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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: formerlurker on April 21, 2011, 06:00:13 AM
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Senate votes to end tests for seniors renewing license
By TOM FAHEY
State House Bureau Chief
9 hours, 10 minutes ago
CONCORD – Drivers over age 75 would no longer be required to take driving tests to renew their licenses under a bill the Senate approved Thursday.
The Senate passed House Bill 549 (click to view status), which ends a state requirement that all drivers over 75 take the test. The House passed the bill last month.
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Senate+votes+to+end+tests+for+seniors+renewing+license&articleId=b51da433-0f60-4a4c-ae95-5406f966d444
The best part is they don't need to have auto insurance either in the personal responsibility state of NH. Keep them the hell within the borders of NH please.
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I didn't know any state DID have a mandatory test for elders, but I think it's a good idea.
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Around here, we have TONS of elderly people and a good majority of them shouldn't be driving, IMO. They're always causing slow ups, near accidents (if others weren't watching out for them), and other problems. Seriously, 15 MPH in a 35 MPH zone?? People can run faster than many of them drive. Also, around here, the elderly are notorious for stopping on a freeway entrance ramp of trying to merge in 70 MPH traffic at 40-45MPH.
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http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Senate+votes+to+end+tests+for+seniors+renewing+license&articleId=b51da433-0f60-4a4c-ae95-5406f966d444
The best part is they don't need to have auto insurance either in the personal responsibility state of NH. Keep them the hell within the borders of NH please.
And while you're at it, keep the Massholes on your side of the border. None of ya'll can drive worth a shit. Ever heard of turn signals? Must not have cause ya never ****in use them. Following distance? Pfft. Lights? Merely a suggestion.
If you want to keep this thread alive, we'll post stories...I'll start with all the ****ing Masshole idiots getting killed at Bike Week up in Laconia come June.
Or better yet, this one was a hoot:
LINK (http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/908848-196/police-seek-driver-after-three-car-crash-on.html)
Now, to your point, should seniors be required to test more often? Yes. Do they in every state? No.
Oh, and LOOKY HERE--MASSHOLE SENIORS AREN'T REQUIRED TO TEST EITHER!!!!
LINK 2 (http://www.dmv.com/ma/massachusetts/senior-drivers)
LINK 3 (http://www.tomkileylaw.com/library/haverhill-personal-injury-attorney-car-accident-haverhill-ma-auto/)
Illinois and New Hampshire are the only states that require senior drivers to perform a road test when seeking license renewal.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Now stay on your ****ing side of the border already.
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Gee, Sparky, sounds like you were stuck behind a blue-hair with Massawhatsit plates on your way in today!
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Gee, Sparky, sounds like you were stuck behind a blue-hair with Massawhatsit plates on your way in today!
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Zeit can back me up on a lot of the more annoying habits of Masshole/transplant drivers. Granted, native "downeaster" Maine drivers are no better with their philosophy of never driving their car faster than they can drive their tractors, but hey, they're easily enough avoided.
Frankly, FL likes sniping at NH only because she'd move up here in a half-second, given the chance.
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P7_t4-WsB8[/youtube]
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We get out-of-towners and retirees doing 40 on the 55mph road that runs by the airport. It's a PITA when some of us have to get to work on time.
I almost got run into by the same blue minivan twice yesterday on the same stretch of road. :bird:
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And while you're at it, keep the Massholes on your side of the border. None of ya'll can drive worth a shit. Ever heard of turn signals? Must not have cause ya never ****in use them. Following distance? Pfft. Lights? Merely a suggestion.
If you want to keep this thread alive, we'll post stories...I'll start with all the ****ing Masshole idiots getting killed at Bike Week up in Laconia come June.
Or better yet, this one was a hoot:
LINK (http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/908848-196/police-seek-driver-after-three-car-crash-on.html)
Now, to your point, should seniors be required to test more often? Yes. Do they in every state? No.
Oh, and LOOKY HERE--MASSHOLE SENIORS AREN'T REQUIRED TO TEST EITHER!!!!
LINK 2 (http://www.dmv.com/ma/massachusetts/senior-drivers)
LINK 3 (http://www.tomkileylaw.com/library/haverhill-personal-injury-attorney-car-accident-haverhill-ma-auto/)
Illinois and New Hampshire are the only states that require senior drivers to perform a road test when seeking license renewal.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Now stay on your ****ing side of the border already.
MA insurance rates are through the roof because we have a steady stream of those personal responsibility assholes who travel into MA every single day to work, cause accidents, and have no insurance to pay for the damage they cause. Add to that the amount of NH residents who travel to the Cape, Boston and Fenway for tourist reasons and we see one hell of a lot more traffic coming into MA than MA residents going into NH.
MA police officers are allowed to pull over a senior citizen, impound their vehicle and take away their license until they pass a test at the registry should they be spotted driving erratically, or doing 20 mph on the highway.
