon the backs of our children and grandchildren

ObamaCare already saddled the children, grandchildren and great grand children with debt that can't be paid unless something is done now.
Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: Ballygrl on July 29, 2011, 03:08:20 PM
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The situation you've put the nation into right now is exactly the same

The situation we've put the Nation in? you mean the situation Obama and the Democrats put the Nation in by spending more than every other President combined. Bitch to them about it!
Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: Ballygrl on July 29, 2011, 03:10:57 PM
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Atman  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jul-29-11 12:15 PM
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18. No response from the mole-men yet.


Maybe because the intent of the mole is to stir you guys up to the point that you look like fools? they do that by tweaking you guys and getting you upset where your true colors come out. It's dumb for a mole to come out and post the truth because the DU can't handle the truth, so those who espouse it get banned.
Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: DLR Pyro on July 29, 2011, 03:25:55 PM
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Atman  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jul-29-11 10:16 AM
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To every lurking Tea Bagger, Freeper and Cave Dweller...YOU ARE STUPID.
If you miss your credit card payment, your rate goes up to 29-32%. The "default rate."
That's why I always pay off my credit card bills every month to a zero balance and don't live outside my means. 

Too bad our government can't grasp that concept.
Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: delilahmused on July 29, 2011, 03:57:04 PM
We gave up our credit cards years ago. We keep one for emergencies. We balance our budget every month though. Makes it easier to not live beyond our means. If the country has been paying their debts with the money they have coming in now why would they need to raise it? Besides, every person in the country has had to tighten their belt, except Mr. Waygu and his fat, hamburger eating pet Wookie, paid for by the working stiffs who actually pay taxes.

Cindie
Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: USA4ME on July 29, 2011, 05:06:39 PM
Grow up, Pedro.  If you borrow to pay off debt without putting some measures in place to prevent it from continuing to reoccur, they'll just do it again and again.  For every $1 the USA spends, $.40 is borrowed money.  The interest on the national debt is already 37% of GDP.  Com'n Pedro, think for once, will ya?  How long do you really believe we can keep borrowing like this without greatly reducing spending?  The New Deal is unsustainable.  All citizens are already taxed to death, so that's off the table.  We can either admit it and start taking measures to reduce entitlements that should have never been implemented in the first place, or it'll eventually bury the country and won't be there at all anyway.

Decide.

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Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: BattleHymn on July 29, 2011, 05:17:04 PM

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies.
 
America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘‘the buck stops here.’’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.
 
I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit."


- U.S. Senator Barack Obama (3/16/2006)
 
Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: franksolich on July 29, 2011, 05:27:27 PM
Grow up, Pedro.

Fat chance of that ever happening.

Among other news, beginning August 1, 2011, Connecticut starts collecting a higher income-tax rate than what it had before.  If that's not enough to bitch about, apparently the income tax increase is retroactive to January 1, 2011, and taxpayers living in Connecticut are supposed to expect to have twelve months' of withholding done over the next five months.

Proposed and passed by the Dems who run Connecticut.

To make it "better," a Dem spokesman for the Dem governor pointed out, "Well, at least in January the deductions for the state income tax will go down to regular levels."

One wonders what Pedro Picasso thinks about that.
Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: Happy Fun Ball on July 29, 2011, 05:53:00 PM
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The situation you've put the nation into right now is exactly the same, except we're talking BILLIONS and TRILLIONS of dollars, and new debt put upon the backs of our children and grandchildren.
Oh really? Bush and the republicans did this?

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Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: thundley4 on July 29, 2011, 05:59:45 PM
Oh really? Bush and the republicans did this?

(http://i54.tinypic.com/2cmxdc.jpg)

Stealing this.
Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: GOBUCKS on July 29, 2011, 06:14:08 PM
Fat chance of that ever happening.

Among other news, beginning August 1, 2011, Connecticut starts collecting a higher income-tax rate than what it had before.  If that's not enough to bitch about, apparently the income tax increase is retroactive to January 1, 2011, and taxpayers living in Connecticut are supposed to expect to have twelve months' of withholding done over the next five months.

Proposed and passed by the Dems who run Connecticut.

To make it "better," a Dem spokesman for the Dem governor pointed out, "Well, at least in January the deductions for the state income tax will go down to regular levels."

One wonders what Pedro Picasso thinks about that.
I doubt the lowest ranking cartoonist in a tiny junk mail company makes enough money for any tax increase to amount to more than pennies.
Now Mrs. Picasso, who supports the family, may have a very different view of things.
Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: formerlurker on July 29, 2011, 06:22:50 PM
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Atman  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jul-29-11 10:16 AM
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To every lurking Tea Bagger, Freeper and Cave Dweller...YOU ARE STUPID.
If you miss your credit card payment, your rate goes up to 29-32%. The "default rate." The situation you've put the nation into right now is exactly the same, except we're talking BILLIONS and TRILLIONS of dollars, and new debt put upon the backs of our children and grandchildren. Are you ****ing MAD? How can anyone, in any way, shape or form, see this as HELPING our economy? It leads me to only one conclusion; this isn't about the economy, it's about power and your hatred of the black man in office.

