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Title: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: Texacon on June 17, 2011, 04:05:26 PM
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Snoutport  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jun-17-11 04:57 PM
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Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
 
Edited on Fri Jun-17-11 04:57 PM by Snoutport

I just picked up a 16 oz. bottle of water and an 8 lb bag of ice. The bottle of water was $1.69. The ice was $1.50. Whatever happened to a fair price for a product? My guess is the water bottle didn't cost much more to make than the power bought to freeze the water. Shipping should go by weight so, the ice should cost much much more for shipping.

American business makes me despair sometimes.

People who don't understand free markets make me despair.  Seriously dude.  You truly don't get it do you.

You are irritated by the cost of the bottle of water but YOU STILL BOUGHT IT.  What part of that is so hard to understand?  They will charge what the market will bear.  If you stop buying it the cost will come down.

This brainiac claims to teach kids.  What I don't know but you would think he should have enough basic knowledge and common sense to figure this out.

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Scuba  (1000+ posts)      Fri Jun-17-11 04:59 PM
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1. Wonderful observation. I'll speculate...
 ...the reason is that water is mandatory to support life. Frozen water is optional.



Water is the next oil.

Really.  A wonderful observation?  One thing you got right Scuba .... water IS the next oil.

New fire but it's starting to grow.  I imagine a lot of stupid will show up since most DUmmies know nothing of how a market is supposed to work.

KC
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: franksolich on June 17, 2011, 04:09:31 PM
There's governmental regulation involved with the production of bottled water, to be sure it's safe for human consumption.  I'm sure that quite necessary function adds something to cost of bottled water.

Ice, not so much.
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: franksolich on June 17, 2011, 04:14:33 PM
You hit the main one, Texacon, sir, about the market price.  That's the big one.

I'm concentrating upon the pesky little factors.

There's governmental regulation of the production of plastic bottles and their use.

I'm sure that adds another cent or two to the cost.
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: franksolich on June 17, 2011, 04:17:04 PM
The cost of advertising a product can sometimes be 25% the cost of an item (that works with women's shampoos; I dunno what the percentage would be for bottled water).

I don't think ice is advertised much, at least around here it isn't.  It's just here.
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: franksolich on June 17, 2011, 04:19:42 PM
Well, Hell, here's another one.

Producing bottled water is "labor-intensive," meaning payroll costs (wages, benefits, employer share of taxes and social security), all the way through the process, from the manufacture of the plastic bottles to the advertising to the delivery to the retail establishment, and to the payroll costs of the seller involved.

I think one guy, working half a day, can produce and sack 4,000 pounds of ice.
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: Chris_ on June 17, 2011, 04:24:17 PM
The cost of advertising a product can sometimes be 25% the cost of an item (that works with women's shampoos; I dunno what the percentage would be for bottled water).

I don't think ice is advertised much, at least around here it isn't.  It's just here.
They don't advertise ice on television.

As far as I know, the only advertising ice needs is a big sign that says 'ICE'.
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: franksolich on June 17, 2011, 04:25:49 PM
They don't advertise ice on television.

As far as I know, the only advertising ice needs is a big sing that says 'ICE'.

That's what I meant, sir.

Just three really big blue letters on the side of the machine, "I-C-E," does the job.
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: JohnnyReb on June 17, 2011, 04:31:35 PM
What is it DUmmie, are you to good to drink tap water? If you read the label on the bottle, that's probably what you're drinking.

This happened a few years back when gas first went over $3 a gallon. A woman stopped at the store and bought gas. She came in the store and saw they had bottled water by the case on special. She bought 3 cases of the water and was just going on and on about what a good bargain it was. Then she lite into the gas companies for charging her over $3 a gallon for gas. They were just robbing people and making obscene amounts of profit.

Me being the DUmbass I am finally spoke up in the defense of the gas company. I said something to the effect that she had just paid a little over $4 a gallon for bottled tap water that had been bottled from the town water system just 60 miles away and thought it was a helluva bargain. But she was complaining about the cost of gas that had to be removed from the ground, shipped half way round the world, refined to a finished product, pumped maybe 1,200 miles through a pipeline, trucked 60 miles to the store and then pumped into her car and she thought she was over charged. I don't remember telling her that the government had made 4 times more profit on that gas than the gas company.

