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The Bar => The Lounge => Topic started by: ReardenSteel on April 18, 2008, 10:17:28 PM
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Provocative. Funny. Entertaining. Did I say funny?
Well worth it folks. Highly recommended.
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http://expelledthemovie.com/home.php
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Do you have red dry eyes??
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Do you have red dry eyes??
Beuller? Beuller? ...
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we had planned to see it last night and then it started hailing and snowing here... an hour later, Seattle was covered in snow..
i did look on Fandango for movie times and they seem to be trying to hide the movie.. :popcorn:
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Did Bill Dembski make an appearance in the movie?
"The Lynching of Bill Dembski" (http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&id=532)
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It got a 9% on Rotten Tomatoes. If the movie is anything like the trailer then it is based on lies and straw men.
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It got a 9% on Rotten Tomatoes. If the movie is anything like the trailer then it is based on lies and straw men.
Consensus: A cynical political stunt in the guise of a documentary. Full of patronizing, poorly structured arguments, Expelled is a cynical political stunt in the guise of a documentary.
That sounds familiar (http://www.amazon.com/Fahrenheit-9-11-Michael-Moore/dp/B000SINT52).
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Let's take a look at the critics who contributed to the 9% rating on RottenTomatoes.com...
Los Angeles CityBeat
USA Today
New York Times
TIME Magazine
New York Daily News
New York Post
Chicago Sun-Times
Newsday
Orlando Sentinel
You don't think they have their own agenda, do you?
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It got a 9% on Rotten Tomatoes. If the movie is anything like the trailer then it is based on lies and straw men.
Consensus: A cynical political stunt in the guise of a documentary. Full of patronizing, poorly structured arguments, Expelled is a cynical political stunt in the guise of a documentary.
That sounds familiar (http://www.amazon.com/Fahrenheit-9-11-Michael-Moore/dp/B000SINT52).
Good comparison. I don't think Expelled is as blatantly disingenuous as F911 (what could be?). But if you have a chance to build your own straw men with no interference it is pretty easy.
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Let's take a look at the critics who contributed to the 9% rating on RottenTomatoes.com...
Los Angeles CityBeat
USA Today
New York Times
TIME Magazine
New York Daily News
New York Post
Chicago Sun-Times
Newsday
Orlando Sentinel
You don't think they have their own agenda, do you?
Let's see how he box office goes.
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Did Bill Dembski make an appearance in the movie?
"The Lynching of Bill Dembski" (http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&id=532)
Yeah. He was featured somewhat. One of maybe half a dozen or so of the "expelled" scientist.
There was a lot of hit and miss stuff for me in the movie. There was no hard sell for ID which I was glad of but there was almost no scientific explanation of either ID or Darwinism or anything else which was a disapintment.
It was a "hit" IMO as far as it was a poke in the eye to the establishment. It was also, and knowing Ben Stein I should have seen this comming, downright hilarious at times. (particularly the first half of the movie) The biggest hit though was the movie leaves one (me anyway) provoked into wanting to go out and learn more.
It was a "miss" IMO in the heavy use of some of the imagery. For example, it's fair to say that the Nazis were Darwinist and euginics was the "science" advocated partly in his name. (Americans who promoted euginics are also covered somewhat) However this hand was way overplayed. Expelled was careful to say that Darwinist are not Nazis but the movie still uses the Nazis were Darwinist point way out of proportion to the debate on academic freedom. There was also a fascinating (perhaps?) computer animation of the complexity of even a single celled organism but the animation played w/o any explanation of what was going on. (I'm a layman and only recognised the DNA structure, maybe some proteins of the High School chemestry variety)
All in all, the film does not make you feel more educated on the facts. It succeeds greatly though, in creating a desire to get educated. One of the better points made (and I'm paraphrasing) was that Darwin himself was anti-establishment and would have a very difficult road ahead of him in todays academic climate.
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I'm making spaghetti for supper tonight, meatballs or just throw hamburger in the sauce?
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I'm making spaghetti for supper tonight, meatballs or just throw hamburger in the sauce?
Dear God and all his Angels!
MEATBALLS!!!
As IF!!!
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I'm making spaghetti for supper tonight, meatballs or just throw hamburger in the sauce?
Dear God and all his Angels!
MEATBALLS!!!
As IF!!!
Meatballs and can I come over? I'll clear the table afterwards.
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you guys are worse than my kid! ok, meatballs it is
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I'm making spaghetti for supper tonight, meatballs or just throw hamburger in the sauce?
Dear God and all his Angels!
MEATBALLS!!!
As IF!!!
Meatballs and can I come over? I'll clear the table afterwards.
Well. Far be it from me to stand in the way of a threads natural evolution. Science may not be done by consensus but by God dinner ought to be. Meatballs! The bigger the better.
:-)
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I'm making spaghetti for supper tonight, meatballs or just throw hamburger in the sauce?
Dear God and all his Angels!
MEATBALLS!!!
As IF!!!
Meatballs and can I come over? I'll clear the table afterwards.
Well. Far be it from me to stand in the way of a threads natural evolution. Science may not be done by consensus but by God dinner ought to be. Meatballs! The bigger the better.
:-)
I think we hit the irreducible complexity event horizon.
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I'm making spaghetti for supper tonight, meatballs or just throw hamburger in the sauce?
Dear God and all his Angels!
MEATBALLS!!!
As IF!!!
Meatballs and can I come over? I'll clear the table afterwards.
Well. Far be it from me to stand in the way of a threads natural evolution. Science may not be done by consensus but by God dinner ought to be. Meatballs! The bigger the better.
:-)
I think we hit the irreducible complexity event horizon.
H5
:lmao: :lmao:
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I'm making spaghetti for supper tonight, meatballs or just throw hamburger in the sauce?
Dear God and all his Angels!
MEATBALLS!!!
As IF!!!
Meatballs and can I come over? I'll clear the table afterwards.
Well. Far be it from me to stand in the way of a threads natural evolution. Science may not be done by consensus but by God dinner ought to be. Meatballs! The bigger the better.
:-)
I think we hit the irreducible complexity event horizon.
see sig line please
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see sig line please
Which long word bothers you? :)
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pretty much everything after The
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pretty much everything after The
I was mixing metaphors (and having fun doing it).
Irreducible Complexity is the idea that when a system gets to the point that removing a single part makes it cease to function, it becomes "irreducibly complex" and therefore cannot be the result of evolution. The following does a better job than I could on why this is silly, wrong and deceptive: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/ICsilly.html
"Event Horizon" is an area in a black hole beyond events cannot affect the observer. Light is actually stopped and anything that goes beyond is lost to the observer forever.
God, when I explain it, it isn't funny anymore :(
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pretty much everything after The
I was mixing metaphors (and having fun doing it).
Irreducible Complexity is the idea that when a system gets to the point that removing a single part makes it cease to function, it becomes "irreducibly complex" and therefore cannot be the result of evolution. The following does a better job than I could on why this is silly, wrong and deceptive: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/ICsilly.html
"Event Horizon" is an area in a black hole beyond events cannot affect the observer. Light is actually stopped and anything that goes beyond is lost to the observer forever.
God, when I explain it, it isn't funny anymore :(
I was hanging in there..I was with you...it was all good..until some point shortly after mixing...
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pretty much everything after The
I was mixing metaphors (and having fun doing it).
Irreducible Complexity is the idea that when a system gets to the point that removing a single part makes it cease to function, it becomes "irreducibly complex" and therefore cannot be the result of evolution. The following does a better job than I could on why this is silly, wrong and deceptive: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/ICsilly.html
"Event Horizon" is an area in a black hole beyond events cannot affect the observer. Light is actually stopped and anything that goes beyond is lost to the observer forever.
God, when I explain it, it isn't funny anymore :(
I was hanging in there..I was with you...it was all good..until some point shortly after mixing...
Irreducible complexity says that shit happens until it stops to happen. The event horizon is the point after which you can't see (or don't care) shit happen anymore.
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pretty much everything after The
I was mixing metaphors (and having fun doing it).
Irreducible Complexity is the idea that when a system gets to the point that removing a single part makes it cease to function, it becomes "irreducibly complex" and therefore cannot be the result of evolution. The following does a better job than I could on why this is silly, wrong and deceptive: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/ICsilly.html
"Event Horizon" is an area in a black hole beyond events cannot affect the observer. Light is actually stopped and anything that goes beyond is lost to the observer forever.
God, when I explain it, it isn't funny anymore :(
I was hanging in there..I was with you...it was all good..until some point shortly after mixing...
Irreducible complexity says that shit happens until it stops to happen. The event horizon is the point after which you can't see (or don't care) shit happen anymore.
I have a headache now..thanks :bird:
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I thought there would pie in this thread. :-)
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Maybe pie would have been a better choice. After all, meatballs vs. meat sauce is rather an apt metaphor for Intelligent Design vs. Just Growed Thataway.
:rotf:
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I thought there would pie in this thread. :-)
Nah just shit. We save pie for Ronbots (who are self-segregating into their own city, last I heard).
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I like pie. :-)
Maybe this thread needs more cowbell.
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I like pie. :-)
Maybe this thread needs more cowbell.
(http://www.galvestonmusicscene.com/Blog-Photos/sign-Cowbell.jpg)