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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: I_B_Perky on June 27, 2011, 08:59:52 PM
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Raw Story strikes again! Couldn't put it in the title:
Dummies support the troops (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4897363)
Huge bonfire. If I did this wrong Frank, feel free to edit.
Some of the quotes:
derby378 (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-26-11 09:34 PM
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Cost of air conditioning for U.S. troops in MidEast more than NASA budget
Source: Raw Story
The United States spends $20.2 billion annually on air conditioning for troops stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan — more than NASA's entire budget, NPR reported.
In fact, the same amount of money that keeps soldiers cool is the amount the G-8 has committed to helping the fledgling democracies in Tunisia and Egypt.
The necessary cooling costs so much because of the remote locations and danger involved in delivery equipment and fuel, Steven Anderson, a retired logistician who served under Gen. David Petraeus in Iraq.
"When you consider the cost to deliver the fuel to some of the most isolated places in the world — escorting, command and control, medevac support — when you throw all that infrastructure in, we're talking over $20 billion," Anderson told NPR. "You've got risks that are associated with moving the fuel almost every mile of the way."
Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/06/26/cost-of-air-condi... /
northoftheborder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-26-11 09:38 PM
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1. cooling the soldiers in the desert to the tune of 20 billion is insane. bring them home.
ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-26-11 09:40 PM
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2. I have no appropriate words to describe the depth of my disgust and that's saying something.
defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-27-11 12:44 AM
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17. It clearly moves these wars into the criminal column ... and all of those supporting them!!
62. I second that puking and will spew it on the next ****ing moron who bleats about "wasting" money on NASA.
boycottfaux (129 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-27-11 01:20 PM
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70. Interesting
Why do most of them re-up and do more than one tour. Many of
the troops do 3 or 4 tours because when they come home, they
feel they can't fit into their homelife or their community .
They miss their squad, the action, their guns, the danger . .
I only wish they all get counseling when they decide to
remain stateside . .
Soldiers and marines are nuts!!! Unlike the denizens of the dump.
zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-27-11 01:47 PM
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75. Well I can't believe it.
Because I have seen some that love the conflict and the idea of killing people. It gives them a sense of power and they serve as an example to the rest of what a real soldier should be....a killing machine. There are sociopaths in the military I am sure...and many of them love it
Soldiers/marines are sociopaths!
spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-27-11 07:43 AM
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40. Exactly! If we just spend half the money we spent for the military on diplomacy, we would have such a better world.
Lets all sing Kumbya.
defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-27-11 12:43 AM
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16. We buying gasoline in Afghanistan from KBR for $1,000 a gallon which would keep a helicopter in the air about 1 minute!!
Helicopter use gasoline? I thought is was some kind of other fuel.
No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-27-11 06:25 AM
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29. As home heating fuel subsidies for needy Americans get cut. Love dose priorities, Dems!
Waaaah! I want my heating bill paid!!
Like I said, this is a huge bonfire. I'm too disgusted to read anymore.
Edited to change "soldiers" to "troops" in the link. Wouldn't want to leave out the Marines, Navy and Airforce folks!!!
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-27-11 11:01 AM
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57. Many if not most in the Military vote Republican and hence for more war..
They do indeed like war and the glory that supposedly comes with it...War is the quickest road to promotion for officers...
Funny our current president is a dem and he escalated the illegal war in Afghanistan and started another one in Libya.
zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-27-11 01:47 PM
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75. Well I can't believe it.
Because I have seen some that love the conflict and the idea of killing people.
It gives them a sense of power and they serve as an example to the rest of what a real soldier should be....a killing machine.
There are sociopaths in the military I am sure...and many of them love it.
**** you asshole.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-27-11 12:44 AM
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17. It clearly moves these wars into the criminal column ... and all of those supporting them!!
Obama to the Hague for war crimes, NOW!!!!! eleventy 1111
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We don't buy fuel for $1000 a gallon from KBR.
Now that he's out of office, that money is paid directly to Richard Cheney.
Previously, KBR held it in trust for him.
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Obama to the Hague for war crimes, NOW!!!!! eleventy 1111
Impeach 0bama for war crimes!!!!1111111
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A stupid and pointless comparison, that would be just as valid, or invalid, if we also charged the budget of 50 State Police organizations against the NASA budget to reflect the security costs of the highways they use to transport their people and equipment.
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Maybe its all a hoax like the moon landings? :tinfoil: Just look for the letter "C" on some of the alleged desert rocks. I bet they are just reusing the same sets NASA used too and NASA is pocketing the money to hoax a manned Mars landing. :tinfoil:
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To get a feel for how f*cked the Obama regime and the donks of the 110th & 111th left us, $20 billion is but a mere FOUR DAYS OF DEFICIT SPENDING under those turds.
