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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on May 02, 2011, 10:17:35 AM
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The United States is treating Osama bin Laden's body in "accordance with Islamic practice," a White House official says.
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Asked how bin Laden's body will be treated, a senior administration official told reporters on a conference call that "we are ensuring that is handled in accordance with Islamic practice and tradition."
http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0511/bin_ladens_body_c2fb2ffb-5240-40c6-b106-956bf2ebff6a.html
OK, I get *why* he did it: he's trying to signal to the Islamic world we are at war with acts, not creeds.
BUT...
1) the acts are born from that creed
2) the audience he thinks exists--the moderate Muslim street--does not exist
3) moderate Muslims, when they do exist, live in the shadows because they are oppressed
4) Obama just told them he's more concerned with the perceptions of their oppressors than practical realities
5) Obama apparently has learned nothing about how the US street views deference to Islam, i.e. the Ground Zero mosque.
If you're entitled to a victory lap don't do it waving a Fat Che's Little Brothert Blue Ribbon and pissing out the window while flipping off the audience in stands.
Obama will get a 7-point bump in job approval and will lose 4 of those points once this news gets around.
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Economics, good or bad, will supersede any bump within a month, tops. It was the right decision, doing anything that would be regarded as desecration or mistreatment of the corpse would just turn into a recruiting tool to help the ****ers rebuild their organization.
This is one of those times, like telling off the boss when you leave, when the thing that feels really good in the short run would turn out to be a really bad idea in the long run.
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Economics, good or bad, will supersede any bump within a month, tops. It was the right decision, doing anything that would be regarded as desecration or mistreatment of the corpse would just turn into a recruiting tool to help the ****ers rebuild their organization.
This is one of those times, like telling off the boss when you leave, when the thing that feels really good in the short run would turn out to be a really bad idea in the long run.
Yep! people who are unemployed or people paying high gas prices aren't going to say "well we got Osama on his watch so he deserves to be re-elected".
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It was the right decision, doing anything that would be regarded as desecration or mistreatment of the corpse would just turn into a recruiting tool to help the ****ers rebuild their organization.
meh
The WH should have said nothing except, "He was dropped in the ocean."
If any reporter asked, "Was he buried according to Muslim tradition?" the reply should be, "Do you consider UBL to be representative of Islam?"
As for the little ****-nuts running to the nearest jihad recruiting station they will be plied with tales of US desecration of the body. They will be told the Jews had surgeons on hand to harvest the organs and sell them.
No liberal will be present to say, "No! Wait! President Obama had the body treated with dignity!" and the would-be jihadist will not say, "Oh wait! I remember reading at politico..."
They will use whatever excuse they want to join, real or imagined or fabricated.
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http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0511/bin_ladens_body_c2fb2ffb-5240-40c6-b106-956bf2ebff6a.html
OK, I get *why* he did it: he's trying to signal to the Islamic world we are at war with acts, not creeds.
BUT...
1) the acts are born from that creed
2) the audience he thinks exists--the moderate Muslim street--does not exist
3) moderate Muslims, when they do exist, live in the shadows because they are oppressed
4) Obama just told them he's more concerned with the perceptions of their oppressors than practical realities
5) Obama apparently has learned nothing about how the US street views deference to Islam, i.e. the Ground Zero mosque.
If you're entitled to a victory lap don't do it waving a Fat Che's Little Brothert Blue Ribbon and pissing out the window while flipping off the audience in stands.
Obama will get a 7-point bump in job approval and will lose 4 of those points once this news gets around.
Parading body around risks comeing off as racist or a phsyco. Not something you want to do.
He didn't really miss and opertunity, there's still going to be people claiming that we didn't kill him.
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Snugs, I don't quite get your contention that the Muslim practice of burying the dead within 24 hours is born of terrorist acts, or to quote you precisely, "the acts [terrorism] are born of that creed". Care to expand on that? Do I understand you properly?
Far more realistic is the Muslim practice or tradition of not embalming the body, which, oddly enough is similar to the Jewish practice. Blood is considered a part of the body, so it is buried with the body and not flushed out with an embalming process. Burying the body within 24 hours keeps rotting from being a real smelly problem.
I completely agree, however, that Obama's overriding concern has been and continues to be legitimizing and fellating Islam.
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Aren't Muslim dead supposed to be buried pointed towards Mecca (or something like that). Doesn't tossing him into the ocean prevent that?
