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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: GOBUCKS on May 22, 2011, 11:41:16 PM
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DUmmy Stimpy, squatting over the cat box, gets all philosophical, starting a thread that attracts several of the most despicable DUmpmonkeys:
Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Sun May-22-11 11:07 PM
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What are your thoughts regarding assisted suicide for those who are suffering?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1156061
Why should they required to be suffering? DUmpmonkeys applaud the killing of innocent infants, who aren't suffering at all, until the abortionist begins their dismemberment. You gotta be consistent, DUmmies.
Horse with no Brain has claimed to be a $24K per year nurse. She's all for killing:
Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Sun May-22-11 11:08 PM
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1. We do it for our pets who are suffering
and if someone is terminal and in pain, I do not see why we cannot ease them out in a dignified way.
If the pet is a goldfish, we ease it out in a dignified way by flushing the toilet. In the democrat world, there's no such thing as a human soul, no God, no such thing as a commandment against murder, no moral code. It's all shades of gray. So why not kill for convenience?
It's kind of spooky for this thread to follow on the heels of the one where DUmp women were wishing their husbands would die.
CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Sun May-22-11 11:09 PM
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2. I am all for it. We treat our animals (pets) better than ourselves.
I think it's reprehensible that dying people have to suffer because we aren't allowed to help them.
Dr. Kervorkian had the right idea.
It's a good think the paramedics arrived quickly, shiny trucks gleaming, blink, blink, blink, blink. Otherwise Mr. CalPig might have received some intravenous Draino.
I have always felt that DUmmy Warpy is more evil and hateful than even proud2bDUmb Anne Pritchett:
Warpy (1000+ posts) Sun May-22-11 11:09 PM
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3. My mother had the means within reach for her last 2 years
and I know it gave her tremendous peace of mind.
And the vile DUmmy Warpy most likely reminded the old lady every day.
Ian David (1000+ posts) Sun May-22-11 11:10 PM
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4. I've seen the medical theater dance of waiting until just the right time to ease one's passing...
... so that it's just barely enough.
I don't want that for me.
I don't want my last day to be spent pleading for death.
When it's my time, I want to be able to say my goodbyes and then turn out the lights.
sharesunited (1000+ posts) Sun May-22-11 11:13 PM
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7. Any kind of ligature and sturdy point of suspension are the friends of the suffering.
A bio feedback phenomenon called carotid reflex can dispatch anyone very promptly.
When return brain bloodflow is impaired due to a makeshift noose, the heart will go into arrest to keep from pumping more blood to the brain.
30 seconds to unconsciousness and death within 5 minutes.
DUmmy sharesunited is available to garotte your loved one. Just shoot him a PM.
grasswire (1000+ posts) Sun May-22-11 11:41 PM
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12. I live in Oregon. It's legal here.
Honestly, though, I think if I knew I was terminal and close I would choose to make a statement in the classical way. Self-immolation on the steps of Eric Holder's office or something like that. Might as well send a message.
Wait a minute! Wait a minute! DUmmy grasswire has been freeloading in a former friend's bonus room up in Wisconsin for nearly three years, though he's in the process of evicting her. She's even claimed to put up travelling deadbeat DUmmies coming to deface the Wisconsin statehouse. Now, suddenly, she's claiming to live in Oregon?
I think the humiliation of the pie shop fiasco, and the bonus room eviction, has motivated DUmmy grasswire to invent a new character who lives in Oregon. DUmmy grasswire, most probably, still lives comfortably at the expense of the taxpayers of Wisconsin, though her charity digs over the former friend's garage may be in peril.
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I have to be honest, if I ever reached a certain point I'd like to have the option available to me. Regardless of morals and beliefs I don't want be told I'm not aloud to die a certain way.
I've seen family members go though very, very nasty things and I never want to have to die in the way I saw it happen to them. Maybe I'm selfish but I expect some will understand.
In the end I have to support assisted suicide.
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The DUmmies make it sound so noble, to end suffering. In practice it would be hellish. In DUmmieland, anyone over 65 checking into a hospital would get an injection, go into a coma and die 3 days later.
Legalized medical murder.
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I have to be honest, if I ever reached a certain point I'd like to have the option available to me. Regardless of morals and beliefs I don't want be told I'm not aloud to die a certain way.
I've seen family members go though very, very nasty things and I never want to have to die in the way I saw it happen to them. Maybe I'm selfish but I expect some will understand.
In the end I have to support assisted suicide.
Why assisted? Remove some of the guilt?
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I have to be honest, if I ever reached a certain point I'd like to have the option available to me. Regardless of morals and beliefs I don't want be told I'm not aloud to die a certain way.
I've seen family members go though very, very nasty things and I never want to have to die in the way I saw it happen to them. Maybe I'm selfish but I expect some will understand.
In the end I have to support assisted suicide.
I watched my mother die of cancer over 12 months - the last 6 of which I consider nothing else but torture.
Before she lost all lucidity in that last 6 months, knowing full well that the cancer was terminal at that point - she begged and pleaded to be spared that pain, indignity and suffering of the final days and months - to be able to say farewell to loved ones and to be remembered as something other than a shell of a human filled with pain.
So yeah. I support "assisted" suicide. Hell - I'd go even further and say that life belongs to the individual and should they choose under their own free will in an educated decision to end it - it is their individual right to do so when they see fit.
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Liberals are in perpetual pain with no hope of recovery...just read DU.
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Why assisted? Remove some of the guilt?
There are legal issues.
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If anyone remembers Nancy Cruzan (http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/righttodie.htm), she was a great-niece of mine. After years of harassment by special groups and public condemnation in the MSM, her father Joe, committed suicide.
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I support assisted suicide, and I would want it for myself. Prolonged physical pain is not a normal condition of life. Not only does the victim suffer, but it is inflicted on family members as well. The emotional and financial costs can be staggering.
Both my wife and I have living wills specifying that no extraordinary efforts be made to prolong life.
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The DUmmies could raise their standard of living (more government freebies) if you old farts would just kick off (die damn you die already).
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Don't worry DUmmies, assisted suicide is all part of Obamacare. When grandma falls and breaks her hip, DR Obama will be kind enough to string her out on pain meds, and save the quality care for some 25 year old medicaid patient. We are heading towards some realistic version of Logan's run when at a certain age you are worthless to society and must be removed so you don't burden the young people.
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If the pet is a goldfish, we ease it out in a dignified way by flushing the toilet. In the democrat world, there's no such thing as a human soul, no God, no such thing as a commandment against murder, no moral code. It's all shades of gray. So why not kill for convenience?
Well, you nailed the ultimate utilitarian endpoint of all their antireligious/antimorality arguments. Given their unfettered head, the DUmmies would put the Nazi eugenics and euthanasia of 'Defectives' programs in the dust. This is the single scariest thing about these creeps.
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My concern about making it legal and easily accessible, is the possibility of people being pressuring, subtly or not subtly to make that 'choice'. People could make the choice, not because they want to, but because other people make them feel like a burden.
I'm all for pain management. I have heard of cases where the pain is managed with however much pain medication it takes. I have heard of doctors continuing to up the dosage beyond what would be considered fatal. The goal of the medication is to ease the pain, not to kill, but it may speed up the process.
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My wife's great-aunt and great-uncle are both up there. He's 93, IIRC (and fought in WWII in Europe); she's turning 90 in a few weeks. Yet, if you saw them, you'd say that they were 75, tops, both with the energy level of someone on the short side of 70. They just flew back up north this last week, to their "summer home" about an hour from us. Already, the great aunt has told me that she's going to plan a big picnic for the 4th of July, the traditional day for us to visit them. Yeah, stuff like that takes a lot out of them physically, but they keep on doing it.
I would vigorously (maybe even violently) resist any attempts for some pencil-pusher to tell them that they "had" to die. :hammer:
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(http://www.wesleyjsmith.com/blog/uploaded_images/Soylent1-799289.jpg)
This is the future that DUmp Monkiez wish for.
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I dunno, Dutch. That flick depicted a voluntary way of easing people out when they'd had enough, I see a DUmmie-created world being a lot more industrial about it, more like the impersonally-bureaucratic and nonchalantly-ruthless world of Brazil.
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I watched my mother die of cancer over 12 months - the last 6 of which I consider nothing else but torture.
Before she lost all lucidity in that last 6 months, knowing full well that the cancer was terminal at that point - she begged and pleaded to be spared that pain, indignity and suffering of the final days and months - to be able to say farewell to loved ones and to be remembered as something other than a shell of a human filled with pain.
So yeah. I support "assisted" suicide. Hell - I'd go even further and say that life belongs to the individual and should they choose under their own free will in an educated decision to end it - it is their individual right to do so when they see fit.
I couldn't agree with you more LC. BTDT with my Dad myself.
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Sun May-22-11 11:08 PM
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1. We do it for our pets who are suffering
and if someone is terminal and in pain, I do not see why we cannot ease them out in a dignified way.
That's the one word that makes me wonder.
Who, exactly is "we"?
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I think a person should be able to choose how they go. I don't think a doctor should choose or a relative or a friend. That person should say, "Hey I am done here, send me off!" and it should be done without question.
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My concern about making it legal and easily accessible, is the possibility of people being pressuring, subtly or not subtly to make that 'choice'. People could make the choice, not because they want to, but because other people make them feel like a burden.
I'm all for pain management. I have heard of cases where the pain is managed with however much pain medication it takes. I have heard of doctors continuing to up the dosage beyond what would be considered fatal. The goal of the medication is to ease the pain, not to kill, but it may speed up the process.
The process here in Oregon is quite extensive, including interviews with the patient and doctors. Often the family have more problems with it than the patient. I'm torn about the issue myself because I've watched a couple friends die of AIDS and it's an ugly way to die, but for me it's one of those issues that should be a private family matter. It hasn't been abused here. And I wish the federal government would stay the hell out of our backyard about this. Personally, I voted against it on moral grounds and it offends my personal values but it passed, it's law and it affects only adults making adult decisions.
Cindie
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I'm with the crew that thinks being able to freely choose is generally a good idea philosophically, but that there are huge practical problems with making sure it is really the person's own free and voluntary choice.
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I think my life should be in my own hands. As long as there are no other people hurt in the act, you should have control.
I am sure that the DUmmys are all for forced life retirement if it would keep their goodies from the government flowing and growing.
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I think my life should be in my own hands. As long as there are no other people hurt in the act, you should have control.
I am sure that the DUmmys are all for forced life retirement if it would keep their goodies from the government flowing and growing.
They'd kill their own parents if it meant a bigger inheritance for themselves.
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I'm with the crew that thinks being able to freely choose is generally a good idea philosophically, but that there are huge practical problems with making sure it is really the person's own free and voluntary choice.
Bingo. That says it all. I'm all for freedom of choice in the matter, BUT...When liberals get ahold of it they will forge permission, and generally kill as many as they can.
I really do not trust anything like this when Obamacare is still the law, and the govt makes the decisions.
PS, hi5 to Tanker for saying it better than I can.