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Bring the troops home NOW...turn'em loose on the enemy within.
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I wonder how much the federal prison budget to house DUmmies who broke the law costs? How about the disability going to members of the DUmp alone? Big difference is the air cooling our troops serve a purpose: to bring comfort in very hard conditions to individuals with a purpose and living a life in service for however long they do. The others' purpose is to support leeches and miscreants so they can either a)stay segregated from decent human beings like you and I or b) sit at home and type on the dump while on trumped up medical conditions collection a check. I know they like to say things like, why would I choose to collect disability because its so little. Trust me when I say never underestimate the mediocrity someone who wants to take advantage of society will live under. Normally these type of people willingly take what little they can get for 'free' and then are jealous of productive citizens for having more then them...that's the dump you say? Precisely.
And I have a brother on disability: he is on dialysis 3 days a week and absolutely unable to work and fully disabled. I'm well aware there are people who do indeed need societies help to be able to just survive. Most of those folks were either productive members of society at one time or would trade their ills to be one currently again. My brother fits both. despite an entire life of medical conditions, he worked until he just could not anymore. His desire was always to serve in the military, but medically he was ineligible. People like him probably have to endure the 'look over' of decent productive people who wonder if he is one of the leeches aforementioned. Thanks DUmpies and people like you for making his life even more difficult because of your laziness and greed.
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Rawstory to NPR yields this as the source:
"When you consider the cost to deliver the fuel to some of the most isolated places in the world — escorting, command and control, medevac support — when you throw all that infrastructure in, we're talking over $20 billion," Steven Anderson tells weekends on All Things Considered guest host Rachel Martin. Anderson is a retired brigadier general who served as Gen. David Patreaus' chief logistician in Iraq.
How the hell did he come to that figure you ask?
To power an air conditioner at a remote outpost in land-locked Afghanistan, a gallon of fuel has to be shipped into Karachi, Pakistan, then driven 800 miles over 18 days to Afghanistan on roads that are sometimes little more than "improved goat trails," Anderson says. "And you've got risks that are associated with moving the fuel almost every mile of the way."
So the good general is including the costs of personnel, flights, and transportation of fuel into his equation. No where does he parse out the fraction of the fuel that is being transported for other uses, it all for air conditioning folks.
Google search has all the liberal blogs crying outrage, but what is noticeably absent is comments from the DoD on accuracy of this figure.
Imagine that?
Fox lies..... Fox lies..... :whatever:
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-27-11 01:47 PM
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75. Well I can't believe it.
Because I have seen some that love the conflict and the idea of killing people.
It gives them a sense of power and they serve as an example to the rest of what a real soldier should be....a killing machine.
There are sociopaths in the military I am sure...and many of them love it.
You know what asshat? Let's just say you are correct. There are sociopaths in the military who actually enjoy killing.
You better get down on your knees every single night and thank your god for them, as their service and willing to kill keeps your pathetically coward ass safe.
Capiche?
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We don't buy fuel for $1000 a gallon from KBR.
Now that he's out of office, that money is paid directly to Richard Cheney.
Previously, KBR held it in trust for him.
have a mole plant this in DU and watch the forest fire begin :lmao:
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boycottfaux (129 posts) Mon Jun-27-11 01:20 PM
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70. Interesting
Why do most of them re-up and do more than one tour. Many of
the troops do 3 or 4 tours because when they come home, they
feel they can't fit into their homelife or their community .
They miss their squad, the action, their guns, the danger . .
I only wish they all get counseling when they decide to
remain stateside . .
This isn't the late 60's and early 70's where they came home only to get spit at by you hippie jackasses, fool. This is 2011 and all of you would get a f'n beatdown for spitting on a troop. They aren't "re-upping" for 3 and 4 tours, many make careers out of the military and that's just their unit's rotation.
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Compare and contrast this with their recent threads about people on WIC buying iPods and how it is wrong to dump on them.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jun-27-11 07:43 AM
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40. Exactly! If we just spend half the money we spent for the military on diplomacy, we would have such a better world.
Who let him mingle among the general population?
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Who let him mingle among the general population?
Me.
There was nothing on TV but re-runs.
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Me.
There was nothing on TV but re-runs.
Just make sure to put him back in his rabbit cage and to clean up after him. :lmao:
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-27-11 01:47 PM
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75. Well I can't believe it.
Because I have seen some that love the conflict and the idea of killing people. It gives them a sense of power and they serve as an example to the rest of what a real soldier should be....a killing machine. There are sociopaths in the military I am sure...and many of them love it
"We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." - Sir Winston Churchill
It would do you well to remember that, DUmbass.