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MA insurance rates are through the roof because we have a steady stream of those personal responsibility assholes who travel into MA every single day to work, cause accidents, and have no insurance to pay for the damage they cause. Add to that the amount of NH residents who travel to the Cape, Boston and Fenway for tourist reasons and we see one hell of a lot more traffic coming into MA than MA residents going into NH.
MA police officers are allowed to pull over a senior citizen, impound their vehicle and take away their license until they pass a test at the registry should they be spotted driving erratically, or doing 20 mph on the highway.
Horse. ****ing. SHIT. You make it sound like NH is the source of all your problems. I am throwing the bullshit flag high, and throwing it far.
NH uninsured rates are less than most portions of the country, and they can still be cited by police (depending upon the state) for not having insurance, or at least be forced to post bond for any "at-fault" accident, whether in NH or another state. The reason your rates are so friggin high is for several reasons--higher theft rates, and higher ACCIDENT rates, usually caused by idiot drivers. They're certainly not limited to any state, but having held licenses in NM, FL, IL, GA, CO, CA, HI, and NH, allow me to make a few anecdotal observations, if I may:
--Mass. drivers ARE the worst overall. They tailgate. They drive on the shoulder. They yak on their cellphones and text while driving. Then they notice they're missing their exit and cut over four lanes in an attempt to make their exit, and give a rat's ass about the C&J bus that just had to slam and swerve to avoid being hit by said asshole. To use a turn signal would be considered a sign of weakness. I've seen them make left turns out of the right lane, INTO traffic. They do not yield when merging into traffic. Pedestrians? Crosswalks? **** 'em, they shoulda drove!
And seriously, what the **** is up with your teenagers with their ****ing feet up on the dash or in the driver's window while they drive? Seriously?
http://www.ircweb.org/news/IRC_UM_012109.pdf
http://www.carinsurance.com/kb/content37760.aspx
Oh, and again, travel to any border town in NH. Travel up to Lake Winni. Conway. The ski resorts. The liquor stores on I-93 and I-95, and the Portsmouth traffic circle. All Massholes, all the ****ing time. I can count more MA plates than anything else on any given weekend, especially holiday weekends, or when the leaves are turning, etc. Yes, even more than NH plates.
So before you cast the first stone, FL...
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I just saw your post in which you claim I would move to NH "given the chance."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA -- OMG, why in the hell would anyone move there? the poor red-headed step-cousin of New England?
Born and raised in New England, casualty adjuster in MA. I know what I speak. Your anecdotal observations of a few MA residents passing through are amusing. Come talk to a state trooper in MA who works 93. You will get properly schooled on NH drivers.
Oh and yes, we get out of state drivers from all over the Northeast. However, it is by far the majority of NH residents who travel down to work in Boston daily.
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OMG, why in the hell would anyone move there? the poor red-headed step-cousin of New England?
Born and raised in New England, casualty adjuster in MA. I know what I speak. Your anecdotal observations of a few MA residents passing through are amusing. Come talk to a state trooper in MA who works 93. You will get properly schooled on NH drivers.
Oh and yes, we get out of state drivers from all over the Northeast. However, it is by far the majority of NH residents who travel down to work in Boston daily.
Actually, it's Rhode Island that's the poor red-headed stepchild. I always heard of RI referred to as the "Kentucky of New England". And ask about 200,000 of your fellow Massholes who have moved here since the 70's why they'd move here.
And while anecdotal, certainly not isolated. I know a few NH troopers who will tell you a few stories of idiots at Laconia, etc., or dipshits getting lost in the mountains, running through the Dover and Rochester tolls at 80 mph, etc. My personal fave is the idiot from Mass who died of hypothermia on Mount Washington. IN JULY! No wonder we had to pass a law charging people for their rescue if they were negligent and unprepared.
Drive through Seabrook, Nashua, Salem, etc., on any given weekend. Tell me I'm wrong.
ETA: Oh, and the reason you have "so many people" from NH working in Boston is because you can't get enough of your own people to qualify, pass the drug test, criminal background checks, et al. This from a guy who's closer to Boston than you, dear.
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Dear God -- NH calling RI the red headed step cousin. Where the hell is Coco to enjoy this with me?
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Google Newport, RI and tell the class what you learn. :wink:
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Navy OCS? Naval Postgraduate School? IOW, places for the kiddies who couldn't get into ROTC and the Academy.
You've heard of Aristotle? Plato? Socrates? All morons!
Google Dartmouth. Alan Shepard. The Dublin Juvenile Library. The credit union. Carlton Fisk. The Transatlantic telegraph cable. Tupperware. Bretton Woods Agreement. The snowmobile. The chair ski lift. Dan Brown. Robert Frost. P. J. O'Rourke. Mark Steyn. Your beloved Don Orsillo. David Petraeus. The first state constitution.
