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In a letter sent Tuesday afternoon, Mr. Boehner, the top Republican in the constitutional chain of succession, said Mr. Obama must provide a clear justification for committing troops to Libya by Friday. Sunday marks the 90th day since the president notified Congress that U.S. troops had been committed to help enforce a no-fly zone over Libya, which is designed to protect the rebels fighting Col. Moammar Gadhafi’s government.
In a letter sent Tuesday afternoon, Mr. Boehner, the top Republican in the constitutional chain of succession, said Mr. Obama must provide a clear justification for committing troops to Libya by Friday, which marks the 90th day since the president committed U.S. troops, and the clock started ticking under the War Powers Resolution.
“The Constitution requires the president to ‘take care that the laws be faithfully executed,’ and one of those laws is the War Powers Resolution, which requires an approving action by Congress or withdrawal within 90 days from the notification of a military operation,†Mr. Boehner said in the letter.
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While libya is pointless and poorly-conceived with the military on a very ridiculous leash the WPA is unconstituional. Boehner is cutting off the balls of future Republican presidents to enforce a law passed by Democrats spitefully angry at a Republican president who fought a war started by a Democrat hero.That may be so, oh wise and powerful bunny. But its still law.
That may be so, oh wise and powerful bunny. But its still law.
Until its challenged or repealed, it is a fun way to cudgel the president.
I see this as Boehner is bluffing, and Barry knows it.
Boehner wouldn't cut off funding for military operations in Libya, because the Dems would make political hay with that. Dems would paint Boehner as cutting off ALL the troops from ALL funding and the Repubs would not only look like fools, it would cost them in the election next year.
I say these things because Boehner does NOT articulate a clear, unbridled message.
Barry will continue to obfuscate and spin and otherwise keep Boehner guessing.
The business with increasing the debt ceiling and how Boehner blinked is all the precedent I need to see.
Hi,
Not sure if Boehner is bluffing or not but public opinion is likely on his side. Once again idiot McCain is undercutting him like he did Bush. His comment is that if a Republican was president would Boehner be doing the same thing.
Ummmmm, Mr. McCain, if a Republican was president he would have congressional approval first ya dummy!
regards,
5412
Well the dead line has passed. Obama's response was the law doesn't apply to him because he's Obama and he knows a few semantic tricks.
Monday. Its almost here. Time to watch and see if the GOP can stick to their guns.
If there was any way to place a bet, I would take you up on it..
Wait OK. I'll bet you 10 H5s that the GOP will cut funding. If I lose I'll H5 you 10 times...and visa versa.
How about it?
While libya is pointless and poorly-conceived with the military on a very ridiculous leash the WPA is unconstituional. Boehner is cutting off the balls of future Republican presidents to enforce a law passed by Democrats spitefully angry at a Republican president who fought a war started by a Democrat hero.
I'll take that bet sir.
OK, your on. Lets give them till Friday to make the actual vote. OK?
and If I'll lose, I will have the weekend to make 10 visits and pay my debt.
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2upb91c.jpg)How very true Janice.
Move along folks ...
no balls here.
Nothing will happen. Obama will state this provision does not apply and thumb his nose at the Repubs. He even snubs court ordered decisions to resume drilling in the gulf. He considers himself above the other two branches of government.
He makes that assumption at his own peril. There will come a day when he's reminded of the fact that they are co-equal. It may come from SCOTUS when they weigh in on Obamacare
breaking on fox: House Rejects Resolution Giving President Obama Authority to Continue U.S. Military Action in Libya
Now the shit will hit the fan. IOW, obastard will stick his finger into the blades.
:popcorn: :popcorn:
More hot air. Unless they actually cut the purse strings, and take away The Boy pResident's toys, what's to stopLordEmperor ObeyWon from ignoring them like he ignores the Judicial branch?
House Refuses To Authorize Libyan War, Then Refuses To Defund Libyan War
The House delivered a surprising split decision on Libya Friday: Voting against authorizing the use of American forces there and then, an hour later, refusing to limit funding for the mission.
In essence, the House decided that it will neither endorse nor totally reject American intervention in Libya.
What?
