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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: Hawk on June 29, 2011, 11:52:15 AM
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Former CIA analyst Ray McGovern:
http://therealnews.com/t2/component/content/article/57-ray-mcgovern/679-gaza-cradle-of-killing-americans-too
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I also have been cautioned by a source with access to very senior staffers at the National Security Council that not only does the White House plan to do absolutely nothing to protect our boat from Israeli attack or illegal boarding, but that White House officials "would be happy if something happened to us." They are, I am reliably told, "perfectly willing to have the cold corpses of activists shown on American TV."
Former UK Ambassador Craig Murray:
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2011/06/obama-wants-more-dead-rachel-corries-to-boost-aipac-standing/
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...I set my own diplomatic sources to work in Washington, without giving them any indication of Ray’s information. They came back with an independent report from a different source – close to Clinton rather than the White House – with exactly the same result of which Ray was warned. I was told that Obama will welcome an Israeli attack on the US ship, as giving him a chance to confirm his pro-Israeli credentials and improve his standing with AIPAC ahead of the Presidential election race. Fatalities would be "not a problem".
There was no information that the Obama regime has quietly given Netanyahu a green light to attack the ship. But I strongly expect they will; by deniable means, of course.
Salon writer Glenn Greenwald:
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/06/27/israel?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+salon%2Fgreenwald+%28Glenn+Greenwald%29
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But over the weekend, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton also gave her views on the flotilla, and while her rhetoric was somewhat more restrained than that quoted above, she also seemed to endorse possible violence by this foreign nation against her own country's peacefully protesting citizens:
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Well, we do not believe that the flotilla is a necessary or useful effort to try to assist the people of Gaza. Just this week, the Israeli Government approved a significant commitment to housing in Gaza. There will be construction materials entering Gaza and we think that it's not helpful for there to be flotillas that try to provoke actions by entering into Israeli waters and creating a situation in which the Israelis have the right to defend themselves.
Though Clinton's language was draped with the subtleties of diplomatese, there is little doubt that she, too, is justifying a potential attack by a foreign government on unarmed American protesters (ironically, Clinton's remarks came at the same Press Conference where she impugned the patriotism of others -- namely, critics of the Libya War -- by branding them as "on Gadaffi's side").
Administration throwing Americans under the bus, again.
ETA;links
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More far-left ranting:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x356826
might as well go over there where YOU belong.
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I couldn't give a rat's ass one way or the other if they do get sunk and become sharkbait, however I fail to see how that does anything positive for Obama, particularly on the 'pro-Iraeli credentials' bit of fantasy. All it could possibly do is make him look even more spastic and ineffective than he already does. I suppose Hillary might like that on a personal level, but it's a bit late in the game for her to hop in as a 2012 challenger at this point.
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I couldn't give a rat's ass one way or the other if they do get sunk and become sharkbait, however I fail to see how that does anything positive for Obama, particularly on the 'pro-Iraeli credentials' bit of fantasy. All it could possibly do is make him look even more spastic and ineffective than he already does. I suppose Hillary might like that on a personal level, but it's a bit late in the game for her to hop in as a 2012 challenger at this point.
I think anytime the government condones something like this for any reason, that it is a serious problem. Yes, they should know better. Personally I don't care if Israel and Palestine wipe each other off the face of the world, but to deliberately turn the back to American citizens like this, to me, is inexcusable.
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My God, I'm in agreement with the idiots in the Obama Administration. Somebody check the thermostat in Hell. I, too, "plan to do absolutely nothing to protect [y]our boat from Israeli attack or
illegal boarding, [and I] "would be happy if something happened to [you]." [I am also], "perfectly willing to have the cold corpses of activists worthless leftist scumbags shown on American TV."
Wow; broken clock principle? :confused:
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I think anytime the government condones something like this for any reason, that it is a serious problem. Yes, they should know better. Personally I don't care if Israel and Palestine wipe each other off the face of the world, but to deliberately turn the back to American citizens like this, to me, is inexcusable.
Ask Rachel Corrie how it worked out for her......
Anyone, American or not, attempting to run an Israeli blockade that was established to prevent weapons delivery to Gaza is interfering in the affairs of another sovereign nation.......Gaza is not a "nation" but a collection of terrorists......Gaza has no right to marine sovereignty......the waters off Gaza are Israeli territory under maritime law. They are perfectly justified in taking any action deemed necessary to prevent any incursion into their waters.
There is a procedure in place for interested parties to provide aid to Gaza through the UN.....with Israel's blessing (the Israeli Army will even truck it in from the port of Haifa at no charge, once it has been thoroughly inspected), but that appears not to be the motive here.........one wonders what that motive is.......
In principle, it's no different from our policy on preventing some crazy raghead from smuggling a WMD into the US......based on your above comments I assume you'd be OK with that?!?
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Ask Rachel Corrie how it worked out for her......
Anyone, American or not, attempting to run an Israeli blockade that was established to prevent weapons delivery to Gaza is interfering in the affairs of another sovereign nation.......Gaza is not a "nation" but a collection of terrorists......Gaza has no right to marine sovereignty......the waters off Gaza are Israeli territory under maritime law. They are perfectly justified in taking any action deemed necessary to prevent any incursion into their waters.
There is a procedure in place for interested parties to provide aid to Gaza through the UN.....with Israel's blessing (the Israeli Army will even truck it in from the port of Haifa at no charge, once it has been thoroughly inspected), but that appears not to be the motive here.........one wonders what that motive is.......
In principle, it's no different from our policy on preventing some crazy raghead from smuggling a WMD into the US......based on your above comments I assume you'd be OK with that?!?
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Don't you honestly think that Israel is fully capable of turning back a flotilla of misguided hippies without resorting to blowing them out of the water or machine gunning the decks? Aside from that, it's the administrations attitude about wanting them harmed that offends me.
What have we come to as a nation when we condone such things? Is it acceptable to waive our humanity for some imagined political gain?
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I think anytime the government condones something like this for any reason, that it is a serious problem. Yes, they should know better. Personally I don't care if Israel and Palestine wipe each other off the face of the world, but to deliberately turn the back to American citizens like this, to me, is inexcusable.
I also couldn't give a rat's ass about American citizens who knowingly put themselves in dangerous situations overseas in pursuit of their own stupid political agendas. It's a tough world, and you play that shit in the part of it that's 'Not America' entirely at your own risk, and the US does not owe you one damned thing toward getting you out of your own self-inflicted jam.
Our people overseas who are minding their own business, going about clearly-lawful affairs, not meddling in foreign political issues, and who are then victimized by pirates, terrorists, kidnappers, or other miscellaneous rat-bastards are another story entirely. THOSE are the ones we DO need to rescue, as well as deliver appropriate smitings all around to the guilty parties.
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Do you guys remember the part of the movie "Liar, liar" where Jim Carey's character tells Tex Cobb's character to "Stop breaking the law, asshole"? I think that this situation is a lot like that.
If you don't want to end up fish food, don't run the friggin' blockade. Seems pretty clear cut to me.
Don't you honestly think that Israel is fully capable of turning back a flotilla of misguided hippies without resorting to blowing them out of the water or machine gunning the decks?
I think a better question would be why would Israel want to put their men and equipment in close contact with terrorists/terrorist supporters when they could eliminate the problem from a distance? Make no mistake, non state supported individuals running a blockade is a terrorist act and I would expect the Israeli government to take full measure against what would be the definition of terrorist activity by enemy combatants.
These fools have been warned, repeatedly, and they still want to try and run a blockade. If I were a commander on the ground, I would have to deduce that these goons are either aiding terrorists who are killing my countrymen or they are the stupidest idiots on the face of the Earth. Either way, they won't make it past the blockade.
Besides, I think you may have prematurely gotten your panties in a bit a knot over anyone being blown up or machine gunned on the decks. Until it happens, don't run around in a circle like a little bitch, okay?
What have we come to as a nation when we condone such things? Is it acceptable to waive our humanity for some imagined political gain?
Get back to me when the left stops walking on the dead members of the military to score their points.
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Mods, is it me or does this particular thread seem more suited for Mind Numbing Stupidity?
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Do you guys remember the part of the movie "Liar, liar" where Jim Carey's character tells Tex Cobb's character to "Stop breaking the law, asshole"? I think that this situation is a lot like that.
If you don't want to end up fish food, don't run the friggin' blockade. Seems pretty clear cut to me.
I think a better question would be why would Israel want to put their men and equipment in close contact with terrorists/terrorist supporters when they could eliminate the problem from a distance? Make no mistake, non state supported individuals running a blockade is a terrorist act and I would expect the Israeli government to take full measure against what would be the definition of terrorist activity by enemy combatants.
These fools have been warned, repeatedly, and they still want to try and run a blockade. If I were a commander on the ground, I would have to deduce that these goons are either aiding terrorists who are killing my countrymen or they are the stupidest idiots on the face of the Earth. Either way, they won't make it past the blockade.
Besides, I think you may have prematurely gotten your panties in a bit a knot over anyone being blown up or machine gunned on the decks. Until it happens, don't run around in a circle like a little bitch, okay?
Get back to me when the left stops walking on the dead members of the military to score their points.
Our Coast Guard seems capable of stopping ships and boats on the high seas daily without blowing them out of the water to do it.
Once again, it is the administration condoning the possible acts of violence against them that I find offensive, not any act that hasn't happened yet.
My wife works at the Wounded Warrior Hospital at Ft. Riley. If you are accusing me of stepping on the corpses of our dead soldiers then I expect an apology. I see regularly what those kids have and are going through and I am furious that they were put in harms way to begin with.
Since I am new here, I will explain yet again that I am not a lib, or left, or any other political persuasion. I think they all reek of corruption, greed and stupidity. I refuse to stand on one side of an imaginary line and screech sound bites and gibberish at whatever the other side may be.
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Wow. Actually supporting left-wing wackjobs breaking international laws and Israel's national sovereignty.
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Wow. Actually supporting left-wing wackjobs breaking international laws and Israel's national sovereignty.
Wow. Reading comprehension fail.
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Our Coast Guard seems capable of stopping ships and boats on the high seas daily without blowing them out of the water to do it.
Lawful ships with lawful loads crewed by sane people vs unlawful ships with unlawful loads crewed by terrorist.
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Lawful ships with lawful loads crewed by sane people vs unlawful ships with unlawful loads crewed by terrorist.
Well, drug runners and smugglers are as a norm fairly well armed and hostile crews. The Coast Guard isn't a walk in the park.
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Don't you honestly think that Israel is fully capable of turning back a flotilla of misguided hippies without resorting to blowing them out of the water or machine gunning the decks? Aside from that, it's the administrations attitude about wanting them harmed that offends me.
What have we come to as a nation when we condone such things? Is it acceptable to waive our humanity for some imagined political gain?
They aren't misguided hippies, they are violent revolutionary Marxists, in other words, regular hippies.
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They aren't misguided hippies, they are violent revolutionary Marxists, in other words, regular hippies.
I wasn't aware there was a difference. :wink:
It's funny, not in a haha way, but when I was a kid, I was a hippie and I was always too damn stoned to do anything, much less be violent. Then it was drugs, sex and rock-n-roll. Then I turned 17.
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So Hawk, welcome to the Cave. Perhaps you could offer some clarity here for me? I'm a little fuzzy on where you're going with all of this.
As I see it this merry band of seagoing hippies has taken it upon themselves to chart a course in harm's way under the disclaimer of flying the "unarmed American protesters" banner. What they fail to accept, IMHO is that just because they see themselves as having no shortage of self perceived merit and righteousness in their cause that doesn't mean the U.S. Government has to even so much as offer an opinion on that one way or the other. It doesn't matter how important they think they are and nobody else is obligated to support them.
Do you feel the Obama Administration is obligated to support them?
I mean who the hell are they, anyway? Just because I fly the Stars and Stripes from my bowsprit (you know, the cute little one with the ring of stars in the blue field and the anchor in the middle?) when I'm out on the river in my little boat fishing doesn't mean I am in command of "an American vessel". My fishing license is not a letter of marque. If I stray too far from the east bank of the river and find myself in Canadian waters I understand I am on my own and do not expect and demand the official support of the U.S. Government in my adventures. Who the hell am I, anyway? Just another Joe Schmoe that went for a float in a boat, that's who. Just a private individual all by my lonesome.
Once this seagoing band of hippies gets out past the 12 mile international limit from our shores they are on their own. If in the event that their ship's registry is revoked at that point (if it hasn't been already) in light of their stated intentions of taking it upon themselves to create an international incident then so be it. The U.S. Government would be absolutely right in doing so. If I hopped into my little boat and crossed the Niagara river, beaching on the Canadian side and sprung out onto their shores, planted the Stars and Stripes, blew a bugle, waved a .45 in the air extolling my fellow Americans to "follow me"! should I expect the Obama Administration to support me? Should I feel outraged and betrayed if he does not?
Do you think the Obama Administration should support me in that?
Are you upset that these "unarmed American protesters" are not receiving Obama's unwavering support in their cause?
Seems like a pretty clear cut example of "suicide by cop" to me.
So, Hawk, did you bring this rant over here to the Cave in order to vent because doing so at the DUmp would get you tombstoned?
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So Hawk, welcome to the Cave. Perhaps you could offer some clarity here for me? I'm a little fuzzy on where you're going with all of this.
As I see it this merry band of seagoing hippies has taken it upon themselves to chart a course in harm's way under the disclaimer of flying the "unarmed American protesters" banner. What they fail to accept, IMHO is that just because they see themselves as having no shortage of self perceived merit and righteousness in their cause that doesn't mean the U.S. Government has to even so much as offer an opinion on that one way or the other. It doesn't matter how important they think they are and nobody else is obligated to support them.
Do you feel the Obama Administration is obligated to support them?
I mean who the hell are they, anyway? Just because I fly the Stars and Stripes from my bowsprit (you know, the cute little one with the ring of stars in the blue field and the anchor in the middle?) when I'm out on the river in my little boat fishing doesn't mean I am in command of "an American vessel". My fishing license is not a letter of marque. If I stray too far from the east bank of the river and find myself in Canadian waters I understand I am on my own and do not expect and demand the official support of the U.S. Government in my adventures. Who the hell am I, anyway? Just another Joe Schmoe that went for a float in a boat, that's who. Just a private individual all by my lonesome.
Once this seagoing band of hippies gets out past the 12 mile international limit from our shores they are on their own. If in the event that their ship's registry is revoked at that point (if it hasn't been already) in light of their stated intentions of taking it upon themselves to create an international incident then so be it. The U.S. Government would be absolutely right in doing so. If I hopped into my little boat and crossed the Niagara river, beaching on the Canadian side and sprung out onto their shores, planted the Stars and Stripes, blew a bugle, waved a .45 in the air extolling my fellow Americans to "follow me"! should I expect the Obama Administration to support me? Should I feel outraged and betrayed if he does not?
Do you think the Obama Administration should support me in that?
Are you upset that these "unarmed American protesters" are not receiving Obama's unwavering support in their cause?
Seems like a pretty clear cut example of "suicide by cop" to me.
So, Hawk, did you bring this rant over here to the Cave in order to vent because doing so at the DUmp would get you tombstoned?
Do I expect support? Well, no, never said that. Once again, what I do object to is the blatant condoning harm to them. I honestly can't see why this is so hard to understand. I have never posted at the DUmp. Don't even know for sure what it is.
Why is that none can accept that I am not left or right?
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I have no problem with a bunch of radical left-wing activists getting bopped on the head by Israel. The term useful idiots apply here and that's what they are.
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Do I expect support? Well, no, never said that. Once again, what I do object to is the blatant condoning harm to them. I honestly can't see why this is so hard to understand. I have never posted at the DUmp. Don't even know for sure what it is.
Why is that none can accept that I am not left or right?
Anything not strongly rooted in conservative philosophy will drift ever increasingly toward liberalism, mental illness and misery.
Now, while I do not agree with it, in the common parlance, "right" generally is shorthand for "conservative" and "left" is everything else.
I don't consider myself "left" or "right" either, but an American with conservative guiding principles. I believe "left" and "right" are terms of the left and both are included on the left, or insane, end of the spectrum. And when we fall into the trap of letting the left define us, it isn't really helpful and confuses debate. When attempting to use words made up and defined by the insane that seem to change on a whim, nothing gets accomplished.
But clearly, when people talk to me, they know I am a conservative. They know what that means. When someone says,"I'm not either left or right" and then refuses to elaborate, that puts people ill-at-ease and there is good reason for that. Many times such people are either condescending a-holes who believe they are superior to everyone and are only engaged in toying with people they feel are inferior and many other times they are simply liberal trolls waiting for some big moment to reveal themselves, or to go off to a liberal website and brag about how they have a bunch of ignorant right-winger, one-eyed, trog-molared inbreds fooled.
Most people are not Zen monks.
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Anything not strongly rooted in conservative philosophy will drift ever increasingly toward liberalism, mental illness and misery.
Now, while I do not agree with it, in the common parlance, "right" generally is shorthand for "conservative" and "left" is everything else.
I don't consider myself "left" or "right" either, but an American with conservative guiding principles. I believe "left" and "right" are terms of the left and both are included on the left, or insane, end of the spectrum. And when we fall into the trap of letting the left define us, it isn't really helpful and confuses debate. When attempting to use words made up and defined by the insane that seem to change on a whim, nothing gets accomplished.
But clearly, when people talk to me, they know I am a conservative. They know what that means. When someone says,"I'm not either left or right" and then refuses to elaborate, that puts people ill-at-ease and there is good reason for that. Many times such people are either condescending a-holes who believe they are superior to everyone and are only engaged in toying with people they feel are inferior and many other times they are simply liberal trolls waiting for some big moment to reveal themselves, or to go off to a liberal website and brag about how they have a bunch of ignorant right-winger, one-eyed, trog-molared inbreds fooled.
Most people are not Zen monks.
Good grief. I am centrist. I think if you can get far enough away from the shrieking both sides are making then you can think a little clearer. I do not feel either superior nor inferior. I have strong feelings about a great many things.
For instance, over the past few decades Congress, legal precedent and the President have been chipping away at the Constitution, until at last it is in a very real threat of simply being ignored, or worse.
I have watched Americans waive basic rights in favor of the illusion of safety over the past 10 years, and do so willingly.
Many of our inner cities are now like third world countries and domestic spending being slashed in favor of two wars.
Our infrastructure is rotten, and not much, if anything is being done about it.
New Orleans, one of our greatest cities is still toiling its way out of the disaster that was Katrina.
This country went from really being number one to not so much anymore.
We are in a very serious economic crisis brought about by greed and wink-wink deals by investors and bankers who in return were bailed out. Manufacturing is leaving like rats off of a sinking ship. People with business degrees, etc are now flipping burgers while bank execs are getting ridiculous bonuses.
I bought an American flag, when i got home it said Made in China.
American soldiers are getting maimed and killed.
Yeah, I am fence sitting, not really.
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Anything not strongly rooted in conservative philosophy will drift ever increasingly toward liberalism, mental illness and misery.
Now, while I do not agree with it, in the common parlance, "right" generally is shorthand for "conservative" and "left" is everything else.
I don't consider myself "left" or "right" either, but an American with conservative guiding principles. I believe "left" and "right" are terms of the left and both are included on the left, or insane, end of the spectrum. And when we fall into the trap of letting the left define us, it isn't really helpful and confuses debate. When attempting to use words made up and defined by the insane that seem to change on a whim, nothing gets accomplished.
But clearly, when people talk to me, they know I am a conservative. They know what that means. When someone says,"I'm not either left or right" and then refuses to elaborate, that puts people ill-at-ease and there is good reason for that. Many times such people are either condescending a-holes who believe they are superior to everyone and are only engaged in toying with people they feel are inferior and many other times they are simply liberal trolls waiting for some big moment to reveal themselves, or to go off to a liberal website and brag about how they have a bunch of ignorant right-winger, one-eyed, trog-molared inbreds fooled.
Most people are not Zen monks.
Yup.^
Hawk I sincerely doubt your cited allegations were ever uttered. Hearsay is hearsay. Without convincing sources it never happened. Anti war activists and liberal bloggers of the ilk you cited (McGovern, Murray, Greenwald) are not convincing sources. Each of them are not to be considered credible by reasonable persons. In their opinions and "journalism" they have an axe to grind, an agenda.
Feel free to reiterate with some solid sources to advance this from the realm of hearsay or there it shall remain.
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Good grief. I am centrist. I think if you can get far enough away from the shrieking both sides are making then you can think a little clearer. I do not feel either superior nor inferior. I have strong feelings about a great many things.
No offense intended, but in some ways I find centrists aka moderates worse than the extremes on either side, they tend to be fickle, straddle the fence way too much, and arrogantly enjoy both sides fighting over them to get their votes. There are times you need to get off the fence and pick a side and stick with it.
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No offense intended, but in some ways I find centrists aka moderates worse than the extremes on either side, they tend to be fickle, straddle the fence way too much, and arrogantly enjoy both sides fighting over them to get their votes. There are times you need to get off the fence and pick a side and stick with it.
Nice job ignoring the rest of my post, thanks.
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Good grief. I am centrist. I think if you can get far enough away from the shrieking both sides are making then you can think a little clearer. I do not feel either superior nor inferior. I have strong feelings about a great many things.
For instance, over the past few decades Congress, legal precedent and the President have been chipping away at the Constitution, until at last it is in a very real threat of simply being ignored, or worse.
I have watched Americans waive basic rights in favor of the illusion of safety over the past 10 years, and do so willingly.
Many of our inner cities are now like third world countries and domestic spending being slashed in favor of two wars.
Our infrastructure is rotten, and not much, if anything is being done about it.
New Orleans, one of our greatest cities is still toiling its way out of the disaster that was Katrina.
This country went from really being number one to not so much anymore.
We are in a very serious economic crisis brought about by greed and wink-wink deals by investors and bankers who in return were bailed out. Manufacturing is leaving like rats off of a sinking ship. People with business degrees, etc are now flipping burgers while bank execs are getting ridiculous bonuses.
I bought an American flag, when i got home it said Made in China.
American soldiers are getting maimed and killed.
Yeah, I am fence sitting, not really.
I am calling bullshit on you, good Sir.
IMHO those who claim to be "centrists" are actually leftists playing chameleon. You may see the middle of the road as a comfortable place to be because it offers the safe haven of not having to commit oneself to any given subject and conveniently lean one way or the other as perils present themselves.
IOW, those who profess themselves to be a "centrist" are actually spineless but the genuine "centrist" is a rare bird and you are no "centrist".
You are a leftist, a liberal. In typical liberal fashion you again and again offer up some passing initial disclaimer and then jump right in with both feet on the liberal tack.
I don't care if you are a liberal or not. What I cannot respect is someone who claims to be one thing when it is obvious they are another. Claiming to be "on the fence" is laughable and like a beer can propped up on a fence rail you are certainly going to draw fire, that's a given. If you are indeed a liberal as I assert then just come clean. THe Cave isn't like the DUmp, you won't be banished for honestly speaking your mind here but like anywhere else in life an insincere disingenuous impostor will be treated accordingly.
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Nice job ignoring the rest of my post, thanks.
IMO you're a Paulbot, no desire to engage a Paulbot.
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Good grief. I am centrist. I think if you can get far enough away from the shrieking both sides are making then you can think a little clearer. I do not feel either superior nor inferior. I have strong feelings about a great many things.
For instance, over the past few decades Congress, legal precedent and the President have been chipping away at the Constitution, until at last it is in a very real threat of simply being ignored, or worse.
I have watched Americans waive basic rights in favor of the illusion of safety over the past 10 years, and do so willingly.
Many of our inner cities are now like third world countries and domestic spending being slashed in favor of two wars.
Our infrastructure is rotten, and not much, if anything is being done about it.
New Orleans, one of our greatest cities is still toiling its way out of the disaster that was Katrina.
This country went from really being number one to not so much anymore.
We are in a very serious economic crisis brought about by greed and wink-wink deals by investors and bankers who in return were bailed out. Manufacturing is leaving like rats off of a sinking ship. People with business degrees, etc are now flipping burgers while bank execs are getting ridiculous bonuses.
I bought an American flag, when i got home it said Made in China.
American soldiers are getting maimed and killed.
Yeah, I am fence sitting, not really.
I never said you were fence sitting. There you go putting words in people's mouths. :-)
Anyway, I have no idea what a centrist is. The left has broken the bounds of what "left" used to mean. So where does that put the center, exactly?
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What have we come to as a nation when we condone such things? Is it acceptable to waive our humanity for some imagined political gain?
I condone such things. This is Darwin in action. Stupid people sail into a military zone and they don't expect to get shot. Too bad for them.
The bottom line here is the boat people are NOT helping a starving people. Gaza is NOT starving. It is not poor There are shopping malls, jewelry stores, all sorts of things that require money.
--> The goal of breaking the blockade is to allow ships to deliver high tech weapons to a people who would turn them on Israel. Cargo that is not inspected by Israel. That's why Israel has the blockade in the first place.
Personally, I hope the ships are impounded by Israel and long jail terms for the hippies on board. Up to now there have been no real consequences. If the ships are sunk/all hands lost, GOOD! icing on the cake.
I have no sympathy for long haired maggot infested hippies. I LOVE Rachel Corrie Jokes and I trolled her memorial site. Anyone who will not get out of the way for a slow moving bulldozer deserves what they get.
Oh. And Hawk. a bi*ch slap for you, bi*ch.
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LOL.
Well, lemmee see . . . he voted for Obama, pimps some bogus pagan religion, has been banned from countless forums, "knew" about but did nothing when people from the board he admins posts porn here, is for open borders, just for starters . . . yeah, a centrist for sure. :whatever:
But keep it up and he'll put you on ignore, just to warn you. I think he should join the flotilla, personally speaking. Tool.
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LOL.
Well, lemmee see . . . he voted for Obama, pimps some bogus pagan religion, has been banned from countless forums, "knew" about but did nothing when people from the board he admins posts porn here, is for open borders, just for starters . . . yeah, a centrist for sure. :whatever:
But keep it up and he'll put you on ignore, just to warn you. I think he should join the flotilla, personally speaking. Tool.
Oh jeez, he's worse than a Paulbot then.
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LOL.
Well, lemmee see . . . he voted for Obama, pimps some bogus pagan religion, has been banned from countless forums, "knew" about but did nothing when people from the board he admins posts porn here, is for open borders, just for starters . . . yeah, a centrist for sure. :whatever:
But keep it up and he'll put you on ignore, just to warn you. I think he should join the flotilla, personally speaking. Tool.
H5 for a brilliant diagnosis.
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LOL.
Well, lemmee see . . . he voted for Obama, pimps some bogus pagan religion, has been banned from countless forums, "knew" about but did nothing when people from the board he admins posts porn here, is for open borders, just for starters . . . yeah, a centrist for sure. :whatever:
But keep it up and he'll put you on ignore, just to warn you. I think he should join the flotilla, personally speaking. Tool.
Another discordia twit?
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Our Coast Guard seems capable of stopping ships and boats on the high seas daily without blowing them out of the water to do it.
Really? I was Navy Boarding, Search, and Seizure doing boardings on the "high seas" with Coast Guard LEO Detachments for quite a few years and have seen some boardings go very, very bad that ended with bodies floating in the water. One thing I will tell you from practical application and experience is that the ultimate professionals of the Coast Guard LEO Dets will indeed shoot from a distance rather than put boarding teams in danger, especially when dealing with suspected hostiles.
Your opinion and my experience don't seem to line up very well, do they? It would appear that my assessment of what the Israelis will do to any enemy combatant group that attempts to run their blockade is the more correct one.
Once again, it is the administration condoning the possible acts of violence against them that I find offensive, not any act that hasn't happened yet.
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These goons are self correcting problems and deserve everything they get.
My wife works at the Wounded Warrior Hospital at Ft. Riley.
And may God bless and keep her, she is certainly doing the Lord's work. On the other hand, you making any attempt at trying to attach some credibility to yourself by her actions is pathetic.
If you are accusing me of stepping on the corpses of our dead soldiers then I expect an apology.
I accused you of no such thing. What I said, in response to your lament, was that when the left decided to stop walking on the backs of the dead military personnel to score their points, then feel free to let me know.
That's all, nothing more, nothing for you to read into and get offended. If I am going to call you a leftist, you can bet your ass that I will make it very plain and very obvious.
Quit being such a thin skinned sissy-Mary and, while we're at it, take your demand for an apology and stick it in your ass.
I see regularly what those kids have and are going through and I am furious that they were put in harms way to begin with.
I'm sorry, what? Do you even think before you type?
You're furious that they who volunteered themselves to do violence on your behalf so you can sleep safely in your bed at night were actually hurt in the execution of their duties? What would you rather have happen? Our trained and equipped fighting forces sidelined while people are blown to bits in restaurants and shopping malls? Would you rather have to fight off the islamokazie cowards in the Mall of America or would you rather have those who are trained and equipped go and kill these animals somewhere other than your home town?
Make no mistake, what these kids are going through is very hard and tragic. Also make no mistake in the fact that they know full well what they are getting into. I knew it when I raised my right hand and so did everyone else, there was no mystery involved.
If you want a constructive place to direct your anger, how about you direct it at the very idiots that are hindering these young troopers from being able to fully execute their duties so they can actually get the damn job done. How about, instead of wringing your hands over what is to become of those actively supporting terrorism (ie your "misguided hippies"), you make an effort to squash the enemies of this country and our civilization? Think you can manage to do that?
Since I am new here, I will explain yet again that I am not a lib, or left, or any other political persuasion. I think they all reek of corruption, greed and stupidity. I refuse to stand on one side of an imaginary line and screech sound bites and gibberish at whatever the other side may be.
No, you think you are some high and mighty middle-of-the-road type, we got it. I'm going to let you in on a secret - the only things you will find in the middle of the road are yellow stripes and dead animals.
Nobody here screeches sound bites, sweetheart, we leave the spoon fed pablum to the brain dead left. Here you will find many thinkers and people of experience which is the heart of true conservatism and it would do you well to remember that. You might want to consider not spouting left leaning bullshit if you want to be taken seriously, though. None of what you posted is from any credible source and appears highly suspicious at best.
Anyone that would come on a conservative board and lament the fate of leftist trash does himself no good in trying to claim any type of conservatism. By definition, if it is not conservative, it is liberal. Kind of like there is really no "bisexual" - you either engage in certain kinds of behavior or you do not.
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I think anytime the government condones something like this for any reason, that it is a serious problem. Yes, they should know better. Personally I don't care if Israel and Palestine wipe each other off the face of the world, but to deliberately turn the back to American citizens like this, to me, is inexcusable.
So much for the libertarian claiming people are allowed to engage in self-destructive behavior.
What is the/any president supposed to do if citizens decide to antagonize the security of a foreign nation? He can arrest his own citizens or not much else.
Methinks you're just being cryptic trying to use this issue to drive a wedge between the US and the only civil scoiety in the ME. First comes the "I don't care about the Philistines" paean next will come the "but we give them so much money" bleating.
Israel is an outpost that stymies the advance of a "civilization" of sub-savages that bring violence to any nation it touches. Not 1 nation on this planet has a sizeable Muslim population that can peacefully live within its own borders or with its neighbors and this includes predominanty Muslim nations.
If you think you can withdraw from the world, curl up in a fetal position and suck your own dick and the malefactors of the world will leave you alone you haven't been paying attention for the last 10,000 years.
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Damn nice dogpile, spags. You all do Discordia proud, except for the part where you refuse to have intelligent discussion.
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Damn nice dogpile, spags. You all do Discordia proud, except for the part where you refuse to have intelligent discussion.
3. spag
Generally meaningless insult with only a passing phonological similarity to "fag". Commonly used by Discordians.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spag
Clean up, aisle 5.
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spag
Clean up, aisle 5.
Oh no, you outed me as a Discordian. Except that was all covered in my intro thread and in a thread in religion. Try to keep up.
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Oh no, you outed me as a Discordian. Except that was all covered in my intro thread and in a thread in religion. Try to keep up.
I don't follow you, retard, therefore there is nothing to "keep up" with but I will say that learning you are a whatever it is you are, it sure explains why your posts look like the rest of the twats that got shown the door not too long ago. As far as I'm concerned, you can join the rest of your brethren in the CC shitcan. You're all a bunch of *leftist goons that are trolling the net to stir shit and, in my honest opinion, you have no place here.
*There it is, I have made it plain like I said I would.
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Hawk, Just a few observations on why the membership perceives you as a closet liberal.......
Good grief. I am centrist. ,<snip>. I have strong feelings about a great many things.
These two statements appear to be (philosophically at least) somewhat contradictory.....
For instance, over the past few decades Congress, legal precedent and the President have been chipping away at the Constitution, until at last it is in a very real threat of simply being ignored, or worse.
I have watched Americans waive basic rights in favor of the illusion of safety over the past 10 years, and do so willingly.
Although most of us would agree, though I suspect your reason for this statement is somewhat different from our own.....for example if you're referring to the "Patriot Act" et al, I could give a crap if a potential terrorist has his/her "Constitutional rights" violated, quite frankly in years past such persons were treated much more harshly. Citizens guilty of sedition and treason were summarily executed, or subjected to long prison terms.
Or have you a problem with "torture" used to extract information from our enemies? For my part, I'll come right out and state that I support ANY method necessary to extract intelligence from those at war with us.........
Many of our inner cities are now like third world countries and domestic spending being slashed in favor of two wars.
Liberal talking point number 1,328........"conservatives hate poor people and minorities"......
Our "inner cirties" are the result of "progressive" (democrat) policies for generations, all have failed. We conservatives feel sympathy for those citizens, however, we refuse, categorically to PAY for those failed policies.....they are on their own now. They are largely managed by the same "poor" minorities that inhabit them.
Sorry, not my problem any longer.......I helped pay for the "Great Society", and "Model Cities" programs, and we now see the results.
