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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: GOBUCKS on June 15, 2011, 08:31:38 PM
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After DUmmy Snotspout chastises the DUmp for criticizing Bachmann's serving as a foster parent, Pedro Picasso steps in, and ends up getting his ass handed to him by Snotspout and a host of other DUmmies. Poor Pedro.
Snoutport (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 07:07 PM
Original message
If you haven't opened your home to a foster kid how can you rip Bachmann on the issue?
Let me get this straight: I don't like Bachmann. She's awful. I think she is an idiot. I can't stand her.
But this year all but three of my students were in foster care. I take food to the teen homeless shelter on a regular basis and have put in an extra garden plot just to grow them vegetables so they can eat. My mother grew up in an orphanage. So, I'm the first to say this society throws away children all the time. There are kids in your city who will be eating their dinner out of a garbage can tonight.
So don't knock Bachmann for doing something that many of us bleeding heart liberals haven't bothered to do. Take a kid in off the street or from the foster system.
If she abused them, fine, report it. If she used them, fine, report it. But if you don't have proof or haven't talked to the kids themselves then to put her down for fostering kids puts down every family who has saved a kid from life in an orphanage or on the street.
I have never been so mad about DU posts before but this is a low that is way lower than most of us can condone. If we can't acknowledge one good thing in our political opposites we are no better than them.
edit: (and, yes, 23 is a lot of kids but I know a family that has a room just for foster kids in emergencies. Last year they had AT LEAST four kids stay that I know of and one kid who is there permanently so they have had five since I met them last year. Some foster kids stay a week, some a few nights, others need a new home).
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1303253
Atman (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 07:12 PM
Response to Original message
3. I'll say it...I'll go out on a limb...here it goes...
Taking in "a foster child" or a couple of foster children is one thing. Taking in 23 children when you already have five of your own, and homeschooling them as well...I'm sorry, but there is something kinda creepy and weird about that. I have no problem with generous people who take children in need into their homes. But this is way beyond that. WAY beyond. And I'm not afraid to say that it creeps me out.
JohnnyLib2 (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 07:15 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. Most foster parents have several at a time, for years.
That includes sibling groups. That sometimes includes very brief stays, as when a child is removed from a home under emergency conditions.
(I don't know any details of Bachman's foster children, but suspect that's the case.)
Atman (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #5
11. "Several at a time...for years..."
So how many kids does "several" make up, over how many years? 23 kids. If you take the definition of "several" to mean somewhere around 6-8, that's a LOT of kids over a span of what?...21 years (7 years for each group). How old is Bachmann? What about her OWN kids? FIVE of them. How did she divide her parenting time? This just sounds...well, I'll say it again...creepy.
Brickbat (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #11
19. It's entirely possible that one lived with her from age 8 to age 18 and 22 others came in for an
emergency weekend, 2 kids every year. WTF is wrong with you?
gkhouston (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #5
13. +1. The point is, we know virtually nothing about her foster kids
and how she treated them. And until we do, it's lower than whaleshit to diss her based on zero credible information.
emilyg (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 07:50 PM
Response to Reply #3
39. You should have stayed off
the limb.
Lucinda (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 07:14 PM
Response to Original message
4. This place gets so mean at times it takes my breath away
martymar64 (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #34
69. I'm guessing she has crops that need to be picked and doesn't want to pay for labor
Foster kids would make great slaves . . .
AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 09:00 PM
Response to Original message
70. Easy: she only took the kids in order to kill and eat them.
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Some of the DUmmies will not be satisfied until all 23 come forward and testify in court as to how they were treated.
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I don't like Bachmann. She's awful. I think she is an idiot. I can't stand her.
You can't be an idiot if you are a federal tax litigation attorney you ****ing asswipe. Liberals try to label conservatives as idiots because liberals can't debate the issues. Bush was an idiot who was the mastermind of 9/11, went to war for oil and profited from it and is a war criminal who is walking around scott-free.
:whatever:
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How low can these people possibly go? some really disgusting responses in that thread.
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Atman
I'll say it...I'll go out on a limb...here it goes...
Taking in 23 children when you already have five of your own, and homeschooling them as well...I'm sorry, but there is something kinda creepy and weird about that.
Pedro is, once again, showing his own hypocracy.
If this were Rosa DeLauro, or Kathleen Hochul, or Louise Slaughter, or Maxine Waters, or Loretta Sanchez, or Gabrielle Giffords, instead Of Michelle Bachmann, would Pedro find it "creepy?" No, he wouldn't.
You're two-faced, Pedro, but what else is new with you.
Poor Pedro.
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Amazing. These are the same people that go on and on about how pro-lifers don't do anything to care for children after they're born.
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It just seems so stupid of Pedro to express contempt for a foster parent.
Were it not for his wife's substantial income, Pedro's own children could someday be dependent on foster care.
That could even be the case for some normal people.
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CelticThunder (188 posts) Wed Jun-15-11 07:20 PM
Response to Original message
12. If she is turning out people who are as warped and evil as she is -- she is doing evil.
Oh brother. ::)
Shitspout says:
It also makes us all look bad to attack a foster mom in the eyes of many many people.
You've got that exactly right, and we're here to broadcast it as far and wide as possible. World, I present to you: Liberal Democrats.