Yeah, she looked at me kinda funny and didn't say anything but unlike the DUmmies, I know it never really all registered in her pea brain....no conversion, no lights came on, nothing...and I've quit trying to explain things like that to DUmb people.    
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: Wineslob on June 17, 2011, 05:06:44 PM
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What is it DUmmie, are you to good to drink tap water? If you read the label on the bottle, that's probably what you're drinking.



WRONG!

It's filtered tap water. See?
















 :-)
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: franksolich on June 17, 2011, 05:11:30 PM
WRONG!

It's filtered tap water. See?

Well.

Hell.

That's another thing.

Bottled water is filtered, and filters cost money.  That adds to the cost.

I'm not aware ice, when still water, is filtered, and hence no money spent on filters to add to the cost.
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: formerlurker on June 17, 2011, 05:22:42 PM
Bottled water?  I thought neo-cons were the only people who hated the environment?
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: Celtic Rose on June 17, 2011, 05:56:51 PM
I would wager that most of the DUmmies buy more bottled water than I do, despite being the evil Republican that I am  :-)

I have a nice big Brita filter that I fill and keep in my fridge.  I have a reusable water bottle that I fill if I'm going out, and otherwise I just drink the water from a cup.  Saves me money and I don't use all that unnecessary plastic.   O-)
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: I_B_Perky on June 17, 2011, 05:57:29 PM
OK I got a couple of comments:

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Scuba  (1000+ posts)      Fri Jun-17-11 04:59 PM
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1. Wonderful observation. I'll speculate...
 ...the reason is that water is mandatory to support life. Frozen water is optional.


Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?  That just don't make any sense. I'd figure optional would cost more. then again we are talking about dummies.  :whatever:

I wonder if the dummy understands that one can take some ice, set it out at room temp, and a few hours later one has water.


Stupid idiots.

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Well.

Hell.

That's another thing.

Bottled water is filtered, and filters cost money.  That adds to the cost.

I'm not aware ice, when still water, is filtered, and hence no money spent on filters to add to the cost.

I know a guy that works for a bottled water place. It is nothing more than tap water filtered. I can put a filter on my tap and get the same thing.

Moron dummies.

As an aside... if you would have told me 20 years ago that people would pay for bottled water I would have laughed at you.

Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: Duke Nukum on June 17, 2011, 05:58:44 PM
The reason is Global Warming(TM).
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: GOBUCKS on June 17, 2011, 07:19:20 PM
Well, ice requires energy costs for freezing, specialized handling to crush and bag, and some expensive capital equipment. It serves a very clear and useful purpose. So you pay for that, plus a profit.

Bottled water is no different whatsoever from tap water, just bottled and labelled. The only thing that makes sense is the bottle, if you refill it over and over from the tap. It's like organic vegetables, which are no different whatsoever from cheaply produced normal vegetables. You pay a premium price simply for being a dumbass. Dumbasses are always seperated from their money more easily than normal people. It is one of the founding principles of free enterprise.

Paying a premium for bottled water, or organic produce, is no more reasonable than basing your life on a fear of chemtrails. No one has a right to complain about the price, when the only problem is their own dumbness.
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: thelaughingman on June 17, 2011, 11:42:26 PM
There's governmental regulation involved with the production of bottled water, to be sure it's safe for human consumption.  I'm sure that quite necessary function adds something to cost of bottled water.

Ice, not so much.

I used to work at a convenience store that sold its own ice.  Believe me, you would never buy ice from a store again if you knew where it came from.  Our ice machine was a cruddy old junker that probably hadn't been cleaned in eons.  The ice regularly had bugs, dirt and unidentified schmutz in it.  The bags were filled by hand with a scoop while sitting on the dirty floor of the back room.
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: GOBUCKS on June 18, 2011, 12:02:38 AM
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There's governmental regulation involved with the production of bottled water, to be sure it's safe for human consumption.