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Just make sure to put him back in his rabbit cage and to clean up after him. :lmao:
And don't let him near matches.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-27-11 01:47 PM
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75. Well I can't believe it.
Because I have seen some that love the conflict and the idea of killing people. It gives them a sense of power and they serve as an example to the rest of what a real soldier should be....a killing machine. There are sociopaths in the military I am sure...and many of them love it
Well, some people just need killin'. Unfortunately, us blood-crazed militarist arenalin-junkie Fundie TEA Party sociopathic (etc., etc.) death robots aren't allowed to take care of all of them, just a few in some scattered particular places overseas.
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Well, some people just need killin'. Unfortunately, us blood-crazed militarist arenalin-junkie Fundie TEA Party sociopathic (etc., etc.) death robots aren't allowed to take care of all of them, just a few in some scattered particular places overseas.
It's too bad that all the ones here that need killin' don't go there where they can be killed by the BCMAJFTEAPSetc DRs.
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Considering the moon missions cost $20 billion/each, back in the 70's, this is a deal.
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Considering the moon missions cost $20 billion/each, back in the 70's, this is a deal.
Ya know DD... I am all for funding Nasa. As long as they stay on their mission which is space exploration. So how do we fund it? Easy! Just cut funding welfare by whatever the dummies decide that Nasa's budget should be. After all, if the dummies think it is so important, then let them fund it out of their "paycheck". :fuelfire: :fuelfire:
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I would increase NASA spending by orders of magnitude. Aside from defense, it's the best bang for the buck American taxpayers have ever received. The engineering spinoffs are invaluable, but equally valuable is the thundering affirmation of American expertise and capabilities, and the effect space accomplishments have on the American spirit. That spirit translates directly into confidence in the future. It's the epitome of Reaganism.
One Mars rover is worth thousands of the muslim's shovel-ready union boondoggles.
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For the price of fraud-based global warming studies, subsidies for wasteful technologies, lost business due to regulations and Ponzi carbon credits we could provide comfort for people risking their lives in Allah-forsaken rat holes so liberals can bitch in liberty.
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I would increase NASA spending by orders of magnitude. Aside from defense, it's the best bang for the buck American taxpayers have ever received. The engineering spinoffs are invaluable, but equally valuable is the thundering affirmation of American expertise and capabilities, and the effect space accomplishments have on the American spirit. That spirit translates directly into confidence in the future. It's the epitome of Reaganism.
One Mars rover is worth thousands of the muslim's shovel-ready union boondoggles.
Oh I agree with you 1000 percent GB. NASA used to be the premier space agency in the world. They made the shuttles that have lasted far past their expected life. As long as they stay focused on space... fund them. I was just making fun of the dummies jibbering-jabbering about spending money on AC for our brave military folks doing a damned hard job. They all jibber-jabbered about their perceived lack of funding for NASA. Fine! Let's take some money out of their government check and see how fast they say NASA don't need to be funded. It's called priority. When the priority ceases to be taking care of the the deadbeats of the Dump, I want to see what they have to say.
Come on Dummies.... come over here and tell me you are gonna give up some of your welfare check to fund NASA. It's important!! You said so yourself and I agree!!! So come on and tell me how much we can cut welfare to you deadbeats to fund NASA.
I ain't holding my breath.
I believe there is nothing this country can't do when we set our minds to it. Hell we made it to the moon in the 60's so why can't we make it to Mars now? I'll tell you why... too many deadbeats not pulling their weight.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-27-11 01:47 PM
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75. Well I can't believe it.
Because I have seen some that love the conflict and the idea of killing people. It gives them a sense of power and they serve as an example to the rest of what a real soldier should be....a killing machine.
There are sociopaths in the military I am sure...and many of them love it.
You little worm you!!! The U.S. military keep this Country safe and defense our Great Country.
Crawl back into your worm hole.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-27-11 01:47 PM
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75. Well I can't believe it.
Because I have seen some that love the conflict and the idea of killing people. It gives them a sense of power and they serve as an example to the rest of what a real soldier should be....a killing machine...
Well, DUH!
What is the purpose of an army, DUmbass? To KILL people and to BREAK things. Not meals on wheels, not glorified policemen, not peace corps or UN minions.
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This isn't the late 60's and early 70's where they came home only to get spit at by you hippie jackasses, fool. This is 2011 and all of you would get a f'n beatdown for spitting on a troop. They aren't "re-upping" for 3 and 4 tours, many make careers out of the military and that's just their unit's rotation.
Unfortunately it is still going on today. And our troops are still handling it with dignity. I have had a few comments and the like thrown my way while in uniform and my son had some nasty comments made to him by a so called teacher. I went to the school board about the teacher and ignored the comments thrown at me.