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/house-refuses-to-authorize-libyan-war-then-refuses-to-defund-libyan-war/
Real simple. The rough, tough cream puff, Boner, called out The Boy pResident to a showdown, and when high noon rolled around, he blinked.Yeah, that's what I thought it said.
All 535 of these ****ers need to be posed for rifle fire. No exceptions.
Rooney Takes Blame for Failed Vote to Defund Libya Operation (http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/06/24/rooney-takes-blame-failed-vote-defund-libya-operation)
by Chad Pergram | June 24, 2011
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Earlier in the week, House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, planned to put just two, non-binding resolutions on the House floor that would ask lawmakers to authorize or not authorize the U.S. involvement in the Libyan conflict and also limit involvement to non-combat roles.
However, after a meeting of House Republicans on Wednesday, Boehner shifted course as the GOP announced it would put a bill with teeth on the floor that would defund the operation.
Many rank and file Republicans, led by Rooney, demanded more serious consequences and not just a resolution.
So Rooney drafted a bill that the GOP brass agreed to put on the floor. Rooney's legislation would have halted funding. But then the House voted against that plan today with 89 Republicans defecting.
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One wonders how House Speaker Boner can even function in his supposed job, with The Boy pResident's testicles completely enshrouded within his pie hole.
I hope his sorry ass is gone along with the Magic Negro.
Real simple. The rough, tough cream puff, Boner, called out The Boy pResident to a showdown, and when high noon rolled around, he blinked.
All 535 of these ****ers need to be posed for rifle fire. No exceptions.
I lost the bet. I had hoped that just once our side would have the balls to stand up and do something.
Obama knows he can rule by decree now and the GOP won't stop him. Da*n the RINOs.
I will pay up my bet. Just wish I didn't have to. H5: 1
Paul: That Libya 'defunding' resolution would have actually authorized the war (http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/06/paul-libya-defunding-resolution-would-have-actually-authorized-wa)
Moments ago, Rep. Ron Paul released his floor statement on the Libya defunding resolution, which he and other anti-war Republicans voted against:
[justify]Mr. Speaker I rise to oppose this legislation, which masquerades as a limitation of funds for the president's war on Libya but is in fact an authorization for that very war. According to HR 2278, the US military cannot be involved in NATO's actions in Libya, with four important exceptions. If this passes, for the first time the president would be authorized to use US Armed Forces to engage in search and rescue; intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance; aerial refueling; and operational planning against Libya. Currently, absent an authorization or declaration of war, these activities are illegal. So instead of ending the war against Libya, this bill would legalize nearly everything the president is currently doing there.
That the war in Libya can be ended by expanding it and providing the president a legal excuse to continue makes no sense. If this bill fails, the entirety of what the president is doing in Libya would remain illegal.[/justify]
Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/06/paul-libya-defunding-resolution-would-have-actually-authorized-wa#ixzz1QEc2vxkr
Libya defunding vote underestimates anti-war sentiment in the House (http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/06/libya-defunding-vote-underestimates-anti-war-sentiment-house)
A grand total of eight House Republicans voted to approve U.S. involvement in the Libyan War. They were:
Charlie Dent, R-Pa.
David Dreier, R-Calif.
Steve King, R-Iowa
Pete King, R-N.Y.
Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill.
Thad McCotter, R-Mich.
David Rivera, R-Fla.
Mike Rogers, R-Mich.
The overall vote was 123-295 against. In a separate vote, 180 members (including 86 Republicans) voted to de-fund the war effort.
Here's some of the names.
Oh and Rooney should hold his head in shame as it was his legislation. Why in God's name would be demand legislation he didn't secure support for? Jackasses.
Boner planed on limp-dicking it, got called on it by the new guy, told the new guy, "oh yeah, go for it if you think we can do it", and then did absolutely nothing further to back theThe fix was in after Bonehead and the O played a round of golf. The majority of voters do not want us in another war. If Boenher can not rally the troops and twist arms, he needs to go.new guypatsy when time to vote fell to zero.
And now, of course, the new guy/patsy is falling on his sword for the failure of Boner's linguini spine.
If I was a Sith Lord, I'd be choking the ever loving shit out of Boner right now, and calling for the names of the other 89 assholes who 86'ed the defunding measure.
What good is a non-binding resolution?
Give me a break.
What good is a non-binding resolution? Nothing more than lip service.
Give me a break.
You ever hear of a thing called principles? Doing the right thing regardless of support or popularity?
Rooney should hold his head high and be proud for what he tried to do.
I'm tired of this whole play along to get along bullshit inside the beltway. So is most of America as the mid-term elections seem to indicate.
You're right rich. It's the HOR's version of the "strongly worded letter" that we make fun of the UNSC for issuing, because they act like it means something. It's worth less than the paper it's printed on because blank paper at least has potential for good use.
I'm tired of this whole play along to get along bullshit inside the beltway. So is most of America as the mid-term elections seem to indicate.
Let's look at this realistically. Defunding this would NEVER EVER EVER pass the senate, so it was all for show anyway right? So why the hell did we need this Rooney legislation?
The non-binding resolutions had support and that is what Boehner should have presented. The resolutions pass, and throws the ball and pressure into the Senate with Obama on the defense.
Now the freakin House looks like a bunch of stupid chumps. Boehner made a bad call, but he did it trying to please the "real" conservatives who can't understand how to get the hell out of their own way.
Just unbelievable.
First off, doesn't Comrade Romney need you back at the phone bank? :cheers1:
Now, WTH? Realistically? Since when has doing the ****ing job he ran for been throwing a sop to the rabid conservatives nipping at his heels? Whatever happened to words ****ing meaning things in the English language? The constitution puts the President in sole charge of the military and it's employment: check. The constitution gives congress the control over the military's purse, as well as defining who the President is allowed to target with that military he's in charge of. When democrat presidents started playing fast and loose with the definitions, and sending that military places it didn't have a congress' authorization to go, Congress responded by publishing the War Powers Resolution (not Act), another of those non-binding resolutions you were touting so highly up there. WPR, added definition to the Constitution's general terms: military in places which aren't home, where bangs are banging and metal is more prevalent in the air than mosquitoes for more than 90 days is overstepping your authority, and says that Congress shall reassert IT's authority if you cross that line.
So, now we have a president who hasn't just crossed the constitutional line of US troops in harms way without a declaration of war, he's crossed the line set by WPR by keeping them there longer than 90 days without congressional authorization, and when the office which he holds requires Boehner to put his ****ing foot down, remind the President that he's not a ****ing one-man *******ed show, and remove access to the taxpayer funds that the President is using in his abuse of authority, you think ANOTHER non-binding resolution should do the ****ing trick?!?! Based on what evidence, 'lurker?
The freakin' house looks like a bunch of chumps because their speaker has amply demonstrated that the law - Constitution included - and it's requirements don't mean dick to them, compared to the personal exercise of power. That when the law required them to pull on their big-boy underwear and do the hard thing because it was the right thing, they got down on their ****ing knees and gave O'Bozo's dick a great big, wet, slurpy suck, just like good little eunuchs. Boehner has nobody to blame for the aftertaste in his mouth but himself.
Congress doesn't have the courage of its convictions, but I'm not sure Congress has any genuine convictions here. So...now what? :bs:
Did anyone read more than the headlines to learn the reason why those Republicans voted against Rooney's legislation?
Doubtful, but wanted to throw the question out there.
ill make it crystal. I don't trust any of em. R or D's. their all a bunch a parasites. and their back door deals with each other are made to get what they want. your $$$. so if your Naive enough to think some fu*kin R is gonna save your ass then salute. as for this mess its clear as mud. ill believe when i see it and not a sec before.
First off, doesn't Comrade Romney need you back at the phone bank? :cheers1:
Now, WTH? Realistically? Since when has doing the ****ing job he ran for been throwing a sop to the rabid conservatives nipping at his heels? Whatever happened to words ****ing meaning things in the English language? The constitution puts the President in sole charge of the military and it's employment: check. The constitution gives congress the control over the military's purse, as well as defining who the President is allowed to target with that military he's in charge of. When democrat presidents started playing fast and loose with the definitions, and sending that military places it didn't have a congress' authorization to go, Congress responded by publishing the War Powers Resolution (not Act), another of those non-binding resolutions you were touting so highly up there. WPR, added definition to the Constitution's general terms: military in places which aren't home, where bangs are banging and metal is more prevalent in the air than mosquitoes for more than 90 days is overstepping your authority, and says that Congress shall reassert IT's authority if you cross that line.
So, now we have a president who hasn't just crossed the constitutional line of US troops in harms way without a declaration of war, he's crossed the line set by WPR by keeping them there longer than 90 days without congressional authorization, and when the office which he holds requires Boehner to put his ****ing foot down, remind the President that he's not a ****ing one-man *******ed show, and remove access to the taxpayer funds that the President is using in his abuse of authority, you think ANOTHER non-binding resolution should do the ****ing trick?!?! Based on what evidence, 'lurker?
The freakin' house looks like a bunch of chumps because their speaker has amply demonstrated that the law - Constitution included - and it's requirements don't mean dick to them, compared to the personal exercise of power. That when the law required them to pull on their big-boy underwear and do the hard thing because it was the right thing, they got down on their ****ing knees and gave O'Bozo's dick a great big, wet, slurpy suck, just like good little eunuchs. Boehner has nobody to blame for the aftertaste in his mouth but himself.
Well then, you got what you wanted today because the principled legislation failed on an epic level and that is Boehner's fault?
Reality will tell you the only thing accomplished with this principled legislation is a huge slap to the credibility of the GOP, and absolutely nothing more.
pressure it placed on the Senate (who is not passing anything with "bite"), and it keeps Obama on the defense.
The only naive person here is the one that thinks this will EVER change.
It won't change as long as people like you keep voting in liberals with an R behind their name.
The GOP lost most of it's credibility with me a long time ago, and lame-ass non-binding resolutions that accomplish nothing aren't going to improve their credibility with me.
Would Rooney's legislation have passed the Senate? Probably not, but it would have shown the American people that the House at least is serious about reigning in this out of control jackass in the WH.
Pressure on the Senate? Keeping Obama on the defensive with a non-binding resolution?
I got a good chuckle out of that.
Did you forget that this is a man (Obama) that routinely ignores Federal court orders and rulings and just generally uses the Constitution to wipe his ass? Do you honestly think a non-binding House resolution is going to scare him?
If the GOP doesn't get some steel in it's spine soon, Obama probably will win re-election and the DEMS might even win back several House seats as many conservative voters will just say to hell with the GOP and either sit it out or vote 3rd party.
The American public is getting fed up with the shenanigans in DC. IMO that is why so many of the so called Tea Party Candidates won election during the mid-terms.
It won't change as long as people like you keep voting in liberals with an R behind their name.
H5 to you and DefiantSix.
:cheersmate:
The White House may not have conquered, but it was happy enough to divide. And Obama’s press secretary Jay Carney – sounding a lot like a Bush White House spokesman hitting Democrats opposing the Iraq war – wasted little time in tackling Republicans who rejected continuing the Libya mission.
“We think now is not the time to send the kind of mixed message that it sends when we are working with our allies to achieve the goals that we believe that are widely shared in Congress, that — protecting civilians in Libya, enforcing a no-fly zone, enforcing an arms embargo and further putting pressure on Qadhafi,†Carney told reporters flying on Air Force One.
“Now is not the time to let up.â€
The funding vote split the GOP conference, with 89 Republicans bucking leadership, dealing House Speaker John Boehner a stunning 238-to-180 defeat.
Defectors included some of the party’s highest wattage Congressional stars: Michelle Bachmann (R-Minn.), Paul Ryan (R-Wisc.), Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) and Mike Pence (R-Ind.) who all voted to fund Obama’s “Operation Odyssey Dawn.â€
Well the legislation went up and it failed miserably, so the only thing accomplished is the GOP looks like inept chumps.
Boehner didn't do enough to get his soldiers to pass this legislation.
See this is where you demonstrate your political immaturity and ignorance. A resolution was never meant to "scare" him -- I am actually getting a good chuckle that you actually think Rooney's legislation would have. The resolution is for media and public perception purposes. Keeping Obama on the defensive over Libya is a GOOD thing going into the 2012 election cycle. You are completely delusional if you think anything else would have come of this.
Boehner needs to stop reading the "real" conservative forums and act like a leader who gets legislation passed. I don't want dog and pony show legislation
I have a dream... that dream is going to kill us in 2012.
We need a cheerleader smilie --- hooray for our team.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/57744.html#ixzz1QHpNgqva
That's because a large portion of the GOP actually is a group of inept chumps. Come on... McCain for President? Romney will be their selection for 2012. Yeah... There's a real conservative for ya.
Show me where I said that.
I truly wish I had lost that bet. But Boehner gives a whole new meaning to the phrase limp dick ***** boy. I knew he wouldn't have the spine to stand up to Teh One.
I didn't say it would scare him. I asked if you thought it would. Do you honsestly think that a non-binding House resolution would have kept Obama on the defensive? I don't care if Rooney's legislation would have scared the asshat in the WH. It would have indicated that the House was serious about at least attempting to reign in the would be emperor.
And I am telling you that I do NOT think that a non-binding House resolution would have kept Obama on the defensive any more than he already is. It would have been wasted paper and a lot of us know that.
Keep up with the insults though, it seems to be all you have going for you on this issue.
Yup. Your dream of another Lib lite on the ballot probably is going to kill us in 2012.
Snarky little bitch when folks don't see things your way ain't ya?
Oh yeah ... this is your source?
Lets just get the DNC's "take" on whats happening "behind the scenes" .. err .. I mean Politico's.
:whatever:
Hmmm, seeing as I have not yet decided who I am supporting kindly show me where I have stated this, or even inferred it.
You were on this board practically drooling all over yourself when Romney announced he was running. Now that doesn't mean you have fully decided yet, but it sure seems to indicate which way you tilt politically speaking.
Really? where.
:popcorn:
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Next.
You were on this board practically drooling all over yourself when Romney announced he was running. Now that doesn't mean you have fully decided yet, but it sure seems to indicate which way you tilt politically speaking.
Let's just say it's an impression I got after reading your defense of him in the past.
Good Lord gal.... I don't live here. Nor do I post on your time line. I post on my own time line and at my convenience not yours.
If that bugs you, well too bad.
Let's just say you got nothing, like your cheerleading squad here.
How about next time you actually have facts prior to forming opinions? I know, I know, far too much to ask.
:whatever:
Get.Over.Yourself.
I know, I know, far too much to ask.
How about you not telling me how to formulate my own opinions.
Or is that too much to ask from a liberal?
Take.Your.Own.Advice.
The difference between us rich is that I actually fact check and complete a decent level of due diligence prior to formulating an opinion, or even offering one.
You just like to whine, which I have to admit you are most proficient at. H5.
But I have to say that rich lost once he accused Lurker of something and then couldn't back it up.
If it makes it easier for you sleep at night to think so FL, then by all means continue to do so.
Not all of us can be as perfect as you think you are.
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Princess John Boehner
Back on topic ... the Princess has got to go. He is a great example of why many in this country see no diff between the partys.
We need somebody who will stand up to the statist tyranny. Somebody who will stand on principle. Who will put the country first and everything else on hold. Our little princess has no principals other than he thinks hes royalty, he thinks hes entitled and he cares only about his power and the expansion of that power. The other side must laugh when they see the princess bellow and 'roar' and stomp his little feet.
Maybe we can send the princess packing with his golfing buddy, Barry.
To be fair, the other side has recently offered to send in a real man to pinch hit for the princess. Former Speaker, Mr Nancy Pelosi.
ill make it crystal. I don't trust any of em. R or D's. their all a bunch a parasites. and their back door deals with each other are made to get what they want. your $$$.The
The Repubs are not to to be confused with the Dems. The rank and file (tea party) republicans are real patriots.
But they are freshmen and as such, their hands are virtually tied.
Its the leadership folks that are cutting the back room deals together, with the same "enemy" in mind: that being you and me.
Please, do not make the mistake of confusing the two.
These next two elections are critical! The RINO leadership MUST be dispensed with along with the marxists and friends on the other side of the aisle.
The Repubs are not to to be confused with the Dems. The rank and file (tea party) republicans are real patriots.Very true about the Tea Party members. Thank God for them. There are a handful of repubs that can really turn this Country around and whom that I would "trust" more so than the others. For the most part, I trust none of them and both parties sold us out BIG TIME.
But they are freshmen and as such, their hands are virtually tied.