That's true. Just like tap water.
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: Texacon on June 19, 2011, 09:19:02 AM

That's true. Just like tap water.

The small water system I run has regulations upon regulations on top of expensive testing.  It is absolutely amazing what a water district goes through to get the water to the tap.

Even more amazing is how stupid some of the regulations are.  That is a thread unto itself though.

KC
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: miskie on June 19, 2011, 09:31:47 AM
Items in a free market society cost what the marketplace is willing to bear. - There is a higher demand for bottled water (year round) than ice (seasonal) - secondly - most people make their own ice, either with automatic ice dispensers in their refrigerators, or ice cube trays.  Those who buy bags of ice are usually planning on dumping them into a cooler - an occasional event.
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: jukin on June 19, 2011, 10:02:48 AM
As P.T. Barnum said "There is a sucker (DUmbass) born every minute."
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: Freeper on June 19, 2011, 10:22:02 AM
Here's something that will blow their tiny minds, at Publix they have 2 liter bottles of Coke for about a buck and a half. In the front of the store they have 20 ounce bottles of Coke in coolers that cost about a buck and a half.

Why is that they may ask?
It is because you are paying for the convenience of having a cold Coke to sip on while you drive home, and people are willing to pay that money in order to have that.




Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: Texacon on June 19, 2011, 10:26:50 AM
Here's something that will blow their tiny minds, at Publix they have 2 liter bottles of Coke for about a buck and a half. In the front of the store they have 20 ounce bottles of Coke in coolers that cost about a buck and a half.

Why is that they may ask?
It is because you are paying for the convenience of having a cold Coke to sip on while you drive home, and people are willing to pay that money in order to have that.

Great example of how the market works.

KC
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: vesta111 on June 19, 2011, 11:29:32 AM
Interesting concept here.     Sell colored ice in cubes at twice the price of plain old ice.   

We sell colored water with a flavoring added, why not turn it into ice?  Much can be done with ice to make people pay more for it then bottled water.

Ice is interesting, fill a glass 3/4 full and add ice and due to displacement when the ice melts the glass never overflows.

Some ideas in the past are now gone.  Some Asian Company in the 1970's manufactured colored balls filled with water that were to be frozen and used as ice in drinks and could be used over and over again.  All well and good until the balls began to split open and the fluid inside was harboring all kinds of nasty bacteria.

I remember finding a long dead relative on the Hawian census that worked doing what?? In an ice factory in the late 1800's fascinates me of how and where the ice came from back then.
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: thelaughingman on June 19, 2011, 07:38:56 PM
It is because you are paying for the convenience of having a cold Coke to sip on while you drive home, and people are willing to pay that money in order to have that.

DUmmies will never understand that.  They think that stores should kowtow to their whims and ignore things like that or supply and demand.
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: seahorse513 on June 19, 2011, 08:08:30 PM
Not only that, but the individual vendor(Coke, Pepsi, etc...)has to come in  and maintain the refrigeration devices, fill it everyday or every other. Retail facilties like Walmart have a contract with big soda companies. In the contract there is probably a refigerator"s rental fee. Though it is not exactly rocket science, some people(DUmmies) may not realize this.
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: thundley4 on June 19, 2011, 08:19:35 PM
Our vending machine at work has a 20 oz. bottle of water or soda for the same low price, $1.00.   I take one bottle from home home and refill it out of the water cooler .
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: Chris_ on June 19, 2011, 08:20:35 PM
Our vending machine at work has a 20 oz. bottle of water or soda for the same low price, $1.00.   I take one bottle from home home and refill it out of the water cooler .

The only time I buy water jugs is distilled water for my car's radiator.  I have plenty of "bottled water" at home as a result.
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: seahorse513 on June 19, 2011, 08:34:19 PM
I drink alot of Diet Coke, when i am finished with bottle, I refill it with tap water and freeze it and voila!!! That would be good to use as a cooling element for a cooler too!! Once the ice is melted, you can drink it as water, and no more wasted water....
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: GOBUCKS on June 19, 2011, 08:50:56 PM
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I refill it with tap water and freeze it and voila!
Damn! That makes me miss know-it-all nadin. She always writes that word "wallah".
When nadin went to school (in the third world), Pam Dawson taught spelling.
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: I_B_Perky on June 19, 2011, 08:58:32 PM
Interesting concept here.     Sell colored ice in cubes at twice the price of plain old ice.   

