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Title: To address unemployment, Georgia governor proposes farm work
Post by: GCBill on June 05, 2011, 11:42:17 PM
Someone is proposing unemployed people do USEFUL work which can be uncomfortable and doesn't pay $1200 + bennies for 24 hours a week? The savage! The brute!

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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts)

2. I live in Georgia and I am not looking for a job.
   
I am retired, but even if I did need a job, there is no way I would work outside in the hot temperature, which is in the middle to high 90s right now.

"I'll STARVE before I pick a pea-picking pea"

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matt819 (1000+ posts)

5. If the questions were intended to open a debate, then maybe that's not a bad idea
   
On the other hand, if they were intended somehow as an attack on the left, then the questions are meaningless.

Back to my initial statement - open for debate.
As another poster indicates, what does it say about us as a society when we're looking at perhaps highly trained, technically trained, educated people being urged to do farmwork?

Perhaps that people can live longer without iPhones than food?

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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts)

41. +1000 ..... No one should have to work for those kinds of wages.
   
Edited on Sat Jun-04-11 12:45 PM by OnionPatch
The whole argument about whether Americans or immigrants should or would do those jobs is a moot point. Those jobs should be paying a living wage. If you ask me, the price of food is artificially low because farm workers aren't paid a decent living. And then we pay out the whazzoo for gas so Exxon can get filthy rich. None of the work or products are priced on anything else but how much a rich businessman can exploit everyone else.

When will the primitives learn - the quantity of money is less important than what it will buy?

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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts)

10. To anyone who is screaming for a New Deal but turns their nose up at this...
   
...what the **** do you think a new New Deal would employ people to DO? Sorry to burst bubbles, folks, but
manual labor was a huge part of the New Deal, and it would have to be so for any new government jobs plan
now.

The New Deal caused stuff to be BUILT and MADE. That requires LABOR, often MANUAL LABOR. If you're too good for
manual labor, you don't really want a job.

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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts)

59. I often find myself thinking that DU members

are among the most poorly-conditioned, unhealthy, delicate, bone-idle and work-shy group of folks anywhere.


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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts)

65. I think any new New Deal would flop
   
people nowadays just don't want to work at anything that might raise a sweat or evoke any thought or memory
of working in fields.

I guess people expect the government to hire thousands to write poetry, strum guitars, bake brownies, or anything other than
the sort of labor required to improve infrastructure in this country.

Dreamer Tatum and Codeine must donate A LOT of money to avoid a tombstone, being as such that occasionally, some of their posts are reality based!
Title: Re: To address unemployment, Georgia governor proposes farm work
Post by: BEG on June 05, 2011, 11:45:45 PM
WOW, a broken clock and all that.
Title: Re: To address unemployment, Georgia governor proposes farm work
Post by: GOBUCKS on June 05, 2011, 11:56:51 PM
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts)

65. I think any new New Deal would flop
Contrary to the perception sold by the leftist media, the old New Deal did flop.
The rock bottom of the Great Depression was in 1938, after six years of the New Deal. 
Title: Re: To address unemployment, Georgia governor proposes farm work
Post by: FreeBorn on June 06, 2011, 12:20:16 AM
Contrary to the perception sold by the leftist media, the old New Deal did flop.
The rock bottom of the Great Depression was in 1938, after six years of the New Deal. 
Them's fightin' words over at the DUmp but facts is facts.

Title: Re: To address unemployment, Georgia governor proposes farm work
Post by: whiffleball on June 06, 2011, 04:51:24 AM
Codeine has that one right!

Where the hell do the DUmmies think the goods they want given to them come from?  The food, the Buicks, the Cheetos etc. all have to come from someplace that it might not be pleasant to work, might not pay 100k, might not have an executive bathroom, might not have a 45 minute break every hour, might cause someone to break a sweat on their brow.

I pray for every single DUmmy to be whisked away to paradisaical NK or China for their dreams of perfect harmony to be realized.
Title: Re: To address unemployment, Georgia governor proposes farm work
Post by: Tucker on June 06, 2011, 08:23:45 AM
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Jun-03-11 03:50 PM
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15. Once true market wages have to be paid for agricultural work
   
We'll see inventive people develop machines to do that work. That's what's happened in the industrial sector with back-breaking jobs.

The thing with Robotic utilization over manpower is that robots don't go on strike,  make unrealistic demands, aren't lazy, show up for work every day as they're always there, don't intentionally break equipment to get a day off and are not insubordinate.

Available manpower will dictate wages. If manpower dries up, wages will rise.
Title: Re: To address unemployment, Georgia governor proposes farm work
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on June 06, 2011, 08:44:31 AM
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Jun-03-11 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #8
15. Once true market wages have to be paid for agricultural work
   
We'll see inventive people develop machines to do that work. That's what's happened in the industrial sector with back-breaking jobs.
The thing with Robotic utilization over manpower is that robots don't go on strike,  make unrealistic demands, aren't lazy, show up for work every day as they're always there, don't intentionally break equipment to get a day off and are not insubordinate.

Available manpower will dictate wages. If manpower dries up, wages will rise.

This DUmmie either knows nothing about robotics, or nothing about ag work, or both.  From movement over terrain of uneven surface and varying softness, within the restrictions of plant rows and random locations of spots to service on each plant with high discrimination of color, texture, and force in picking or tending, there really isn't a much more difficult industry to automate.  For crops which are annuals which all ripen on one day with no re-pick, that will be destroyed in the harvesting process, like wheat, it's relatively easy, but for perennial bearing plants like grapes, berries, or fruit trees you could pay Mexicans for a hundred years with the money it would take to buy and maintain a robot that would perform 80% as well.
Title: Re: To address unemployment, Georgia governor proposes farm work
Post by: Tucker on June 06, 2011, 09:28:11 AM


This DUmmie either knows nothing about robotics, or nothing about ag work, or both.  From movement over terrain of uneven surface and varying softness, within the restrictions of plant rows and random locations of spots to service on each plant with high discrimination of color, texture, and force in picking or tending, there really isn't a much more difficult industry to automate.  For crops which are annuals which all ripen on one day with no re-pick, that will be destroyed in the harvesting process, like wheat, it's relatively easy, but for perennial bearing plants like grapes, berries, or fruit trees you could pay Mexicans for a hundred years with the money it would take to buy and maintain a robot that would perform 80% as well.

Yeah.

The robotics reference was addressing this part of customerserviceguy's reply:

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That's what's happened in the industrial sector with back-breaking jobs


I could have been clearer.
Title: Re: To address unemployment, Georgia governor proposes farm work
Post by: Wineslob on June 06, 2011, 09:59:11 AM
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts)

59. I often find myself thinking that DU members

are among the most poorly-conditioned, unhealthy, delicate, bone-idle and work-shy group of folks anywhere.




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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts)

65. I think any new New Deal would flop
   
people nowadays just don't want to work at anything that might raise a sweat or evoke any thought or memory
of working in fields.

I guess people expect the government to hire thousands to write poetry, strum guitars, bake brownies, or anything other than
the sort of labor required to improve infrastructure in this country.



Methink you both have nailed "it" on the head.


Just so you lurking DUmbasses know, I worked these sorts of jobs for 4+ years. I've helped haul 4" sprinkler pipeline out into tomato fields in 100+ degree weather, fumigated rice inside wherehouses in the same kind of heat except that you are up near the roof so it hits 110+, all the while hauling 20 foot by 100 foot plastic tarps to cover the pile* after we "shot"* it.


I DID NOT complain about the job that was paying me at the time $3.50 hr. I wanted the money, and I did what I had to do to live.

* the piles were anywhere fron 10 thousand tons to 200 thousand tons of unhulled rice. Stored in concrete tilt-up wherehouses from floor to cieling.

* term referring to having tossed Phostoxin (the chemical we used for the most part/sometimes we used Methyl Bromide) into the rice.



Title: Re: To address unemployment, Georgia governor proposes farm work
Post by: USA4ME on June 06, 2011, 10:08:37 AM
In the OT, God commanded the Jewish farmers not to harvest the edges of their fields so the poor could have access to food.  But, the poor had to actually go out and make the effort to retrieve the goods, they couldn't just sit around and wait for the gov't to pick it and bring it to them.  But a check delivered to the mailbox is the welfare system we have today which has helped create a "the world owes me a living" attitude among way too many.

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Title: Re: To address unemployment, Georgia governor proposes farm work
Post by: Evil_Conservative on June 06, 2011, 11:18:10 AM
I would do it without whining.

My extended family in South Dakota have farms.  There is a man who comes out all the way from NEW YORK every single year to help out my second cousin and her family.  They let him stay in their guest room and provide his meals for him.  This guy is getting a free room for about three months and free food, on top of his paycheck. 

I helped out my family when we went out to visit every Easter, without pay.  Suck it up, DUmmies.
Title: Re: To address unemployment, Georgia governor proposes farm work
Post by: JohnnyReb on June 06, 2011, 11:46:21 AM
Those that used to do that work now have government housing, foodstamps, welfare/SSD checks, medicaid, WIC's, free school lunches and a bunch of private charities to sucker...why work.
That's also why the Mexicans are up here doing it...and getting in on some of the freebies...and that's why Democrats don't want to do anything about the border and illegal immigration. They want to grow their voter base, not shrink it.

There aren't enough queers, blacks, poor white trash, communist and socialist to assure them a majority in government. That's also why the fight voter ID so hard. They are the ones that try to steal elections.