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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dandi on May 17, 2011, 09:30:13 PM
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No one asks the obvious question here - Will Bobo take advantage of this new and wonderous "housing" herself? Or does she prefer the role of martyr, forever tooling her house along the mean streets and boulevards of this land and remaining symbolically homeless on behalf of all the winos and meth heads across the USA?
Personally, I think she lives in a nice brick-and-stucco ranch in a suburb on the outskirts of Denver, and all the rest is just an affectation. But whatever.
bobbolink (1000+ posts) Mon May-16-11 03:22 PM
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Denver's New "Green" Lofts For Homeless People
For all of you talking about taking over old abandoned buildings, and empty homes, this is important to think about, including that is used both public and private funds:
Making Denver's East Colfax Avenue better (but not too much better)
The street's best new designs bring hope, but respect the urban realities
By Ray Mark Rinaldi
The Denver Post
Posted: 01/28/2011 03:28:16 PM MSTUpdated: 01/31/2011 01:50:25 PM MST
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At Pearl Street, rethinking the affordable. The latest Colorado Coalition for the Homeless project aims to change lives while fitting in. The $17 million building uses the latest green technology.
Lofts for the homeless? Yes, and plenty of windows to let in the light, picturesque views of the cathedral next door, brightly painted hallways, 10-foot ceilings, a shared computer lab and on-site counselors. The roof is covered with energy-converting solar tubes, and hyper-efficient elevators, and mechanical systems keep utility bills low for residents who need that the most.
Floor-to-ceiling windows in the hallways frame views of the Basilica of the Immaculate Conception nearby.
The goal is to integrate homeless people into the community and for the building itself to provide a "revitalizing uplift" to the neighborhood, coalition president John Parvensky said. While half of the units will be reserved for coalition clients, the rest will lease to folks who make $35,000 or less a year. Rents will range from $250 to $600 a month
Designed by Humphries Poli Architects, the building links to the sidewalk through five storefronts where retail tenants get a rent discount if they offer jobs or training to residents. Due first: an outlet of the trendy, earth-friendly Pizza Fusion chain.
Design-wise, the building tries to accomplish a lot. On three sides it is a modern loft development, with exterior sections of stucco, corrugated metal and composite siding — an uncomplicated box that adds a touch of this era to a street that has developed in various styles over a century.
Rooftop photovoltaic tubes will generate electricity for the building. The lofts were constructed to current green standards with energy-efficient elevators and appliances.
More at the link, including the new LGBT Center next door
http://www.denverpost.com/entertainment/ci_17221050
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1113198
So outside of the "green" technology, what makes this different from any other low-to-no-income housing project we see in other cities, and what's to keep it from becoming the same ill-kept, run-down, drug-and-crime-infested-shithole most of them become?
CTyankee (1000+ posts) Mon May-16-11 03:27 PM
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1. Unbelievable! Something progressive and humane for the poor!
Treating people like human beings!
What a concept!
Subsidized housing! How come no one thought of that before?
bobbolink (1000+ posts) Mon May-16-11 03:37 PM
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It can be DONE, in hard times, when people think BIG, and are determined.
I hope this lights a few fires around here!
NO to tents.. YES to HOUSING!
When will you be moving in, Bobo?
maryf (1000+ posts) Mon May-16-11 09:25 PM
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61. Needs for all first!
housing, health care, food, water, warmth...recreation even?
Don't forget clothes, appliances, transportation, TV, and internet service. Oh, and sex, too. That's a need. Taxpayer-funded prostitutes for the poor. None of those ugly ones, either. The poor deserve to get laid with goodlooking partners just as much as anyone. :bouncy:
bobbolink (1000+ posts) Mon May-16-11 10:35 PM
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62. "housing should be a human right along with health care. " This is our task now. It MUST be.
While I understand why people are saying it, continuing to repeat that homeless people should be in the empty houses really isn't an answer. As a matter of fact, it puts us further behind.
Those homes, abandoned or not, have OWNERS, and trying to change that will waste money time and effort.
On the other hand, working to build nice buildings like this will be a BENEFIT. These apartments will now remain low-income, and this can be done in every locale if progressives care enough to make it a priority.
That's right, the poor don't want that used shit. Set them up in something new or forget it. I'll bet every dollar spent on free housing will bring a $1.81 back into the community, too.
Are you moving in there, Bobo?
ceile (1000+ posts) Mon May-16-11 03:34 PM
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5. Incredible!
Wonderful concept- living, jobs and counseling all in one place.
Uh-oh. You said a bad word.
bobbolink (1000+ posts) Mon May-16-11 05:22 PM
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41. For most, the counseling won't be necessary. I hope they aren't hounded.
It is downtown, so there are jobs in that area. It was a good way to spark up an old neighborhood, and create low-income housing and please environmentalists, all at one time!
Are you moving in there, Bobo?
eridani (1000+ posts) Mon May-16-11 09:10 PM
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56. Agreed. Seems to me that it's more likely that homeless people with mental problems--
--have those problems BECAUSE homelessness can drive people crazy. Fix the homelessness, and sanity returns. Those who have mental health issues that cause homelessness are a minority, I suspect.
You said a bad word, too.
bobbolink (1000+ posts) Mon May-16-11 09:13 PM
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57. "mental health issues that cause homelessness are a minority, I suspect." NONE of it CAUSES
homelessness. THere are plenty of seriously mentally ill people who are NOT homeless.... the difference is MONEY.
As for the other side.... yes, you are right.. it is a minority.
Sixteen percent. 16%.
Yet, people want to keep equating homelessness with mental illness. Everytime Thom Hartmann does that, I want to throw something at the radio! Get. Educated. Thom!
Bullshit. If you're so dysfunctional from untreated mental illness that you can't hold down a job and have no other income then that is definitely homelessness caused by mental illness. I'll bet Bobo The DUmbass doesn't even realize that, by being in such vehement denial, she's perpetuating the same stigma attached to mental illness that people have worked for decades to erase.
Are you moving in there, Bobo?
leftstreet (1000+ posts) Mon May-16-11 04:00 PM
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18. "on-site counselors" is that subsidized? private for profit?
Do you know?
bobbolink (1000+ posts) Mon May-16-11 04:02 PM
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19. THAT is the part I don't like. It bolsters the idea that homeless people are "Flawed" and need to
be fixed.
MYTH. And one that hurts.
According to the article, it is a mixture.
Here's a newsflash, sweetie: Everyone is flawed because we are human beings. The differences are merely matters of degree, and some people are indeed homeless because of their personal flaws. Heaven forbid they should admit that and get some help for it, though.
Oh BTW, are you moving in there, Bobo?
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You could enshrine her Buick on a golden pedestal in the center of a magnificent full-service manor and she would still hate it. Forget her.
Although her smack-down in the last CC call-out thread was hilarious.
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She'll do nothing to improve her station. It's gives her the morality cudgel to beat the rest of them down. Her "misery" is her one over-arching joy.
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Oh yipee skipee. East Colfax will now have non-homeless homeless people. Yay. I'll change my itinerary and drop by. Sheesh.
I don't buy the whole bobo "i'm homeless" schtick either. Her objection to mental health treatment is rather convincing, though.
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She'll do nothing to improve her station. It's gives her the morality cudgel to beat the rest of them down. Her "misery" is her one over-arching joy.
10 bucks says she lives in a nice pad in Superior.
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It won't take long after the winos and gangbangers move it until it's Denver's answer to Cabrini Green.
Those solar doodads on the roof will probably have lots of $4 a pound copper.
And then a wino will pass out while smoking and that'll be the end of the place.
These people didn't become smelly vagrants because of the housing situation.
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I read it earlier in the evening and wondered why no one bothered to ask her.
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It won't take long after the winos and gangbangers move it until it's Denver's answer to Cabrini Green.
Those solar doodads on the roof will probably have lots of $4 a pound copper.
And then a wino will pass out while smoking and that'll be the end of the place.
These people didn't become smelly vagrants because of the housing situation.
Spot ON!
My solution for the homeless involves mobile homes and trailer, the desert, a perimeter fence, and government cheese, rice, and beans. I'm sure it will work at about $2/day-hobo when amortized over 15 years.
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It won't take long after the winos and gangbangers move it until it's Denver's answer to Cabrini Green.
Those solar doodads on the roof will probably have lots of $4 a pound copper.
And then a wino will pass out while smoking and that'll be the end of the place.
These people didn't become smelly vagrants because of the housing situation.
You're assuming of course that the winos, meth heads and other assorted vagrants remember to keep their head down long enough for all the rest of that to happen. Colfax Ave. and Pearl St. isn't exactly downtown Beirut, but then, neither is Detroit.
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bobo will never move into one of those places. She gave herself away when she said that area is where the jobs are. Why would she want to go there?
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bobo will never move into one of those places. She gave herself away when she said that area is where the jobs are. Why would she want to go there?
There are only 3 job types in that area presently: "sex workers" (crack whores), recreational pharmaceuticals distributors (drug dealers), and "local customs enforcement officers" (gang bangers). The only jobs I might foresee moving INTO that area might "community organizer", IF ACORN decides to put an office there.
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What is the total number of homeless people who will be able to live there? Will they have rules they will have to follow to live there? If they do then it won't work. If they could/would follow the rules of society they wouldn't be homeless.
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If they could/would follow the rules of society they wouldn't be homeless.
It's as simple as that.
The county jail isn't anything but a hotel to them. They do not care. I checked on someone I used to know when I lived near NCSU.
Tant has been picked up 210 times and spent more than 2,000 nights in jail at a taxpayer cost of $93,000.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/116764/
I don't spend that much in rent... nowhere close to it. I can buy a condo for that kind of money.
When the Democrats were in charge of the city council, they tried to fund some homeless hi-rise here. Thank God someone put an end to that shit. Thanks for nothing, Howard Gentry. I can't stand Diane Neighbors, but thank God that piece of shit Gentry is out of our city politics.
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10 bucks says she lives in a nice pad in Superior.
I have not followed for long what the CC people have found out about the primitives. But, I do have mental images of what certain primitives look like. To me, Bobbo is either living in the burbs as you suspect, and is an undiagnosed Aspberger (sp) patient who cringes at seeing soap and a loofa, or truly is living in a car, and was featured on "True Life" on MTV before checking out of society (because Capitalism made her).
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Crap, long lead-in.
Short answer.
No.
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10 bucks says she lives in a nice pad in Superior.
Longmont.
She does have values.
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Oh yipee skipee. East Colfax will now have non-homeless homeless people. Yay. I'll change my itinerary and drop by. Sheesh.
I don't buy the whole bobo "i'm homeless" schtick either. Her objection to mental health treatment is rather convincing, though.
I was always worried about my mom when she lived not too far from there. Total shit neighborhood.
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Mon May-16-11 10:35 PM
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62. "housing should be a human right along with health care.
I'm so f'n sick of this entitlement mentality bullshit. Housing should be a human right? So you have a right to force someone to build your home for free? Have a right to force someone to furnish it? Have a right to someone's earnings, earnings that will be used to pay the utilities?
You do have a right. You have a right to get off your worthless ass, get a job, and provide housing for your damn self. Idiots like you should become victims of Darwinism. You contribute NOTHING to society.
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I hear Extreme Home Makeover is going to cut BoBo's BUICK in half, stretch it into a limo and put in a sunroof.
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I hear Extreme Home Makeover is going to cut BoBo's BUICK in half, stretch it into a limo and put in a sunroof.
No jacuzzi?
Wait, wait, wait. In which direction are they cutting it in half?
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No jacuzzi?
Wait, wait, wait. In which direction are they cutting it in half?
Well, there was going to be a jacuzzi but the plans were changed to a goldfish pond....and then BoBo stocked it with carp.
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Well, there was going to be a jacuzzi but the plans were changed to a goldfish pond....and then BoBo stocked it with carp.
That's "koi." It's in the script, remember? :tongue: :fuelfire:
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:lmao: :lmao: dandi...I never watched your little sigline animation all the way through till now..... :lmao:
I can't stop laughing! He throws chum in his face.... :rotf: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
anyway,
Who likes the thought of a solar powered elevator? 12 winos stuck on board a stranded car? What could go wrong?
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Mon May-16-11 05:22 PM
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41. For most, the counseling won't be necessary. I hope they aren't hounded.
It is downtown, so there are jobs in that area. It was a good way to spark up an old neighborhood, and create low-income housing and please environmentalists, all at one time!
When in the HELL have housing projects EVER sparked up ANY area? Face it, you bums won't own it, and using history, won't f'n take care of it. It'll be a drug-infested, crime-ridden hellhole in NO time. You leeches don't take pride for anything and NO area where there are a ton of jobs is going to openly allow a bunch of projects for bums anywhere NEAR their places of business without some form of protest. Normal people do their best trying to avoid you leech panhandlers as it is.
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If anything emerges from Bobo the Hobo's ponderously long posting history, it is the fact that NOTHING that could be offered to her could or would ever be enough, or even prove satisfactory to her from the git-go...and that's aside from the obvious effect on the desirability of the new digs six months after all the assorted bums move into the new BumTel.