Please, moles, expose yourselves, and tell me how I am wrong.

Oh dear.  Billions and Trillions????    :whatever:

The debt on the back of our children and grandchildren?   You will have to point me to the thread that you claimed fabricated outrage when the Messiah did that less than a year into the job.   


Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: Odin's Hand on July 29, 2011, 06:23:01 PM
Trying to inform Atman/texastoast on any sort of rational sense is like pissing in the wind. Guy's a lost cause and we'd all be better off if he took one in the brain stem.
Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: franksolich on July 29, 2011, 06:26:16 PM
Trying to inform Atman/texastoast on any sort of rational sense is like pissing in the wind. Guy's a lost cause and we'd all be better off if he took one in the brain stem.

I think it would be a reasonable assumption Pedro Picasso has no brain stem, though.

Pedro Picasso and franksolich have two things in common.

One is that we're both the "youngest brother," meaning nobody takes us seriously.

The other is that we're both handicapped; franksolich is deaf, and Pedro Picasso is mentally retarded.
Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: Freeper on July 29, 2011, 06:37:18 PM
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To every lurking Tea Bagger, Freeper and Cave Dweller...YOU ARE STUPID.
If you miss your credit card payment, your rate goes up to 29-32%. The "default rate." The situation you've put the nation into right now is exactly the same, except we're talking BILLIONS and TRILLIONS of dollars, and new debt put upon the backs of our children and grandchildren. Are you ****ing MAD? How can anyone, in any way, shape or form, see this as HELPING our economy? It leads me to only one conclusion; this isn't about the economy, it's about power and your hatred of the black man in office.

Please, moles, expose yourselves, and tell me how I am wrong.

If the debt ceiling isn't raised and we default, that will be 0bama's fault.
What is happening now is, you have spent the last ten years running up your credit cards, and now you hit your limit. You can no longer use your credit card, so you can do 1 of 2 things,
1 realize that maybe you haven't been too smart with money, and start cutting back and paying off your credit card, or
2 get another credit card and spend off that one, and in 6 months now you have 2 maxed out credit cards and a ton of debt, that you can't pay. Then you get a third card and spend off of that one, and so on.
Now tell me which option is the smart option.




Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: USA4ME on July 29, 2011, 08:55:00 PM
There's a lot of talk about the US credit rating being downgraded.  All the rating agencies are saying the reason is because the US refuses to deal with its spending addiction.  Watch the primitives, and the rest of the Angry Left, to falsely claim it's because conservatives refuse to raise taxes, and/or several other explanations that involve the country not doing exactly as the left would have us do.  They'll never accept that the New Deal entitlements are breaking the bank, but they are, and it's just a matter of time until buying US debt is too risky, and that will be it.

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Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: Boudicca on July 29, 2011, 09:14:55 PM
If the debt ceiling isn't raised and we default, that will be 0bama's fault.
What is happening now is, you have spent the last ten years running up your credit cards, and now you hit your limit. You can no longer use your credit card, so you can do 1 of 2 things,
1 realize that maybe you haven't been too smart with money, and start cutting back and paying off your credit card, or
2 get another credit card and spend off that one, and in 6 months now you have 2 maxed out credit cards and a ton of debt, that you can't pay. Then you get a third card and spend off of that one, and so on.
Now tell me which option is the smart option.






Not only do these profligates want to keep on spending, they're DEMANDING that the frugal consumer carry their dead weight.  Reminds me of the Grasshopper and the Ant story.  Does RAID make a grasshopper spray? :fuelfire:
Title: Conservative Cave living rent-free in DUmmies head
Post by: sybilll on July 29, 2011, 09:24:18 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1603422&mesg_id=1603422

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To every lurking Tea Bagger, Freeper and Cave Dweller...YOU ARE STUPID.

If you miss your credit card payment, your rate goes up to 29-32%. The "default rate." The situation you've put the nation into right now is exactly the same, except we're talking BILLIONS and TRILLIONS of dollars, and new debt put upon the backs of our children and grandchildren. Are you ****ing MAD? How can anyone, in any way, shape or form, see this as HELPING our economy? It leads me to only one conclusion; this isn't about the economy, it's about power and your hatred of the black man in office.

Please, moles, expose yourselves, and tell me how I am wrong.


