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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: Rebel on June 03, 2011, 08:07:18 AM
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A federal judge has ordered a Texas school district to prohibit public prayer at a high school graduation ceremony.
Chief U.S. District Judge Fred Biery’s order against the Medina Valley Independent School District also forbids students from using specific religious words including “prayer†and “amen.â€
The ruling was in response to a lawsuit filed by Christa and Danny Schultz. Their son is among those scheduled to participate in Saturday’s graduation ceremony. The judge declared that the Schultz family and their son would “suffer irreparable harm†if anyone prayed at the ceremony.
Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott said the school district is in the process of appealing the ruling, and his office has agreed to file a brief in their support.
“Part of this goes to the very heart of the unraveling of moral values in this country,†Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott told Fox News Radio, saying the judge wanted to turn school administrators into “speech police.â€
“I’ve never seen such a restriction on speech issued by a court or the government,†Abbott told Fox News Radio. “It seems like a trampling of the First Amendment rather than protecting the First Amendment.â€
---MORE--- (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/02/prayer-prohibited-at-graduation-ceremony/#ixzz1ODZbB66d)
A federal judge violating the US Constitution. Great.
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But it hurts feelings, Reb. It hurts feelings.
:whatever:
Seriously, isn't this a direct violation of the "prohibiting the free exercise thereof" part of the First Amendment?
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Seems this guy went to Texas LUTHERAN and Southern METHODIST.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Frederick_Biery_Jr.
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The judge can't prevent the locals from refusing to serve the offending family goods or services. Truth be told, can't prevent the locals from refusing to sell goods and services to the judge and his family. Ostracizing works wonders. Quickly.
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The judge can't prevent the locals from refusing to serve the offending family goods or services. Truth be told, can't prevent the locals from refusing to sell goods and services to the judge and his family. Ostracizing works wonders. Quickly.
Constitutionally, he can't prohibit anyone from praying at a school function. The ONLY thing he can prohibit is a government mandate that prayer take place. Other than that, he's in violation of the Constitution.
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Seems this guy went to Texas LUTHERAN and Southern METHODIST.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Frederick_Biery_Jr.
Yet another liberal Clintoon appointee.
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The valedictorian is Catholic, and she wants to join the appeal process.
If my daughter were valedictorian, and if she wanted to say those words, I'd support her 100 percent. I hope she finds the strength to say what she wants to say, and I'd be proud to bail her out if she's arrested for breaking that rule.
Rulings like this piss me off.
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Constitutionally, he can't prohibit anyone from praying at a school function. The ONLY thing he can prohibit is a government mandate that prayer take place. Other than that, he's in violation of the Constitution.
That's true. It still doesn't take away the fun potential of shunning them!
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I have the perfect solution to all this. The audience of families and friends need to organize themselves apart from the school and students and initiate the prayer just before the graduation ceremony begins. What's the judge going to do? Have the entire audience arrested and/or fined?
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I have the perfect solution to all this. The audience of families and friends need to organize themselves apart from the school and students and initiate the prayer just before the graduation ceremony begins. What's the judge going to do? Have the entire audience arrested and/or fined?
I've got a better one: Hand the little brat his diploma now and tell him that his (or his shithead parents) presence is not required at graduation. That way, they won't be "offended" and have to suffer "irreparable harm".
Or, they could just give them the Louisiana treatment.
:-)
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I've got a better one: Hand the little brat his diploma now and tell him that his (or his shithead parents) presence is not required at graduation. That way, they won't be "offended" and have to suffer "irreparable harm".
Or, they could just give them the Louisiana treatment.
:-)
Perhaps he shouldn't be getting a diploma if he's that clueless about the first amendment?
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Valedictorian joins in prayer fight
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Valedictorian-joins-in-prayer-fight-1407086.php
The Schultz family is 5th and 7th photo. I can imagine they are getting shunned right now. Perhaps they will get the Lori Drew treatment. :-) :lmao:
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This article didnt quite explain the ruling properly, and looks like its deliberately misleading...
Here's what the judge actually said in his ruling:
“These students, and all other persons scheduled to speak during the graduation ceremony, shall be instructed not to present a prayer, to wit, they shall be instructed that they may not ask audience members to “stand,†“join in prayer,†or “bow their heads,†they may not end their remarks with “amen†or “in [a deity’s name] we pray,†and they shall not otherwise deliver a message that would commonly be understood to be a prayer, nor use the word “prayer†unless it is used in the student’s expression of the student’s personal belief, as opposed to encouraging others who may not believe in the concept of prayer to join in and believe the same concept.â€
“The students may in stating their own personal beliefs speak through conduct such as kneeling to face Mecca, the wearing of a yarmulke or hijab or making the sign of the cross.â€
http://www.examiner.com/headlines-in-san-antonio/controversy-over-prayer-at-texas-school-graduation-grows-medina-valley#ixzz1ODR9BgcH
So it appears like the students, even ones giving speeches, can say anything they want about their beliefs, just as long as they aren't attempting to lead others in prayers, and the like.... which seems reasonable, and of course, not at all what the fox article was clearly trying to lead you to believe.
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This article didnt quite explain the ruling properly, and looks like its deliberately misleading...
Here's what the judge actually said in his ruling:
So it appears like the students, even ones giving speeches, can say anything they want about their beliefs, just as long as they aren't attempting to lead others in prayers, and the like.... which seems reasonable, and of course, not at all what the fox article was clearly trying to lead you to believe.
Why again is restricting the free speech of students reasonable? I can ask you to do anything. It doesn't require that you comply.
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Why again is restricting the free speech of students reasonable? I can ask you to do anything. It doesn't require that you comply.
If you're officiating a ceremony for a public institution, you simply aren't speaking for yourself. The judge clearly said the speakers can say whatever they wish about their beliefs, as long as they arent doing so in a manner that makes it appear as if they are speaking for the institution or its members. Again, seems fair.
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I was wondering how these people had time for this kind of nonsense until I looked at the pictures of the family in question.
Who would like to lay bets the whole family lives off her disability or there was a huge law suit somewhere down the road.
People with jobs don't have time for stunts like this.
KC
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This article didnt quite explain the ruling properly, and looks like its deliberately misleading...
Here's what the judge actually said in his ruling:
So it appears like the students, even ones giving speeches, can say anything they want about their beliefs, just as long as they aren't attempting to lead others in prayers, and the like.... which seems reasonable, and of course, not at all what the fox article was clearly trying to lead you to believe.
You need to reread that.
and they shall not otherwise deliver a message that would commonly be understood to be a prayer, nor use the word “prayer†unless it is used in the student’s expression of the student’s personal belief, as opposed to encouraging others who may not believe in the concept of prayer to join in and believe the same concept. The students may in stating their own personal beliefs speak through conduct such as kneeling to face Mecca, the wearing of a yarmulke or hijab or making the sign of the cross.â€
It's prohibiting a student from saying ANYTHING that would connote religion such as "amen", "God", etc. Many of these speeches are personal in nature and a prideful celebration of one's achievements. This is a slap in the face to the US Constitution and the judge should be removed immediately. Why is it you libs think all gays should be able to serve openly, yet Christians should get into the closet? Would you do the same shit in Dearborn to a bunch of Muslims? Do you think MLK was in violation of the Constitution for leading prayers on government property in D.C.? He was no more a representative of government than these students. I hope this little weirdo **** is ostracized for the rest of his life.
http://texaslegislativeupdate.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/mvisd-first-tro.pdf
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You need to reread that.
It's prohibiting a student from saying ANYTHING that would connote religion such as "amen", "God", etc.....
I read it carefully... the relevant part is this: "...unless it is used in the student’s expression of the student’s personal belief, as opposed to encouraging others who may not believe in the concept...".
Meaning the students may say all those things, permitting they are in an appropriate context, and that context being they are speaking for themselves, not the institution or the people in the audience.
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I read it carefully... the relevant part is this: "...unless it is used in the student’s expression of the student’s personal belief, as opposed to encouraging others who may not believe in the concept...".
Meaning the students may say all those things, permitting they are in an appropriate context, and that context being they are speaking for themselves, not the institution or the people in the audience.
Still now seeing how this is violating this troublemaker's rights. ...because it's not. He's not affected by it at all. Someone saying a prayer does not a damn thing to the fool. If he's afraid being made to feel uncomfortable from a prayer, ask him how he feels today due to his parents acting like a couple of little bitches.
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Immaterial now as a federal court of appeals just smacked his dumbass decision down.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/03/texas-senator-blasts-judges-decision-to-forbid-public-prayer-at-high-school/
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Ah, wilbur's surfaced again.
Sorta like a blister that shows up when the work is done. :whatever:
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I find it quite interesting that the typical Muslim prayer is just fine, but the typical Christian prayer is a problem.
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Ghostwriting for the valedictorian,
"Ladies and gentlemen, distinguished visitors, fellow classmates, and most especially, My Almighty Lord in Heaven,
"Thank you for this opportunity to speak today. It has been a long road, and a tough road, but I knew that those with whom I worship in church on Sunday, when I kneel and pray to my Lord Jesus Christ would understand completely when I say that only through His strength and power and love and compassion was I able to meet the many challenges that were placed in front of me. My classmates can relate as well, but as I'm not allowed to say that I prayed with some of you during those all-nighters that we pulled, well, we're just going to have to leave that to posterity.
"Our keynote speaker will no doubt say that our long journey is just beginning and no doubt he is correct. We have the most productive years of our lives in front of us and there is no question that we, as a class, will best exemplify the courage and dedication to our families and each other that was represented most clearly when I learned in last week's Sunday School that Jesus instructed us to love each other as we do ourselves.
"I am proud to stand in front of you today, not as a valedictorian, but as one of us who met the challenges, fought the fight, and paid the tuition. I am grateful for your support and friendship and I am appreciative of the guidance and counsel given me not just by my academic counselor but also through the will of my Lord Jesus Christ.
"I'm not allowed to preach about my Lord and my Creator and I shall not, in accordance with the dipshit judge who wants to stifle my speech. But I will tell you that only through His guidance and will was I able to persevere. Many, many times I wanted to go out and smoke some hash with some of you (you know who you are), do a little blow, and slam a few Toxic Nuclear Waste Dumps, that fab new drink that I love so much, but God pulled me back and parked my ass in that chair and instructed me to study.
"And I did so. Multiple times, to the point that when I looked up again from my books, three weeks had passed, I needed to pee really badly, and my breath was bad because I hadn't brushed my teeth in that long, but I had memorized the textbook, all referenced materials within, and my lecture notes. There was no way I was going to flunk that exam.
"I wouldn't be here if it weren't for God and His will for me.
"And that's the truth.
"Ladies and gentlemen, distinguished visitors, and fellow classmates, thank you for being the shining beacon in my life thus far. But make no mistake - you guys can't compare to that ray of a million concentrated suns, which is the power and direction of my Lord Jesus Christ."
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hmmmmmmmm. I wouldn't have a problem with a religious official(pastor, reverend, rabbi, priest, etc)leading an audience at a graduation ceremony with a general benediction. However, a student saying that her religous beliefs played a big part in her educational achievements is fine as well. If the family wants to have a prayer at her personal graduation party afterwards is fine too. But a student leading prayer at the actual ceremony, yeah i might have a problem with that....That's my personal opinion....
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But a student leading prayer at the actual ceremony, yeah i might have a problem with that....That's my personal opinion....
Why? Unless the students are REQUIRED to participate, I can see how it would be unconstitutionality, but if they're not, what the hell about that offends you?
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Why is it that the courts work hard to squelch religious speech, but can force every other perversion on us and our children?
Condoms in school? Fine.
Saying "amen"? yeah. not so much.
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hmmmmmmmm. I wouldn't have a problem with a religious official(pastor, reverend, rabbi, priest, etc)leading an audience at a graduation ceremony with a general benediction. However, a student saying that her religous beliefs played a big part in her educational achievements is fine as well. If the family wants to have a prayer at her personal graduation party afterwards is fine too. But a student leading prayer at the actual ceremony, yeah i might have a problem with that....That's my personal opinion....
Courts have ruled that schools, teachers and school administrations cannot lead prayers, but there is nothing that says a private student (or any other private citizen) has no right to pray in public, ask others to join them in public prayers, or in any other way have his or her First Amendment rights destroyed in order to avoid offending 1% of the public. There is no right to avoid being offended, especially for those that choose to be offended by the Constitutionally guaranteed free speech and religious rights of others. Note, the Constitution does not say that people have a right to "worship as they choose," despite the left's attempt to revise it in that direction. It quite clearly grants us the right to free exercise of religion and free speech as opposed to the situation the Founders left where the government supported and controlled one "state" church. In fact, in today's world, the government does support, control, and force upon all it's citizens the beliefs of one "church," the secular humanist, evolutionary church, the religious belief that is crammed down the throats of all public school students.
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^^^ +1
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Why is it that the courts work hard to squelch religious speech, but can force every other perversion on us and our children?
Condoms in school? Fine.
Saying "amen"? yeah. not so much.
Why is it that some NYC public schools have rooms set aside for Muslims to pray but Prayer groups by Christians are banned on school property?
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Why is it that some NYC public schools have rooms set aside for Muslims to pray but Prayer groups by Christians are banned on school property?
Simple...Christians don't blowup over the trivial shit and start cutting off heads, hands and feet.
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UPDATE:
Federal Court of Appeals reversed this decision yesterday........
The prayer will be allowed.
doc
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UPDATE:
Federal Court of Appeals reversed this decision yesterday........
The prayer will be allowed.
doc
Good.
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Why? Unless the students are REQUIRED to participate, I can see how it would be unconstitutionality, but if they're not, what the hell about that offends you?
I didn't say she couldn't thank God in her speech, that's fine if she wants to thank God for her educational achievements.
I would be somewhat uncomfortable if she said " Please join me on the "Our Father" however.........
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I didn't say she couldn't thank God in her speech, that's fine if she wants to thank God for her educational achievements.
I would be somewhat uncomfortable if she said " Please join me on the "Our Father" however.........
And being "uncomfortable" is reason to have a judge order her not to say something? What if 95% of the crowd would be uncomfortable if she did NOT say it?
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"...and among these rights are life (except the unborn), liberty (as long as you agree with us), and the pursuit of, er, that which doesn't offend anyone."
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"...and among these rights are life (except the unborn), liberty (as long as you agree with us), and the pursuit of, er, that which doesn't offend anyone."
...except fundies and conservatives. :whatever:
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Let us pray...Oh Great Judge in high office with retirement and healthcare guaranteed forever, we ask your guidance in what to say and do. We ask that you allow us this day to graduate without interference and that you apply the rules with firm and vigorous vengence. So help help us oh mighty Judge, giver of all rights.
amen...I mean...aperson.
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...except fundies and conservatives. :whatever:
eh, please don't forget straight white men in general either. :p
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I bet if some cavemen/cavewomen, I mean throwbacks, wanted to wash their feet and have some prayer rugs at the ceremony, they would be fully accommodated.
Funny how liberalism runs rampant through our court systems.
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If you're officiating a ceremony for a public institution, you simply aren't speaking for yourself. The judge clearly said the speakers can say whatever they wish about their beliefs, as long as they arent doing so in a manner that makes it appear as if they are speaking for the institution or its members. Again, seems fair.
The constitution says that congress may make no law respecting an establishment of religion. A prayer at a high school reunion doesn't qualify as such unless everyone is forced to take part. If they aren't forced to take part and want to stop everyone else anyway, then I'd say what they're doing is trying to prevent the free expression of the rest of the group.
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"5 And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him."
The Lord Jesus Christ on the topic of school prayer.
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"5 And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him."
The Lord Jesus Christ on the topic of school prayer.
Some liberal, anti-Christian douchebag taking Jesus out of context yet again.
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The Lord Jesus Christ on the topic of school prayer.
Uh, no, that would be the Lord Jesus Christ on praying loudly in public to appear virtuous.
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"5 And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him."
The Lord Jesus Christ on the topic of school prayer.
Leading the group in repeating the prayer He told us to pray is somewhat different than "babbling like pagans" or praying in order to be seen by others. ::) ::) ::)
Luk 12:8 And I say unto you, Every one who shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:
Luk 12:9 but he that denieth me in the presence of men shall be denied in the presence of the angels of God.
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Uh, no, that would be the Lord Jesus Christ on praying loudly in public to appear virtuous.
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,59570.msg692274.html#msg692274
Notice how liberals constantly trash Christianity, but damnit, those fruitbats are going to defend the Muzzie religion.
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http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,59570.msg692274.html#msg692274
Notice how liberals constantly trash Christianity, but damnit, those fruitbats are going to defend the Muzzie religion.
Theres a difference between defending the Muslim religion and pointing out what a moron you are. In that case they just happened to overlap.
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Isn't it past time to ban the troll?
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http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,59570.msg692274.html#msg692274
Notice how liberals constantly trash Christianity, but damnit, those fruitbats are going to defend the Muzzie religion.
Leftists are stuck on stupid.
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Isn't it past time to ban the troll?
He insulted me I insulted him back. I see no trolling that took place.
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He insulted me I insulted him back. I see no trolling that took place.
Really? Christianity is the same as Islam?
Oh, please do explain this. I'm on pins and needles waiting to hear this one.
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I see no trolling that took place.
Then you're looking for trolls in all the wrong places.
You post messages that insult not only the honesty of members of this forum, but your argumentative posts attack their integrity as well.
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Really? Christianity is the same as Islam?
Not even on the same level. Not even close. One is stuck back in the 15th century. I'll let you guess which one.
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Not even on the same level. Not even close. One is stuck back in the 15th century. I'll let you guess which one.
You got that right Trueblood... If a Christian women commits adultery, her husband will divorce her. If a muslim woman commits adultery, a whipping is the least of her problems. I just read Princess(Jeanne Bassett), ..the story of one of the princesses of the Al Saud family. Shadow Princess(Iris Sundhansen(sp)?) The grandaughter of Emperor Jahangir(India) and the movie The Stoning of Soryana(and she was innocent!!!). It's unbelievable what these women go thru...
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You got that right Trueblood... If a Christian women commits adultery, her husband will divorce her. If a muslim woman commits adultery, a whipping is the least of her problems. I just read Princess(Jeanne Bassett), ..the story of one of the princesses of the Al Saud family. Shadow Princess(Iris Sundhansen(sp)?) The grandaughter of Emperor Jahangir(India) and the movie The Stoning of Soryana(and she was innocent!!!). It's unbelievable what these women go thru...
Yes it is. They treat their dogs better than their women.
(And to think that sharia law was on one of the ballot questions here in America during the November elections? Was that for real? I thought I read it or heard about it somewhere, can't remember where. I can't even fathom that would even be thought of being on a ballot here in America. We have AMERICAN laws, **** those throwback laws.)
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Yes it is. They treat their dogs better than their women.
(And to think that sharia law was on one of the ballot questions here in America during the November elections? Was that for real? I thought I read it or heard about it somewhere, can't remember where. I can't even fathom that would even be thought of being on a ballot here in America. We have AMERICAN laws, **** those throwback laws.)
Yes, it was voted on in Oklahoma, and passed by 70% of the voters. It was promptly banned by a Federal judge as a hate crime or support of Christianity or some such hogwash, thanks to a lawsuit by an out-of-state Muslim with CAIR backing. I can't find any info about what's going on with it now.
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Yes, it was voted on in Oklahoma, and passed by 70% of the voters. It was promptly banned by a Federal judge as a hate crime or support of Christianity or some such hogwash, thanks to a lawsuit by an out-of-state Muslim with CAIR backing. I can't find any info about what's going on with it now.
Thanks for the info.
WOW, it passed?!? WTF were these people thinking? If some of these idiots actually knew what they were voting for and what is actually going on in the world, they would be frightened. I'd say at least half of the population in America has no clue. Scary stuff.
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Thanks for the info.
WOW, it passed?!? WTF were these people thinking? If some of these idiots actually knew what they were voting for and what is actually going on in the world, they would be frightened. I'd say at least half of the population in America has no clue. Scary stuff.
The law in OK was to make illegal any consideration of foreign law by judges when considering cases, especially sharia. It was anti-sharia.
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I merely wonder what folk are so scared of. Do they think that somebody murmering a few words is suddenly going to force them to become Christians?
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I merely wonder what folk are so scared of. Do they think that somebody murmering a few words is suddenly going to force them to become Christians?
Oh, no, it's much worse than that. Seeing the Ten Commandments, a cross, a nativity, or even a Christmas tree can suddenly propel some atheists and their children directly into Christianity. Setting foot in a Christian church or having a Bible touch them is even more dangerous. It's like a lethal virus...one minute the atheist and children are all happily certain that God could never exist, the next they are rolling on the floor, speaking in tongues. It's almost like the effect that crosses had on vampires in the old movies...or maybe the effect that the sun had on them...
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The problem is , so many atheists are hypocrits. One example i can't remeber the exact wording, but in another forum, this woman proclaimed she was an atheist, but yet they still celebrated the "holi"days" for a person she took care of, who has a disability and for her son, growing up. When I went on to explain the symbolism of gift giving, she tried to wriggle out of that too...
Either you believe in God or you don't
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I think the root of the problem here is that this is a Public School paid for with tax dollars.
By sending their kids to public school, they have accepted socialism, and are sliding down that slippery slope of government control.
If these people weren't such leaches, they would send their kids to a good Private School like all intelligent bipeds do.
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I think the root of the problem here is that this is a Public School paid for with tax dollars.
By sending their kids to public school, they have accepted socialism, and are sliding down that slippery slope of government control.
If these people weren't such leaches, they would send their kids to a good Private School like all intelligent bipeds do.
It is generally considered good forum manners to introduce one's self in the welcome forum.
You do know that not everyone can afford a good private school right?
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I think the root of the problem here is that this is a Public School paid for with tax dollars.
By sending their kids to public school, they have accepted socialism, and are sliding down that slippery slope of government control.
If these people weren't such leaches, they would send their kids to a good Private School like all intelligent bipeds do.
How are they "leaches"? It's THEIR money too, jackass.
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It is generally considered good forum manners to introduce one's self in the welcome forum.
I'll get around to that soon.
You do know that not everyone can afford a good private school right?
How does not being able to afford something justify stealing money from other people to pay for it?
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How are they "leaches"? It's THEIR money too, jackass.
A small percentage of it, maybe..
The vast majority of tax dollars comes from a small minority of overtaxed wealthy folks.
You should be aware of this by now.
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Public School funds are attached to property taxes in PA, which I pay too much of.
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How does not being able to afford something justify stealing money from other people to pay for it?
Where the hell are you getting "stealing" from? What theft is taking place, by whom?
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Public School funds are attached to property taxes in PA, which I pay too much of.
Which is why I vote NO on every school levy that hits the ballot.
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Where the hell are you getting "stealing" from? What theft is taking place, by whom?
The government is stealing money in the form of taxes to pay for the public (socialist) school system.
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Public School funds are attached to property taxes in PA, which I pay too much of.
Just because you feel like you're paying "too much", doesn't mean that you're paying your fair share.
Since the wealth gap is even larger than the income gap, the majority of property taxes are paid by the upper class as well.
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Just because you feel like you're paying "too much", doesn't mean that you're paying your fair share.
Since the wealth gap is even larger than the income gap, the majority of property taxes are paid by the upper class as well.
Um, my taxes go to my district. Not many whale-on-the-pants blue bloods in this district, bud.
I agree with you to a point that public schools suck and don't do the job we pay for. Hence, my kids go to Catholic School. So I'm paying twice.
Other than that, wtf is your point? Only Rich people should get a say in public schools?
I have no idea what your point is, here.
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My point is that public schools are socialism, and should be gotten rid of.
These people sent their kids to a socialist school, what did they expect to happen?
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My point is that public schools are socialism, and should be gotten rid of.
These people sent their kids to a socialist school, what did they expect to happen?
Obvious troll is obvious.
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My point is that public schools are socialism, and should be gotten rid of.
These people sent their kids to a socialist school, what did they expect to happen?
Until the NEA, there was no problem with public schools. The problem arose when the public schools became an arm of the government instead of remaining the property of the local community.
Everyone that lives in a community benefits from the local school, though less now than when we had full ownership...and less than we benefit from private schools. Still, the fact remains that, without them, a large percentage of children would learn nothing...making it impossible for them to become productive citizens someday, making far more of them a continual drag on the resources of those that are educated and those that work hard.
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I think the root of the problem here is that this is a Public School paid for with tax dollars.
By sending their kids to public school, they have accepted socialism, and are sliding down that slippery slope of government control.
If these people weren't such leaches, they would send their kids to a good Private School like all intelligent bipeds do.
You should take some lessons on how to be a better internet dickhead, kid, you are way too obvious.
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Until the NEA, there was no problem with public schools. The problem arose when the public schools became an arm of the government instead of remaining the property of the local community.
Everyone that lives in a community benefits from the local school, though less now than when we had full ownership...and less than we benefit from private schools. Still, the fact remains that, without them, a large percentage of children would learn nothing...making it impossible for them to become productive citizens someday, making far more of them a continual drag on the resources of those that are educated and those that work hard.
Why do we even need a government-based educational system at all?
Some of the greatest Americans were self-educated, and they didn't even have the internet.
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You should take some lessons on how to be a better internet dickhead, kid, you are way too obvious.
I've been a dickhead for nearly as long as there has been an Internet, and long before the Web came along.
I've never tried to hide it before. Now, I just to it with Hypertext (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertext).
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Why do we even need a government-based educational system at all?
Some of the greatest Americans were self-educated, and they didn't even have the internet.
We don't. The best school system was the locally owned system, when the community supported and ran it's own school. It's the government control that made the schools the disasters they are. However, given the current laws on the books, if there were no public schools, many kids wouldn't even get the poor education provided. The best scenario would be to get the Feds out of the schools altogether and return control 100% to the communities. It won't stop the necessity of supporting them through local taxation, just as we all support our police, fire departments, ambulance services, etc. Educated citizens are a necessity to the foundation and continuance of a community, just as married couples and churches are...three of the few things currently still correctly recognized in our tax code.
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We don't. The best school system was the locally owned system, when the community supported and ran it's own school. It's the government control that made the schools the disasters they are. However, given the current laws on the books, if there were no public schools, many kids wouldn't even get the poor education provided. The best scenario would be to get the Feds out of the schools altogether and return control 100% to the communities. It won't stop the necessity of supporting them through local taxation, just as we all support our police, fire departments, ambulance services, etc. Educated citizens are a necessity to the foundation and continuance of a community, just as married couples and churches are...three of the few things currently still correctly recognized in our tax code.
Tax supported police, fire departments and ambulance services are all socialism as far as I'm concerned, and don't even get me started on government subsidized marriage and religion.
I have the resources to protect myself. Most of the shitstains in my local "community" can't, so they tax me to pay people to protect themselves from each other.
Personally, I'd prefer they just go ahead and wipe themselves out.
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Wow. You're awesome. :whatever:
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I guess he'd better hope he never gets T-boned by a freight train at 2 a.m.
If he can't get to his cell phone because both arms have been severed in the ensuing crash, his "resources" ain't all that dependable...
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Tax supported police, fire departments and ambulance services are all socialism as far as I'm concerned, and don't even get me started on government subsidized marriage and religion.
I have the resources to protect myself. Most of the shitstains in my local "community" can't, so they tax me to pay people to protect themselves from each other.
Personally, I'd prefer they just go ahead and wipe themselves out.
Geez.....I'll bet you are a real hit at neighborhood barbecues. Wonder if all the nice folks in Smyrna, Tennesee know how you feel about them??
Knowing a bit about that community, I'd hazard a guess that more than a few of them can take care of themselves,,,,,,,,,,and take care of you as well.
Let's get back on topic please........
doc
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The judge declared that the Schultz family and their son would “suffer irreparable harm†if anyone prayed at the ceremony.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/02/prayer-prohibited-at-graduation-ceremony/#ixzz1PCIPwo5n
I'd like to ask that idiot judge exactly what irreparable harm that would be. I'd also like to point out to the asshat judge that the 1st amendment in part protects the freedom "OF" religion. Not the freedom "FROM" religion.
I'm willing to bet that if the valedictorian in question was a muslim and wanted to pray to allah that nothing would have been done at all by the court.