Modern_Matthew (734 posts) Wed May-04-11 03:56 AMhttp://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1031564
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Bin Laden's daughter claims father was captured alive, then shot dead...
Edited on Wed May-04-11 03:57 AM by Modern_Matthew
The official said a 12-year-old daughter of bin Laden was among the six children rescued from the three-storey compound.
The daughter has reportedly told her Pakistani investigators that the US forces captured her father alive but shot him dead in front of family members. 


According to sources, Bin Laden was staying on the ground floor of the house and was dragged on the floor to the helicopter after being shot dead by US commandos. 


http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/05/04/147782...
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It's a huge bonfire. He's dead and that's good. Now, Obama needs to say whether this was a "kill" mission or not. If he gave the order, then take the heat and don't leave it up for speculation.
watching Holder screw the pooch on how to handle a living OBL for the next year.
sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Wed May-04-11 04:15 AM
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3. So incredibly sad and truly disturbing.
A two year old! I am glad they had no room to take these women and children to one of our torture chambers. And glad the Pakistanis have not allowed US officials near them. I hope it remains that way and those children are kept safe from US officials. We torture children too, it should be remembered.
This is not the change I was hoping for. I feel sick for some reason. What has any of this accomplished? He was hardly even relevant anymore and as for political gains here, Republicans will never vote for this president and many progressives who opposed these kinds of brutal tactics when Bush was president, are likely to become totally disenchanted with this president as a result of this.
I wonder when they were all watching the killings on video, did they see the little children there? Did they think of their own should this happen to them?
If he gave the order, then take the heat and don't leave it up for speculation.Heat? I'd say it's the first thing the Kenyan has done right since his coronation.
Heat? I'd say it's the first thing the Kenyan has done right since his coronation.
I don't think he'll take an ounce of criticism from anyone who matters if he told them to kill the bastard on sight.
The Carney guy is saying that it was an order to capture if possible.Half of what that little dweeb says is made up on the spot.
I'm surprised Eric Holder isn't chomping at the bit to prosecute the SEAL team then. Already some douche at the UN human rights thingy is demanding to know precise facts.Who is going to fill the roll John Murtha would taken on this?
Some caller on a radio show was sure that a faction from libtard world is going to be calling for the SEAL team's heads. And this, lurking DUmmies, is why America hates liberals. The majority of the populace/electorate does not think like you do, no matter what you wish.
Who is going to fill the roll John Murtha would taken on this?Murtha and bin Laden are probably talking about what happened right now.
I see right now Barry has decided not to release the pics to prove he's dead. I knew he wasn't dead. Where have we hidden him?
Bilderberg compound.Ran across this, an excellent companion for those needing a good chuckle
:fuelfire:
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Fuzz (1000+ posts) Wed May-04-11 03:27 PM
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This is what REALLY happened during the raid on Osama's compound.
A freeper posts this from a, wait for it, friend of a friend. And they are buying it over there as being plausible and a possibility.
This arrived in my in box, forwarded from a friend of a friend. I rewrote it and reworded it, to protect the chain of information. Some of you may know I was an officer in the Teams a few decades back. I still have contacts among the active duty community, and former frogs who are now working "in country" as security contractors.
Here's what really happened. OBL was taken down on the third floor, that's true. He was cornered and then jacked up. He was then, deliberately in front of hysterical witness, shot in the face and head with red 9mm paintball "simunitions" out of an MP5. Real blood was thrown around for effect. In the crazy glare of battle lights it all looked quite realistic, and the witnesses will go to their graves believing they saw OBL killed in front of them. But that didn't happen.
He was stunned, knocked out with a hand taser, then hooded and bagged and dragged out to the helos. Then a dummy was "buried at sea" in his place, no photos are going to be released, and here we are. The world believes OBL is dead, so the agency and foreign interrogators don't have to be gentle with him during his prolonged "debriefing" in a secret safehouse prison with only one guest. This was their "best case scenario" among the options confronting them depending on the amount of resistance encountered in the compound and the house. They achieved their optimal goal, the "jackpot." OBL is alive and under interrogation in a secret safehouse, and the world believes he's dead.
WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Wed May-04-11 03:32 PM
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2. I just pissed myself laughing.
Wow.
coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Wed May-04-11 12:07 PM
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177. Here's a suggestion for you then: let's just proceed directly to
execute anyone accused of a capital crime without bothering with the nicety of a trial. "Rule of law" is so 20th Century.
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Wed May-04-11 12:13 PM
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181. Thereby proving that Harvard Law Review editors can be just
as barbarian as Texas yahoos.
USA! USA! USA!
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Wed May-04-11 12:10 PM
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180. You would probably have believed the U.S. government's
version of the Gulf of Tonkin incident (lies) and not the North Vietnamese version (truth).
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Wed May-04-11 12:20 PM
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184. It's people like you who make me want to leave the
Democratic Party for good.
No one is crying their eyes out over Osama. Some of us are crying our eyes out over the destruction of such quaint and obsolete concepts as the "rule of law."
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Wed May-04-11 12:24 PM
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187. You support extra-judicial executions, then. Here's a suggestion
for you: let's just execute anyone accused of a capital crime without a trial first. "Rule of law" is so 20th century.
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Wed May-04-11 12:35 PM
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192. As opposed to our brave soldiers who kill their children with
Edited on Wed May-04-11 12:36 PM by coalition_unwilling
drones from 5 miles up.
Oh, sorry, I should have said "terrorists diguised as children."
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Wed May-04-11 12:27 PM
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189. I'll bet you would have been just fine with the US torturing him
while he was in captivity, all in the name of making him suffer.
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Wed May-04-11 12:45 PM
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200. The U.S. government said the USS Maddox was attacked in
international waters in the Gulf of Tonkin. The Vietnamese said it was not. Which one do you think was telling the truth?
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Wed May-04-11 12:57 PM
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212. Because, after all, she was just a terrorist
Edited on Wed May-04-11 12:58 PM by coalition_unwilling
disguised as a child, right?
You disgust me.
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Wed May-04-11 01:04 PM
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218. Here's a modest proposal for you: let's just execute anyone
accused of a capital crime without first bothering with such niceties as a trial. It's so much cheaper that way. For added effect, let's execute the accused in front of his or her kids.
USA! USA! USA!
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Of course every last tenant of the Big Liberal Guide to Why We Hate Bush, has been shattered. If McCain had called this op the media and political accolades would be absent.
Only Nixon could go to China.
Only Obama could assassinate UBL.
The world must now realize that the domestic antiwar movement is dead, kaput; it cares not a whit whether we assassinate bin Laden or a son of Qaddafi or go into Libya. Everything is on the table now and there are no self-restraints, no snickers on The Daily Show, no quirky insider winks on Letterman, no Barbara Streisand crazy faxes. A Nobel peace laureate is now the Left’s totem and he can send quite deadly Americans on quite deadly missions as he sees fit — and without worry about a New York Times op-ed barrage or an ACLU lawsuit. That gives the U.S. newfound advantages, a veritable blank check, from keeping Guantanamo open indefinitely to using a Cheney “assassination†team and valuable water-boarded intelligence wherever it wishes to. A Harold Koh is not going to be filing any more lawsuits against his government — he is the government.
DUmmie Fuzznut has a real good imagination.
He should take up writing kids books. :lmao:
WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Wed May-04-11 03:32 PM
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2. I just pissed myself laughing.
That being the case, coalition_unwilling is going to be very, very lonely.
Preferably, ones involving goats...
:-)
That being the case, coalition_unwilling is going to be very, very lonely.
WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Wed May-04-11 03:32 PM
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2. I just pissed myself laughing.
Democrat men. If they aren't sobbing in public, they're having bladder control problems.
Let's see. Bin Laden was offered to surrender, but refused to do so. Likely he was trying to get a weapon in another room. The Navy SEALs assumed that anyone is armed and that applies to anyone wearing clothing, which Osama bin Laden was wearing at the time. So, it was justified for the SEALs to kill bin Laden. What if bin Laden had a bomb and blew himself up. He could of killed the SEALs. Also, bin Laden's death could be suicide by proxy, he had no plans on getting caught and rather die.
I doubt the SEALs had any intention whatsoever of bringing the ****er back alive, no matter what their nominal instructions from the WH were, and I'm perfectly fine with that. What operator, special OR regular, wouldn't have a convenient commo problem when they were getting stupid instructions from off-scene?
Exactly. And God help the signal guys when that happened--we'd always get the blame.
They can talk about us, but the f'ers can't talk without us. :cheersmate:
Believe me, signaleers, plenty of good pro-operator JAGs gone down for the same rap - human shield to cover a commander's unloved-by-higher decision, whether good or bad. One of those "You knew the job was dangerous when you took it" deals, really.