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tnlefty (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #21
67. I understand what you're getting at, and I don't believe that
foster kids should be placed with an idiot like Bachmann.
However, decades ago, my spouse and I filled out the paperwork to register as foster parents, prior to having our family get larger. We had the first telephone interview, followed by an in-house interview. Everything was fine. During the second interview I merely asked that if we could afford to shelter, clothe and feed any kids that might come our way, just merely mentioned if the money that the state would send, setting that money aside in a savings account for each and every child, with someone from the state overseeing all of it, so that the money could be saved for any child, not us, got us booted and really quick.
We had our hearts in the right place, and we wanted any money from the state that we might receive to have the kids, saved for them as I'm well aware that it's tough for them when they exit foster care, but apparently that was too much for the state of TN to consider. However, the state will dole out money to religious institutions that suck up the money and abuse the kids. Yeah, I've heard some of the stories from those kids.
Just because we were willing to take kids in at our expense and wanted to save any money from the state for their care for them and not abuse them, we were disqualified.
Yeah, I feel like I can gripe, just a little....
Admit it, you were disqualified after they did a background check.
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #24
34. True, she raked in $251,973 in farm subsidies (1995-2006)
Michele Bachmann: Welfare Queen
By Yasha Levine
Michele Bachmann has become well known for her anti-government tea-bagger antics, protesting health care reform and every other government “handout†as socialism. What her followers probably don’t know is that Rep. Bachmann is, to use that anti-government slur, something of a welfare queen. That’s right, the anti-government insurrectionist has taken more than a quarter-million dollars in government handouts thanks to corrupt farming subsidies she has been collecting for at least a decade.
And she’s not the only one who has been padding her bank account with taxpayer money.
Bachmann, of Minnesota, has spent much of this year agitating against health care reform, whipping up the so-called tea-baggers with stories of death panels and rationed health care. She has called for a revolution against what she sees as Barack Obama’s attempted socialist takeover of America, saying presidential policy is “reaching down the throat and ripping the guts out of freedom.â€
But data compiled from federal records by Environmental Working Group, a nonprofit watchdog that tracks the recipients of agricultural subsidies in the United States, shows that Bachmann has an inner Marxist that is perfectly at ease with profiting from taxpayer largesse. According to the organization’s records, Bachmann’s family farm received $251,973 in federal subsidies between 1995 and 2006. The farm had been managed by Bachmann’s recently deceased father-in-law and took in roughly $20,000 in 2006 and $28,000 in 2005, with the bulk of the subsidies going to dairy and corn. Both dairy and corn are heavily subsidized—or “socializedâ€â€”businesses in America (in 2005 alone, Washington spent $4.8 billion propping up corn prices) and are subject to strict government price controls. These subsidies are at the heart of America’s bizarre planned agricultural economy and as far away from Michele Bachmann’s free-market dream world as Cuba’s free medical system. If American farms such as hers were forced to compete in the global free market, they would collapse.
--more--
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/michelle_bachman_we... /
Not bad for someone who routinely denounces socialism and "government welfare."
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How low can these people possibly go? some really disgusting responses in that thread.
Do you really want to know the answer to that?
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nlefty (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-16-11 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #21
67. I understand what you're getting at, and I don't believe that
foster kids should be placed with an idiot like Bachmann.
However, decades ago, my spouse and I filled out the paperwork to register as foster parents, prior to having our family get larger. We had the first telephone interview, followed by an in-house interview. Everything was fine. During the second interview I merely asked that if we could afford to shelter, clothe and feed any kids that might come our way, just merely mentioned if the money that the state would send, setting that money aside in a savings account for each and every child, with someone from the state overseeing all of it, so that the money could be saved for any child, not us, got us booted and really quick.
We had our hearts in the right place, and we wanted any money from the state that we might receive to have the kids, saved for them as I'm well aware that it's tough for them when they exit foster care, but apparently that was too much for the state of TN to consider. However, the state will dole out money to religious institutions that suck up the money and abuse the kids. Yeah, I've heard some of the stories from those kids.
Just because we were willing to take kids in at our expense and wanted to save any money from the state for their care for them and not abuse them, we were disqualified.
Yeah, I feel like I can gripe, just a little....
That's not why you were disqualified.....
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Well, that's a little more than $20,000 a year, for twelve years.
One suspects the subway cat gets that much per year in welfare and subsidies.
I don't much care for it, but hey, the congresswoman's not the only one.
The Las Vegas Leviathan? How about him? The Odinnumbers primitive? How about him?
If the primitives are doing it, the primitives should be okay with Bachmann doing it.
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Do you really want to know the answer to that?
It just continues to amaze me how low they'll sink, and they just prove that Randy's quote in my siggy is 100% right.
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According to the organization’s records, Bachmann’s family farm received $251,973 in federal subsidies between 1995 and 2006. The farm had been managed by Bachmann’s recently deceased father-in-law
Wow, I never knew that I am responsible for my father-in-law's business decisions!!! I guess I must be, since Bachmann is evidently responsible for her father-in-law's decisions. ::) ::) ::) Isn't it funny how they have no problem with people that don't work at all, or with healthcare facilities that take Medicare and Medicaid? Or with colleges and universities that take FAFSA money (unless they're Christian, of course...) ::) ::) ::)