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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: FiddyBeowulf on July 08, 2011, 11:44:27 AM
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A non-debt ceiling topic to cleanse the pallet.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1435158 (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1435158)
Ahhhh...nothing like some white guilt to pump up one's progressive street cred.
Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-07-11 02:33 PM
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White Male Privilge: Most people don't "get it"
And by "get it" I mean notice and realize that our society favors white people, and especially white men.
I work in Oakland. There are a lot of African Americans here in this city. The building I work in is highly secured: in fact there is a security guard at the bottom floor.
I am white. I never have to show my badge to get in the building. Half the time its all wrapped around my wallet (don't ask) and showing the blank side. Black employees, however, always show their badge. When they don't, they get asked to. I never see white people getting pulled aside.
That is just one example.
It extends to everything, from parking spaces to restaurants. I have seen groups of whtie people who arrived after black people getting priority seating. They also get seated first. Usually the hostess will seat the black people in the back, and the white and non-black people near the front.
This is in 'liberal' Oakland, a town which I really do feel is more liberal than most.Keep this in the back of your head while reading his post.
If I can take notice of this just after a few weeks, just imagine what goes on behind closed doors.
Let me add that elevators are an interesting experience. I've seen elevators with white people never trying to hold the door if a black employee wants in, but if the elevator has black people, they will go out of their way to let a white person in.
Again, I don't think this is conscious racism. This isn't people trying to show privilege to whites. This is subconscious, but that doesn't make it any more or less real.
So the next time you hear about "White Male Privilege" don't roll your eyes. It exists.
::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
If you did not work in a liberal city maybe the WMP would not be so bad.
A DUmmie who has a some real world experience tries to add some real world knowledge into this thread:
lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-07-11 02:45 PM
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6. I'm a white male. I own a business.
If I bid on a government contract against woman-owned business and another vendor which is a minority-owned business, everything else being equal, I'll be in third place.
That's just the way it is. I don't really think it's wrong (especially not for minority owned businesses), but if you're telling me that the reason for the policy is because white people don't hold elevator doors...
That privilege (to the degree that it exists) is offset by legal, institutionalized and accepted discrimination. It's not at all subconscious, invisible or hard to detect.
And is deflected by another DUmmie:
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-07-11 02:49 PM
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7. and in a private company if a white man, woman or minority were to bid, as likely the white man
Edited on Thu Jul-07-11 02:50 PM by seabeyond
would get it even if his bid was much higher than the other two. gotta finish the story. that is the inherent privilege
Another DUmmie adds an additional parameter to the WMP:
LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-07-11 02:59 PM
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12. I would modify that to White Straight Male
Because White Gay Males are in the same boat with the rest of us
Your thread requires more cowbell!
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-07-11 03:03 PM
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14. This is true - however there is no gay male dress code
And pink triangles have been out of fashion for a while
General Strike NOW!!!
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-07-11 09:40 PM
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79. There is
It's much like the sexism of body image women have to put up with, the same is true for most gay males.
Don't trust everything you think.
And to put some whipped creme on this piece of guilt pie:
N7Shepard (14 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-07-11 04:10 PM
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42. As someone who started life as a white man and is now a white woman, it's completely obvious
Only on DU could a discussion on race ever have a post like that. It has to be someone's mole establishing some cred. If it is, stop being so obvious. If not...
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May the mole, lumberjack_jeff, rest in peace because everyone knows no DUmmie has ever had a business capable of bidding on anything.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-07-11 02:45 PM
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6. I'm a white male. I own a business.
If I bid on a government contract against woman-owned business and another vendor which is a minority-owned business, everything else being equal, I'll be in third place.
That's just the way it is. I don't really think it's wrong (especially not for minority owned businesses), but if you're telling me that the reason for the policy is because white people don't hold elevator doors...
That privilege (to the degree that it exists) is offset by legal, institutionalized and accepted discrimination. It's not at all subconscious, invisible or hard to detect.
I attended a seminar a few tears ago on how to go about getting government contract work as a small business. After it was all done I had the opportunity to have dinner with the guys doing the seminar and they flat out told me to not waste my time. Being a white, male small software business I didn't have a chance of getting anything.
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-07-11 02:49 PM
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7. and in a private company if a white man, woman or minority were to bid, as likely the white man
Edited on Thu Jul-07-11 02:50 PM by seabeyond
would get it even if his bid was much higher than the other two. gotta finish the story. that is the inherent privilege
:bs:
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Just damn. Is there anything you DUmpmonkies won't bitch about?
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Damn, I guess that being told that I "didn't have a chance" when appling for a State job (I was 18 at the time, so it was the late 70's) because I wasn't a minority was just a bad dream, right?
