Thursday, May 19, 2011
Obama - Israel must withdraw to 1967 borders with land swaps
Israel's pre-1967 borders had no geographical or military logic. Those borders simply were the armistice lines after the Arabs failed to drive the Jews into the sea.
The border is not defensible, as it leaves the middle of Israel only about 10 miles wide. One of the reasons the 1967 war took place is that Israel could not wait to be attacked, it had to act preemptively. These borders also left Jerusalem divided, with the old Jewish Quarter in Jordanian hands.
Yet these are the borders, with some minor land swaps, to which Obama wants Israel to withdraw, according to Obama's Middle East speech today (emphasis mine):
"So while the core issues of the conflict must be negotiated, the basis of those negotiations is clear: a viable Palestine, and a secure Israel. The United States believes that negotiations should result in two states, with permanent Palestinian borders with Israel, Jordan, and Egypt, and permanent Israeli borders with Palestine. The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states. The Palestinian people must have the right to govern themselves, and reach their potential, in a sovereign and contiguous state.
As for security, every state has the right to self-defense, and Israel must be able to defend itself – by itself – against any threat. Provisions must also be robust enough to prevent a resurgence of terrorism; to stop the infiltration of weapons; and to provide effective border security. The full and phased withdrawal of Israeli military forces should be coordinated with the assumption of Palestinian security responsibility in a sovereign, non-militarized state. The duration of this transition period must be agreed, and the effectiveness of security arrangements must be demonstrated."
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****ing idiot.
Give him a week and he'll be claiming it was a typo; he really meant to say 1947 borders.
For the Snark/History-challenged: Israel was founded in '48
Israel's response to Teh Obamessiah's commandment in 3... 2... :bigbird:
Naw; I didn't think so, either.
****ing idiot.
Obama is supposed to meet with the Israeli Prime Minister tomorrow.........if Bebe doesn't cancel outright, I'd love to be a "fly on the wall" during THAT meeting.......I have to wonder how Obama will insult him this time.
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Update: I’m not sure how the AP came up with this:QuotePresident Barack Obama is endorsing the Palestinians’ demand for their future state to be based on the borders that existed before the 1967 Middle East war, in a move that will likely infuriate Israel. Israel says the borders of a Palestinian state have to be determined through negotiations.
Er … no, he didn’t. He said that the settlement should “be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps.†That’s been the US position for quite a while.
Who the hell does he think he is to demand anything from another country? :hammer: :fuelfire:
He wants them painted into a corner. Period.
I ain't sayin' he don't.
I have to wonder how Obama will insult him this time.He'd offer him a BLT for lunch.
Shouldn't have given the Sinai back to Egypt...
This is going over like a shit balloon in the Israeli papers I read. The Won really ****ed the dog this time.
Having read the transcripts the president didn't say how exactly when pre-1967 Israel should go.
Maybe he meant this:
(http://www.religionstudy.com/maps/images/tribal_land_israel_052.jpg)
I think that's do-able. Israel should make immediate plans to affect the implementation.
But they should make sure they give Obama all the credit.
Well, if that kind of thinking ever took hold, I guess most of us would be headed back to the British Isles, Lower Saxony, or points east. Good deal for the Cherokee, the Iroquois Federation, and the Algonquan League, though.
Borders aren't decided by who is right, only who is left.
Given the Jewish Israeli birthrate, that may not turn out the way you wish to see it in the long run.
Israeli Parliament: Obama is the new Arafat
The "Made in the USA" President proved today, yet again, how carefully he listened and committed to the Islamic Jew-hatred taught to him in his quranic classes while growing up Muslim in Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world. His call to return to the '67 borders, a return to Auschwitz borders, is a call to jihad. It will incite and inflame the Muslim street.
Obama's foreign policy mimics that of the suicide bomber.
The idea that Israel (surrounded by numerous enormous Muslim lands) must take the gas pipe, be reduced to tiny size by this tiny man, while the Muslims have given nothing, negotiated nothing, but instead, waged war and consolidated power between Fatah and Hamas (whose charter calls for the annihilation of Israel) is Obama's final solution.
I pray Netanyahu tells him to kish meir en tuchas.
w4rma (1000+ posts) Thu May-19-11 07:23 PM
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17. These specific ones are neo-cons, anyway. I say ignore them until they aren't neo-cons. (nt)
(http://dinahlord.typepad.com/.a/6a00e008d9a3f98834014e888e0b96970d-pi)
Is that a bust of Obama to the left of Bibi? If so, is it common for Presidents to do that?
You know, one thing you never hear mentioned about the 1967 war is the wide spread slaughter of men, women and children by the Muslims as they crossed over the border and entered Israel in '67.
Since the '67 War started with an Israeli surprise attack (Which they had good reason to launch), and they pretty much kept the initiative the entire time, I'm curious about exactly which of the three fronts you're talking about on this.
****ing Judean People's Front. We are the People's Front of Judea!
Some prominent Jewish Americans are rethinking their support for President Barack Obama's 2012 re-election bid after he effectively called on Israel to give back territory it has occupied since 1967 to Palestinians.Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/21/us-usa-campaign-mideast-idUSTRE74K2PX20110521?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true)
The backlash after Obama's keynote speech on the Middle East has Democratic Party operatives scrambling to mollify the Jewish community as the president prepares to seek a second term in the White House.
Sorry for chiming in here after it went three pages.
Just a thought without having read every single post in this party.
This comes to mind; American Jews as a voting block have always lined up solidly behind the Democrats. America has always been solidly behind Israel since its birth, and played no small role in that birth.
Now along comes "I am NOT a Muslim" Soetoro and he kicks the Jews right in the nuts and pretty much stomps on the whole sand castle at a time when the surrounding perils facing Israel are at a fever pitch.
Where do you suppose the American Jewish vote might go in '12 in light of this?
****ing Judean People's Front. We are the People's Front of Judea!
Where do you suppose the American Jewish vote might go in '12 in light of this?
Looks like you're not the only one that's considered that.QuoteSome prominent Jewish Americans are rethinking their support for President Barack Obama's 2012 re-election bid after he effectively called on Israel to give back territory it has occupied since 1967 to Palestinians.
The backlash after Obama's keynote speech on the Middle East has Democratic Party operatives scrambling to mollify the Jewish community as the president prepares to seek a second term in the White House.
Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/21/us-usa-campaign-mideast-idUSTRE74K2PX20110521?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true)
Obama is getting spanked. Congress is giving Bibi multiple standing ovations; especially on matters of security.