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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Freeper on July 12, 2011, 12:53:59 PM
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jul-12-11 01:30 PM
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Obama just said that Social Security checks may not go out after Aug.3!
Edited on Tue Jul-12-11 01:32 PM by senseandsensibility
Just heard on Thom Hartmann. Is he finally playing hardball?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1473281
Here we go folks, they pulled the scare the crap out of old folks trick out of the bag, right on cue.
monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jul-12-11 01:32 PM
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1. Yes. It is now on the repubs to get their asses in gear or else...n/t
The repubs asses are in gear, that's why 0bama doesn't have his deal.
kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jul-12-11 01:32 PM
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He's playing with fire. If he loses the senior vote over this, we get
the theocracy the Repigs have been salivating over in 2012.
I hear if the repukes win that church attendance will be mandatory.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jul-12-11 01:30 PM
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Obama just said that Social Security checks may not go out after Aug.3!
and grandma will be forced to eat dog food.
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and grandma will be forced to eat dog food.
The good news is the pet food industry and the can opener makers will be raking in the dough. :-)
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Isn't SS one of those things that would still be funded with tax receipts?
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O rly? The SS fund, from which Treasury borrows money, doesn't have the reserves in its own account to pay one month's worth of benefits...? I find that hard to believe.
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O rly? The SS fund, from which Treasury borrows money, doesn't have the reserves in its own account to pay one month's worth of benefits...? I find that hard to believe.
The way they spend money, I believe it to be possible, however I'm certain this is a stunt to try to make the repukes cave.
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DUmmies find a silver lining, not worth a new thread for this,
Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jul-12-11 01:47 PM
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If no debt deal means no Social Security checks, does it also mean no more war?
Edited on Tue Jul-12-11 01:48 PM by Karmadillo
If we can't pay Social Security checks out of the Social Security trust fund, which is currently running a surplus, where would we get the money to pay for the Forever War?
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jul-12-11 01:48 PM
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1. how about no congressional pay AND no war?
How about no congressional pay until, they balance the budget, and for every tax raise they get a percentage of their pay reduced? Bet the dems would become champions of tax cuts and spending cuts over night.
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I bet the welfare checks and EBT cards will go out.
If Obama does not send out SS, military pay, veterans payments I want all of America to know what does go out.
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The good news is the pet food industry and the can opener makers will be raking in the dough. :-)
MMmmm.. Purina Human Chow.... :-)
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Actually Obama was lying (whoda guessed it?) Or even more likely simply ignorant..........
At this point in the month of July it's impossible to recode and reprogram the SS computers to prevent August payments........September maybe, but August is already being totaled for printing and direct deposit.
The Social Security system is like a huge "supertanker".......you can reverse the engines all you want, but it will still require ten miles to stop it.......
doc
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Actually Obama was lying (whoda guessed it?) Or even more likely simply ignorant..........
At this point in the month of July it's impossible to recode and reprogram the SS computers to prevent August payments........September maybe, but August is already being totaled for printing and direct deposit.
The Social Security system is like a huge "supertanker".......you can reverse the engines all you want, but it will still require ten miles to stop it.......
doc
I don't know. They sure dialed back military pay in a hurry when they were not going to pay them.
I remember not much from the DUmmies on that one I remember.
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I don't know. They sure dialed back military pay in a hurry when they were not going to pay them.
I remember not much from the DUmmies on that one I remember.
Military pay (active duty) is a totally different and far smaller system.
SS, SSDI, SSI, and military retirement (paid through the same system) requires over 70 MILLION checks or deposits.....you can't stop that on a dime.....
doc
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O rly? The SS fund, from which Treasury borrows money, doesn't have the reserves in its own account to pay one month's worth of benefits...? I find that hard to believe.
WHAT????...Well then, who stole the lock box? :-)
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The dems used the lock box for a nice new Houka for their Hopium and Changium
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Actually Obama was lying (whoda guessed it?) Or even more likely simply ignorant..........
At this point in the month of July it's impossible to recode and reprogram the SS computers to prevent August payments........September maybe, but August is already being totaled for printing and direct deposit.
The Social Security system is like a huge "supertanker".......you can reverse the engines all you want, but it will still require ten miles to stop it.......
doc
Yeah...the operative phrase in that little bombshell was AFTER August 3, which means the impact would be at the END of August, not the beginning.
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Actually Obama was lying (whoda guessed it?) Or even more likely simply ignorant..........
At this point in the month of July it's impossible to recode and reprogram the SS computers to prevent August payments........September maybe, but August is already being totaled for printing and direct deposit.
The Social Security system is like a huge "supertanker".......you can reverse the engines all you want, but it will still require ten miles to stop it.......
doc
There is a plug somewhere right? Just saying.
Last thing I heard on talking head Sunday was that SS was solvent for 25 years. How is it that all of a sudden it is INSOLVENT as of the 2nd of August 2011. Politicians LYING? Say it aint so.
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Rush had a good point today about this.
IF the SS checks stop, like Lord Zero says they will, THAT means SS is being paid with BORROWED money.
SS is supposed to be running a surplus, and be solvent for another 5-25 years, depending on who's talking.
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, the trillion dollar question is":
"Where's the money, Barry?"
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Here we go folks, they pulled the scare the crap out of old folks trick out of the bag, right on cue.
For the last 70 years, it has never failed to work. And it will work this time as well.
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I heard that all the crazy people will be turned loose fron their nut houses if the Repugs don't agree with the Demorats...
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Cry baby Boenher and lame brain McConnell will cave on the debt ceiling, spending cuts will be minimall like last time around, and the Repubs will look like fools once again. You can book it. Boenher even tried to sell tax increases to the newly elected Tea Party members. How stupid can he be.
SS checks will go out. Tax cheat Tim and Obummer are lying.
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There was a senator on NPR (missed his name, darn it) who made the strong point that there is a law requiring SS checks and payments to be made even in a government shut down. He referenced that law because they had introduced a bill that would force military pay to be made even in a shut down, and the Dims had refused to vote on that law...threatened to filibuster if it came to the floor. Weirdly enough, I haven't seen that story hit our MSM??? How can that be, that our supposedly non-biased media would ignore the Democrats deliberately refusing to pass a law that guarantees military pay??? Not to mention the massive silence about the law that guarantees SS checks. :???: :???: :???:
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Big Brother certainly has the MSM in his back pocket.
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There was a senator on NPR (missed his name, darn it) who made the strong point that there is a law requiring SS checks and payments to be made even in a government shut down. He referenced that law because they had introduced a bill that would force military pay to be made even in a shut down, and the Dims had refused to vote on that law...threatened to filibuster if it came to the floor. Weirdly enough, I haven't seen that story hit our MSM??? How can that be, that our supposedly non-biased media would ignore the Democrats deliberately refusing to pass a law that guarantees military pay??? Not to mention the massive silence about the law that guarantees SS checks. :???: :???: :???:
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Big Brother certainly has the MSM in his back pocket by his balls.
And vise versa.
Now the question, who will yank first?
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There is a plug somewhere right? Just saying.
Last thing I heard on talking head Sunday was that SS was solvent for 25 years. How is it that all of a sudden it is INSOLVENT as of the 2nd of August 2011. Politicians LYING? Say it aint so.
I like that very much. SS is insolvent and has been since LBJ started looting the 'lock box' to pay for the Great Society or as it is better known the black vote buy off. Remember that senors. The black vote buy off was done with your money and with little to no regard for your security.
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Gullible thy name is DUmp.
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There was a senator on NPR (missed his name, darn it) who made the strong point that there is a law requiring SS checks and payments to be made even in a government shut down. He referenced that law because they had introduced a bill that would force military pay to be made even in a shut down, and the Dims had refused to vote on that law...threatened to filibuster if it came to the floor. Weirdly enough, I haven't seen that story hit our MSM??? How can that be, that our supposedly non-biased media would ignore the Democrats deliberately refusing to pass a law that guarantees military pay??? Not to mention the massive silence about the law that guarantees SS checks. :???: :???: :???:
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Big Brother certainly has the MSM in his back pocket.
Unfortunately, the bolded statement is correct.....just to an extent......the law states that SS checks must be paid, however it does not stipulate WHEN they must be paid.
The executive branch (through the treasury dept.) has the legal authority to prioritize payments in the event of a shutdown. IOW, they can state what gets paid and what does not......on a purely arbitrary basis. They can delay SS payments, but just like paychecks to unionized government employees, eventually the payments must be made.
Obama would never do it, but in the event the debt ceiling increase is not authorized by congress, slashing the budgets of the EPA, HUD, HHS, DoA, and DoE would more than cover the difference........shut them all down, and nobody (but their employees) would know the difference.........which is exactly why he WON'T do it that way.......
doc