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I get privileges being a white male?
Please, name them.
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Seabeyond is obviously 100% ignorant of the 'Minority and woman-owned business' preference laws in Federal contracting which lumberjack_jeff is talking about, but feels like shooting off her stupid mouth anyway.
Here's a clue, seabeyond: whining about how the cards are stacked against you, and not even knowing the opposite is true in the case you're talking about, is not a good way to persuade anyone that you're smarter or more capable than a male who does have the facts right, even a DUmmie male.
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They all dream of a color blind society. That's as far as they care to go though. As soon as colleges start talking about using merit instead of race as the means to admission they all cry foul.
I would love to see our colleges admit based on merit only. Tough shit that there is going to be more asians in the classes than any other race. They've EARNED it.
Come defend that shit DUmmies.
KC
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I would love to see our colleges admit based on merit only. Tough shit that there is going to be more asians in the classes than any other race. They've EARNED it.
If that ever happens, you'll start seeing teacher's unions go bye bye. They won't be able to explain why so many aren't getting accepted into college in certain areas and it'll fall directly on them.
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I get privileges being a white male?
Please, name them.
You don't get your check every month? PM me and I'll forward it to the disbursement department.
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A lot of smart black guys have made very lucrative careers out of being the black face of a white business for contracting purposes.
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If that ever happens, you'll start seeing teacher's unions go bye bye. They won't be able to explain why so many aren't getting accepted into college in certain areas and it'll fall directly on them.
The libs are fighting it tooth and nail. (http://www.freep.com/article/20110701/NEWS06/110701024/Federal-court-Michigan-ban-race-college-admissions-illegal)
Like I said, they all want to talk about a color blind society but they don't really want one.
KC
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I have to chime in about the elevator comment.
There is a fear of the sensor on the door not working and having my fingers crushed. I use the actual button if I can get to it in time. It has nothing to do with skin color. I just want to keep my fingers.
I do have a problem sharing an elevator with stinky people thought.
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I have to chime in about the elevator comment.
There is a fear of the sensor on the door not working and having my fingers crushed. I use the actual button if I can get to it in time. It has nothing to do with skin color. I just want to keep my fingers.
I do have a problem sharing an elevator with stinky people thought.
That's why I always fart just before I get off so no one will have to share the elevator with me. It's the least I can do.
KC
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I get privileges being a white male?
Please, name them.
That's the bitch of this whole deal.
I get really aggravated when people assume franksolich has one up on them because he's covered by "affirmative action."
My ass, I'm covered.
It covers only two certain demographic groups important to the Democrats.
If one's blind or deaf or wheelchaired or Vietnamese or Texan (at least in Nebraska), "affirmative action" doesn't do shit.
It covers only two certain demographic groups important to the Democrats, no one else.
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I get privileges being a white male?
Please, name them.
Well, I don't know about you, but my husband gets the privilege of supporting me in the style to which I've become accustomed!
Cindie
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The only "privilege" I've received from being a straight, white, Christian, Southern male is that I've had to work harder for what I have.
Oh, and DUmbass Taverner, I've got one word for you: Bullshit.
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Taverner needs to move out to the Bible Belt. Here in Flyover Jesusland, people are treated like people. Those big cities are full of Democrats, so probably do base all their actions on race and sex, and definitely religion. :lmao:
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I get privileges being a white male?
Please, name them.
Apparently (so I've been told), we'll get picked for jobs first and things like that and naturally be better off. I don't see it but that's what I keep getting told.
They also get seated first. Usually the hostess will seat the black people in the back, and the white and non-black people near the front.
:bs:
I've seen elevators with white people never trying to hold the door if a black employee wants in, but if the elevator has black people, they will go out of their way to let a white person in.
Again, :bs:.
Although to be fair, I make sure to press the close door button when I see anyone who's not me. :fuelfire:
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Apparently (so I've been told), we'll get picked for jobs first and things like that and naturally be better off. I don't see it but that's what I keep getting told.
:bs:
Again, :bs:.
Although to be fair, I make sure to press the close door button when I see anyone who's not me. :fuelfire:
The only ones I close elevator doors on are Canadians. As soon as I see one coming to an elevator I'm on I have to make a decision as to whether I can close the door quick enough or not. If the answer is no then I simply step off the elevator like I was getting off rather than taking a ride.
Can't stand 'those' people.
:tongue:
KC
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At Cracker Barrels here in red state hell, they have special tables in the kitchen for customers of color. Really.
If you were a morphine addict like Top DUmmy campaigner Taverner, you would have already known that.
