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Title: Airbus A380 Demo plane vs. Building @ Paris Air Show: Airbus loses
Post by: DefiantSix on June 23, 2011, 08:37:51 PM
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No A380 demo at Paris air show after incident: Airbus (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110619/bs_afp/franceaerospaceshowcompanyairbusa380)

– Sun Jun 19, 1:47 pm ET

(http://www.avweb.com/newspics/parisairshow2011/a380-embraerbuilding/med/03.jpg)

PARIS (AFP) – Airbus will not hold a demonstration of its A380 superjumbo at the Paris International Air Show after the wing-tip of its test aircraft was damaged in an incident Sunday, the company said.

"During ground maneuvers with the Airbus A380 flight test aircraft MSN 004, the aircraft's right hand wing-tip touched a structure near the taxiway," at Le Bourget airport on Sunday afternoon, Airbus said in a statement.

"Airbus experts are currently inspecting the aircraft, but it is already confirmed that the A380 MSN 004 will not perform the flying display at the Le Bourget Air Show 2011," it said.

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h/t to AvWeb.com (http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/a380_vs_embraer_building_204862-1.html) for the heads up.

Back the last time I was working for Boeing, the discussion between engineering, corporate and the customers on whether to build a 747 with a full second passenger deck, rather than the abreviated one we are all familiar with was hot and heavy at the time.  Ultimately, Boeing decided not to go ahead with the full double decker for two primary reasons:

It was because I was privy to some of this inside debate - admittedly through second- and third-hand sources - that I laughed when I heard Airbus' announcement of it's A380 project.  It seems that socialism may have been able to build it where pure market capitalism had no need, but that whole laws of physics - esp. the part about two solid objects being incapable of occupying the same point in space/time simultaneously - is proving a more insurmountable challenge for the French.

 :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :bigbird:
Title: Re: Airbus A380 Demo plane vs. Building @ Paris Air Show: Airbus loses
Post by: CG6468 on June 23, 2011, 10:06:21 PM
The wing tip "touched" a structure?  :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Title: Re: Airbus A380 Demo plane vs. Building @ Paris Air Show: Airbus loses
Post by: DefiantSix on June 23, 2011, 10:24:41 PM
The wing tip "touched" a structure?  :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

Yeah, I noticed that bit of "spin" too... :stoner:
Title: Re: Airbus A380 Demo plane vs. Building @ Paris Air Show: Airbus loses
Post by: Chris_ on June 23, 2011, 10:25:59 PM
The wing tip "touched" a structure? 

*nudge nudge, wink wink*
Title: Re: Airbus A380 Demo plane vs. Building @ Paris Air Show: Airbus loses
Post by: thelaughingman on June 23, 2011, 10:39:14 PM
Idiot Frenchies.
Title: Re: Airbus A380 Demo plane vs. Building @ Paris Air Show: Airbus loses
Post by: DefiantSix on June 23, 2011, 11:34:23 PM
(http://www.avweb.com/newspics/parisairshow2011/a380-embraerbuilding/med/01.jpg)
BTW:  If you read the  AvWeb story on the incident (and see the other pics of the incident), you'll find that it isn't the first time this particular airplane has put it's wingtips where they don't belong.  Back in April, it clipped the tail of a commuter jet at JFK.
Title: Re: Airbus A380 Demo plane vs. Building @ Paris Air Show: Airbus loses
Post by: thelaughingman on June 24, 2011, 12:39:24 AM
(http://www.avweb.com/newspics/parisairshow2011/a380-embraerbuilding/med/01.jpg)

I gotta say it:  That will buff out.
Title: Re: Airbus A380 Demo plane vs. Building @ Paris Air Show: Airbus loses
Post by: NHSparky on June 24, 2011, 07:19:43 AM
Not to mention the problems they've been having with the engines blowing up in midair.

Give me a 777 any day.
Title: Re: Airbus A380 Demo plane vs. Building @ Paris Air Show: Airbus loses
Post by: Eupher on June 24, 2011, 10:53:26 AM
Say what you will, I find it amazing that this aircraft is taxiing on grass.

I woulda thunk it's far, far too heavy for grass.  :stoner:
Title: Re: Airbus A380 Demo plane vs. Building @ Paris Air Show: Airbus loses
Post by: DefiantSix on June 24, 2011, 11:25:16 AM
Say what you will, I find it amazing that this aircraft is taxiing on grass.

I woulda thunk it's far, far too heavy for grass.  :stoner:

BS'ed because you need yer prescription checked.  :cheers1: There's asphalt under those tires; the damned thing just hangs THAT FAR off the taxiway.

Title: Re: Airbus A380 Demo plane vs. Building @ Paris Air Show: Airbus loses
Post by: Eupher on June 24, 2011, 07:46:05 PM
BS'ed because you need yer prescription checked.  :cheers1: There's asphalt under those tires; the damned thing just hangs THAT FAR off the taxiway.



 :rotf: I'm way ahead of ya, D6. I made an appointment earlier this afternoon for tomorrow. (They're gonna put the eyedrops in my eyes this time.)
Title: Re: Airbus A380 Demo plane vs. Building @ Paris Air Show: Airbus loses
Post by: DefiantSix on June 24, 2011, 09:56:09 PM
:rotf: I'm way ahead of ya, D6. I made an appointment earlier this afternoon for tomorrow. (They're gonna put the eyedrops in my eyes this time.)