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Aren't Muslim dead supposed to be buried pointed towards Mecca (or something like that). Doesn't tossing him into the ocean prevent that?
I thought the same thing as well.
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Aren't Muslim dead supposed to be buried pointed towards Mecca (or something like that). Doesn't tossing him into the ocean prevent that?
Well, now, how he lands on the bottom is all in Allah's hands, innit?
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Well, now, how he lands on the bottom is all in Allah's hands, innit?
:-)
I hope they weighted the bag so that he's standing on his head.
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Parading body around risks comeing off as racist or a phsyco. Not something you want to do.
He didn't really miss and opertunity, there's still going to be people claiming that we didn't kill him.
I absolutely agree about parading the body. We don't need to hang trophies.
I'm merely suggesting we should have taken whatever forensic evidence we deemed fitting and tossed him off the fantail.
No ceremony (there was not one as far as I've read). No observance of tradition. Nothing. Zip. Zero. Zilch.
If anyone asks if there was an observance we should say, "Yes, we strictly adhered to the precepts of pragmatism."
Snugs, I don't quite get your contention that the Muslim practice of burying the dead within 24 hours is born of terrorist acts, or to quote you precisely, "the acts [terrorism] are born of that creed". Care to expand on that? Do I understand you properly?
Far more realistic is the Muslim practice or tradition of not embalming the body, which, oddly enough is similar to the Jewish practice. Blood is considered a part of the body, so it is buried with the body and not flushed out with an embalming process. Burying the body within 24 hours keeps rotting from being a real smelly problem.
I completely agree, however, that Obama's overriding concern has been and continues to be legitimizing and fellating Islam.
If (I caution: IF) Obama gave a directive to have the body buried within 24 hours per Islamic tradition he screwed up. His orders should have been, "Do whatever you need to do to gain whatever evidence is available. Be thorough. Be precise. Then dispose of the body as convenient in the most expedient manner available at the time."
IOW practical matters should take precedence, not operating under some clock counting down inside the head of a now-deceased homicidal zealot.
As for my "acts born of that creed" comment:
You may have heard it said that declaring war on terrorism after 9/11 would be akin to declaring war on torpedo bombers after Pearl Harbor. Obama--and his predecessor--have made it policy to curry favor with the Islamic street. They operate under the idea--not without its arguable merits--that we must convince the average Muslim that this is not a war on their culture.
But their culture is precisely the issue we are confronting. It is a creed born of terror and blood. Even the verses that claim Jews and Christians are the brothers of Muslims are considered abrogated by later verses. We cannot be at peace with that creed because that creed will not be at peace with us.
Even "moderate Muslims" is just code-speak for "westernized" which in turn is secularized code-speak for "Judeo-Christian"
What we are fighting is Islam. If we don't say as much we should do so only because it is easier to eat the elephant one bite at a time as opposed to having 1,000,000,000 plus people launch into a sudden war. But we delude ourselves if we pretend otherwise.
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As for my "acts born of that creed" comment:
You may have heard it said that declaring war on terrorism after 9/11 would be akin to declaring war on torpedo bombers after Pearl Harbor. Obama--and his predecessor--have made it policy to curry favor with the Islamic street. They operate under the idea--not without its arguable merits--that we must convince the average Muslim that this is not a war on their culture.
But their culture is precisely the issue we are confronting. It is a creed born of terror and blood. Even the verses that claim Jews and Christians are the brothers of Muslims are considered abrogated by later verses. We cannot be at peace with that creed because that creed will not be at peace with us.
Even "moderate Muslims" is just code-speak for "westernized" which in turn is secularized code-speak for "Judeo-Christian"
What we are fighting is Islam. If we don't say as much we should do so only because it is easier to eat the elephant one bite at a time as opposed to having 1,000,000,000 plus people launch into a sudden war. But we delude ourselves if we pretend otherwise.
Ah, gotcha.
But here, your pragmatism bogs down -- and understand that I'm approaching your point from the devil's advocate's perspective.
Islam's tradition of burial within 24 hours is just that -- a tradition. I've already illustrated how similar it is to the Jewish tradition. That tradition is itself born of pragmatism due to the stinky problem that remains in hanging on and fawning over a corpse longer than a day.
How does that equate to the rest of Islam? The killing, the rape, the slaughter, the insanity that Mohammed perpetuated? The insistence that nonbelievers either must adopt Islam or die?
Looks to me like you're mixing apples and oranges.
What does it cost the U.S., in terms of credibility and "respect" for Islam in acknowledging and stating for the record that the body was handled in accordance with Islamic tradition...
...even if that's a lie? That the body was dumped off the fantail in just the way you described?
In other words, do you actually believe the Oministration's statements on how the body was handled?
I think most people who have not engaged the muzzies in battle or who might be expected to don the uniform recognize that "moderate muzzies" are those that are either on the fence with their own religion, or otherwise aren't terribly dogmatic about it. I'd wager there are a few million of those types of muzzies.....
...of the 1.57 billion or so there are in the world.
:popcorn:
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All excellent points and 100% valid.
Of course you semi-noted my earlier-stated counterpoint: what Oministration says won't buy us 1 scintilla of sympathy on the Islamic street.
So to which audience is he playing?
The audience he thinks he's performing for does not exist.
The audience that will hear him and believe him will say, "Why the **** do we care?"
The professional left is mad Obama used the military to perpetuate Bush's illegal war against Islamic baby seals in the rain forest who gave out free health care...or something.
I'm not saying this as an Obama critic but only from the aspect of PR and messaging.
Personally, I'm glad--I give an enthusiastic thumbs-up--to Obama for so decisively green lighting the operation. I've read reports that he decided against a missile strike because he wanted a body for evidence.
Boo-****ing-yah!
Good call Mr. CinC. It sounds like you matured a little but why did you have to shit in the pudding at the end? Sometimes in the middle of a rousing success the best thing to do is to know when to stop talking.
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All excellent points and 100% valid.
Of course you semi-noted my earlier-stated counterpoint: what Oministration says won't buy us 1 scintilla of sympathy on the Islamic street.
So to which audience is he playing?
The audience he thinks he's performing for does not exist.
Well, I might suggest that he's playing to a largely AMERICAN audience. The one that is fair-minded, even-handed, and fundamentally western in thought, word, and deed.
The audience that will hear him and believe him will say, "Why the **** do we care?"
The professional left is mad Obama used the military to perpetuate Bush's illegal war against Islamic baby seals in the rain forest who gave out free health care...or something.
I'm not saying this as an Obama critic but only from the aspect of PR and messaging.
Personally, I'm glad--I give an enthusiastic thumbs-up--to Obama for so decisively green lighting the operation. I've read reports that he decided against a missile strike because he wanted a body for evidence.
Boo-****ing-yah!
Good call Mr. CinC. It sounds like you matured a little but why did you have to shit in the pudding at the end? Sometimes in the middle of a rousing success the best thing to do is to know when to stop talking.
Yeah, I'm actually a little stunned. Barry approved the op on Friday, played golf a bit on Sunday and got back to the WH in time for the "mission complete" report.
If nothing else, Barry exercises terrific time management skills. :whatever:
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...Barry approved the op on Friday, played golf a bit on Sunday and got back to the WH in time for the "mission complete" report.
If nothing else, Barry exercises terrific time management skills. :whatever:
I suppose if you have a big op getting ready to go down the best advice from the brass is, "Continue with your usual routine. Pretend nothing special is going on."
Of course Obama spent his entire presidency pretending nothing special is going on.
Apparently I'm not alone in my thoughts within the OP:
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When John Dillinger was finally taken down, his body was put on public display and wound up being a grotesque spectacle which brought a lot of criticism on the government.
With bin Laden the situation was even more complicated. Many of Obama’s statements last night seemed designed to reinforce the fact that we were not “at war with Islam†but hunting a killer. The use of the phrase “in accordance with Islamic practice and tradition†is telling, likely intended as an attempt not to further inflame the Muslim world on the heels of this historic event by violating their funeral practices. But was it worth the effort?
On the one hand, there are places which will be (and already are (http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/05/pakistanis-stunned-and-angered-at-news-of-osamas-death/)) enraged over the killing and no amount of “respect†for the remains is going to mollify them. Back at home, we’re already seeing reactions (http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=73686) from people who find this treatment an insult to the victims.
Does Obama believe this treatment is going to turn crazy Muslims into decent human beings? Does he think decent Muslims will be upset that this friggin madman isn’t treated with respect?
Obama is a jerk.
But in the end, nothing was going to pacify anyone at either extreme of that particular scale I suppose. So, do we need to have the body as a trophy of war and put it on display? Reports indicate he was shot in the eye, so it’s probably a pretty gruesome sight. If we have DNA evidence and enough credible military and government witnesses I suppose that will have to be enough.
And how about photographs? ABC is reporting that the White House has the pictures, but is still debating whether or not to release them.
What does the Hot Air community have to say? Should the body have been brought back for public confirmation of bin Laden’s death? What should have been done?
UPDATE: Predictably, some Muslim clerics have already weighed in (http://www.thememriblog.org/blog_personal/en/37093.htm) saying that the burial at sea wasn’t good enough.
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/02/disposing-of-obls-body/
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It's water under the bridge. Barry will be criticized no matter what he decided to do about disposal of the corpse. Thing is, he's too thin-skinned to understand that and narcissistic enough to have that criticism bother him.
None of that changes the outcome, however.
UBL is fish food and while al Qaida won't collapse without UBL at the helm, the psychological ramifications of the brazenness of the op and the execution of it make it a very successful outcome indeed.
It's just too bad that Barry will get the credit, but I'm hopeful that the forgetfulness of the American people will win the day for the next presidential election and he'll be tossed out on his ass.
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It's water under the bridge. Barry will be criticized no matter what he decided to do about disposal of the corpse. Thing is, he's too thin-skinned to understand that and narcissistic enough to have that criticism bother him.
None of that changes the outcome, however.
UBL is fish food and while al Qaida won't collapse without UBL at the helm, the psychological ramifications of the brazenness of the op and the execution of it make it a very successful outcome indeed.
It's just too bad that Barry will get the credit, but I'm hopeful that the forgetfulness of the American people will win the day for the next presidential election and he'll be tossed out on his ass.
From the mouth of a DUmmies comes the truth.
"cheney's torture" is the reason he got OBL < MockAndHaw > 05/02 09:22:29
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/forums/?ID=188382117
they're already claiming it...
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Worse than I imagined:
DEVELOPING: Usama bin Laden was given a religious funeral prior to his burial at sea, senior military officials told Fox News.
Religious rites were conducted on the deck of the USS Carl Vinson aircraft carrier at about 1:10 a.m. Monday in the Persian Gulf.
In accordance with Islamic practice, bin Laden was washed and wrapped in a white sheet before buried at sea at 2 a.m. local time, senior U.S. military and intelligence officials said.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/05/02/bin-laden-given-religious-funeral-prior-sea-burial/#ixzz1LDjugNMO
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Worse than I imagined:
Meh. I consider it like John Constantine giving last rites to Balthazar.
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Worse than I imagined:
Once again, you're putting more into those words than are actually there.
"Religious rites" could consist of some Airedale picking his nose with one finger while he's scratching his balls with his other hand.
"Washed and wrapped in a white sheet" could very well mean a different Airedale pissing on the corpse before being wrapped in a sheet that used to be white, but is now a mottled green because another Sailor got seasick and they allowed the sheet to become a mold-infested science project.
I can't imagine anybody wanting to be on the deck of that ship at 0200 for "religious rites," the chaplain least of all.
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Once again, you're putting more into those words than are actually there.
"Religious rites" could consist of some Airedale picking his nose with one finger while he's scratching his balls with his other hand.
"Washed and wrapped in a white sheet" could very well mean a different Airedale pissing on the corpse before being wrapped in a sheet that used to be white, but is now a mottled green because another Sailor got seasick and they allowed the sheet to become a mold-infested science project.
I can't imagine anybody wanting to be on the deck of that ship at 0200 for "religious rites," the chaplain least of all.
I believe that they recorded everything just to have proof that it was done properly. We may never see the video, but it will be shown to Arab leaders.
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I believe that they recorded everything just to have proof that it was done properly. We may never see the video, but it will be shown to Arab leaders.
You are likely 100% correct.
In this CYA world, there is no greater motivator to cover one's ass than by resorting to the inevitable Dog and Pony Show.
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In storms Mother, hissing like a snake, first thing our of her mouth is, Obama is up to something, I don't think UBL is in fact dead , then again how do we know he hasn't been dead for years ????
She reminded me that she was of the generation of those that killed Hitler and the frustration of never knowing for sure if he and wife did not get away before the Russians came to town. Oh Excuse me I forgot that a couple witnesses SWORE that Hitler committed suicide and they burned him all up except for one small skull fragment.
In this day and age when a person dies there is an autopsy done, they did one on JFK and brother Bobby when they were killed, why not one on UBL.?????
Now there will be generations after generations of people never knowing for sure who was dropped off the ship in the dead of the night.
Why the rush to get him in the deep blue sea, there is a morgue on board the Carrier and a full autopsy could have been done there.
When someone as well known as UBL dies as horrid a person as he was, humans need to see for themselves that the slayed monster can never try to eat them again. One does not give dignity, respect or any consideration to the body of a monster such as he.
Why dump him over board at a time the crew could not all get out and cheer as witness to history????
I heard the excuse that Obama did not want to turn the body over to Pakistan to bury as the site could become a shrine to his followers. BULLLLLLLLLLLLLL SHITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT.
Last week the Long Form birth certificate, this week we killed a man we could not find for 10 years, next week should be interesting.
Table #3 Elvis, Jim Morrison and UBL are complaining about the Goat Cheese salad.
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(ABC News) — Osama bin Laden’s corpse was taken to the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson, officials tell ABC News.
The process of his burial at sea was done in accordance with Muslim law — a Muslim seaman conducted the process and said the proper prayers, with bin Laden’s body wrapped in the appropriate way.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/05/osama-bin-ladens-corpse-and-a-pentagon-power-point-on-his-compound-.html
The prayer:
O Allah, forgive our living and our dead, those who are present among us and those who are absent, our young and our old, our males and our females. O Allah, whoever You keep alive, keep him alive in Islam, and whoever You cause to die, cause him to die with faith. O Allah, forgive him and have mercy on him, keep him safe and sound and forgive him, honour the place where he settles and make his entrance wide; wash him with water and snow and hail, and cleanse him of sin as a white garment is cleansed of dirt. O Allah, give him a house better than his house and a family better than his family. O Allah, admit him to Paradise and protect him from the torment of the grave and the torment of Hell-fire; make his grave spacious and fill it with light. O Allah, do not deprive us of the reward and do not cause us to go astray after this.
How ****ing magnanimous.
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The funeral's for the benefit of the living, not the dead. Grow up, people.
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The funeral's for the benefit of the living, not the dead. Grow up, people.
As I said, I'm looking at this from a PR perspective. This is Obama's victory to taint.
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The funeral's for the benefit of the living, not the dead. Grow up, people.
If I held his funeral, "O Allah, forgive our living and our ...awh **** it, he ain't got no family get here, DUmp his ass."
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I am remided of the funeral of Freddy the Rat in "Archy and Mehitabel," but the odds are very high that Frank is the only person widely-read enough to understand the reference.
:-)
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Yup, I had to look it up. Never heard of Freddy, so I damned sure hadn't heard of Archy the cockroach or Mehitabel, the alley cat.
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The funeral's for the benefit of the living, not the dead. Grow up, people.
True DAT, So why do we give benefit to the living that not only followed a monster but still believes in the monsters ideas????
Few monsters get a burial as they the monsters want, what do we do with the executed monsters that die, do we give them any kind of funeral to pacify their family's? I did not see any kind of formal funeral for anyone in our prisons for the sake of their family.
What's the matter for you, this was the worlds most hated enemy, our boys and girls in the military gave their lives to catch the son or a bitch.
Should not we receive closer by at least seeing his head on a pike.????
Who can now go to the graves of our children and honestly tell them, rest in peace we got the bastard???
I am all for parading the enemy of the world in public view, the family's of those he murdered should have the opportunity to spit on his corps, piss on it and carry off finger and toes to mount in a shadow box at home as a relic of justice.
We are human, the murder of a family member in order to close the book needs some kind of proof that the monster is indeed gone.
Let's see, we are told that the killer of Abe Lincoln died in a barn fire, yet years later people would swearing on their dieing breath that Booth got out and lived for years later. The body was never recovered and shown to the public and so a legion was born.
Oswald was murdered by a bar keeper that some how got through all the security, look at all the stuff on conspiracy that has come up after that , the grassy Noll and other weird stuff.
Had I been in charge, I would have ordered a complete autopsy, then the best embalmers in the world to treat the body.
Next the body would have been placed totally naked in a glass case and trucked around to every small and large city in America. Placed on display for 3 days and off he would go to another town or city.
Disgrace him, hold him to ridicule, screw the Muslim comunity we are not doing this because of his faith but for his acts and deeds. Next time we catch another one, do the same, are we so fearfull of a religious comunity in our country that we fear their reaction ????
If we cannot controll a small segment of society then we may as well give the country up to them. We have lost all government and now it is every man for themselves, we are now entering the second Dark Ages
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One of the sketchy cartoons associated with the column shows a deceased rat dropping into a garbage can in the alley. Archy describes it in the text as 'freddy the rat was buried with full military honors.'
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As I noted in the OP:
3) moderate Muslims, when they do exist, live in the shadows because they are oppressed.
4) Obama just told them he's more concerned with the perceptions of their oppressors than practical realities
Today on PJ Media:
Bin Laden’s Burial at Sea: Are We Undermining ‘Moderate’ Muslims? (http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/bin-ladens-burial-at-sea-are-we-undermining-moderate-muslims/?singlepage=true)
I'm owed beer and travel money royalties. :-)
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I take it all back.
I thought Obama would goat-**** his 1 major accomplishment with UBLs disposal.
Little did I suspect the WH was so desperate to cock-crow they couldn't even get their story straight on whether or not UBL was armed/unarmed/resisting and if a wife/random female was held hostage/killed/wounded.
Worse (for them) the dems are in ass-covering mode about Gitmo, waterboarding etc and looking increasingly petty politicizing as they do so.
Again, from a strictly PR frame of mind:
I seriously think Obama may lose more points from this than he'll gain because his reflexes are ego-driven and his past words and deeds will haunt him (but those too were ego-driven).
The American people expect leadership (from presidents, no less!) not pandering to murderous zealots and not gaming them for fools by trying to puff-up on the front page of the NYT.
I honestly wanted to congratulate Obama & Co. on a mission well done and a tough call decided. Now I find myself screaming, "DUDE! Shut the **** up while you're ahead!"
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Every other word out of the various minions commenting to the press is "gutsy" and how Obama's decision was just that.
Jeez, guys, I know you're all working from a script, but put a cork in it already!
We got it! Gutsy! Okay!
Now, can Barry go back to his freakin' golf game?
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I honestly wanted to congratulate Obama & Co. on a mission well done and a tough call decided. Now I find myself screaming, "DUDE! Shut the **** up while you're ahead!"
What strikes me as portraying this administration as floundering is the fact that they were sitting there watching this on TV in real time, and they had time to get the "narrative" straight, yet they didn't. That is another thing about Jay Carney's presser today, he used the word narrative, which to me has always meant story as in fiction.
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What strikes me as portraying this administration as floundering is the fact that they were sitting there watching this on TV in real time, and they had time to get the "narrative" straight, yet they didn't. That is another thing about Jay Carney's presser today, he used the word narrative, which to me has always meant story as in fiction.
That just drives home the point: they're spending--as Eupher noted--every other word of airtime saying "gutsy" to the point where anyone paying attention wants to puke their guts up over the ad nauseam repetition.
Sure, Americans have their buffoonish moments (ever watch COPS and/or America's Funniest Home Videos?) but they are stupid and they certainly don't like being gamed on something as serious as 9/11.
You cannot claim to be gutsy when you are out trying to score cheap political points.
You cannot claim to be competent when you can't even get your ****ing narrative straight.
Obama's best strategy would to heap unending praise upon the troops and analysts he commands and not even mention himself. THAT would personally benefit them the most but--ironically--they're too ****ing narcissistic to win the highest praise for themselves.
By this weekend everyone will have soured on Obama's handling of his victory. It will be remembered as worse than Bush's "Mission Accomplished" moment because at least that was unintentional (and not even his). But nobody likes an incompetent blowhard who deliberately acts with only his own selfish interests in mind.
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An interesting juxtaposition is developing:
J'lem imam: Obama will soon hang
(Video) Al-Aqsa Mosque imam vows to avenge killing of Osama bin Laden in Youtube video. 'Dogs should not rejoice too much for killing lions'
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4064183,00.html
In Muslim world, many doubters say bin Laden still lives
(NewsCore) - Across the Muslim world, the killing of Usama bin Laden has unleashed a swirl of conspiracy theories, with many Pakistanis, Afghans and Arabs refusing to believe US assurances that al Qaeda's founder is actually dead,
Read more: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/national/050311-doubters-say-bin-laden-lives-ncx#ixzz1LLcPatVb
So the sub-savages claim we're lying about the entire matter...
...but they want revenge nonetheless.
Truth--even the sub-savages own twisted versions of it--has no bearing on their actions. They're animals. They cannot be reasoned with. They cannot be inflamed, they are perpetually inflamed and nothing can un-inflame them.
So, just who was Obama appealing to with his misguided stunt?
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So, just who was Obama appealing to with his misguided stunt?
His base here in the states?
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His base here in the states?
And that will be the 17% that still votes for him long after the other 83% have grown sick of his shit.
Repeat after me, "Madame President, Sarah Louise Palin."
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In Muslim world, many doubters say bin Laden still lives
Yeah, I hear he's got a meeting scheduled with Che, Zapata, and Robin Hood tomorrow.
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Yeah, I hear he's got a meeting scheduled with Che, Zapata, and Robin Hood tomorrow.
Somethings cooking and there are to many chiefs in the kitchen.
Who are we to believe, a 12 year old girl who was there or Obama????
Why did we not round up all living witnesses and bring them along to be questioned????
The compound was unguarded but a 20 minute fire fight took place between 24 Navy Seals and 3-4 armed men ?????
DNA tests now take only 18 hours to perform ???? Full sophisticated lab aboard the ship to handle DNA testing ?????
If for months they had a mock up of the compound and trained in who would go where , how did they not know there would be a problem with a black hawk in that area???
Before the days of the computer and the web, the public may have bought into this story, however we are a questioning people now, a bit more sophisticated then the people that got their news from radio or TV.
I believe it was the Nixon era that has caused people to question darn near everything government does. Brought out the ideas of conspiracy ideas to every ones mind. More times we find we are right--there was a conspiracy to cover up corruption then not.
We have a president that spent millions of dollars to keep his past a closed secret from us. Now we know there are pictures and films of this action he took ----we the American public who suffered from 9/11 and the thousands of our children in a war to find this man said to have master minded the deaths are told it is none of their business to even see pictures of the dead man behind it all. It may make some terrorist angry.
Obama will meet with a select few victims family's of 9/11 -----What the hell is this all about????
Yupo the time has come to make pot legal, keep us all stoned and unaware of the life we are sinking into. The crazy thinking that Obama expects us to follow will in time drive us Mad.
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A whole buncha shit SNIPPED....
Yupo the time has come to make pot legal, keep us all stoned and unaware of the life we are sinking into. The crazy thinking that Obama expects us to follow will in time drive us Mad.
vesta, methinks you're well on your way.
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vesta, methinks you're well on your way.
To being stoned, or madness?
:-)
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To being stoned, or madness?
:-)
They're about the same...one short term and the other long term. Of course they can be the same duration if you chain smoke.
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To being stoned, or madness?
:-)
:yeahthat:
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Really now, here we have 200+ different storeys on what happend that night.
3 members of congress say were they were shown photos of UBL dead, now they declare the photos were a fake. So who the heck in the government showed them the photos and why do they now know these photos were a fake.????? Who faked them and why???
All family and eye wittiness to the take down were delivered to the Paki government out of range for anyone to question except for someone saying the 12 year old daughter says her father surrendered and was then shot.
How do we know this 12 year old was his daughter and not his newest wife???? Where is this girl now, where is his son, where is the woman shot in the leg???
Who was the person who said the deceased was in amazingly good health-----Did UBL not have Kidney failure 10 years ago ???
I may be a brick short of a full load my friends, but, Daddy taught me not to believe what I hear and half of what I see.
Question, Question all, and never trust anyone and then question your own ideas and beliefs.---Trust in gut instincts, woman have this uncanny ability to know when things are not as they are told or seem.
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I may be a brick short of a full load my friends, but, Daddy taught me not to believe what I hear and half of what I see.
I'd say you're at least a wheelbarrow of bricks short of a full load.
Just sayin'.......
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In the rush to gain applause these rubes find only embarrassment.
...White House officials said they would give no new details about the raid on his compound in Pakistan, an information clampdown that followed fitful attempts to craft a riveting narrative about the killing of al-Qaeda’s leader.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/white-house-goes-silent-on-bin-laden-raid/2011/05/04/AF1v87rF_story.html
The gave up strategic advantages in their clamour to be conratulated when they A) announced UBL was killed and B) they had a "treasure trove" of intel.
They wanted to bask in the warmth of glowing poll numbers.
Now they've embarrassed themselves into silence and that silence--especially after being such loud-mouths--will now provoke even more embarrassing questions both in quantity and quality.
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In today's military forces, what are the odds of there not being a muzzie as a member of the crew of the Navy aircraft carrier? :mental: :thatsright:
And why wouldn't the Navy have that muzzie at a press conference to describe his eyewitness account of the proceedings? :clueless:
Not likely, McGee. :censored: