The Conservative Cave
Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Doc on May 10, 2011, 06:25:06 PM
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Why is it that the hard right Republicans can't fathom people making
choices for themselves, that they need the malevolent guidance of a supra nanny state backed by the threat of an Old Testament God in order to keep their vision of morality alive while at the same time reject any sort of regulation on the market forces that are designed to punish and reward in harsh and shocking ways...
Liberals have their idea of social justice as well. From what I understand, give the benefit of the doubt toward the quirks that make people individuals as long as they don't hurt others. The individuality of Americans, what I believe has been the engine of progress, should be, according to liberals, nurtured.
And when it comes to the market place, the liberal democrat is more interested in keeping the consumer from being cheated. This extends to the individual as well as the market place where liberals want to recognize all the hidden costs of doing business and hold accountable those who willfully profit off the harm of others.
So the Republicans trust business interests to have "our" best interests in mind. Never mind that they also worship the relentless movement toward maximizing profits which holds inherent dangers to the individual, the community and the environment.
So my basic question is this; why don't Conservatives trust people as individuals but give carte blanche to individuals collected together as an economic entity?
While we are at it, the religion of the right is more concerned with the morality of the many, the prime example is to prohibit abortion, and yet continually let charlatan preachers and "men of god", acting as individuals, steal and cheat as long as they repent and cry in front of the congregation.
Profit is king and the rights of the individual to freely express himself is to be mooted at all cost.
This, I believe, is the inherent conflict within the Republican Party.
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Tue May-10-11 05:44 PM
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1. Their collective mantra is "Don't tell me what to do!"
Aerows (1000+ posts) Tue May-10-11 05:47 PM
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2. Almost right...
....their collective mantra is "Don't tell me what to do, tell everyone ELSE what to do!"
Skidmore (1000+ posts) Tue May-10-11 06:46 PM
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5. The only choice they want to exercise is that they choose when
everyone gives them all their money.
Gregorian (1000+ posts) Tue May-10-11 06:56 PM
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6. Conservatives are dependent, and competitive. Liberals are independent and use initiative.
Edited on Tue May-10-11 06:57 PM by Gregorian
One behaves like an infant does, trying to gain favor. The other acts like a productive person.
I'm just reading a book titled Beyond Success and Failure. It's not about politics, but each chapter could very well pertain to this stuff.
I am certain that politics stems from personal behavior. The competitive person sees a leader as someone whose head is above theirs. They follow, and can even out pace them. But take the leader away, and the competitive person falls. The independent acts spontaneously, like a grazing horse, moving from tuft of grass to tuft of grass. Able to function and produce without being lead.
The competitive will kill to succeed.
This is also why Republicans are like a band, or gang. It looks like they have a really good thing. But they don't. And it's why Democrats argue, and look like a loose band of hillbillies. We are spontaneous, and full of initiative. And we're productive. We create the society.
This is the opinion of a guy on a forum. Me.
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You hate school vouchers.
You demand the government nationalize all vital industries.
You would set all prices the same.
You would dictate all wages.
You cannot (will not) find your own jobs.
You squeal if anyone offers counseling for alternatives to abortion.
You oppose open union shops or right-to-work laws.
You insist healthcare be filtered through a panel of political appointees.
You howl if I try to protect my vote from being diluted by felons and illegal immigrants.
You define science as whatever you believe in.
You reject and marginalize any religion you claim is unscientific.
You supplant education with grievance studies.
You harass and intimidate anyone advertising on FOX News.
You seek to nullify elections by fleeing the state.
You destroy public property when the legislated process goes against you.
You beat-up people who freely participate in public demonstrations opposite your own.
You slander the very military the protects the institutions you claim to represent
Freedom?
You ****ers only know freedom because you hate it so much.
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Tue May-10-11 05:44 PM
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1. Their collective mantra is "Don't tell me what to do!"
We do not have a "collective mantra" because we are not collectivists.
If we have one thing that brings us all together, it is our love of country and appreciation of its history.
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Tue May-10-11 06:56 PM
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6. Conservatives are dependent, and competitive. Liberals are independent and use initiative.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Liberals independent and they use initiative?
Liberals are the ones who want every need taken care of by the govt. They want every decision in life to be regulated. They want to sit on their butts, smoke pot, and eat cheetos all day while conservatives go out and work so we can take care of our own needs and have the govt siphon off our paychecks so libs can get their freebies.
no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-10-11 05:44 PM
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1. Their collective mantra is "Don't tell me what to do!"
And your collective mantra is, "tell me what to do" unless you say I can't smoke pot, or have an abortion at taxpayer expense."
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Tue May-10-11 06:56 PM
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Liberals are independent and use initiative.
Independent and use intiative?! :lmao: :lmao:
More like liberals are whiny little scrunts and use :stoner: :stoner:.
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Tue May-10-11 06:56 PM
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6. Conservatives are dependent, and competitive. Liberals are independent and use initiative.
Edited on Tue May-10-11 06:57 PM by Gregorian
One behaves like an infant does, trying to gain favor. The other acts like a productive person.
I'm just reading a book titled Beyond Success and Failure. It's not about politics, but each chapter could very well pertain to this stuff.
I am certain that politics stems from personal behavior. The competitive person sees a leader as someone whose head is above theirs. They follow, and can even out pace them. But take the leader away, and the competitive person falls. The independent acts spontaneously, like a grazing horse, moving from tuft of grass to tuft of grass. Able to function and produce without being lead.
The competitive will kill to succeed.
This is also why Republicans are like a band, or gang. It looks like they have a really good thing. But they don't. And it's why Democrats argue, and look like a loose band of hillbillies. We are spontaneous, and full of initiative. And we're productive. We create the society.
This is the opinion of a guy on a forum. Me.
Well, at least he got the "grass" part right. :stoner: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
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Ho hum...another "I already have an answer because I'm convinced I'm right and everyone who doesn't think like me is wrong" (some of us consider that a herd mentality...sort of like a bunch of horses grazing in the grass because that's all they know how to do) thread so we can talk to each other in our echo chamber. You guys are insecure and arrogant. One would think if you have to be reassured so often you'd check your assumptions but it's much easier to blindly think like everyone else and call it being intellectual.
Cindie
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Bravo DUmmie.
You tried to go on a little pissy session about conservatives and show us all out here in internet land just how smart you are, but ended up describing liberals almost perfectly.
Bravo.
There's a reason y'all are considered "the most smarterest peoples on the internetz."
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Like my choice to have or not have health insurance, DUmmies? :whatever:
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WTF! :lol:
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That's as full of stupid incomprehension as a Payday bar is full of peanuts. For just one example, the entire abortion debate on both sides is about individual rights, the big difference is just that the pro-abortion crowd refuses to entertain the proposition that unborn children could be actual people until the moment they are completely physically separated from the mother and breathing on their own.
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My head exploded from Gregorian's post. I have to do a cleanup on aisle 3 now.
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Cradle-to-the-grave statists acting as if they are some kind of flamekeepers of individual liberty...hilarious!
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Interesting the smartest people on the internets constantly have to prop themselves up.
Cindie
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And when it comes to the market place, the liberal democrat is more interested in keeping the consumer from being cheated
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When it comes to the market place, the liberal democrat is more interested in whether he can make it out of the store with a slab of beef hidden under his coat.
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Bravely posted from a site that refuses any other view point other than hard left collectivism.
It is to laugh.
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whether he can make it out of the store with a slab of beef hidden under his coat.
.....but he always gets tripped up by starting a loud arguement with some freeping teabagger standing in line grousing about Obama. This always triggers a cop jumping out of the bushes, of course. Foiled again!
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"Why is it that the hard right Republicans can't fathom people making
choices for themselves, that they need the malevolent guidance of a supra nanny state"
The sheer hypocrisy of that sentence alone is laughable!
Oh, so Republicans can't fathom people making choices for themselves and want to create a nanny state?
1. Obama wants to "Spread the wealth around," because he can't fathom people making choices for themselves on what to do with their own money, and many liberals feel the same way.
2. Michelle Obama regularly lectures us about how we shouldn't be allowed to eat anything but tofu and raw vegetables in the name of fighting obesity, and has tried to force restaurants to ban trans fats and serve smaller portions for the same reason (Never mind the fact that she stuffs her face with junk food every chance she can get), because she can't fathom people making choices for themselves on what to eat, and many liberals feel the same way.
3. Liberals wrote the book on creating nanny states.
4. Liberals are opposed to school vouchers and giving parents any advance notice on what their kids will be taught in public schools, because they can't fathom parents making choices for themselves on what sort of education their own children will receive.
Shall I go on?
He then throws in generous amounts of Christian- bashing and stereotyping to make it more of a typical DU thread.