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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dandi on June 04, 2011, 04:49:42 PM
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Poor DUmmies.
alp227 (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-03-11 09:26 PM
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Appeals court allows prayer at Texas high school's graduation
Source: CNN
(CNN) -- Honorary speakers at a Texas high school's commencement ceremonies will be allowed to invoke prayer at their graduation Saturday after a federal appeals court overturned a judge's ruling that would have banned it.
The ban, imposed Wednesday by U.S. District Court Judge Fred Biery, caught the attention of Gov. Rick Perry and state Attorney General Greg Abbott, who supported an emergency appeal filed by the Medina Valley Independent School District on Thursday.
"It should not be illegal for students to say a prayer at a graduation ceremony. Now, the federal court of appeals agrees," Abbott said in a statement Friday following the reversal.
The original lawsuit was filed last week by an agnostic family whose son attends Medina Valley High School in Castroville, about 30 miles west of San Antonio. The Schultz family said their son would suffer "irreparable harm" if anyone prayed at the graduation ceremony.
Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/06/03/texas.school.prayer/in...
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Clean-up on aisle six:
SoapBox (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-03-11 10:01 PM
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2. Cramming A religion down the throats of Americans...
Oh ya...you best get in a "believe'n mood"!
If the RushThugs and T.HATERbaggers have their way, you's gonna be pray'n to THEIR version of religion.
Or...it's off to Gitmo for you!
Nobody's "cramming" anything, numbnutz. You don't like it? Ignore it. It's the spoken word. It's not the law establishing a religion or anyone forcing a profession of faith from you in order for you to enjoy your rights. All of you need to stop being so hysterical.
bloomington-lib (334 posts) Fri Jun-03-11 10:22 PM
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3. The Schultz family said their son would suffer "irreparable harm" if anyone prayed at the graduation
I don't think any one religion should be promoted over others by public means but the parents are a little over the top.
No Elephants (1000+ posts) Sat Jun-04-11 02:06 AM
Response to Reply #3
8. You must plead irreparable harm in order to get an injunction and I have
no problem saying that forever losing his Constitutional right to a religion free graduation is irreparable harm.
OMG, his little ears! Will they ever recover?
provis99 (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-03-11 10:54 PM
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6. so, when can a Satanist pray to Satan at graduation?
Oh, never? Because it's not Christian? Got it.
Fine, dumbshit. Find a graduation where around 75-80-90% of the graduates claim affiliation with Satanism and I'm sure it will work. Same goes for any religion.
riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Sat Jun-04-11 04:24 PM
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15. But the event is being held on a tax payer sponsored site, at tax payer expense,
with a program that's been printed at tax payer cost, at an event that's being sponsored by a public school.
I'm sorry but it IS the job of government to ensure that the public square isn't used to promulgate religion period. That's a fundamental point of the separation of church and state. They are de facto "supporting" religion by allowing this prayer to be held at the high school graduation, a public event at a government site even if the actual prayer is being performed by non-governmental actors.
COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Sat Jun-04-11 12:23 PM
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10. The Xian fundamentalists and their Rethug allies are determined
to chip away at the separation of church and state bit by bit. Every year there's a case brought against some school in East Cockroach AL (or TX or OK) by some 'aggrieved' students who just can't understand why Christian prayers at a public school graduation ceremony 'might be found to be offensive by some'. The goal is to amass enough Appeals Court precedent in favor of allowing it so as to get it to the Supreme Court, where the fundies believe (with some reason) that the USSCt may make a final ruling in their favor. It's a war of attrition, and the fundies are good at it.
You know, I think I've got the answer to all this BS. If the graduation is being held, for instance, on the HS's football field, the students get together and rent a postage-stamp-sized lot directly bordering the property for one night, just big enough to hold them all. Then, right before the ceremony starts, they rise from their chairs, step over to the private lot (preferrably only a few feet away), say their prayer, and step back over to their seats when they're done. Guaranteed, Leftist heads would still explode and they'd try to find some other way to squelch it. It's never been so much about the "separation of church and state". That's just a smokescreen. It's all about their hatred of God and Christians.
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Nobody's "cramming" anything, numbnutz. You don't like it? Ignore it. It's the spoken word. It's not the law establishing a religion or anyone forcing a profession of faith from you in order for you to enjoy your rights. All of you need to stop being so hysterical.
Actually, somebody is cramming something...the left is cramming their revisionist, secular beliefs down the throats of the majority of the country through court cases and by brainwashing school kids.
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Actually, somebody is cramming something...the left is cramming their revisionist, secular beliefs down the throats of the majority of the country through court cases and by brainwashing school kids.
Uh huh.
That's one of the 1,078,942 reasons I love you so much, madam; we're agreeable.
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And again, the DUmmies are showing fear and hatred for Christianity.
Its like a cross to a vampire..
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Let me read through this for just a minute.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I see "Congress shall make no law".
I don't see seperation.
I don't see courts mentioned anywhere.
Another part says, "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".
Seems that is exactly what some liberal judge, has tried to do.
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In many civilized locales, even today, a minister will offer a brief prayer over the PA system before kickoff at high school football games.
Many civilized high schools still have a baccalaureate service at a local church for members of the graduating class and their families. No one is required to attend, just like no one is required to attend commencement ceremonies, but nearly all civilized people do.
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Solution: seperate graduation ceremonies...1 Christian...1 Mooselimb ...1 Jewish ...and one for all the DUmb****s...over bye the wall that seperates state and church...loud fireworks at 8PM.
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What part of the constitution guarantees a religion free graduation? DUmmies, you have a freedom of, not a freedom from, religion.
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Actually, somebody is cramming something...the left is cramming their revisionist, secular beliefs down the throats of the majority of the country through court cases and by brainwashing school kids.
Hi 5
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In many civilized locales, even today, a minister will offer a brief prayer over the PA system before kickoff at high school football games.
Many civilized high schools still have a baccalaureate service at a local church for members of the graduating class and their families. No one is required to attend, just like no one is required to attend commencement ceremonies, but nearly all civilized people do.
I still remember attending my baccalaureate services at a catholic church. I'm a Lutheran. I was traumatized, I tell you. :whatever:
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I still remember attending my baccalaureate services at a catholic church. I'm a Lutheran. I was traumatized, I tell you. :whatever:
You're lucky. It could have been a rattlesnake handling, fly by night, gas station, undocumented, 'Baptist' church.
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Dear DU,
Neener, neener, neener.
Amen.
:tongue:
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SoapBox (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-03-11 10:01 PM
Response to Original message
2. Cramming A religion down the throats of Americans...
Oh ya...you best get in a "believe'n mood"!
If the RushThugs and T.HATERbaggers have their way, you's gonna be pray'n to THEIR version of religion.
Or...it's off to Gitmo for you!
:overreaction: :ohnoes:
:urmeds:
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SoapBox (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-03-11 10:01 PM
Response to Original message
2. Cramming A religion down the throats of Americans...
Oh ya...you best get in a "believe'n mood"!
If the RushThugs and T.HATERbaggers have their way, you's gonna be pray'n to THEIR version of religion.
Or...it's off to Gitmo for you!
There the DUmmies go again, describing an ideal world.
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The Constitution guarantees the freedom of religion. It does not guarantee freedom from religion.
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Poor DUmmies.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4872370
Nobody's "cramming" anything, numbnutz. You don't like it? Ignore it. It's the spoken word. It's not the law establishing a religion or anyone forcing a profession of faith from you in order for you to enjoy your rights. All of you need to stop being so hysterical.
Prayer is not my thing, but I certainly don't mind other people's expressions of faith- unless it involves an explosive belt. If the DUmmies don't believe in it, then prayer is meaningless; just superstitious rattle-shaking.
(http://www.pollsb.com/photos/o/27249-witch_doctor.jpg)
I wonder if the DUmmies would complain about a Potawatomi drum ceremony at a public event? That is every bit as religious as a Christian prayer.
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZAV7cWlN9d4/0.jpg)
The drummers have taken part in many Veterans' Day observances here, including ceremonies with the Governor, Secretary of State, and State Adjutant General.
I bet the DUmmies wouldn't complain about a Pagan ritual at the kid's graduation!
(http://vigilantcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/ysee_ritual1.jpg)
"...or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"
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Dear DU,
Neener, neener, neener.
Amen.
:tongue:
+1
^5
:rotf:
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You mean I should have sued for every night one of the Chaplains got on the 1mc on the ship for the nightly prayer?
Should we have made all but the muslim chaplains walk the plank?
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Solution: seperate graduation ceremonies...1 Christian...1 Mooselimb ...1 Jewish ...and one for all the DUmb****s...over bye the wall that seperates state and church...loud fireworks at 8PM.
By DUmmy standards, that wall of separation is about 50 feet high and 20 feet wide on the Christian side. On Uncle Sam's side, it's about knee high and 6" wide to allow Sam plenty of latitude in shutting up those irritating Christians. He'll tax them if they say the wrong thing on the private property of their church. He'll threaten legal action if anyone takes offense to their speech on public property (just as though Christians aren't part of the public.) He'll put their adoption services out of business if they stick to Christian precepts. He'll shut down their rehab services to addicts and felons. He'll order them not to provide food and services for the homeless. And when he's all done for the moment, the DUmmies will walk around saying, "See, we told you those fundies didn't care about ______________!!!1!1"
:banghead:
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Uh huh.
That's one of the 1,078,942 reasons I love you so much, madam; we're agreeable.
Thank God our country has good men like you, frank! :blowkiss: :-)