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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: compaqxp on May 01, 2011, 10:39:23 PM
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I know most likely don't care but with it officially Election day in parts of Canada I figure I'd post this. Typically our elections are boring however, this one could be interesting given how the polls look.
Harper (Con) is in the lead while Layton (NDP) is in a close second after surpassing the liberals, who are in third place followed by the Bloc and Greens.
Just two weeks ago it looked like we'd have another Harper minority with the liberals as leaders of opposition, but that has all changed. Now Layton is set to be leader of the opposition and actually has the potential to win a minority government. Layton is just trailing Harper but Layton is getting the youth vote, something more prominent in the election then previous elections. (A group typically not well represented in the Polls)
This is the first election we've had with facebook, twitter, etc. as a way to campaign, yet I'm not seeing much difference because of it.
We really have several possibilities right now by looking at the polls...
-Harper minority, Layton Opposition
-Layton minority, Harper Opposition
-NDP lead coalition government (I have doubts)
I won't count the liberals out of this but they do worse all the time, I don't think they have much of a chance with the NDP's surge in popularity.
This election has also seen a rise is strategic voting, in an effort to oust Harper. Known as ABC (Anything But Conservative) it basically means to vote for the non conservative candidate in your riding who is most likely to win.
I'll be posting results and stuff in this topic. This could be interesting. I'm a little worried.
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(http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h452/hoganson11/1304066175369.jpg)
Sorry, just couldn't resist. :-)
Thanks for bringing this here. I don't follow Canadian politics as closely as I should, it's good to have a reminder of that.
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I got up early and went to and cast my vote!
I can't say much until everything is over, which will be later tonight.
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It's good you're bringing this over, compaq.
I think it's fair to say that the parliamentary political process is a little unusual for most Americans, so it's good to get the Canadian perspective of elections and how the ruling and minority parties are determined.
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My Mom lived in Kelowna for a while, and tried to explain the process to me, but I don't believe I ever actually understood it. I rarely ever understand anything she tries to explain to me. I am interested to learn more.
So, who did you vote for, Compaq???
:-)
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It's good you're bringing this over, compaq.
I think it's fair to say that the parliamentary political process is a little unusual for most Americans, so it's good to get the Canadian perspective of elections and how the ruling and minority parties are determined.
I would agree with that but I'd also say the same about many Canadians when it comes to US elections.
My Mom lived in Kelowna for a while, and tried to explain the process to me, but I don't believe I ever actually understood it. I rarely ever understand anything she tries to explain to me. I am interested to learn more.
So, who did you vote for, Compaq???
:-)
I was very conflicted going into vote this morning. I'd rather not say who I voted for but I have a good feeling they won't win in my riding.
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I was very conflicted going into vote this morning. I'd rather not say who I voted for but I have a good feeling they won't win in my riding.
Well, you're a self-admitted liberal (the first step, btw, in the process of recovery), so it's not surprising the general flavor of who you voted for.
The term "riding" (synonymous with "congressional district") is an interesting, though unintended, twist of terminology.
:-)
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Well, you're a self-admitted liberal (the first step, btw, in the process of recovery), so it's not surprising the general flavor of who you voted for.
The term "riding" (synonymous with "congressional district") is an interesting, though unintended, twist of terminology.
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I did not vote liberal, I will say that for sure. The liberals lost any future vote from me years ago.
Quite a bit of different terminology between our two systems, but that would be the equivalent.
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I was very conflicted going into vote this morning. I'd rather not say who I voted for but I have a good feeling they won't win in my riding.
That's cool, I was just funning you anyway. :-)
I am definitely interested to see who is elected. Admittedly, I don't pay enough attention to what is happening in Canadian elections. What do you see happening up there? Are people ok with your status quo, or is there some kind of shake-up going on?
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I did not vote liberal, I will say that for sure. The liberals lost any future vote from me years ago.
Quite a bit of different terminology between our two systems, but that would be the equivalent.
Let's just agree that your brand of "liberal" is a far cry from mine.
You could be the token conservative in your riding and you'd still be liberal in thought, word, and deed.
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Canada?
Is that in New Jersey?
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Oh cool! my Grandparents came from Canada so I've always had a love/hate relationship with the Country so I'm interested in the election. My dream is to have Alberta secede from Canada and join the US, and in return Canada would get California.
Canada?
Is that in New Jersey?
NO! :tongue:
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Oh cool! my Grandparents came from Canada so I've always had a love/hate relationship with the Country so I'm interested in the election. My dream is to have Alberta secede from Canada and join the US, and in return Canada would get California.
NO! :tongue:
Why Alberta????
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Why Alberta????
It's the most Conservative Province in Canada, Alberta is kind of the Canadian version of Texas.
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Canadians are odd. They call ham bacon.
Their money looks odd too. Is that a moose or The Queen on your bills?
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Here's something interesting to read Issa about Alberta and separatism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_separatism
Alberta separatism arises from the belief held by some that Alberta is culturally distinct from the rest of Canada, particularly Central Canada and Eastern Canada, and from the belief that Alberta is harmed economically by providing financial support to other provinces through the federal transfer payment program. The Alberta economy has been traditionally based on ranching, and in the last half of the 20th century, been bolstered by considerable revenues from oil and gas production. Alberta has developed a political culture that is more conservative, in both economic and social issues, than the rest of Canada.
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And this too Issa:
http://www.freealberta.com/
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Conservatives headed toward victory?
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/05/03/canada-politics-idUKN0226513320110503
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Looks kind of good :yahoo:
Provisional results showed the Conservatives had up to 165 seats in Parliament, above the 155 they needed to transform their minority government into a majority. They won 40 percent of the vote, more than most pollsters had expected.
"The results are as they should be," Conservative supporter Fred Biddle said at Prime Minister Stephen Harper's raucous victory party in Calgary. "It looks like we are back to a two party system in Canada: Conservatives and all the rest."
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Harper wins majority
Canadian voters have delivered Conservative Leader Stephen Harper his first majority government after five years of governing in a minority situation. Meanwhile NDP Leader Jack Layton was set to become Official Opposition leader.
The NDP, according to projections, made a major breakthrough and appeared to have nearly tripled their seat count, while Michael Ignatieff's Liberals — often touted as Canada's "natural governing party" — were poised to suffer an historic electoral loss, placing a distant third behind Layton's party.
With 70 percent of the votes counted, the Conservatives were elected or leading in 168 seats, followed by the NDP with 102, Liberals with 33 and the Bloc Québécois with four. A party needs to capture 155 seats to win a majority in the House of Commons.
Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe lost to NDP candidate Hélène Laverdière in the riding of Laurier-Sainte-Marie, in what proved to be a disastrous night for the sovereignist party that redefined the political reality of Quebec.
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/story/2011/05/02/cv-election-main.html
I'll be honest I'm not to excited by this. I'm glad the Liberals took a hit and that the Bloc has more of less gotten no seats however, I wanted another minority government just based on my lack of trust for any of them. It'll be an interesting 4 years.
In my opinion the Liberal and NDP have the potential of merging after this, in which case we'd have only two major parties. You can be sure some major changes will take place after this election.
This will be our first majority in years. At least we can rest easy about the economy and such, he's done a good job with it so far so I doubt he'll have any problems for the next 4 years, something I can be happy about.
At the end of the day though no matter who a person voted for or who won, democracy is the true winner.
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compaq, someone at DU said that the Conservatives and NDP joined forces to get more Liberals out? and someone said that some NDP supporters voted for Conservatives to prevent Liberals from gaining seats, is that true?
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compaq, someone at DU said that the Conservatives and NDP joined forces to get more Liberals out? and someone said that some NDP supporters voted for Conservatives to prevent Liberals from gaining seats, is that true?
It's possible and I have no doubt some did based on strategic voting, but I don't think they would account for very much.
I can't picture many NDP supporters voting Conservative but, like I'm not sure. We'll learn more in the coming days though.
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Also, one of the most important things from this election will be the voter turnout, something that has been very low for years.
I'm hoping when I see the number that the turnout increased by a lot.
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Canada?
Is that in New Jersey?
Actually it's in Kansas. Whodathunk???
http://kansas.hometownlocator.com/ks/marion/canada.cfm
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Compaq, what is your own take on the political direction of the NDP? Where do you think they fall out on the spectrum?
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Compaq, what is your own take on the political direction of the NDP? Where do you think they fall out on the spectrum?
I like the NDP with the exception of a few things, I think that Jack Layton is a good person to lead the party and the NDP does a good job most of the time when choosing candidates. The know what many Canadians want, they just don't realise money doesn't grow on trees.
This says it better then I could...
(http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/canada2011.png)
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Iggy Quit. Two leaders gone in a single election.
Ignatieff quits as Liberal leader
Michael Ignatieff is quitting as the Liberal leader after his party took an electoral drubbing on Monday night.
The Liberals were reduced to 34 seats in the House of Commons down from 77 and won only 18.9 per cent of the popular vote.
Not only did Ignatieff lead the party to its worst showing in its history, but he also lost his Toronto-area seat in Etobicoke-Lakeshore.
Ignatieff told a news conference that he will "not remain leader of party" and "will arrange succession in due time."
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/story/2011/05/03/cv-election-ignatieff-future.html
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Iggy Quit. Two leaders gone in a single election.
You think the election results just MIGHT be propagated by a singular disgust with Canadian voters and liberal/Green/NDP policies?
Sorta like what happened here in Nov '10?
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You think the election results just MIGHT be propagated by a singular disgust with Canadian voters and liberal/Green/NDP policies?
Sorta like what happened here in Nov '10?
:whistling:
Quite possibly.
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Canada's Conservatives score massive election win (http://www.petoskeynews.com/news/nationworld/sns-rt-international-us-potre73q447-20110501,0,3237547.story)
OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada's Conservatives stormed to a decisive victory in Monday's federal election, winning 54 percent of the seats in Parliament and securing a stable four-year term in power after vowing to focus on the economy.
The Conservatives grabbed 167 seats in Canada's Parliament, well above the 155 they needed to transform their minority government into a majority, according to provisional results. They won about 40 percent of the vote, beating expectations.
The victory, a relief for Canadian financial markets, left support for the separatist Bloc Quebecois in tatters and the party's leader without a seat. Bloc Quebecois advocates independence for the province of Quebec.
The Liberals, who have ruled Canada for more years than any other party, were reduced to a dismal third place showing with their worst ever seat haul. >>>
"With a Conservative majority, you're essentially assured a fairly business-friendly platform, low taxes, continued investment in energy and potential future energy projects. In terms of investment it's definitely got a bullish bias."
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This is great news for Canada, if the conservatives in Canada are not of the RINO variety we have here in the States.
:cheersmate:
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I like the NDP with the exception of a few things, I think that Jack Layton is a good person to lead the party and the NDP does a good job most of the time when choosing candidates. The know what many Canadians want, they just don't realise money doesn't grow on trees.
This says it better then I could...
(http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/canada2011.png)
Your nation's politics must be all kinda ****ed up if you have the Green Party in the center.
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Your nation's politics must be are all kinda ****ed up if you have the Green Party in the center.
Fixed it.
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Fixed it.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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Fixed it.
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That'll earn you a well-deserved h5.
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:rotf:
That'll earn you a well-deserved h5.
The Lil Buddy kinda grows on ya after a while, eh? He might be Canadian, and he might (maybe still?) be a liberal, but he is our Canadian liberal. :-)
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The Lil Buddy kinda grows on ya after a while, eh? He might be Canadian, and he might (maybe still?) be a liberal, but he is our Canadian liberal. :-)
Yeah, I give him credit for putting up with the abuse -- but I've got a sneaking suspicion that compaqxp is a closet conservative in a truly moonbat batshit crazy part of his country.
He's looking for a HOME, for God's sake and he's found it HERE!
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Yeah, I give him credit for putting up with the abuse -- but I've got a sneaking suspicion that compaqxp is a closet conservative in a truly moonbat batshit crazy part of his country.
He's looking for a HOME, for God's sake and he's found it HERE!
:rotf: :lmao:
Icksnay on the onservative-cay? Ain't no reason to out the poor buddy. :-)
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Canada has their own elections? :???:
I just thought, that's where the runner up in America's election went. :thatsright:
:-) JK, great thread!
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Does anybody remember reading one story about this historical conservative ascendancy in Canada? I mean, in the American MS News Media? The elections in Canada has shocked all of the so-called experts here who poo-pooed this possibility all the way up to the elections. And now? Now that reality has slapped them upside their ivy league indoctrinated noggins, they are mute. Not a sound. Not a word from them. Nothing -- anywhere. Just crickets.
Now what do you suppose this means for the coming elections here? Nothing? Really?? Have you read how that King Stinky is a shoe in? Unbeatable? How conservative have to throw all their principles completely out the window if they are to have any chance of winning? So we MUST nominate another linguine spine "moderate" to have any chance. And this -- this is the advise from the so-called ivy league intelligentsia.
Yup. Americans are predicted to head to the polls in droves to vote for another 4 years of this .... This what? Another 4 years of higher unemployment, 4 more years of higher gas prices, 4 more years of people forced from their homes and higher taxes. Yup. If we like $4 gal gas, we should love $6 gal gas. If we like 9% unemployment, we should love 11 or 12% unemployment ... and more people on the government dole.
Have you listened to their logic? This is essentially what they are trying to get us to believe. Do you think most Americans are going to buy this shit sandwich?
:popcorn:
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What the GOP can learn from Canada’s Conservatives (http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2011/05/what-gop-can-learn-canada-s-conservatives)
>>> Canada held an election last Monday and the result was anything but boring. It amounts to something like a revolution in Canadian politics and has lessons, I think, for those of us south of the border.
The headline story is that the Conservative Party of Prime Minister Stephen Harper, who has headed minority governments since 2006, won an absolute majority of seats, 167 of 308, in the House of Commons. It was a result practically no Canadian pundit or psephologist predicted. >>>
But the installation of a majority government by itself is not a political revolution. The biggest changes in Canada were indicated by the devastating defeats of two of the opposition parties.
The Bloc Quebecois was reduced from 50 seats to only four. Formerly it represented most of Canada’s second-largest province. Now it represents a tiny rump. >>>
The third huge development is the humiliating third-place finish of the Liberal party, the pre-eminent party in Canada since its first election in 1867. Liberals headed governments for 70 years in the 20th century and have provided most of Canada’s well-known prime ministers — Wilfrid Laurier, William Lyon Mackenzie King, Lester Pearson, Pierre Elliott Trudeau. >>>
The Conservatives’ triumph offers a couple of lessons that may be relevant to U.S. Republicans. One is that smaller-government policies, far from being political poison, are actually vote winners.
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We are in a war and are (presently) losing. Pawlenty, Romney, Daniels, et al will be a slower pace over the cliff as there can be no reform under (hands across the aisle) moderates. A pox on all houses that bash Palin and Bachman, Cain and West, and others who believe that there is no hope in moderation when the enemy is evil. We can and must turn this war around.
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Does anybody remember reading one story about this historical conservative ascendancy in Canada? I mean, in the American MS News Media? The elections in Canada has shocked all of the so-called experts here who poo-pooed this possibility all the way up to the elections. And now? Now that reality has slapped them upside their ivy league indoctrinated noggins, they are mute. Not a sound. Not a word from them. Nothing -- anywhere. Just crickets.
Now what do you suppose this means for the coming elections here? Nothing? Really?? Have you read how that King Stinky is a shoe in? Unbeatable? How conservative have to throw all their principles completely out the window if they are to have any chance of winning? So we MUST nominate another linguine spine "moderate" to have any chance. And this -- this is the advise from the so-called ivy league intelligentsia.
Yup. Americans are predicted to head to the polls in droves to vote for another 4 years of this .... This what? Another 4 years of higher unemployment, 4 more years of higher gas prices, 4 more years of people forced from their homes and higher taxes. Yup. If we like $4 gal gas, we should love $6 gal gas. If we like 9% unemployment, we should love 11 or 12% unemployment ... and more people on the government dole.
Have you listened to their logic? This is essentially what they are trying to get us to believe. Do you think most Americans are going to buy this shit sandwich?
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That should be used by whoever wins the nomination everyday until the election