We sell colored water with a flavoring added, why not turn it into ice?  Much can be done with ice to make people pay more for it then bottled water.


Back many years ago when I was a kid, my great aunt had a little plastic container thing, 12 tubular things kinda like an ice tray, that had plastic sticks on it that you could put down in the liquid. You filled it up, put the sticks in it, tossed it in the freezer for 3 or 4 hours and you had pop-sicles. We made coke-sicles, kool aid-sicles,  you name it, we froze it. She grew up during the depression and just couldn't see paying for something she could make on her own. We also put coke in ice cube trays and froze it. Man they were good when it was in the high 90's.

I still make coke cubes for the nieces and nephews, who are now in their mid 20's with kids of their own, when they invade Uncle Perky's household every 4th of July.
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: Chris_ on June 19, 2011, 09:06:07 PM
I remember those... my parents used to make orange juice popsicles during the summer.  Grocery stores still had them for sale as late as 1990 but I haven't seen any since then.  I did find some online last week.
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: Mike220 on June 19, 2011, 09:11:28 PM
I remember those... my parents used to make orange juice popsicles during the summer.  Grocery stores still had them for sale as late as 1990 but I haven't seen any since then.  I did find some online last week.

I saw them at Walmart a few days ago. Brought back memories of child hood. Would love some Coke-sicles right about now actually.

I'm one of those people that will spend $1.50 on a bottle of water. Every Monday I buy one on my way to work, the refill it the rest of the week. I'll drink 4-5 of those on a normal work day.
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: miskie on June 19, 2011, 09:18:14 PM
Interesting concept here.     Sell colored ice in cubes at twice the price of plain old ice.   

We sell colored water with a flavoring added, why not turn it into ice?  Much can be done with ice to make people pay more for it then bottled water.



your post gave me flashbacks..

[youtube=425,349]12IND9q8_d0[/youtube]
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: I_B_Perky on June 19, 2011, 09:36:00 PM
I remember those... my parents used to make orange juice popsicles during the summer.  Grocery stores still had them for sale as late as 1990 but I haven't seen any since then.  I did find some online last week.

Oh I had forgotten about the orange juice-sicles. Man those things were great! We did chocolate milk one time. It sucked.

My great aunt made coffee-sicles. She would take cold coffee and mix some hershey syrup in it. Then freeze it. I've always drank coffee since I was a kid and I must say it wasn't half bad. I loved the candy called coffee nips. Ya all ever had them? Dunno if you can even get them now.
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: seahorse513 on June 19, 2011, 10:34:07 PM
your post gave me flashbacks..

[youtube=425,349]12IND9q8_d0[/youtube]

That used to be right before or after School House Rock on saturday mornings. Those were the days!!!!
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: vesta111 on June 20, 2011, 09:16:22 AM
First I remember these things were sold as Tupper Ware.

Today we can still buy Freeze Pops at Walmart that are plastic tubes that hold perhaps 3 0z 0f colored sugared  and flavored frozen ice water.  The kids bite or rip off the top and suck out the ice inside.   some boxes containing 50 of these summer delights cost less then $5.00.   Problem is what to do with a bunch of kids running about and dropping the empty plastic containers on the ground.   
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: Rebel on June 20, 2011, 09:48:47 AM
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Snoutport  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jun-17-11 04:57 PM
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Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice? I just picked up a 16 oz. bottle of water and an 8 lb bag of ice. The bottle of water was $1.69. The ice was $1.50. Whatever happened to a fair price for a product? My guess is the water bottle didn't cost much more to make than the power bought to freeze the water. Shipping should go by weight so, the ice should cost much much more for shipping.

American business makes me despair sometimes.

Why? Because you bought it, moron. Welcome to Capitalism. If idiots didn't buy expensive bottles of water, they wouldn't cost 1.69.

