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May 25, 2011, - 3:37 pm
FRAUD: Herman Cain Does 180 on Islam, Would Appoint Muslims to Cabinet
By Debbie Schlussel
After coming out strongly against Islam and appointing Muslims to his cabinet, Republican Presidential candidate Herman Cain reversed course completely. Yup, the guy is a total fraud, a complete flip-flopper. Buh-bye, Herman.
Praise allah: One Out of Two Herman Cains Would Appoint Muslims to His Cabinet, Judgeships
Herman Cain wants to correct the record: He would consider a Muslim for his cabinet or as a federal judge if he’s elected president.
Scratch Cain from any consideration from me.
LINK: Muzzies on Cain's White House team? (http://www.debbieschlussel.com/37679/fraud-herman-cain-does-180-on-islam-would-appoint-muslims-to-cabinet/)
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HERMAN CAIN, CEO, THE NEW VOICE: Hey, Neil, a reporter asked me would I appoint a Muslim to my administration? I did say no. And here’s why. But the reporter didn’t tell you this.
I would have to have people totally committed to the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of this United States. And many of the Muslims, they are not totally dedicated to this country. They are not dedicated to our Constitution. Many of them are trying to force Sharia law on the people of this country.
And, so, yes, I did say it, and that is because I don’t have time to be watching someone on my administration if they are not totally committed to the Declaration and the Constitution of the United States and the laws of this country.
CAVUTO: So, what if they told you, a prospective Cabinet member in a Cain administration, look, I’m Muslim, but I — I would honor all of the above and I would not be necessarily for Sharia law?
CAIN: Then, in that case, I would certainly consider that individual.
But, see, my motivation for saying, no, I wouldn’t, was based upon the fact that they are trying to push Sharia law off on this country. And I’m simply not going to try and be politically correct in order to help facilitate that.
But if they were to give me a commitment, and they had some very critical skills bring to the administration for the good of this country, of course I would consider them.
CAVUTO: OK. So, you’re not saying never, never, never?
CAIN: No, I’m not saying never, never, never.
Look, as you know, Neil, the first — one of the biggest things that any leader has to do, especially the president, is to surround himself or herself with the right people. There are tons of capable people in this country.
And while I have been in this exploratory phase, yes, I have been considering, who would I put in various roles? Who do I consider to be some of the true patriots of this country that could help a Herman Cain Cabinet if I were to run and become president?
And, so, yes, so far, I have not come across or I don’t have acquaintances with people who have professed their Muslim religion that are on the list of people that I would consider.
We are — we have become a nation of crises, Neil. And being politically correct isn’t something I am going to spend a whole lot of my time worrying about, when we got all of these other problems that we are facing right here in this country.
I don't have a problem with that.
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I don't have a problem with that.
Muzzies all dress alike. How does one tell the difference between a good muzzie and a bad one?
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Muzzies all dress alike. How does one tell the difference between a good muzzie and a bad one?
Let me know when you find a candidate that will answer that question differently. If a candidate says that they will not appoint a Muslim based on their religion, they may as well withdraw from the race.
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Let me know when you find a candidate that will answer that question differently. If a candidate says that they will not appoint a Muslim based on their religion, they may as well withdraw from the race.
And a background check, and a security clearance, just like the others are.
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And a background check, and a security clearance, just like the others are.
What are you talkin about puddle pirate???
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Muzzies all dress alike. How does one tell the difference between a good muzzie and a bad one?
How do you tell good Christians from bad when they all dress alike?
FFS let's not cut our face off to spite our nose.
[Yes, I meant it that way so show the extremity.]
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Scratch Cain from any consideration from me.
LINK: Muzzies on Cain's White House team? (http://www.debbieschlussel.com/37679/fraud-herman-cain-does-180-on-islam-would-appoint-muslims-to-cabinet/)
My son serves with Muslims who put country first just like their nonMuslim brothers. Content of character, NOT religion. When Jake was at DLI he had teachers from Sudan, Jordan, Egypt, and Iraq. All were very pro American and hate the extremists.
Cindie
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Just as there are good Catholics and bad Catholics, good Baptists and bad Baptists, good Jews and bad Jews, good Buddhists and bad Buddhists, ad infinitum, there's good Muslims and bad Muslims. Discriminating people know this.
Speaking of Cain, here's soimething I found on Yahoo! today:
Why Herman Cain Could Become America's First Black President
Sevastian Winters – Mon May 30, 3:40 pm ET
Contribute content like this. Start here.
COMMENTARY | After Barack Obama, America's first African American president, is America now prepared to vote its first black president into office? This week, the Republicans' best shot for a presidential win, staunch conservative Herman Cain, takes to the campaign trail. After an impressive showing in the first debate amongst GOP hopefuls, Cain, rather than Romney or Gingrich, could be the one to beat in 2012 -- a true black man.
To clarify, being black in America is not about the color of one's skin or the curl of one's natural hair, though part of it. It is about a shared history of a robbed heritage -- a culture that has developed over several centuries unique to any other in human history.
President Obama was never robbed of his heritage. He knew which of his relatives came from Africa, from whence he came, and under what circumstances. When we talk about black people in America, we speak of people who in the view of history had no name until Harriet Tubman and precious little in terms of property until the generation of black people represented by Herman Cain.
This guy is a Democrat, folks. And he feels this way.
I took out a couple of paragraphs because of the length of the article.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110530/us_ac/8560685_why_herman_cain_could_become_americas_first_black_president;_ylt=AooWor5KmLlq_e.laz18WORn.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTRuanJvcWFmBGFzc2V0A2FjLzIwMTEwNTMwLzg1NjA2ODVfd2h5X2hlcm1hbl9jYWluX2NvdWxkX2JlY29tZV9hbWVyaWNhc19maXJzdF9ibGFja19wcmVzaWRlbnQEY2NvZGUDZ21wYWxscG9vbARjcG9zAzQEcG9zAzQEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yaWVzBHNsawN3aHloZXJtYW5jYWk-
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What are you talkin about puddle pirate???
Insult acknowledged, smartass.
Obastard's cabinet members are not so vetted, and Clinton's were absolutely not vetted.
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This is the U.S., not Iran or even the Vatican. The fact that someone has a certain particular religion is a completely prohibited, illegal basis to exclude even considering them for any secular position. That's part of that whole 'Constitution' thing to which we want them to be loyal above all, y'know?
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Insult acknowledged, smartass.
Obastard's cabinet members are not so vetted, and Clinton's were absolutely not vetted.
Sorry that was clearly covered in the Inter-Service Rivalry Act of 1974.
So Cain said he would vett every person, regardless of their religious affiliation.
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Gotta luv Herman Cain's no-nonsense, non pc, non professional liar, err .. I mean politicians answers.
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Scratch Cain from any consideration from me.
LINK: Muzzies on Cain's White House team? (http://www.debbieschlussel.com/37679/fraud-herman-cain-does-180-on-islam-would-appoint-muslims-to-cabinet/)
Yep, cuz four more years of 0bama is so much better...
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This is the U.S., not Iran or even the Vatican. The fact that someone has a certain particular religion is a completely prohibited, illegal basis to exclude even considering them for any secular position. That's part of that whole 'Constitution' thing to which we want them to be loyal above all, y'know?
Exactly correct. You were saying CG?
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Muzzies all dress alike. How does one tell the difference between a good muzzie and a bad one?
No... They don't.
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One of our non-participatory members here is a Muslim and I would choose him as a Muslim cabinet member if he were qualified for such a position. He's a former Marine, has held security clearances, etc. He is one that doesn't dress like a Muslim and puts his country first. He also doesn't believe in Sharia law over US Law.
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One of our non-participatory members here is a Muslim and I would choose him as a Muslim cabinet member if he were qualified for such a position. He's a former Marine, has held security clearances, etc. He is one that doesn't dress like a Muslim and puts his country first. He also doesn't believe in Sharia law over US Law.
Well I would like to add that I have zero clue what Muslim dress looks like :) For me it's whatever I pull out the dresser like today I wore khaki cargo shorts, a t-shirt and sneakers. Which is what most Muslims who look like me probably wore today. One of my close friends Muhammad wore a linen shirt and sandals with his shorts and sunglasses to accent the diamond studs in his ears. He's such a pretty boy! All jokes aside cultural dress is not Muslim dress. People dress according to their culture which some imitate. But if you look at the majority of Muslims in the US who happen to be black Americans you will see that we dress according to our culture as well. We are not bedouins so Muslims like me dress New Jerseyan because that's were I'm from or New Yorkan like my wife and most of my friends because that's where they are from unfortunately. On a serious note it's a beautiful thing to read this thread and see real Americans standing up for our values even if you are unfortunately plagued with a case of anti obamaism :)
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Well I would like to add that I have zero clue what Muslim dress looks like :) For me it's whatever I pull out the dresser like today I wore khaki cargo shorts, a t-shirt and sneakers.
With or without socks? I'm only asking because that is what I wore today.
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With socks was never allowed to wear shoes without socks except for sandals. Kinda stuck with me since childhood.
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With socks was never allowed to wear shoes without socks except for sandals. Kinda stuck with me since childhood.
Question for Salaam.
Why is it that the men of Islam can dress any darn way they choose, but their woman and girls regardless if what country or job they choose MUST wear the head scarf in public.
At my job the Sanitation requirements were for hair nets even for the dudes that were bald. :-)
The woman of Islam had to remove their head scarfs and wear hair nets to work ---They never came in or left to go home without their scarfs.
In the last 10 years I worked with these people, at least two husbands came in an removed their wives from work as they were wearing hair nets at their job and not the head scarf.
Why is it we can pick out a woman or girl of Islam in public because of their dress but the men flit about in shorts, sandals and no head covering ????
Pleeeeeze Salaam, do not tell me this is the woman's choice. We at this time have more then a few fathers in prison as they killed their young daughters for going without the scarf and were becoming too westernized
So whats with the males that have the choice to dress as they wish but the woman can become a target for the crazies that hate Islam. Are the woman in some way shielding your identity, some crazy decides to kill Muslims but can only identify the woman as the men look like everyone else????
Put it this way my dear, had a Christian Country attacked a Muslim country and the Christions for what ever idea decided to move in and life in the country. Get the Idea. Thousands of Christians moved into a country they had attacked and the male Christians dressed like the Muslim male population.
Now the wives and daughters had to wear mini skirts with a huge cross around their neck.This is a like setting them up to take the fall for the men. No question here who is Christian and big question of what male is????
Can you Salaam tell me why this is?????
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Question for Salaam.
Why is it that the men of Islam can dress any darn way they choose, but their woman and girls regardless if what country or job they choose MUST wear the head scarf in public.
At my job the Sanitation requirements were for hair nets even for the dudes that were bald. :-)
The woman of Islam had to remove their head scarfs and wear hair nets to work ---They never came in or left to go home without their scarfs.
In the last 10 years I worked with these people, at least two husbands came in an removed their wives from work as they were wearing hair nets at their job and not the head scarf.
Why is it we can pick out a woman or girl of Islam in public because of their dress but the men flit about in shorts, sandals and no head covering ????
Pleeeeeze Salaam, do not tell me this is the woman's choice. We at this time have more then a few fathers in prison as they killed their young daughters for going without the scarf and were becoming too westernized
So whats with the males that have the choice to dress as they wish but the woman can become a target for the crazies that hate Islam. Are the woman in some way shielding your identity, some crazy decides to kill Muslims but can only identify the woman as the men look like everyone else????
Put it this way my dear, had a Christian Country attacked a Muslim country and the Christions for what ever idea decided to move in and life in the country. Get the Idea. Thousands of Christians moved into a country they had attacked and the male Christians dressed like the Muslim male population.
Now the wives and daughters had to wear mini skirts with a huge cross around their neck.This is a like setting them up to take the fall for the men. No question here who is Christian and big question of what male is????
Can you Salaam tell me why this is?????
I don't know where all these assumptions and blanket accusations come from, but I can say that from the experience of being married to a Muslim woman from a Muslim family that generalizations don't always ring true. I seriously doubt you would be able to pick my wife, her sisters, or her mother out of a line up of black American women as Muslims and it's not just black Muslim women. I helped create a Muslim non-profit and our president and executives are all women save me (go figure) the president is Syrian, the executives from Pakistan, India, Nigeria, and other traditionally "Muslim" countries. All are practicing Muslims and only one from Malaysia, wears a hijab. So I don't know what your experience is, but this is mine as a devout and practicing Muslim. I'm not about to get into Islamic theology, fiqh, tafsir, etc. etc. etc. because it wouldn't make a difference in the discussion. The fact remains at least in my life and experience, that Muslim women choose to dress how they will, and that's their right according to Islam. There are those such as Thor who can run the gambit for you and go through my friends list on facebook and report how many Muslim women actually wear hijab if you don't believe me. The results would pretty much match what I have stated. The majority of Muslim women at least in the West regardless of their ethnic or cultural origins tend to dress like other Western women more or less. I recommend you talk to or meet actual Muslim women rather than believe the hype. Just don't expect them to wear a label that states "I am a Muslim". Often, that clerk, employee, or woman just walking down the street that happens to look like she may be from a Middle Eastern country even if in a t-shirt and shorts is a Muslim. The Arabic names are almost always a dead giveaway too.
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Salaam, I don't know how familiar you are with the posters here, but there generally isn't a lot to gain in responding to one of vesta's stream-of-damaged-consciousness posts in a real point-by-point way. Just do your best to figure out the main point, if there is one, and hit that. Sorry.
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Salaam, I don't know how familiar you are with the posters here, but there generally isn't a lot to gain in responding to one of vesta's stream-of-damaged-consciousness posts in a real point-by-point way. Just do your best to figure out the main point, if there is one, and hit that. Sorry.
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Hey, Salaam. It's been awhile, eh?
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Salaam, I don't know how familiar you are with the posters here, but there generally isn't a lot to gain in responding to one of vesta's stream-of-damaged-consciousness posts in a real point-by-point way. Just do your best to figure out the main point, if there is one, and hit that. Sorry.
Thanks for the advice. I will try not to drag myself down that path again. I would have hoped that in all these years I learned that much. :)
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Hey, Salaam. It's been awhile, eh?
Too long. I have all but abandoned message boards. Years of headaches. However, I'm on fb all the time and some of the guys and gals who have been on opposite sides of the message board wars are my friends there and true to form we rarely agree with each other. :thatsright: But at the end of the day, they're like family. It's good to be posting again who knows I might make it a habit....
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how can you tell if they're ragheads??? just follow the prayer rugs
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how can you tell if they're ragheads??? just follow the prayer rugs
Next time I'm in Quantico for Jummah, I'll be sure to tell all the Marines, Sailors, etc. in attendance what you think! O-)
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OK, then back to the original point. I was married to a secular-as-you-can-get Muslim. Broke all the rules, yet still called himself a "Muslim." Nothing dangerous about the guy. Any cabinet position, regardless of someone's race, religion, color, what have you, must be thoroughly vetted to get the best and brightest. And have America's best interests at the core of their being.
Past associations HAVE to matter. Look what we got with Obama's free pass. The biggest bunch of moonbats and closet commies in history. Never again.
Now, I think the whole thing with Cain was a hypothetical question. There's nobody he has in mind. Probably would never happen.
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THE ORIGINAL POINT WAS: Is Cain a fraud? Then you don't think Cain is a fraud?
I shoulda made this a poll.
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THE ORIGINAL POINT WAS: Is Cain a fraud? Then you don't think Cain is a fraud?
I shoulda made this a poll.
I'd say start over again. The thread got kinda derailed.
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OK, then back to the original point. I was married to a secular-as-you-can-get Muslim. Broke all the rules, yet still called himself a "Muslim." Nothing dangerous about the guy. Any cabinet position, regardless of someone's race, religion, color, what have you, must be thoroughly vetted to get the best and brightest. And have America's best interests at the core of their being.
Past associations HAVE to matter. Look what we got with Obama's free pass. The biggest bunch of moonbats and closet commies in history. Never again.
Now, I think the whole thing with Cain was a hypothetical question. There's nobody he has in mind. Probably would never happen.
Bravo Karin, and H5; I have a moonbat in-law who converted to Islam. He's pretty damned secular, he really doesn't do anything different as a Moslem than he did as a nominal Christian and then agnostic, except observe a different day of rest and different holidays. The fact that he should never be entrusted with any kind of policy or decision power in any part of the government of this country has nothing whatsoever to do with his religion, and everything to do with his nutbar Leftist politics.
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President George Bush, who labelled Islam as a peaceful religion, has not a clue. The so-called democracy movements in the Middle East are nothing of that. They are a calling to Muslims to unite against their common foe, Israel. Bringing them together. All against Israel. As in the past,
they will fail, and Israel will prevail.
Herman Cain? He still must define himself. Politician or a man of truth.
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President George Bush, who labelled Islam as a peaceful religion, has not a clue. The so-called democracy movements in the Middle East are nothing of that. They are a calling to Muslims to unite against their common foe, Israel. Bringing them together. All against Israel. As in the past,
they will fail, and Israel will prevail.
Herman Cain? He still must define himself. Politician or a man of truth.
You can be both. Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, Allen West, (for all his nuttiness) Ron Paul, Gov. Brewer, etc. are honest politicians.
Cindie
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Yep, cuz four more years of 0bama is so much better...
I can't think of anything worse. My dog Darlene could do a better job. :-)
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Bravo Karin, and H5; I have a moonbat in-law who converted to Islam. He's pretty damned secular, he really doesn't do anything different as a Moslem than he did as a nominal Christian and then agnostic, except observe a different day of rest and different holidays. The fact that he should never be entrusted with any kind of policy or decision power in any part of the government of this country has nothing whatsoever to do with his religion, and everything to do with his nutbar Leftist politics.
And I thought I had it bad with an in-law who merely is one of those deluded, easily led libs. Way back he said, "I support Obama. Obama is my man". :whatever:
He won't comment now and told me to be quiet when I made a few remarks that were too close to the truth. So I guess I'm better off with a nice, but deluded, in-law vs a total nutbar Leftist. All things are relative, literally. :-)
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And I thought I had it bad with an in-law who merely is one of those deluded, easily led libs. Way back he said, "I support Obama. Obama is my man". :whatever:
He won't comment now and told me to be quiet when I made a few remarks that were too close to the truth. So I guess I'm better off with a nice, but deluded, in-law vs a total nutbar Leftist. All things are relative, literally. :-)
same with my brother N law. he was a bush hater and voted for Osama. now he says they're all crooks :-)
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same with my brother N law. he was a bush hater and voted for Osama. now he says they're all crooks :-)
Mine won't even give in on that---that they're ALL crooks. The last time I saw him he said "I don't want to talk about it anymore." He got all upset. He's a super quiet guy who flunked out on assertiveness training twice that his employer mandated. I must have really ticked him off. I have to confess that I upset him that much as I've never, ever seen him stand up for himself.
It's a shame because he's actually a very smart guy. It's amazing how kids absorb the beliefs of the parents. His dad was always a lib, but have to confess my dad was always a conservative so shouldn't be throwing stones in my glass house.
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Mine won't even give in on that---that they're ALL crooks. The last time I saw him he said "I don't want to talk about it anymore." He got all upset. He's a super quiet guy who flunked out on assertiveness training twice that his employer mandated. I must have really ticked him off. I have to confess that I upset him that much as I've never, ever seen him stand up for himself.
It's a shame because he's actually a very smart guy. It's amazing how kids absorb the beliefs of the parents. His dad was always a lib, but have to confess my dad was always a conservative so shouldn't be throwing stones in my glass house.
mine's a retired GM worker so you know who they worship. my whole family is dem. im the family outcast. my sister thinks the sunshine blows out of Osama's ass. her and I have had a few go rounds. along with him. I haven't been to their house in years. and she seldom ever calls.
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My dad was a union linotype operator his entire working days. He hated Regan. My mother never talked politics and never let on to who she voted for. I think she pulled the Republician hammer every time she got into the voting booth. I did the same.
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My wife and I just saw Cain on with Glenn Beck. She's in on Cain. Cain did have one gaffe, though . . . he addressed Beck as "Neil (Cavuto)" once. They both had a good laugh over that one.
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My wife and I just saw Cain on with Glenn Beck. She's in on Cain. Cain did have one gaffe, though . . . he addressed Beck as "Neil (Cavuto)" once. They both had a good laugh over that one.
Cavuto has been one of the few that has been paying attention to Cain and has had him on several times.
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The leftwing MSM is going to have a field day over some of his quotes because they're into gotcha politics and soundbites. Namely that he wouldn't appoint a Shar'ia-supporting Muslim to his cabinet. I'm ALL on board with that. Those idiots will say he's talking about all Muslims.
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My husband just received his shipment of Herman Cain 2012 bumper stickers and he put it on his truck right next to his "STOP GLOBAL WHINING" bumper sticker.
We listened to him speak last year at the Redstate.com gathering in Austin and he is impressive. I waited in line to meet him and I gave him a hug. :whistling:
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I heard him interviewed on Mark Levins show.
So many RINOS are running. Fortunately, he is not one of them.
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My husband just received his shipment of Herman Cain 2012 bumper stickers and he put it on his truck right next to his "STOP GLOBAL WHINING" bumper sticker.
We listened to him speak last year at the Redstate.com gathering in Austin and he is impressive. I waited in line to meet him and I gave him a hug. :whistling:
We seem to be lumping all Muslims together as some lump all Christians together.
I have only met ONE Middle Eastern Muslim and the man was a fanatic and scared the crap out of me. Matter of fact in the few months he worked with me he scared the Hell out of the Indonesians and the American Black Muslims.
Just as all Catholics try to remain Catholic but some have abortions, eat meat on Friday etc. Baptists do drink and smoke, and some Quakers will own guns and know how to use them for home protection.
Big differences in the world of Muslim, I find it unfair to and inaccurate to place them all in one basket,
My generation remembers all so well the propaganda against JFK a Catholic running for president.
The moans an groans of those that actually believed that if he were elected the Pope would tell him how to run the country.
I find Cain afraid as to cave under the anti-Muslim mantra, to take a page out of American History that the saying" The only good Indian is a dead Indian" to now the hysteria that " The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim" is from those that have no knowledge of the whys and where fores of those they perport to be enemy's.
Cain is stepping up into the shoes of others before him and giving empty promisses to anyone that wants a leader to think on their level, be it ignorant or run by greed.
So far I have not seen a shit load of ponies wandering the streets of the big city's, fortunately Obama reneged on that promiss as there would be starving and homeless ponies all over town.
Why does this remind me of a Campaign promiss to put a chicken in every pot ?????
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We seem to be lumping all Muslims together as some lump all Christians together.
I have only met ONE Middle Eastern Muslim and the man was a fanatic and scared the crap out of me. Matter of fact in the few months he worked with me he scared the Hell out of the Indonesians and the American Black Muslims.
Just as all Catholics try to remain Catholic but some have abortions, eat meat on Friday etc. Baptists do drink and smoke, and some Quakers will own guns and know how to use them for home protection.
Big differences in the world of Muslim, I find it unfair to and inaccurate to place them all in one basket,
My generation remembers all so well the propaganda against JFK a Catholic running for president.
The moans an groans of those that actually believed that if he were elected the Pope would tell him how to run the country.
I find Cain afraid as to cave under the anti-Muslim mantra, to take a page out of American History that the saying" The only good Indian is a dead Indian" to now the hysteria that " The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim" is from those that have no knowledge of the whys and where fores of those they perport to be enemy's.
Cain is stepping up into the shoes of others before him and giving empty promisses to anyone that wants a leader to think on their level, be it ignorant or run by greed.
So far I have not seen a shit load of ponies wandering the streets of the big city's, fortunately Obama reneged on that promiss as there would be starving and homeless ponies all over town.
Why does this remind me of a Campaign promiss to put a chicken in every pot ?????
I'll tell ya what... When I start seeing these so called peaceful Muslims publicly and loudly denouncing the actions of their "fanatic" brethren, then perhaps I will view them differently as a group.
Until such a time, I will view them all as suspect.
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I'll tell ya what... When I start seeing these so called peaceful Muslims publicly and loudly denouncing the actions of their "fanatic" brethren, then perhaps I will view them differently as a group.
Until such a time, I will view them all as suspect.
What would such a display look like? Would it be like every major Muslim organization denouncing fanatacism? Would it be press conferences, statements, or tv appearances? What about working with law enforcement, joining the FBI, or serving in the military? Maybe we just need your advice, because we have done all those things and yet 10 years later people still claim it isn't happening. Maybe people just don't know how to use Google?
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What would such a display look like? Would it be like every major Muslim organization denouncing fanatacism? Would it be press conferences, statements, or tv appearances? What about working with law enforcement, joining the FBI, or serving in the military? Maybe we just need your advice, because we have done all those things and yet 10 years later people still claim it isn't happening. Maybe people just don't know how to use Google?
I tell you what it would look like. It would look like "moderate" muslims walking out of a mosque where "jihad" or other forceful conversion of us "infidels" was being preached, and making a right turn and a beeline for the local police station to file reports and demand arrests for the crap going on there.
I'm a mormon. In the '80s, we had a mission out in Honolulu where some of the male missionaries were pimping out the female missionaries. The church came down on that whole mission like a ton of bricks. All 200 or so missionaries were excommunicated from the church: some for participating; and the rest, for knowing it was going on and doing or saying nothing to stop it. That done, the actual actors in the whole debacle were escorted down to Honolulu PD, where they were surrendered to the authorities, and charged with their crimes.
That's the kind of response I'd love to see from the "moderate" muslim community, Salaam. Not tolerance of the "radicals". Not sheltering them and their activities. Not sweeping their carnage done in Allah's name under the rug. If Islam truly is a "religion of peace", then set the standard in your community, and then expel those who refuse to live by it, reporting their activities to the proper authorities.
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OK then. So since we all know or should know by now that the overwhelming majority of terror arrests come from tips from Muslims, then we shouldn't continue with arguments that have no basis in reality. As it was already testified before congress, Muslim Americans do work with law enforcement and the FBI. Every recent arrest whether times square, VA, Pakistani 5, etc were all due to Muslims calling law enforcement. In most major mosques today sermons are recorded and most streamed on the web. At least in NYC, DC, and Atlanta. The information and statistics are readily available some just prefer to pretend its not there.
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What would such a display look like? Would it be like every major Muslim organization denouncing fanatacism? Would it be press conferences, statements, or tv appearances? What about working with law enforcement, joining the FBI, or serving in the military? Maybe we just need your advice, because we have done all those things and yet 10 years later people still claim it isn't happening. Maybe people just don't know how to use Google?
Salaam, it is difficult to explain fanaticism to those that have never seen it.
We walk by people wild eyed on street corners clothed in robes carrying a bible and shouting the end is coming. Do we speak to them, question their mission, Hell no we run the other way.
We watch in horror as people in Asia, Buddhists douse them selves with gas and burn to death.
Fanatics come from all walks of people, the State of RI became as it is is because the Protestants ran the Catholics out of Mass.
Utah was settled by the Mormons that were killed and jailed in the North. At one time the Quaker's were tared and feathered and ran out of town by the good Christian Fanatics of the time----not even going to the burning alive people of the fanatics in Mass.
Today we center on the Middle Eastern Muslims that are fanatical about keeping their faith and culture intact. They have gone from a civilization that was once proud, the arts and science was their crowning glory. Today they have become so religious oriented they have lost their wonderful heritage to become slaves to their religious leaders. They no longer build awe inspiring edifices, temples or even think of them selves as humans, all is for religion, and war.
The westernised Muslims are in no way the same with a few exceptions in any way, they make tremendous contributions to western society's, smart, hard working and are not about to want to go back to the places they came from, good reason they fled their home land in the first place.
Just compair the ME Muslims with the American Black Muslims, Sure Farracon attracts the fanatics, but like all faiths not all are wild eyed and dangerous.
Why do not the Muslim comunity speak out about the Finatics, easy, they have family and are controlled by the Muslim religious leaders. The very fear of what will happen to their family's and to themselves leaves them alone and silent.----To speak out is a sentence of death to them and family.
Check out what is happening to the Bahia comunity in the ME-----Gross and inhuman.
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OK then. So since we all know or should know by now that the overwhelming majority of terror arrests come from tips from Muslims, then we shouldn't continue with arguments that have no basis in reality.
We all know this? Please cite a source, because I've sure never heard this before. I know that SOME terrorist arrests have come from tips within "the community", but most of the ones I'm immediately familiar with are arrested because alert bystanders, passengers, Times Square security cameras, etc. are spotting them in the act and refusing to be a victim of muslim violence.
By contrast, I'm all too familiar with the mosques in Virginia, Florida, Michigan and other places which are actively recruiting American muslims and shipping overseas for training in Jihad against the west. I'm aware of terrorist training camps being set up and run here in this country, on American soil. I'm aware of muslim religious schools here on American soil, where - among other questionable things - kids are taught geography with the state of Israel nowhere on the map.
But the part I find most offensive, is the fact that muslim apologists - "moderate" muslims, all (or so they claim, and without refute from any other voices in the muslim community, I might add) - tell me that all of this is merely "misperception" on my part; that I am mis-interpreting what it is that is before my eyes, because somehow I lack the cultural context to understand that all of these things really are peaceful, and that muslims are simply trying to live and fit in and function within American society. Bullshit. Don't piss on my leg and then try to tell me that it's just the rain.
If the "moderate" muslim community - where y'all claim that of about 1.5 BILLION muslims, only - at most - 10% or 150 million are the radicals doing what we here in the west associate with the "Religion of Peace(TM)" - wanted these radicals ostracized and separated from them, 1.35 billion people could make it happen. The fact that radicals continue to find cover and shelter, not to mention recruits, money, arms, and support from within the "moderate" flocks tells me that at best, y'all are of two minds, even here in America.
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I tell you what it would look like. It would look like "moderate" muslims walking out of a mosque where "jihad" or other forceful conversion of us "infidels" was being preached, and making a right turn and a beeline for the local police station to file reports and demand arrests for the crap going on there.
I'm a mormon. In the '80s, we had a mission out in Honolulu where some of the male missionaries were pimping out the female missionaries. The church came down on that whole mission like a ton of bricks. All 200 or so missionaries were excommunicated from the church: some for participating; and the rest, for knowing it was going on and doing or saying nothing to stop it. That done, the actual actors in the whole debacle were escorted down to Honolulu PD, where they were surrendered to the authorities, and charged with their crimes.
That's the kind of response I'd love to see from the "moderate" muslim community, Salaam. Not tolerance of the "radicals". Not sheltering them and their activities. Not sweeping their carnage done in Allah's name under the rug. If Islam truly is a "religion of peace", then set the standard in your community, and then expel those who refuse to live by it, reporting their activities to the proper authorities.
Thanks. You beat me to it.
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Muzzies all dress alike. How does one tell the difference between a good muzzie and a bad one?
Actually they are quite capable of outwardly blending into a western society in an appearance sense. As to good or bad- A true moslem can only be an enemy to any normal civil society. Sharia and jihad define being moslem. The community in self-defense must remove any person spouting/harbouring such ideas by any means available.
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Books, school, google, 14 centuries and people still pretend they don't know any better. 5 pillars and 6 articles govern the faith of a Muslim. Neither Jihad nor Shariah are part of either. One day we will get past blatant misinformation and stick to the facts.
Of course no true moslem feels the least guilt at deception of the infidel. Show me a moslem who will publically reject sharia and jihad, publically accept the Right of anyone to laugh at and mock Muhammad & the koran-PUBLICALLY, the Right of anyone to leave the moslem religion at any time for any reason, acknowledge that moslems who commit 'honour' killings are first degree murderers who MUST be put to death and accept immediate deportation for ever backsliding on such conditions and I will show you a 'moslem' it might be safe to allow to reside in America.
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Thanks, Salaam, for bringing up the original post and trying to come back to the point of the thread.
As you well know, we've been down this tired road of Islam and Shariah and Jihad and all the rest of it. Ain't goin' there again, myself, because I've BTDT, but if there's an interest in pursuing it by yourself and others, might I suggest opening another thread on it?
TIA
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...but if there's an interest in pursuing it by yourself and others, might I suggest opening another thread on it?
TIA
Thank you, Eupher.
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Thanks for taking the time to point out some of the finer details that most of us would miss Salaam. Great stuff.
After listening to Cain on the radio for so many years before he threw his hat into the ring this year its hard for me to imagine that he is any sort of fraud. He seems no different now than he has always been.
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Thanks for taking the time to point out some of the finer details that most of us would miss Salaam. Great stuff.
After listening to Cain on the radio for so many years before he threw his hat into the ring this year its hard for me to imagine that he is any sort of fraud. He seems no different now than he has always been.
I haven't heard of him before this election cycle. Maybe it's a rush to judgement on my part. Even at 100% genuine I don't see him winning the nomination. There has to be a candidate that can not only excite the base but have the ability to gain the support of all Americans. You can't win a general election based on how well your party's base likes you.
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I haven't heard of him before this election cycle. Maybe it's a rush to judgement on my part. Even at 100% genuine I don't see him winning the nomination. There has to be a candidate that can not only excite the base but have the ability to gain the support of all Americans. You can't win a general election based on how well your party's base likes you.
When's the last time someone was elected in the general election with the support of all Americans? Let's face it, the Muslim population in this nation isn't exactly the number that's going to sway any election. As for Cain, I have no problem WHATSOEVER with him requiring any Muslim nominated to take an oath of allegiance to the nation. People do it all the time when getting a federal position. I just don't know if I believe most of'em. One of the heads of CAIR is on record as saying he wants to see an Islamic flag flying over the White House and the United States to adopt Shar'ia law. If you support that antiquated bullshit, you shouldn't have a vote as it's incompatible with the US Constitution.
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You've said so yourself all federal employees have to take some sort of oath. Not to mention a damn SSBI! So what's the point in bringing it up? Any federal employee that is Muslim would have already "proven" such allegiance. Cain was pandering plain and simple to a base that gets a hard on for this BS. The sad part is its like the damn poll taxes in the Jim crow era and Cain should know better. The thing I don't get is why is the GOP preparing for electoral suicide? They can't expect to win future elections if the party consists mainly of older white males in the south. Throwing minorities under a bus for one or two election cycles is bound to bite you in the butt once those same communities become the majority in 20 years. Bush carried the Muslim vote in 2000 and had a sizable chunk of the Hispanic vote in 2004. His black vote actually increased 3%-5% from 2000 to 2004. All these so called "scary" people will be the majority or close to it by 2020. What the hell is the Republican party going to do when their tried and true voters are no longer a political threat? The party is bleeding and promoting stupid stuff like loyalty tests for one group of Americans and not others is sinister, dispicable, and un-American.