Our infrastructure is rotten, and not much, if anything is being done about it.
Well......Obama promised us that the 800 billion "Stimulus" was going to be devoted to "shovel ready" improvements in the infrastructure.......that's more than Eisenhower spent in FOUR years, building the interstate highway system during one of his terms.....where did it go??
New Orleans, one of our greatest cities is still toiling its way out of the disaster that was Katrina.
Now you're just being disingenuous......NOLA was a toilet before Katrina hit.....nature just flushed it.........if a "specific group" of citizens can't figure how to rebuild following this event, particularly after the billions of private charity and government aid sent there......I could care less........
American soldiers are getting maimed and killed.
Liberal talking point number 2,134.........."make love not war".........I guess you really haven't outgrown your hippy days after all. Other members have responded to this remark far more eloquently than I.
Yeah, I am fence sitting, not really.
With that I'm beginning to agree.....you are not sitting on the same side of the fence as the rest of us......
doc
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With that I'm beginning to agree.....you are not sitting on the same side of the fence as the rest of us......
doc
Doc, this disconaut is no different than that bunch of howler monkeys that got booted out the CC door; his protestations notwithstanding.
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Doc, this disconaut is no different than that bunch of howler monkeys that got booted out the CC door; his protestations notwithstanding.
I don't know what his real politics are (Besides 'Opaque'), but his OP in this thread is about four cans shy of a sixpack the 'Making sense' department, which proceeded to get not-significantly-clearer for two-and-a-half pages. All he did manage to clarify was that he thinks the US should protect all retarded American activists who travel overseas and interfere in the affairs of foreign sovereigns.
I would venture to say that this idea isn't mainstream thought here, a fact he seems to be having a very difficult time assimilating. I think the 'St. Pancake' smiley says it for most of us:
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Question: What is the only country in the entire Middle East where Christians, Jews and Muslims can choose freely live in harmony in a representative government?
Hmmm...
I'll give you three guesses.
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Doc, this disconaut is no different than that bunch of howler monkeys that got booted out the CC door; his protestations notwithstanding.
In this and perhaps one other thread, I'd tend to agree.......however in all fairness, he HAS participated in a large number of other threads without controversy, unlike his predecessors.
We pride ourselves in not being an "echo chamber", and therefore, we must respect some diversity of opinion on issues. That said, such positions cannot be expected to be completely challenged........goes with the territory.
doc
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My God, I'm in agreement with the idiots in the Obama Administration. Somebody check the thermostat in Hell. I, too, "plan to do absolutely nothing to protect [y]our boat from Israeli attack or illegal boarding, [and I] "would be happy if something happened to [you]." [I am also], "perfectly willing to have the cold corpses of activists worthless leftist scumbags shown on American TV."
Wow; broken clock principle? :confused:
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Question: What is the only country in the entire Middle East where Christians, Jews and Muslims can choose freely live in harmony in a representative government?
Hmmm...
I'll give you three guesses.
I'll take a stab at that one Alex......
Iraq.....nope the christians have fled.
Iran.....Nope, I'm-a-dinner-jacket don't like Jews.
Saudi Arabia.....that's got to be it, right?
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Hawk. As for the dog-pile you brought it on yourself. A lot of the piling on had some good points. If you want a conversation you do not pain a people trying to protect themselves as evil.
There is a reason for the naval blockade of Gaza. Do you even know what it is? Or are you just reduced to the talking points of the Left: "Israel Bad, murderous Hamas good."
You picked a hot topic and picked the stupid side. I'm surprised that you are surprised you were piled on. Of course trolls do so love to play the victim.
and that's the bottom line: I think this was a vary mild troll to test the waters. At some point you are going to photo bomb your way out just like the others. I think you and the discordians are professional trolls, and for the last two weeks you've been playing the line and testing the fish.
The sooner you are gone the better.
and another bi*ch slap for being a big baby about all of this.
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Hawk. As for the dog-pile you brought it on yourself. A lot of the piling on had some good points. If you want a conversation you do not pain a people trying to protect themselves as evil.
There is a reason for the naval blockade of Gaza. Do you even know what it is? Or are you just reduced to the talking points of the Left: "Israel Bad, murderous Hamas good."
You picked a hot topic and picked the stupid side. I'm surprised that you are surprised you were piled on. Of course trolls do so love to play the victim.
and that's the bottom line: I think this was a vary mild troll to test the waters. At some point you are going to photo bomb your way out just like the others. I think you and the discordians are professional trolls, and for the last two weeks you've been playing the line and testing the fish.
The sooner you are gone the better.
and another bi*ch slap for being a big baby about all of this.
Adios.
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What not even willing to engage in a conversation? What a woos.
BS for being a woos.
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Adios.
Door, ass, all that follows.
Say hi to the rest of the disconauts for us, will ya?
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and another BS for running away with your tail between your legs.
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Oh, no. How will we survive? :sarcasm: :muahaha:
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Adios.
CSRB ...
BS for initiating a thread that cost me 5 minutes of my life I'll never get back ...