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The only ones I close elevator doors on are Canadians. As soon as I see one coming to an elevator I'm on I have to make a decision as to whether I can close the door quick enough or not. If the answer is no then I simply step off the elevator like I was getting off rather than taking a ride.
Can't stand 'those' people.
:tongue:
KC
Lol, Hi5 :)
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MrScorpio
28. Here's a great video that everyone can share with those who aren't so sure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UJlNRODZHA
Oh looky, the boy primitive has to show up and declare that he's being kept down by the man. No, his inability to advance in life has nothing to do with how stupid he is. :whatever:
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This WMP fad is starting to pick up steam. You are supposed to become an "ally" and some stupid crap like that.
I am so sick of the race meme, I generally ignore it by rote. But I have been noticing this, "if you are a white male you are a secret racist and if you don't admit to being a secret racist, you are a secret racist" meme more and more in the past month.
I am not a Progressive/Marxist/Liberal or Democrat so I know I am not a racist.
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My husband's last job that was in El Segundo, everyone (black, brown or white) had to show their ID EVERYTIME they walked in the door.
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They all dream of a color blind society. That's as far as they care to go though. As soon as colleges start talking about using merit instead of race as the means to admission they all cry foul.
I would love to see our colleges admit based on merit only. Tough shit that there is going to be more asians in the classes than any other race. They've EARNED it.
Come defend that shit DUmmies.
KC
No they don't, they are like Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, the less race matters to the country the more they squeal about it.
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I have to chime in about the elevator comment.
There is a fear of the sensor on the door not working and having my fingers crushed. I use the actual button if I can get to it in time. It has nothing to do with skin color. I just want to keep my fingers.
I do have a problem sharing an elevator with stinky people though.
:o
You're a stinkyist? Shame on you. :-)
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:o
You're a stinkyist? Shame on you. :-)
I hate all Stinkies. There, I said it.
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White male privilege? :bs: :mental: :???:
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My husband's last job that was in El Segundo, everyone (black, brown or white) had to show their ID EVERYTIME they walked in the door.
Same with the defense industry. I don't care if you're a white private or a black 2-star General, and I've seen many of black field grade and general officers check in at the Myer Center at Monmouth. ...as did the white, female, Hispanic, and every other special interest group the DUmpmonkies like to place Americans into. If they lose that one thing, they'll never get elected again.
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Seabeyond is a flaming dipshit. The poster said GOVERNMENT CONTRACT!! The gov has so many 'brownie points' that will put you ahead in their game and being female and/or minority are two biggies.
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Seabeyond is a flaming dipshit. The poster said GOVERNMENT CONTRACT!! The gov has so many 'brownie points' that will put you ahead in their game and being female and/or minority are two biggies.
I could say something, but I won't. PM me if you're wondering, or FB message me. The premise is, you are dead on balls accurate.
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Seabeyond is a flaming dipshit. The poster said GOVERNMENT CONTRACT!! The gov has so many 'brownie points' that will put you ahead in their game and being female and/or minority are two biggies.
Hell............a Native American owned business will get it ahead of them every time.
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Seabeyond is a flaming dipshit. The poster said GOVERNMENT CONTRACT!! The gov has so many 'brownie points' that will put you ahead in their game and being female and/or minority are two biggies.
During my fed employment P&C awarded a contract to a minority business for window washing. The "company" arrived for work (late) and we had to supply them with ladders, towels and cleanser. Our ladders weren't tall enough to reach beyond the second floor so 3 through 6 didn't get done. This was the typical scenario.
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During my fed employment P&C awarded a contract to a minority business for window washing. The "company" arrived for work (late) and we had to supply them with ladders, towels and cleanser. Our ladders weren't tall enough to reach beyond the second floor so 3 through 6 didn't get done. This was the typical scenario.
Of that, I have no doubt.
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el_bryanto (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-07-11 04:06 PM
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19. It clearly exists
Consider non-verbal societal clues. Someone who has grown up in white society, knows instinctively how to sit and how to talk to give the message to other white people "I'm a serious and competent person." Someone who goes up in a different society or subculture doesn't necessarily know those signs.
I think white people resist the idea for a number of reasons, but one is that they feel it implies they don't deserve what they have. This was my initial response when first exposed to the idea a while back, I have to admit. They might take it as the sole explanation as opposed to part of the mix. I have my life style because I worked hard, did reasonably well in school, learned my job, caught a few lucky breaks, and because I'm white.
I don't know, past affirmative action programs, how you fix this problem though.
Bryant
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Code language, dog whistles, and now non-verbal societal clues. I can envision a niche for an enterprising black entrepreneur: Open up a charm school for blacks. The Thurston Howell Academy, maybe?