So is Mrs. E driving you home, or one of the parrots?  :-)
Title: Re: Airbus A380 Demo plane vs. Building @ Paris Air Show: Airbus loses
Post by: thelaughingman on June 24, 2011, 10:03:55 PM
BS'ed because you need yer prescription checked.  :cheers1: There's asphalt under those tires; the damned thing just hangs THAT FAR off the taxiway.



And not one of the fools who built the plane or the airport or who was piloting the damn thing ever thought, "You know, that building's kind close to the runway..."
Title: Re: Airbus A380 Demo plane vs. Building @ Paris Air Show: Airbus loses
Post by: JohnnyReb on June 24, 2011, 10:07:50 PM
It wouldn't have happemed if they had been retreating instead of advancing...Hey, it's France, you know.
Title: Re: Airbus A380 Demo plane vs. Building @ Paris Air Show: Airbus loses
Post by: DefiantSix on June 24, 2011, 10:08:08 PM
And not one of the fools who built the plane or the airport or who was piloting the damn thing ever thought, "You know, that building's kind close to the runway..."

For any other plane, it ISN'T all that close.
Title: Re: Airbus A380 Demo plane vs. Building @ Paris Air Show: Airbus loses
Post by: Eupher on June 24, 2011, 10:19:08 PM
So is Mrs. E driving you home, or one of the parrots?  :-)

Yes.

(Actually, I'll wear my sunglasses and drive myself. It's only a couple of miles. Mrs. E has a wedding to play, so she ain't available. And the parrots - well, one of 'em ain't old enough to have a license and the other's was revoked for driving while yakking. She can't shut up while driving and has a tendency to run into things.  :whatever: )

 :-)
Title: Re: Airbus A380 Demo plane vs. Building @ Paris Air Show: Airbus loses
Post by: Thor on June 26, 2011, 11:15:16 AM
You'll need DOUBLE sunglasses if you're having your eyes dilated. I made the mistake of driving home about a year and a half ago after having my eyes dilated. It was NOT a fun experience, even with the double sunglasses.
Title: Re: Airbus A380 Demo plane vs. Building @ Paris Air Show: Airbus loses
Post by: Rebel on June 26, 2011, 12:07:16 PM
Next time you fly, if it says under equipment "A3__", just remember, you'll be flying on a plane built by several different countries, all who speak different languages and don't particularly have a history of working well together.

If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going.
Title: Re: Airbus A380 Demo plane vs. Building @ Paris Air Show: Airbus loses
Post by: Eupher on June 26, 2011, 06:39:15 PM
You'll need DOUBLE sunglasses if you're having your eyes dilated. I made the mistake of driving home about a year and a half ago after having my eyes dilated. It was NOT a fun experience, even with the double sunglasses.

It was rough, but doable. I got home without a problem, even stopping at Lowe's to pick up a belt sander.
Title: Re: Airbus A380 Demo plane vs. Building @ Paris Air Show: Airbus loses
Post by: DefiantSix on June 26, 2011, 10:06:29 PM
Next time you fly, if it says under equipment "A3__", just remember, you'll be flying on a plane built by several different countries, all who speak different languages and don't particularly have a history of working well together.

If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going.

While I love Boeing product, prefer riding on it whenever I'm forced to fly commercial these days, and I enjoyed my years working there a lot, do not think for a minute that even at the final assembly plants in the pacific northwest Boeing doesn't have the same kind of language barriers screwing things up.

I worked with the Liaison Engineering Group in Everett; this means that when the line had a problem putting something together, It was my job to grab the relevant drawings, go down to the problem point on the line, and orchestrate a fix.  In one case, my - recurring - problem was that a group of machinists who assembled wing center sections for 747s were all immigrants - legal, properly documented - from the Philippines, and all spoke ONLY Tagalog (at least on the line).  Their supervisor was of Nordic extraction, and spoke not one lick of Tagalog.  Invariably, the wing boxes put together by this crew were assembled wrong, because their Super couldn't communicate with them, and vice versa.  Invariably, it was left to the night shift crew to damage control everything the Filipino crew touched, because upper management was too hamstrung by political correctness to either send the Super out for language training in Tagalog, send the crew out for training in English, or in any other way ameliorate this giant cluster****.
Title: Re: Airbus A380 Demo plane vs. Building @ Paris Air Show: Airbus loses
Post by: Rebel on June 26, 2011, 10:42:27 PM
While I love Boeing product, prefer riding on it whenever I'm forced to fly commercial these days, and I enjoyed my years working there a lot, do not think for a minute that even at the final assembly plants in the pacific northwest Boeing doesn't have the same kind of language barriers screwing things up.

I worked with the Liaison Engineering Group in Everett; this means that when the line had a problem putting something together, It was my job to grab the relevant drawings, go down to the problem point on the line, and orchestrate a fix.  In one case, my - recurring - problem was that a group of machinists who assembled wing center sections for 747s were all immigrants - legal, properly documented - from the Philippines, and all spoke ONLY Tagalog (at least on the line).  Their supervisor was of Nordic extraction, and spoke not one lick of Tagalog.  Invariably, the wing boxes put together by this crew were assembled wrong, because their Super couldn't communicate with them, and vice versa.  Invariably, it was left to the night shift crew to damage control everything the Filipino crew touched, because upper management was too hamstrung by political correctness to either send the Super out for language training in Tagalog, send the crew out for training in English, or in any other way ameliorate this giant cluster****.

Yeah, well there aren't Boeings losing rudders over Queens or shaking apart flying from Brazil to Paris. Also, and maybe I'm wrong, there have been no Boeings that have gone down due to bird strikes, I.e. 1549.