BTW dipshit, you can get a 30 pack of bottled water from Sam's for less than 5 bucks. Trust me, I do it all the time.
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: GOBUCKS on June 20, 2011, 11:09:12 AM
I buy maybe six bottles of water a year, maybe less. I just want the bottles to refill over and over, because they are so handy.
Each bottle comes with a Handy Cap.

Bottled water reminds me of the gum we used to buy to get the baseball cards. It was in flat squares that crumbled, and tasted like
hell. Every kid I knew bought the gum whenever he could come up with a nickel, took the baseball card, and threw away the gum.

I'd pay exactly the same price, just as often, if they poured out the water and just packaged the bottles. In fact, it would be appreciated, because they would be lighter to carry home.

That's an interesting marketing question. If you packaged empty plastic bottles, and put them next to packages of bottles full of water, with exactly the same price, which item would sell best? I'd always take the empty ones.
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: Karin on June 20, 2011, 12:01:01 PM
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Handy Cap.
  I got that.   :lmao:

But did you also read the DUmmie's advice about how to make an awesome bread tie device?

Take your empty water bottle.
Saw off the top.
Go to emergency room and have your hand stitched and the blood stanched.
Thread the bread wrapper into the underside of the halved bottle
Screw on the Handy Cap! 
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: Texacon on June 20, 2011, 01:04:40 PM
  I got that.   :lmao:

But did you also read the DUmmie's advice about how to make an awesome bread tie device?

Take your empty water bottle.
Saw off the top.
Go to emergency room and have your hand stitched and the blood stanched.
Thread the bread wrapper into the underside of the halved bottle
Screw on the Handy Cap! 

 :lmao:

KC
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: NHSparky on June 20, 2011, 01:43:45 PM
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Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?


Simple answer?  Because pretentious dipshits like you will pay for it.
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: Ptarmigan on June 20, 2011, 01:54:47 PM
You can make ice at home with the an ice cube maker and water. Just put in the freezer and you got ice. As for bottled water costing more, just buy bulk.
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: miskie on June 20, 2011, 02:51:31 PM
You can make ice at home with the an ice cube maker and water. Just put in the freezer and you got ice. As for bottled water costing more, just buy bulk.

Pfft. Just go to one of those water kiosks with an empty jug - nothing beats 25 cents a gallon.
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: IassaFTots on June 20, 2011, 03:00:08 PM
Pfft. Just go to one of those water kiosks with an empty jug - nothing beats 25 cents a gallon.

I have a RO filter, and have tasty water any time I want.
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: miskie on June 20, 2011, 04:18:30 PM
I have a RO filter, and have tasty water any time I want.

Right, but you aren't a primitive, and will actually change the filter periodically. The primitive is just better off paying the quarter and not actually having to do any work.
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: GOBUCKS on June 20, 2011, 08:00:28 PM
Pfft. Just go to one of those water kiosks with an empty jug - nothing beats 25 cents a gallon.
I just checked my bill. For 25 cents, I get about 100 gallons, and in a blind comparison no one can tell the difference.
Title: Re: Why does a 16 oz. bottle of water cost more than 8 lbs of ice?
Post by: AprilRazz on June 21, 2011, 06:07:44 AM
First I remember these things were sold as Tupper Ware.

Today we can still buy Freeze Pops at Walmart that are plastic tubes that hold perhaps 3 0z 0f colored sugared  and flavored frozen ice water.  The kids bite or rip off the top and suck out the ice inside.   some boxes containing 50 of these summer delights cost less then $5.00.   Problem is what to do with a bunch of kids running about and dropping the empty plastic containers on the ground.   
I had something like this growing up.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HoZcnRbEDDA/S6zPJ_6u7MI/AAAAAAAABQM/IexzyyQH9b0/s1600/42-PopsicleMolds.jpg)
Those freeze pops are medicinal. We had a small collision between two 5 year olds the other day. Both boys were running around the yard and neither one was looking where they were going till it was too late. One ended up with a goose egg on the forehead and the other had a bloody mouth. Both were in tears. Those freeze pops not only help with a bloody mouth but they cure crying. :rotf: