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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV8HFHkX3PA[/youtube]
Hear what he has to say on carbon and health care.
Huntsman heads to California on fundraising swing (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/44/post/huntsman-heads-to-california-on-fundraising-swing/2011/05/24/AFrodVAH_blog.html)
Jon Huntsman Jr. kicks off a fundraising swing to California today, looking to drum up support for his likely presidential bid. The former Utah governor will meet with donors in San Francisco, Los Angeles and Orange County, as likely opponent Mitt Romney continues to show his fundraising edge — last week, he raised $10 million in a single day.
Though Huntsman has access to a vast family fortune, he has said that, should he run, he will rely on donors rather than his own wealth. Huntsman, who was born in Palo Alto, Calif., has a team of advisers who worked for former California governor Arnold Schwarzennegger.
Huntsman, who spent last week in New Hampshire meeting with party leaders and voters, met yesterday with President George H.W. Bush in Maine at a private lunch. >>>
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Huntsman is latest elite 'moderate' Republican who believes that he can usher in a 'new civility' in Washington with the Democrats. Translation: he would cave on every issue without a fight, being on their side on many issues from the start.
There is very little practical difference except maybe style and skin color between Barack Obama and Jon Huntsman. They are both tools of progressive internationalists.
Watch Jon get much good press from the MSM in the next few months. They will push his "reasonableness". If Huntsman's ingratiating patter shows any evidence of "resonating" in the polls the RNC and DNC will join with the MSM to cinch the sale. The pitch from those organizations has already started.
Jon Huntsman Extols the Virtues of Cap and Trade (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNpkUa8B-RM) (YouTubeVideo)
Jon Huntsman for civil unions without anyone (Utah voters) asking him (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2009/02/2012-and-huntsmans-surprise/602/)
Huntsman, Schwarzenegger ink global warming pact (http://www.deseretnews.com/article/660222636/Huntsman-Schwarzenegger-ink-global-warming-pact.html)
Huntsman also says the border fence "repulses" him. Pardon me but, isnt that the whole idea of a fence - to repulse people?
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Liberals love him. That should tell you everything.
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Erick Erickson pointed out something on RedState. Huntsman was planning this while he was the Ambassador to China--so he was plotting the demise of his boss while working for him. Major, major disloyalty. I don't care who you are, or on whose side you're on--stay on that side. Once a traitor, always a traitor.
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Rush was apparently ripping him a new one, with Huntsman's own recorded soundbites, yesterday. I was previously unfamiliar with him but he sounds like an express train to Loserville.
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The name "Huntsman" in the Salt Lake City valley is a big one. Lots of money, lots of influence, solidly LDS.
I'm still puzzled how this guy could've possibly become governor in a state that is so controlled by the LDS church. He's got liberal RINO written all over him, and this must've been at least somewhat known by the church before they gave the green light for him to waltz into the governor's mansion.
Then again, he's probably a ***** and does exactly what the church wants him to do. Ergo, the support.
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Euph, with the LDS, it's a lot more important that he's bona fide true-blue LDS than whether he goes Left or Right of center.
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Euph, with the LDS, it's a lot more important that he's bona fide true-blue LDS than whether he goes Left or Right of center.
Taking that a step further, it's more important that he take his orders and direction from the president of the LDS church.
You're right that political stance on the issues is secondary.
Musing a la vesta:
Reminds me of a cartoon I read in the SLC non-LDS newspaper (Salt Lake Tribune).
Anyway, in the first panel there's the drawing of the Utah Capitol building, with Governor Mike Leavitt at his desk on the phone. On the other end, there's the LDS prez who, at the time, was Gordon Hinckley.
They were quite cosy, but the underlying tone of the cartoon indicated that the governor was subservient to the LDS prez. He took his orders well.
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A Liberal’s Idea of a Republican (http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/06/17/liberal%E2%80%99s-idea-of-a-republican/)
I’ve written before about how Jon Huntsman seems to be running for the wrong party’s presidential nomination. Today, the New York Times’ Matt Bai takes the opposite tack in a post in the paper’s Caucus political blog in which he argues Huntsman has a reasonable chance to win the Republican presidential nod. Bai is the author of a Times magazine profile of the former Utah governor that he promises will be available online next week. It is apparent Huntsman charmed him, and his staff supplied him with what he claims are Republican sources who believe in Huntsman. Suffice it to say, it is likely the portrait of this liberal-leaning Republican in that liberal publication will be a lot more flattering than one about, say, Michele Bachman.
But let’s examine Bai’s premise, which is Huntsman is set up to appeal to a significant segment of the Republican electorate. In order to do that, Bai sets up a straw man he then proceeds to knock down:
Democrats and some commentators tend to see the Republican Party right now as a kind of wild, barren land where nothing thoughtful ever grows. If you start from the premise the Republican grass-roots is made up mostly of stereotypical birther types with pictures of Sarah Palin on their refrigerators and nothing but Bibles on their bookshelves, then sure, Huntsman’s candidacy would seem to be a little laughable.
The turnout in next year’s presidential primary, on the other hand, will probably reach 60 percent. The influence of the most conservative, most motivated activists will almost certainly be diluted.
Bai’s portrait of conservatives is both insulting and false. It assumes “thoughtful†is synonymous with liberal or middle of the road. >>>
>>> He’s a candidate whose campaign is geared to run against his own party and specifically not against Obama, whom he refuses to attack in his speeches. >>>
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Huntsman: The rino's rino.
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A while back, wasn't the media (who love his liberalism) trumpeting that Huntsman would be the candidate?
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Personally his moderate stance is rather refreshing to me.
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Personally his moderate stance is rather refreshing to me.
Right....and I'm still looking for the book entitled: Great Moderates in American History........
His positions on Cap and Trade, and border security will ensure that he never gets out of single digits in the actual polling........a slicker, more polished version of Ron Paul.........and will get about as far in the primaries.
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Right....and I'm still looking for the book entitled: Great Moderates in American History........
His positions on Cap and Trade, and border security will ensure that he never gets out of single digits in the actual polling........a slicker, more polished version of Ron Paul.........and will get about as far in the primaries.
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Oh, I don't expect him to advance at all. Both mainstream parties will automatically reject anyone who even smells centrist.
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Oh, I don't expect him to advance at all. Both mainstream parties will automatically reject anyone who even smells centrist.
True....however, I guess my point was more philosophical than practical. If history is our teacher, "moderates" never accomplish anything......they are simply caretakers, never taking leadership positions on issues.
America typically only makes great strides under strong partisan leadership. The rest of the time we simply "wallow", as moderates either kick the can (problem) down the road to the next guy, or come up with "compromise" solutions that never actually do anything except mollify their constituencies.
The moderate "constituency" further are the folks that are either totally dosconnected, or want to "sit on the fence until their pants rip" (defined as not making anyone angry). Granted they are there, and must be tolerated, however such a position never garners much respect from either side.
doc.
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Personally his moderate stance is rather refreshing to me.
Illustration #1.
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I'm done with fiscal "moderates". They're spineless cowards with no convictions.
If you just set out to be liked, you would be prepared to compromise on anything at any time, and you would achieve nothing. ---Margaret Thatcher
Compromise is the failing of a fool.
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True....however, I guess my point was more philosophical than practical. If history is our teacher, "moderates" never accomplish anything......they are simply caretakers, never taking leadership positions on issues.
America typically only makes great strides under strong partisan leadership. The rest of the time we simply "wallow", as moderates either kick the can (problem) down the road to the next guy, or come up with "compromise" solutions that never actually do anything except mollify their constituencies.
The moderate "constituency" further are the folks that are either totally dosconnected, or want to "sit on the fence until their pants rip" (defined as not making anyone angry). Granted they are there, and must be tolerated, however such a position never garners much respect from either side.
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Your post reminds me of Jimmy Carter. I will agree that in far too many cases moderates are just marking time. Maybe to elaborate, I would prefer genuine compromise in the House and the Senate. When the sides become too polarized this is nearly impossible. What scares me the most is when one side or the other has a large majority. I would rather see full fledged gridlock.
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There is a time and a place to speak of compromise, generally near that nexus of force, time, and capability which a Clauswitzian would call a campaign's 'Culminating point,' and which a Machiavellian would recognize as the point for a certain necessary pragmatism to move beyond irresolvable impasse on essential issues. The beginning of a party's primary process is not that point.
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There is a time and a place to speak of compromise, generally near that nexus of force, time, and capability which a Clauswitzian would call a campaign's 'Culminating point,' and which a Machiavellian would recognize as the point for a certain necessary pragmatism to move beyond irresolvable impasse on essential issues. The beginning of a party's primary process is not that point.
I agree to a point. When it is just obvious pandering the voters should call them out on that and redirect to the issues. The veterans of office should know better and as voters when it's someone who has never served we should know better. How can someone who has never been there stand and talk about all the mighty change they are going to bring, when in fact, they have no idea as to how things work.
The veterans should know better as they have been there, but in reality it's the American voters who are failing the system. We know things are done by back room deals and trade-offs. We know that elected officials are going to protect their position first and foremost.
We still buy into the sound bites, the catchy phrases and the emotional strings the politicians are so good at playing.
Sadly, we just might have the government we deserve.
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I agree to a point. When it is just obvious pandering the voters should call them out on that and redirect to the issues. The veterans of office should know better and as voters when it's someone who has never served we should know better. How can someone who has never been there stand and talk about all the mighty change they are going to bring, when in fact, they have no idea as to how things work.
The veterans should know better as they have been there, but in reality it's the American voters who are failing the system. We know things are done by back room deals and trade-offs. We know that elected officials are going to protect their position first and foremost.
We still buy into the sound bites, the catchy phrases and the emotional strings the politicians are so good at playing.
Sadly, we just might have the government we deserve.
Re: the bolded above, I interpret that as a slam against Herman Cain, one of the two or three best candidates in the running right now. If Herman makes it to the NC primary, I will be voting for him
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Re: the bolded above, I interpret that as a slam against Herman Cain, one of the two or three best candidates in the running right now. If Herman makes it to the NC primary, I will be voting for him
It wasn't directed at any candidate in particular, but at all in general. The final responsibility still ultimately falls on the voters to see through the rhetoric.
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It wasn't directed at any candidate in particular, but at all in general. The final responsibility still ultimately falls on the voters to see through the rhetoric.
Wrong. The final responsibility rests with the politicians to stop LYING their way into office, voting on laws solely in their own personal best interest, and generally being the lowest form of human life imaginable. That is where the responsibility rests.
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Wrong. The final responsibility rests with the politicians to stop LYING their way into office, voting on laws solely in their own personal best interest, and generally being the lowest form of human life imaginable. That is where the responsibility rests.
Who fell for the lies and pulled the switch in the booth? We could get into a discussion in this case about Less Wrongâ„¢.
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Who fell for the lies and pulled the switch in the booth? We could get into a discussion in this case about Less Wrongâ„¢.
What are our selections for political offices? Crooked or a little less or more crooked.
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What are our selections for political offices? Crooked or a little less or more crooked.
Yes, the King Makers are in charge. Grassroots and local elections are they way to fight back. As it stands now it will take decades, if American Apathy can be defeated, which I doubt.
Power corrupts, as has been proven repeatedly.
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Who fell for the lies and pulled the switch in the booth? We could get into a discussion in this case about Less Wrong™.
You blame the voter because it makes you feel smart. You knew who to vote for but the idiots to your left and right mucked it up - the truth is the historical nature of political corruption is sickening and there should be a system in place to exercise control over the excesses of "public servants".
America is doomed because the system is unchangeable. Democrats will and have elected felons and dead people just because there is a "D" in the box. We are the poorest "rich" country in history not a single person running currently (except possibly Cain) can change that. There will be another "civil" war in the United States within the next 15 years.
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You blame the voter because it makes you feel smart. You knew who to vote for but the idiots to your left and right mucked it up - the truth is the historical nature of political corruption is sickening and there should be a system in place to exercise control over the excesses of "public servants".
America is doomed because the system is unchangeable. Democrats will and have elected felons and dead people just because there is a "D" in the box. We are the poorest "rich" country in history not a single person running currently (except possibly Cain) can change that. There will be another "civil" war in the United States within the next 15 years.
I did not exclude myself. I feel like a complete fool for falling for Obamas line of BS.
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I did not exclude myself. I feel like a complete fool for falling for Obamas line of BS.
But who promoted the BS? The very same people that are tasked with overseeing the government - NBC, CBS, CNN; all supposedly objective fact-finders. BHO should have never made the national stage, and would not have if the media had spent .01% of the energy the spent on Palin into honestly looking at Obama.
We here knew the unmitigated disaster that BHO was going to be, yet America elected someone that was indoctrinated to HATE this country, to HATE the Constitution, to HATE Capitalism - while eagerly pocketing the spoils of his position. We will be Greece in 10 years. Or worse.
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But who promoted the BS? The very same people that are tasked with overseeing the government - NBC, CBS, CNN; all supposedly objective fact-finders. BHO should have never made the national stage, and would not have if the media had spent .01% of the energy the spent on Palin into honestly looking at Obama.
We here knew the unmitigated disaster that BHO was going to be, yet America elected someone that was indoctrinated to HATE this country, to HATE the Constitution, to HATE Capitalism - while eagerly pocketing the spoils of his position. We will be Greece in 10 years. Or worse.
Well, we've been headed that direction for decades. The Constitution is in tatters and getting trampled every day, but that is decades old as well. Our infrastructure is rotten, domestic spending has been slashed and we still spent trillions looking for a 6'4" Arab connected to a kidney machine, and a great deal of that money in the wrong country.
Any person who reaches the national stage has been approved by the king makers or they wouldn't be there. I hate conspiracy theories but there is indeed a small powerful shadow government at work, and our interests are not their priority.
The President is a puppet and that is the thing that I forgot. Congress is bought and paid for in full. Corruption is the word of the day.
This year I will avoid any emotional input at all.
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And back to the OP not only NO, but HELL FU(K NO to Huntsman. And Romney, and Newt (who should just drop out now).
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Your post reminds me of Jimmy Carter. I will agree that in far too many cases moderates are just marking time. Maybe to elaborate, I would prefer genuine compromise in the House and the Senate. When the sides become too polarized this is nearly impossible. What scares me the most is when one side or the other has a large majority. I would rather see full fledged gridlock.
Translation: "No. Am not troll. am friend. Trust in me..HmmmMMMmmm"
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Who fell for the lies and pulled the switch in the booth? We could get into a discussion in this case about Less Wrongâ„¢.
I can think of at least 60 million Obama voters that fell for the bullshit.
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Jon Huntsman (Authentic Conservative) Signatory to 2008 “Global Climate Solutions Declarationâ€
Verum Serum Magna Est Veritas Et Praevalabit (http://www.verumserum.com/?p=26023)
Pretty impressive launch today by the Huntsman campaign, regardless of whether anyone is paying much attention. But I’ve got to ask: would any “authentic conservative†have signed off on a document like this (PDF) in November 2008:
Based on conclusive scientific evidence, we recognize that global climate change is a grave threat to our people, our environment, and our respective ways of life. Therefore, we resolve to act quickly to stabilize the atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases to avoid the resulting catastrophic impacts to the world’s ecosystems, oceans, water supplies, infrastructure, food production, and human health. The magnitude and urgency of the challenges in stabilizing the climate will require an unprecedented level of collaboration and cooperation among all levels of government around the world.
We also recognize that the transition to a low carbon society will invigorate and strengthen global, national and regional economies by enhancing energy security, increasing energy efficiency, and creating new jobs and industries that stimulate diverse, de-centralized and sustainable economic activity.
We further recognize that states and provinces from around the world, including the undersigned, have embarked on journey to pursue innovative actions and policies to address climate change. This declaration is another step that strengthens and advances our shared vision for long-term cooperative action. We seek to create a low carbon society and enhance energy security by providing ongoing support to our national governments as they combat climate change.
Regardless of your views on climate change, all you need to know about Huntsman’s political judgement with regards to this issue is represented by the list of other governors who signed off on this. You might recognize a few of the Democrats: Kathleen Sebelius (KS), Deval Patrick (MA), Rod Blagojevich (IL), Jennifer Granholm (MI), David Paterson (NY), Ted Kulongoski (OR), Christine Gregoire (WA), Jim Doyle (WI), and Martin O’Malley (MD). >>>
Invigorated economic growth AND the mitigation of a “grave threat†to the human race? Sounds like a win-win to me, or at least it would if I believed any of this stuff.
But then maybe I’m not an authentic conservative.
Yes, let’s all vote for this RINO, who the MSMedia and Harry Reid endorses. After all, who cant support stealth candidates and stealth policy agendas?
John Huntsman is a "Reagan" conservative?? -- He's a chameleon. He's not to be trusted.
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He's also the one supported by the LSM. Gee. Sounds like a great guy, huh? :mental:
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I don't know if it's been pointed out, but Reid supports Huntsman. Then again, Huntsman's family donated over $25K to Reid's re-election campaign.
But he's "conservative". Ya, right.
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Huntsman is a Salt Lake City conservative.
Meaning, of course, he's just to the left of Nancy Pelousy.
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I haven't chimed into this one yet, but what I'll say is this: It seems that Jon Huntsman's inspriation for his policies is Willy Loman . . .
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DNC Shows Love For Jon Huntsman (http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/08/dnc-shows-love-for-jon-huntsman.html)
The DNC sent out an email this afternoon highlighting Jon Huntsman's negative comments about his fellow GOP candidates from his interview with ABC News’ Jake Tapper on "This Week." The email is entitled "Don't take our word for it" and seems to take a swipe at Huntsman's ties to President Obama as well as the belief that he is too liberal to be the Republican nominee. >>>
Huntsman Said The Rest Of The GOP Field Had “Zero Substance†And Were “Too Far To The Right.†Huntsman on ABC’s This Week: “We have people on the Republican side too far to the right. We have zero substance. We have no good ideas that are being circulated or talking about that allow the country to get back on its feet economically so we begin creating jobs.†[ABC News – This Week, 8/21/11] >>>
Huntsman: “Call Me Crazy†But “I Believe In Evolution And Trust Scientists On Global Warming†Unlike Governor Perry. “Jon M. Huntsman Jr. is eager to stand out. >>> ‘To be clear. I believe in evolution and trust scientists on global warming. Call me crazy.’ The message was a direct shot at his newest rival, Gov. Rick Perry of Texas, who said this week that climate change was ‘a scientific theory that has not been proved’ and called evolution ‘just a theory.’†[NY Times, 8/18/11]
Huntsman is a democrat plant. Pure and simple.
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DNC Shows Love For Jon Huntsman (http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/08/dnc-shows-love-for-jon-huntsman.html)
Huntsman is a democrat plant. Pure and simple.
Certainly looking that way. I can't believe anyone is taking him seriously at this point (Though of course the voters don't seem to be, judging by the polling; the only traction he's getting is with the press pukes and Dem provocateurs).
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He should just make official and transfer to the Dim party.
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Certainly looking that way. I can't believe anyone is taking him seriously at this point (Though of course the voters don't seem to be, judging by the polling; the only traction he's getting is with the press pukes and Dem provocateurs).
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