***MODS, I cannot self-teach through the Help section how to bring this over properly, but, felt like it must be seen.  Please move, repost, or tell me to take a fundemental computer literacy course.  I deserve it.  

Title: Re: Conservative Cave living rent-free in DUmmies head
Post by: franksolich on July 30, 2011, 05:35:43 AM
***MODS, I cannot self-teach through the Help section how to bring this over properly, but, felt like it must be seen.  Please move, repost, or tell me to take a fundemental computer literacy course.  I deserve it.

Before pasting a primitive comment, hit the "quote" button (second from the right, second row; that image in yellow with three lines inside the square), and paste the comment in between).

Also, please include the name of the primitive who made the comment

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Atman  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jul-29-11 12:15 PM
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so that the primitive can find himself through "search;" we don't want them to miss anything, and as God and we all know, the primitives aren't smart enough to find themselves on their own.
Title: Re: Conservative Cave living rent-free in DUmmies head
Post by: Skul on July 30, 2011, 06:25:10 AM
>snip<
Also, please include the name of the primitive who made the comment
so that the primitive can find himself through "search;" we don't want them to miss anything, and as God and we all know, the primitives aren't smart enough to find themselves on their own.
Very true.
For example...
Tell a DUmpmonkey to "find your ass", and in short order, you will see them digging around and looking
under things in the basement.  Sad, but, quite funny.
Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: whiffleball on July 30, 2011, 06:42:55 AM
Oh, quicherbitchin Pedro.  It's terribly brave of you to issue challenge after challenge in your insular world protected by Uncle $kammers blankey.   You've been invited here, but since your style of debate amounts to baby talk and race baiting you know there's no way you could ever score a point.  What a very small person you are.
Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: JakeStyle on July 30, 2011, 08:08:34 PM
Figured I should save these 2 posts as they will likely disappear as soon as the mods sober up.

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grimaldi (2 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sat Jul-30-11 07:47 PM
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108. Lurker decloaking as requested, bracing for impact
   
As a long-time lurker here, the “challenge” issue by the original poster prompted me to post here. Hopefully the mods will make an exception for me in this case and not ban me outright for not being a progressive supporter!

There is obviously a political angle to this…Obama voted against raising the debt ceiling under Bush to appear fiscally-minded to the public while Republicans supported raising it. The public wants small, responsible government with low taxes, but they also want a robust social support network and what, to most, appears to be free services (medical, roads, etc), so every politician tries to walk the line of appearing to care about the budget while spending as much as possible to keep constituents happy. People want tax cuts and lots of service, as long as someone else is paying for them. While raising taxes, fees and fines works to some degree, the easiest person to get to pay for something (and the only person who can provide enough) is “somebody in the future”, which is done by borrowing money. There’s only a finite amount of time you can do this before running into consequences…the question is what is that time?

It’s slowly catching up to Europe, but it’s an incredibly old and foreseeable problem. Just looking at ancient Rome, emperors had to increasingly bribe various factions to maintain power: the Praetorian Guard directly, but the city of Rome’s populace especially, through the often quoted “bread and circuses”. To keep support, you had to increase what was given over the previous emperor, or people got restless. Once the empire stopped expanding and generating additional wealth through conquest, that model can only be sustained for a limited time. While the fall of Rome had many causes, this unsustainable economic model, the mother of all welfare states, was a significant contributer.

We’re not at that point in the US yet, but it’s the logical progression. What started out as small programs to provide a “safety net” for a limited populace (orphans and widows), or temporary situation (unemployment) grow in scope. Inherently, conservatives view government as inefficient, and a poor means for generating the most efficiency for resources, and would prefer to attempt to provide people the means of taking care of themselves through support of business (and therefore job creation) and easier maintenance of personal wealth,. Where, and how, that line is determined seems to me to be the crux of the difference between conservatives and progressives. I'll treat social issues as something completely separate, as that topic often shuffles people around.

So, how does this relate to the debt ceiling debate? The tea party was elected by the hardcore, fiscally-restrictive, limited government wing of the conservatives. Unlike Traditional Republicans and progressives, these people didn’t follow the established pattern of talking about responsible spending and then continuing massive government expenditures, they are honestly expecting significant cuts in government spending in order to avert what they see as the only other outcome…more severe and draconian austerity measures such as we’re seeing in the PIGS of Europe. The Republican leadership entered the current debt ceiling debate under the previous notions of raising a ruckus about irresponsible spending, scoring political points with a few slight of hand numbers tricks that make it look like a lot of money is being cut from expenditures, and then we go back to normal. The tea party isn’t up for that game.

As an aside, the reason why tea partiers keep addressing things like SS for savings is because, like many city and local governments are finding out, while there may be a trust fund of some sort, most retirement plans that were promised were too good to be true. They’re effectively a Ponzi scheme, and individuals draw out more than they put in, even with compounding interest. Again, it’s easier to adjust these programs well before the obvious breaking point, but politically unpleasant, so it keeps getting pushed off as “the next guy’s problem”.

Despite all the vitriol-filled threads I see here, I hope most of you don’t honestly view all Republicans as racist, uneducated troglodytes that want to curb stomp the poor and destroy the earth, air and water. Contrary to popular belief, we drink, eat and breathe, too. Hopefully you view us as I view you…grossly misinformed but well intentioned. Also, I don't really follow Free Republic, i'm more of an Aces of Spades HQ type of moron.

Ok, flame suit activated!

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grimaldi (2 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sat Jul-30-11 08:41 PM
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110. Previous debt ceiling votes are irrelevant
   
As I said, past votes have been a kabuki theater of the party out of power resisting on the grounds of fiscal responsibility while those in power try to pass debt ceiling increases as quickly as possible, but in the end both sides just want carte blanche to spend more money. Perhaps different amounts, perhaps different priorities, but government spending nonetheless.

As the infamous "never let a crisis go to waste" implies, nothing substantial gets done if there isn't a crisis. Tea Partiers have generated this crisis, specifically to break the cycle of constant debt increases with no consequences.

Why is the SS program targeted? Because that's where lots of money is. All the excess money in the trust fund is converted to gov't bonds, so it's all money the federal government is obligated to pay in the future. Whether loaning to the Chinese, our ourselves, we still end up increasing the debt, and while the ramifications for being in debt to ourselves may be less than to some foreign entity, there are still consequences. It's also, in many ways, the easiest to approach because politicians are generally spineless weenies that want to appear to cut the budget without actually reducing people's benefits. If you make cuts to future recipients, you can project (and probably realize, eventually) savings without directly impacting people today...by the time that future group is impacted, you're retired out of office. Looking at polls, many young people already believe SS will be reduced or gone by the time the reach recipient age, so even if it doesn't happen today, it keeps increasing acceptance that the program is going to reduce in scope. Plus it has always been a sticking point for conservatives, and as it grows in scope and people rely on it more and more for their basic livelihood, conservatives view people as losing more and more personal freedom.

As for Rome, I did mention there were many factors (plague, increasingly large and effective enemies, etc) but economic malaise, much of which was caused by the constantly growing annona, can't be excluded.
Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: USA4ME on July 30, 2011, 08:39:17 PM
Figured I should save these 2 posts as they will likely disappear as soon as the mods sober up.


Good post.  The rex primitive did nothing but spit and sputter about things they can't even begin to understand.

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Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: franksolich on July 30, 2011, 09:05:28 PM
Well, the two posts are still there (circa 9:00 p.m. central time, 8:00 p.m. mountain time).

And there's been this:

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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Fri Jul-29-11 09:36 PM
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54. Careful. frankie the wanker will make fun of you
   
And his merry band of mouth breathing, knuckle dragging, low brow wankers will all jump in with puerile, sycophantic quips.

I'm amazed at how little it takes to amuse even those small minds.
Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: Freeper on July 30, 2011, 09:07:08 PM
Well, the two posts are still there (circa 9:00 p.m. central time, 8:00 p.m. mountain time).

And there's been this:


I know you lurk here DUDE, how about you come out of hiding and come school us knuckle dragging freepers?
Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: thundley4 on July 30, 2011, 09:13:24 PM
I know you lurk here DUDE, how about you come out of hiding and come school us knuckle dragging freepers?


The dude claims to be registered here.  Too bad sparkly won't let him access any sites but DU.
Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: franksolich on July 30, 2011, 09:14:08 PM
I know you lurk here DUDE, how about you come out of hiding and come school us knuckle dragging freepers?


Because our pal Vinnie's un uomo senza pene.
Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: GOBUCKS on July 30, 2011, 09:16:20 PM
Because our pal Vinnie's un uomo senza pene.
Coach, Cigarette Girl, and My Cousin Vinny are the only ones who know what that means.
Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: Freeper on July 30, 2011, 09:17:49 PM
The dude claims to be registered here.  Too bad sparkly won't let him access any sites but DU.

He may claim that, but you have to remember Frank's first law of primitives, primitives lie, all the time.

Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: franksolich on July 30, 2011, 09:18:03 PM
Coach, Cigarette Girl, and My Cousin Vinny are the only ones who know what that means.

Basically, it means the sparkling husband dude doesn't have anything to wank.

In cleaner words than that, though.
Title: Re: DUmmy Pedro Picasso Thinks Decent And Civilized People Are "Stupid"
Post by: Skul on July 30, 2011, 09:48:12 PM
When Bally gets a hold of you squirrels, it ain't gonna be pretty. :popcorn: