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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: Toastedturningtidelegs on June 03, 2011, 08:00:36 AM
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Dr. Jack Kevorkian — embraced as a compassionate crusader and reviled as a murderous crank — died early this morning.
Known as Dr. Death even before launching his fierce advocacy and practice of assisted suicides, Kevorkian, 83, died at Beaumont Hospital in Royal Oak, where he had been hospitalized with kidney and heart problems.
http://www.freep.com/article/20110603/NEWS01/110603016/Assisted-suicide-advocate-Jack-Kevorkian-dies?odyssey=nav%7Chead End of a very strange,morbid life...
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He has a lot to answer for.
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He has a lot to answer for.
Oh yes, he does. :fuelfire:
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If Kevorkian wasn't bad enough, his attorney, Geoffrey Fieger, was/is a complete outrage.
The list is extensive - Kevorkian, Jenny Jones, Nathaniel Abraham.
If you want to understand Fieger, look up "huckster," "ambulance chaser," and "all-around schmuck" in the dictionary and you'll come close.
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I hope he made his peace.
God's will be done.
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Oh yes, he does. :fuelfire:
That provides me no solace. I'm tired of this "he'll/she'll" get what's coming to them. I care about what happens on a plane I KNOW exists.
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If Kevorkian wasn't bad enough, his attorney, Geoffrey Fieger, was/is a complete outrage.
The list is extensive - Kevorkian, Jenny Jones, Nathaniel Abraham.
If you want to understand Fieger, look up "huckster," "ambulance chaser," and "all-around schmuck" in the dictionary and you'll come close.
Absolutely Euph! Jeffrey Fieger is the scumbags scumbag! He ran for governor here twice...Thank God he lost :o He's known as "The Unfrozen Caveman Attorney" here because of his rather bizarre primitive man appearance! :-)
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That provides me no solace. I'm tired of this "he'll/she'll" get what's coming to them. I care about what happens on a plane I KNOW exists.
I hope you're not still upset about Hitler.
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Just like any other goon with a God complex that extols the virtues of self murder, in the end, themselves did not practice what they preached.
Burn in Hell, Kevorkian. May you suffer eternally for preying upon the sick and the weak.
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What Kevorkian did was worse than what Hitler did. Hitler ordered the killing of 6 million Jews and probable close to that amount, the number of Gypsies. The 11/12 million dead may have died in a state of grace, denying the Devil his due.
Kevorkian did the Devils work, fooling his victims into committing a mortal sin by killing them self. He was nothing but a collector of souls.
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I hope you're not still upset about Hitler.
Not something I lose sleep over!
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I think this might be the place to post S Weasel's take on Kervorkian.
Harold Shipman probably has a higher body count, but they didn’t make an HBO special gushing about what a swell, compassionate guy he was, did they? I don’t ****ing believe they made a sympathetic Kevorkian biopic. Yeah. It won a Golden Globe last night.
Look, I’m not set against euthanasia. That’s a national conversation we’ll have to have some time. It has absolutely nothing to do with that sick **** Jack Kevorkian.
In 1956, when he was still just a resident, he picked up the “Dr Death†moniker. He asked to be notified when any patient was close to death so he could stare into their eyes while they died. Sometimes he took pictures. He said he was searching for a way to pinpoint the exact moment of death.
What is the medical need to know the exact moment of death? There isn’t one. Who knows how many friendless people he robbed of dignity in their last moments of life.
He didn’t start in the assisted suicide biz. What he really wanted was permission to vivisect death row inmates. I’ve never read exactly how he thought medicine could be advanced by killing people under general anesthesia. I get the impression he just thinks it would be kinda neat to paddle around in people’s innards until they die.
When permission wasn’t forthcoming, 1987 he advertised himself in Detroit papers as a physician consultant for “death counseling.†By 1991, he’d lost his medical license.
He named his death machines Thanitron and Mercitron. He killed 130 people between 1990 and 1998 and was acquitted of murder five times. When authorities gave up prosecuting him, he forced one more arrest — he taped himself administering a fatal shot and walked the tape over to his friend Mike Wallace, who aired it nationally on 60 Minutes. He videotaped all his killings, presumably to enjoy again and again. He spent eight years and a bit behind bars.
Equal parts ghoul and attention whore, then.
Oh – about three quarters half [70 out of 130] of his victims weren’t terminally ill, just depressed and in pain. Five of them weren’t sick at all, their autopsies showed. He hadn’t bothered to find out; medicine wasn’t part of his deal.
He ripped out the kidneys of one of his assisted suicide victims and offered them at a press conference, “first come first served.†The “surgery†was so crude that the Oakland County Medical Examiner called it out of a “slaughterhouse†and a “bizarre mutilation.â€
Say, have you seen his paintings? One of the pigments is his own blood. Isn’t that nice? And the captions show an absolute Loughnerian grasp of the English language.
So, basically, somebody who should have spent the last thirty years (at least) in a hospital for the criminally insane. A perfect hero for Hollywood. They called the film You Don’t Know Jack.
Hilarious.
Posted: January 17th, 2011
http://sweasel.com/archives/7576
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Well, Kevorkian was a pathologist, so he was associated with death in the first place. From what I remember reading about him some years ago, yeah, he was morbidly fascinated by death - which explains why he moseyed into pathology in the manner in which was reported.
This is not to paint him as a normal scientist who was interested in his profession and the people with whom he dealt.
One look in his eyes will dispel that notion most ricky-tick.
:mental:
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Well, Kevorkian was a pathologist, so he was associated with death in the first place. From what I remember reading about him some years ago, yeah, he was morbidly fascinated by death - which explains why he moseyed into pathology in the manner in which was reported.
This is not to paint him as a normal scientist who was interested in his profession and the people with whom he dealt.
One look in his eyes will dispel that notion most ricky-tick.
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Oh yes, Happy , Happy, Joy, Joy , the monster is dead.
Big deal this monster was not just one of a kind, an abnormality, in life. He had the help and surport of other like minded Doctors and Scientists around the world.
All scientists of his like mind salavated at what he could find, Russia, China and indeed American Scientists never or seldom spoke out about his experiments.
I have heard Scientist speak of how the German experiments on living humans have led to advances in transplants to benifit humans today.
Makes me want to throw up, the horrid deaths of thousands of people was for the good to keep a person alive today. So that excuses the Evil human experiments too dreadfull to even think of back then.
We are thinking that out of Evil can come good. Perhaps for the individuals that need transplants as my daughter does to live, we must close our eyes to the number of other peoples daughters who were tortured 60 years ago and now saves our own child.
One hell of a thing to think about, best ignore the Evil, make excuses and blank out of our mind the origional Evil that keeps our children alive today.
What does one do, the past is past but the evil that sprang from this is still here to somewhere and some how crop up to effect us, cause us horror and death to save the lives of people 60-100 years in the future.
Life is so complex, for me, I am just a simple person, and as is said, just a bit of knowledge is dangerious for me, best to remaine ignorent then try to understand things in life that no one can explain to me.
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What Kevorkian did was worse than what Hitler did. Hitler ordered the killing of 6 million Jews and probable close to that amount, the number of Gypsies. The 11/12 million dead may have died in a state of grace, denying the Devil his due.
Kevorkian did the Devils work, fooling his victims into committing a mortal sin by killing them self. He was nothing but a collector of souls.
<unpopular opinion> I believe that people who are suffering should have the right to take their own lives in a humane manner so long as they are mentally capable of making such a decision.</upopular opinion>
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I notice Dr Death didn't lead by example.
He was old and sick. Yet he lingered till the last.
With the good doctor, I always suspected his suicide machines were more for his perverse entertainment than any altruistic purpose.
Seriously why would a person of sound mind need medical assistance to off himself in the first place?
What Dr Death actually accomplished wasn't death with dignity, but he set into motion Obama;s death squad rules where Doctors -by law-must speak with the elderly about the benefits of suicide every five years. He made it possible for Obama care to deny expensive medical care to the elderly and handicapped.
Dr Death set the groundwork for legal (and involuntary) euthanasia.
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I notice Dr Death didn't lead by example.
He was old and sick. Yet he lingered till the last.
I keep seeing this.. rumblings that its ironic or hypocritical or whatnot, that Kevorkian didn't die by assisted suicide. But he wasn't out there trying to get people to die by assisted suicide, as if it's something everybody should do, or as if it's how one should die. It wasn't his cause to encourage people to kill themselves on machines..
.. so it really makes no sense to say that its weird or ironic or whatever that he didn't die by assisted suicide. He died naturally, according to his choice (or so we speculate)... which was what he was about - the patients choice.
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I keep seeing this.. rumblings that its ironic or hypocritical or whatnot, that Kevorkian didn't die by assisted suicide. But he wasn't out there trying to get people to die by assisted suicide, as if it's something everybody should do, or as if it's how one should die. It wasn't his cause to encourage people to kill themselves on machines..
.. so it really makes no sense to say that its weird or ironic or whatever that he didn't die by assisted suicide. He died naturally, according to his choice (or so we speculate)... which was what he was about - the patients choice.
How many despots and madmen have you defended, wilbur?
Just a rough guess will do.
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How many despots and madmen have you defended, wilbur?
Just a rough guess will do.
None, to my knowledge =)
You can talk all day about how creepy Kevorkian was, or whatnot, but whether he was crazy or sane, his overriding cause was patient self determination - not that one should die by assisted suicide. If one is going to criticize (or complement) it pays to get the facts right.
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None, to my knowledge =)
At least one. Does the name Kevorkian ring a bell?
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At least one. Does the name Kevorkian ring a bell?
I wasnt really defending him - just setting some facts right.
I'm reticent to defend or admonish him - I don't really know much about him, other than his general position on patient self-determination and assisted suicide and the basic gist of his story.
... but I'll suffice to say, I do take with a LARGE grain of salt all the gruesome tales and comparisons of him to a serial killer. Any vocal proponent of life and death issues that crosses with the so-called 'culture of life' camp gets horribly caricatured and demonized. Peter Singer is a perfect example... read about him second hand from many 'culture of life' circles, and you'll think he's the devil incarnate.... read his actual stuff and you couldn't imagine where those horrible characterizations come from, because he's nothing of the sort (whether you disagree or agree with him). Wouldn't be surprised if Kevorkian suffered similarly. But then again, maybe the stories are accurate, I don't know.
I'll agree his art is creepy-ish, but I'm not sure what kind of reflections about his character we can draw from any of that... not a psychologist.
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I wasnt really defending him - just setting some facts right.
I'm reticent to defend or admonish him - I don't really know much about him, other than his general position on patient self-determination and assisted suicide and the basic gist of his story.
... but I'll suffice to say, I do take with a LARGE grain of salt all the gruesome tales and comparisons of him to a serial killer. Any vocal proponent of life and death issues that crosses with the so-called 'culture of life' camp gets horribly caricatured and demonized. Peter Singer is a perfect example... read about him second hand from many 'culture of life' circles, and you'll think he's the devil incarnate.... read his actual stuff and you couldn't imagine where those horrible characterizations come from, because he's nothing of the sort (whether you disagree or agree with him). Wouldn't be surprised if Kevorkian suffered similarly. But then again, maybe the stories are accurate, I don't know.
I'll agree his art is creepy-ish, but I'm not sure what kind of reflections about his character we can draw from any of that... not a psychologist.
Maybe before you take that LARGE grain of salt on the gruesome tales and comparisons, etc., etc., of Kevorkian, you do some reading up on him, wilbur.
It's called "informing oneself before inserting one's own foot in one's own mouth."
Just a friendly suggestion.
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I notice Dr Death didn't lead by example.
He was old and sick. Yet he lingered till the last.
I dont think he ever said that every old person should be killed. Just that people who are suffering should have the right to kill themselves.
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I dont think he ever said that every old person should be killed. Just that people who are suffering should have the right to kill themselves.
That's against every moral standard that we, as humans and as a Christian society, set in our reverence of God.
The 5-7% of atheists do not dictate what is or is not acceptable. The ACLU, along with their minions can kiss my ass.
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That's against every moral standard that we, as humans and as a Christian society, set in our reverence of God.
The 5-7% of atheists do not dictate what is or is not acceptable. The ACLU, along with their minions can kiss my ass.
The lovely thing about choice is, that if you don't *WANT* to do X, you don't have too. But if you do want to do X, you have the freedom to do so. Freedom is a pretty important piece in our moral standards, as a country, yes?
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The lovely thing about choice is, that if you don't *WANT* to do X, you don't have too. But if you do want to do X, you have the freedom to do so. Freedom is a pretty important piece in our moral standards, as a country, yes?
Freedom or coercion?
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Being totally honest here, I have to say that in the spirit of personal freedom, I should have the right to off myself given certain conditions:
1. That I suffer from a debilitating, progressive, chronic, and eventually fatal disease.
2. That said disease has been confirmed on multiple levels by competent, independent, and unbiased medical authority.
3. That prolonging my life reduces the quality of that life, and makes it increasingly difficult and unsustainable for my family.
Now, all that said, the dicey part is figuring out the "when". And obviously, who.
As I recall, Switzerland offers a facility where assisted suicide is performed. Those people make it a BUSINESS of offing people, so I question those kinds of places for obvious reasons.
A self-administered bullet in the head is messy and traumatic for the person who finds the body. Not good.
Poisoning - also not good, because it isn't always 100% effective.
There are several other options, all of which have their disadvantages.
But apart from the gift of life from God, I do believe that when things become untenable, it makes no sense to prolong my own life. That is a personal decision that I can and should be able to make after dutiful, protracted, and honest discussion with those closest to me.
This is why I have a "do not resuscitate" order in my revocable trust.
There is no way in hell I want to finish out this thing called life in a coma, or as a vegetable. Just let me go.
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Being totally honest here, I have to say that in the spirit of personal freedom, I should have the right to off myself given certain conditions:
1. That I suffer from a debilitating, progressive, chronic, and eventually fatal disease.
2. That said disease has been confirmed on multiple levels by competent, independent, and unbiased medical authority.
3. That prolonging my life reduces the quality of that life, and makes it increasingly difficult and unsustainable for my family.
Now, all that said, the dicey part is figuring out the "when". And obviously, who.
As I recall, Switzerland offers a facility where assisted suicide is performed. Those people make it a BUSINESS of offing people, so I question those kinds of places for obvious reasons.
A self-administered bullet in the head is messy and traumatic for the person who finds the body. Not good.
Poisoning - also not good, because it isn't always 100% effective.
There are several other options, all of which have their disadvantages.
But apart from the gift of life from God, I do believe that when things become untenable, it makes no sense to prolong my own life. That is a personal decision that I can and should be able to make after dutiful, protracted, and honest discussion with those closest to me.
This is why I have a "do not resuscitate" order in my revocable trust.
There is no way in hell I want to finish out this thing called life in a coma, or as a vegetable. Just let me go.
Well, what the hell?! I actually agree with all of that. Damn.
We obviously don't want a world where people are pressured or forced into choosing death against their desires, so none of this should be taken lightly... but in the end, I do believe it can be the right and respectable choice to end ones life, given the conditions you mention above.
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Well, what the hell?! I actually agree with all of that. Damn.
We obviously don't want a world where people are pressured or forced into choosing death against their desires, so none of this should be taken lightly... but in the end, I do believe it can be the right and respectable choice to end ones life, given the conditions you mention above.
Don't let it go to your head, wilbur. We're so far apart on the other issues there's absolutely no common ground at all.
The problem I have with "personal freedoms" like this, is that many people who are not capable of thinking rationally and objectively in this area (Christ, probably most of us who might be confronted with the conditions I mentioned above) become susceptible to chicanery, fraud, and just plain whackos like Kevorkian who prey on such people. To avoid those types of things, the government ( :whatever: ) feels compelled to "protect" its citizens from those Kevorkian-types, and then we start down that slippery slope of regulation, rules, policies, laws, and the inevitable violations of those points of law, and in the end, the only people who win are the lawyers and the politicians who continually prove their "value" by reinventing and tweaking the entire program to close the loopholes and otherwise make the whole system more "palatable."
Gag me with a ****ing spoon, wilbur. The government is no more competent of making those types of decisions than the person who can't think rationally to begin with.
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Sorry. That slope is too slippery for me. What happens when others start making that "quality of life" decision?
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Sorry. That slope is too slippery for me. What happens when others start making that "quality of life" decision?
Yeah. I know. But the personal freedom should not (but probably cannot for the reasons already articulated) be abridged.
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All life is sacred. Both pre birth or in the end stages.
I'm sure Jesus would have preferred an end without suffering. His path was chosen, as is ours. I think it's something we have to endure.
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Sorry. That slope is too slippery for me. What happens when others start making that "quality of life" decision?
Dr Death used individual choice to break the ice with Euthanasia. But by using ASSISTED suicide he also set a precedent and opened the floodgates for others to decide the time you will die. Its because of pioneers like Dr Death that Obamacare DENIES coverage to the elderly and the handicapped. If Obamacare becomes law in 2014, I do not want to check into an American hospital.
The agenda of Dr Death was far more than an individual choosing death in a time of suffering.
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All life is sacred. Both pre birth or in the end stages.
I'm sure Jesus would have preferred an end without suffering. His path was chosen, as is ours. I think it's something we have to endure.
Well that's nice and all, but currently, I don't recognize your authority to make that choice for me (or for anyone else).
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Well that's nice and all, but currently, I don't recognize your authority to make that choice for me (or for anyone else).
I don't recall saying that I would.
If I had a say so when liberals die, it would be ..........today.
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Well that's nice and all, but currently, I don't recognize your authority to make that choice for me (or for anyone else).
I don't think his comment was directed at you, Nazi bitch boy.
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Sorry. That slope is too slippery for me. What happens when others start making that "quality of life" decision?
So what your saying is, giving me the freedom to do something TO MYSELF is a slippery slope to giving someone else the ability to do this to me against my will.
What?
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So what your saying is, giving me the freedom to do something TO MYSELF is a slippery slope to giving someone else the ability to do this to me against my will.
What?
The Catholic Church isn't too fond of the idea, but apart from that you can still put a bullet in your own head if you want to. That is, you can legally own a gun (if you're not a felon), are old enough to purchase it and ammo for it, and blow your brains out.
No problem.
Not that that's any kind of invitation, of course. :whistling:
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So what your saying is, giving me the freedom to do something TO MYSELF is a slippery slope to giving someone else the ability to do this to me against my will.
What?
Kevorkian didn't do it TO HIMSELF, jackass. He killed other people and called it mercy.
And my response was to Eupher's post.
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Because it was, ya know, mercy. Any of y'all ever watched someone you love die very, very slowly of a painful disease? I have. And I would always, always respect her right to choose her own death. Death with dignity instead of agony.
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Because it was, ya know, mercy. Any of y'all ever watched someone you love die very, very slowly of a painful disease? I have. And I would always, always respect her right to choose her own death. Death with dignity instead of agony.
Of course I have.
You call killing a loved one mercy. I (and some courts) call it murder. Tomato, to-mah-to, I guess.
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Of course I have.
You call killing a loved one mercy. I (and some courts) call it murder. Tomato, to-mah-to, I guess.
I didn't make that choice. She did, and I had no part in making it happen.
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Of course I have.
You call killing a loved one mercy. I (and some courts) call it murder. Tomato, to-mah-to, I guess.
Dr. Kevorkian only assisted in the suicide of those that consented did he not? Or were family members allowed to make the choice for the person dying? I never followed it all that closely.
Personally, I feel the same way as Eupher (post 26) on this issue.
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I didn't make that choice. She did, and I had no part in making it happen.
1. Sorry for your loss. It's always difficult to lose a loved one.
2. What happens when a patient can't speak for him/herself? No living will. Do we get to make the call when life ends? There's that slippery slope we get to.
I'm pro-life. We don't get to say when life begins or ends.
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Because it was, ya know, mercy. Any of y'all ever watched someone you love die very, very slowly of a painful disease? I have. And I would always, always respect her right to choose her own death. Death with dignity instead of agony.
Yes I have. My father was in ICU and then hospice the last 90 days of his life. There were only two days I didn't visit him.
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...I'm not a priest, but I have several friends in that line of work.
In my younger and more prideful days, I was in favor of Euthanasia. Then a buddy asked me this question. Who's the "mercy" killing really for? The victim, or us?
I tried for a witty retort, but had none. That one took a bit of soul searching. I wouldn't ever presume to answer that question for anyone else.
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Kevorkian didn't do it TO HIMSELF, jackass. He killed other people and called it mercy.
And my response was to Eupher's post.
He killed other people who WANTED to be killed. He even turned down people who he didnt think were in the right state of mind to make the decision.
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We agree. he killed people.
Q.E.D.
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We agree. he killed people.
Q.E.D.
He provided the means for others to kill themselves did he not?
I'm honestly asking. Didn't he merely provide the "drugs" and the machine that the dying person hit the button on?
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He provided the means for others to kill themselves did he not?
I'm honestly asking. Didn't he merely provide the "drugs" and the machine that the dying person hit the button on?
No. He actively pushed the switch on at least two. He claimed they were too weak to do it them self.
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No. He actively pushed the switch on at least two. He claimed they were too weak to do it them self.
On 60 Minutes no less! That's when they really went after him!
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No. He actively pushed the switch on at least two. He claimed they were too weak to do it them self.
Ahh... Thanks.
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...I'm not a priest, but I have several friends in that line of work.
In my younger and more prideful days, I was in favor of Euthanasia. Then a buddy asked me this question. Who's the "mercy" killing really for? The victim, or us?
I tried for a witty retort, but had none. That one took a bit of soul searching. I wouldn't ever presume to answer that question for anyone else.
You can ask him the same question... for whose benefit are we acting when we are required to prolong a life in terminal illness that doesn't wish to be prolonged any longer, and its remaining days will be filled with nothing but suffering? What are we accomplishing there, except to wash our own hands of a difficult problem that we don't like to think about? In the end, who is that really easier for?
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You can ask him the same question... for whose benefit are we acting when we are required to prolong a life in terminal illness that doesn't wish to be prolonged any longer, and its remaining days will be filled with nothing but suffering? What are we accomplishing there, except to wash our own hands of a difficult problem that we don't like to think about? In the end, who is that really easier for?
Exactly. If a man wishes to end his own suffering then what right do we have to stop him?
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To the atheist liberals, when you die, it's the end. To Christians, when you die, it's the beginning. Suicide is a mortal sin and must be answered for.
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To the atheist liberals, when you die, it's the end. To Christians, when you die, it's the beginning. Suicide is a mortal sin and must be answered for.
ALL sins must be answered for. I'm not sure that GOD makes any distinctions between one sin and another.
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ALL sins must be answered for. I'm not sure that GOD makes any distinctions between one sin and another.
Very true. One thing is for certain. There is no redemption from suicide. You can't ask for forgiveness in advance.
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He even turned down people who he didnt think were in the right state of mind to make the decision.
Link?
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Very true. One thing is for certain. There is no redemption from suicide. You can't ask for forgiveness in advance.
Show me in the bible where it says that people who commit suicide go to hell.
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Show me in the bible where it says that people who commit suicide go to hell.
Thou shall not commit murder.
Hell is not mentioned in the bible. What will happen is you will be without God.
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Link?
Lol. Don't hold your breath. This one doesn't believe in backing up his statements.
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Link?
Doncha know. He saw it in the Al Pacino movie. It must be true.
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Such a quick answer for a solvable problem.
30 years ago people with terminal, painful illnesses went to England and received the Atomic cocktails that were illegal in the USA. These treatments using drugs not legal in high doses in the USA were a life saver. The Patients were treated with drugs that eased the pain and allowed the Patients to still have some mental clarity to fight for life, and recognise loved ones, read write and communicate with family. Some with pain gone were able to walk talk and interact with other patients.
Take a 24/7 migraine, life is hell, pain so severe the Patient cannot do more then lay in a dark room in agony. Given the correct dosage of medicine, the patient can be relieved of pain and function again. But what if the medication is Outlawed in the amount of dosage needed.
To believe that one must suffer this way for years on end, some people will ask for an out of the agony. Who can blame the patient for making that decision ???? The nursing staff that knows if they break the law to keep the patient pain free and functioning will destroy their own lives are the people that run from health care.
This is what medicine is all about, Physician, first do no harm. Difficult for a Doctor to have laws that will not allow them to give people a fighting chance at life, if for only one week of enjoying life.
People at times give up much too early on life, in Kevorkian's list of people he helped are a few people just depressed, in some cases just sending these people on a vacation will snap them out of it. Take them completely out of their cause for depression and stimulate them away from their problems. Give them a new look at the world, have them begin to start looking forward to each new day, new sights and life as they never seen before.
In the end they have to go home to the same old problems, BUT, getting them out of the mind set poor me------Spend a week in some African villages with people just trying to survive may make their problem seen too small to worry about.
I got this idea when working at TPI in VA. in a private hospital filled with quite a few Navy wives that were so stressed out from husbands gone and becoming weird from the pressures of being far from family and totally responsible for the kids and all the problems that arise.
All the therapy in the world is not as good as getting away from the problems for awhile, people off themselves when they believe there is no escape, day after day the same shit, no relief in sight. No future or change.-----Must say one of the reasons the Hospital worked out was it gave the Patients time off from their pressures, gave them a different environment and placed them with people with worse problems then their own.
Kevorkian would have had a field day at State run hospitals, he could have run up the carnage by 10 a day.
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Lol. Don't hold your breath. This one doesn't believe in backing up his statements.
Doncha know. He saw it in the Al Pacino movie. It must be true.
Oh, I know this mouthy little ass-cracker's "debate style" all too well. I also know that direct engagement and the use of empirical evidence is like garlic and holy water to the little vampire.
But, sometimes, I just can't help myself.... :-)
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Thou shall not commit murder.
Hell is not mentioned in the bible. What will happen is you will be without God.
Show me where it says suicide is murder.
So you think your God will abandon you to the fiery pit if you have even one unforgiven sin when you die?
What if you say "Oh my God!" right before you get hit by a bus?
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Your understanding of religious belief is seconded only by your personal hygiene.
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Who you talkin at, bro?
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Show me where it says suicide is murder.
So you think your God will abandon you to the fiery pit if you have even one unforgiven sin when you die?
What if you say "Oh my God!" right before you get hit by a bus?
You have no interest in the answers. Your only interest is in antagonizing and disrupting behavior. Typical DUmmy.
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You have no interest in the answers. Your only interest is in antagonizing and disrupting behavior. Typical DUmmy.
You don't have any ****ing answers, bro.
You're just a typical sky-fairy worshiping hillbilly. I'm surrounded by your kind.
Fortunately for me, they're all poor, like most stupid people.
Poor people like to think they've got some great reward coming to them after their shitty lives are over because they're one of Gawd's chosen shitheads.
Religion and real conservatism don't mix. You just wind up with pretentious meddling liberals who won't shut up about how much they hate liberals. I'd take a liberal who admits what they are any day over one that's in denial.
Nobody who believes the government has the authority to take away your right to die on your own terms is fit to call themselves conservative, and should just start pinning Nancy Pelosi posters on their wall.
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Great. Another "real conservative."
You have any other purpose besides insulting members?
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You don't have any ****ing answers, bro.
You're just a typical sky-fairy worshiping hillbilly. I'm surrounded by your kind.
Fortunately for me, they're all poor, like most stupid people.
Poor people like to think they've got some great reward coming to them after their shitty lives are over because they're one of Gawd's chosen shitheads.
Religion and real conservatism don't mix. You just wind up with pretentious meddling liberals who won't shut up about how much they hate liberals. I'd take a liberal who admits what they are any day over one that's in denial.
Nobody who believes the government has the authority to take away your right to die on your own terms is fit to call themselves conservative, and should just start pinning Nancy Pelosi posters on their wall.
Wow. Goes from zero to pissed off in 0.26 nanoseconds.
Tuck can take care of himself, but it looks to me like you're just another Ronulan who's looking for an excuse to do the duffle bag drag.
I'm pretty sure that can be accommodated.
Just sayin'.....
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Wow. Goes from zero to pissed off in 0.26 nanoseconds.
Tuck can take care of himself, but it looks to me like you're just another Ronulan who's looking for an excuse to do the duffle bag drag.
I'm pretty sure that can be accommodated.
Just sayin'.....
Kinda reminds me of my neighbor when I was a kid.......he kept a really nasty dog chained to a tree in his front yard. I used to enjoy the look on the dogs face when I walked past, he lunged.....and ran out of chain..........that dog never learned......
Our little friend here is rapidly running out of slack as well.
doc
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You don't have any ****ing answers, bro.
You're right about that. I keep asking questions, hoping to ask the right one.
You're just a typical sky-fairy worshiping hillbilly. I'm surrounded by your kind.
Actually I'm a southerner. If you're surrounded by hillbillies, you're a Yankee.
Fortunately for me, they're all poor, like most stupid people.
I retired at 53. My wife retired at 54.
Poor people like to think they've got some great reward coming to them after their shitty lives are over because they're one of Gawd's chosen shitheads.
I'm not arrogant enough to believe that. I only hope I'm modest enough to pray for that.
Religion and real conservatism don't mix. You just wind up with pretentious meddling liberals who won't shut up about how much they hate liberals. I'd take a liberal who admits what they are any day over one that's in denial.
I'll admit that I wouldn't mind sending a few to their maker. The fact that I haven't, is a testament to my beliefs.
Nobody who believes the government has the authority to take away your right to die on your own terms is fit to call themselves conservative, and should just start pinning Nancy Pelosi posters on their wall.
No one is saying you can't. I'm saying that there will be repercussions.
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It appears that a troll has been left behind the banned trolls.
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Who you talkin at, bro?
It would appear that it's you, dickhead.
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Frankenbeanz is too busy window-shopping for dildos and strap-ons to reply to your pithy comments. Because he's too hardcore for Murfreesboro, TN. All y'all better recognize.
http://www.mistressdestiny.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-77044.html
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Kinda reminds me of my neighbor when I was a kid.......he kept a really nasty dog chained to a tree in his front yard. I used to enjoy the look on the dogs face when I walked past, he lunged.....and ran out of chain..........that dog never learned......
Our little friend here is rapidly running out of slack as well.
doc
Doc, why is this mutt still allowed to drag his ass across the carpet?
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Doc, why is this mutt still allowed to drag his ass across the carpet?
Because I'm not out of popcorn yet? :popcorn:
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Because I'm not out of popcorn yet? :popcorn:
Works for me...