And tell the class what YOU learn.
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Newport RI is where some of the richest (old rich) families in the world live. Take a drive down sometime then tell me how that compares to Cowhampshire.
History? MA kind of has it all beat. ;)
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Yah--you've gone from Patrick Henry and, "Give me liberty, or give me death!" to Barney Frank and, "Spread your ass cheeks so I can **** you to death!!!"
Some kind of beat you've got...
And Newport? Pfft...it's where Kerry goes to escape taxes. Go to Rye, York, et al, and tell me there ain't some serious money there. Ditto some of the properties around Lake Winnipesaukee. Your hero Mitt "Olive Oil Hair" Romney has a nice spread up there, I hear. Ditto Drew Barrymore, Jimmy Fallon, et al...funny how they're treated like normal people up here, ain't it?
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This thread reminds me of two monkeys trying to **** a football. :lmao:
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This thread reminds me of two monkeys trying to **** a football. :lmao:
STFU before we march to the ****ing sea and burn Atlanta AGAIN.
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Ooh vacation homes, yeah that's the same. Hahaha.
The great gasby...... not the poor cousin of New England.
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This thread reminds me of two monkeys trying to **** a football. :lmao:
Gina with a very revealing pic in 3....2....1.....
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Gina with a very revealing pic in 3....2....1.....
Only if it's got your face on the monkey's ass. Come to think of it, don't do that, Gina. The monkey's ass looks better.
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Ooh vacation homes, yeah that's the same. Hahaha.
The great gasby...... not the poor cousin of New England.
Newport, RI--a flower in a pile of shit. Yeah, that'll work.
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STFU before we march to the ****ing sea and burn Atlanta AGAIN.
Bring it.
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Only if it's got your face on the monkey's ass. Come to think of it, don't do that, Gina. The monkey's ass looks better.
:rotf: :lmao:
Kinda sounds like you know a LOT about monkey's asses.
Now why would that be?
:whistling:
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:rotf: :lmao:
Kinda sounds like you know a LOT about monkey's asses.
Now why would that be?
:whistling:
I know a few airedales.
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Bring it.
Meh, screw it. We'll just sit off the coast and lob a few hundred Tomahawks your way instead. :tongue:
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Meh, screw it. We'll just sit off the coast and lob a few hundred Tomahawks your way instead. :tongue:
Oh cool! A skeet meetup! Pull!
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I know a few airedales.
Thank God somebody does. :-)
Those guys are all lonely 'n shit.....
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Oh cool! A skeet meetup! Pull!
Yeah, that worked out so well for Saddam and Mohmar...
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Yeah, that worked out so well for Saddam and Mohmar...
Hajis can't shoot for shit. Rednecks can. :fuelfire:
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Hajis can't shoot for shit. Rednecks can. :fuelfire:
Which would explain why I see 500 shots and 1 person hit in the latest Boston area shooting on WHDH every night.
We shoot something, we HIT something.
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Newport, RI--a flower in a pile of shit. Yeah, that'll work.
I shipped for Newport and yes it is an upgrade from Norfolk but it ain't all angel farts and rainbows. RI, the RHSC of NE ? Yeah, I can buy that. Cranston, Providence, Newport, the Foxy Lady and the Mob. That is RI. And I have it on good authority they are right up there with Maine in coffee brandy consumption.
Mass drivers are the worst. They come to NH to escape but bring their bad habits with them. I have known numerous raters from Liberty which had the good sense to escape Mass in the late sixties. Scary stories.
Was up your way today, will they ever finish RT 16? Is every state cop in NH up there?
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October of 2013. Yeah, I live up past Exit 16. It's gonna be a HOOT come summertime with all the Massholes trying to get to Conway and the lake.
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MA drives through NH to get to Maine and VT -- I rarely if ever stop anywhere in NH, and can't remember the last time I went to Lake Winnepesake (I do love it there). We have Cape Cod, and the islands. NH is not exactly the top tourist spot of NE.
Newport is old money. It is absolutely gorgeous, as is a lot of RI. Comparing RI to NH is apples to oranges. The poorest state in New England is hands down New Hampshire. Maine has the entire coast line of tourist business and multi-million dollar property. VT, besides for being just breath taking beautiful, is the real ski country of the six states.
That is the way it has always been. No one longs to live in New Hampshire, unless you are from there.
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The poorest state in New England is hands down New Hampshire.
Wow. That last post was almost vesta-esque in it's total lack of coherence and utter bullshit.
But let's just focus on the statement you posted there, shall we?
LINK (http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/28/the-poorest-states-of-america/)
The rate was highest in Mississippi, at 21.9 percent, and lowest in New Hampshire, where 8.5 percent of residents live in poverty. There were only four other states besides New Hampshire that had poverty rates below 10 percent: Alaska, Connecticut, Maryland and New Jersey.
Psst...that means MA has a HIGHER rate of poverty than NH.
LINK 2 (http://www.census.gov/statab/ranks/rank33.html)
2007 Median Household Income
State Avg. Household Income Rank
Connecticut 65,967 3
New Hampshire 62,369 6
Massachusetts 62,365 7
Maine 45,888 35
Rhode Island 53,568 17
Vermont 49,907 21
The game. You lose.
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MA drives through NH to get to Maine and VT -- I rarely if ever stop anywhere in NH, and can't remember the last time I went to Lake Winnepesake (I do love it there). We have Cape Cod, and the islands. NH is not exactly the top tourist spot of NE.
Newport is old money. It is absolutely gorgeous, as is a lot of RI. Comparing RI to NH is apples to oranges. The poorest state in New England is hands down New Hampshire. Maine has the entire coast line of tourist business and multi-million dollar property. VT, besides for being just breath taking beautiful, is the real ski country of the six states.
That is the way it has always been. No one longs to live in New Hampshire, unless you are from there.
And I would be fine if we could do a big dig under or over so they could go direct. :tongue:
As long as they leave their money for booze, butts, lottery tickets, and, tolls I am just fine with them speeding on their way to ME or VT.
Interested parties may enjoy this:
the most millionaire/billionaires in the nation live in New Jersey according to a recent survey. 2nd place goes to Maryland.
The East Coast dominated the survey done by Phoenix Marketing International, with Connecticut ranking third, Massachusetts fifth, Virginia sixth, Delaware eighth and New Hampshire ninth.
Millionaires call Md. home, study finds - Baltimore Business Journal:
According to the NH secretary of state - the list of NH millionaire/billionaires is a book of more than 60 pages.
Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/new-hampshire/313137-nh-rich-do-they-really-live.html#ixzz1KC4JMW1U
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population of MA:
6,593,587 - Jul 2009
Popuation of NH:
1,324,575 - Jul 2009
Property value (2008):
Massachusetts . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $353,600
New Hampshire .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $264,700
http://www.census.gov/prod/2009pubs/acsbr08-6.pdf
Personal Income in Current and Constant (2000) Dollars by State:
1990 to 2005
[In billions of dollars (4,861.9 represents $4,861,900,000,000). Represents a measure of income received from all sources during
the calendar year by residents of each state. Data exclude federal employees overseas and U.S. residents employed by private
U.S. firms on temporary foreign assignment. Totals may differ from those in Tables 654, 655, and 657]
Massachusetts $254.6
New Hampshire $45.2
Top Ten Wealthiest Towns in America
9. Weston, Mass.
Population: 11,700
Median household income: $180,549
Median home price: $1,384,268
Amount spent on vacations/yr: $10,315
Great schools, low crime and quaint cultural offerings attract local sports heroes like New England Patriots head coach Bill Bellichick, Boston Celtics legendary forward John Havlicek, and Boston Red Sox first baseman David Ortiz to this Boston suburb. Regis College is a well-kept secret of excellence in education in a prototype bedroom community just 10 miles from Beantown.
http://www.notesbit.com/index.php/web-blog/you-know/americas-top-10-wealthiest-towns-per-capita-income-basis/
pssst -- NH isn't listed.
25 Top Earning Towns
9. Wellesley, MA
Population: 26,113
Median family income: $172,900
Median home price: $861,000
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/moneymag/0807/gallery.bplive_topearners.moneymag/25.html
We could go on all dang day. Y'all haven't spent much time in the extremely affluent suburbs of Boston have you?
10% of NH working adults commute to MA to work. What the hell does that tell you?
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Wow. That last post was almost vesta-esque in it's total lack of coherence and utter bullshit.
But let's just focus on the statement you posted there, shall we?
LINK (http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/28/the-poorest-states-of-america/)
Psst...that means MA has a HIGHER rate of poverty than NH.
LINK 2 (http://www.census.gov/statab/ranks/rank33.html)
2007 Median Household Income
State Avg. Household Income Rank
Connecticut 65,967 3
New Hampshire 62,369 6
Massachusetts 62,365 7
Maine 45,888 35
Rhode Island 53,568 17
Vermont 49,907 21
The game. You lose.
Don't bring a knife to a gun fight Sparky. I was born and raised in MA, and have traveled throughout New England my entire life. Save for a few vacation homes in NH, you can't hold a candle to the suburbs of Boston, or even some of the suburbs of Worcester.
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Oh, and household income does not equate to the wealth of the state. Mmmkay?
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Worst States for Property Taxes
The Tax Foundation found that homeowners in these states paid the most in property taxes compared to home value. The percentages represent the percentage of home value that homeowners pay in property taxes.
New Jersey - 1.89%
New Hampshire - 1.86%
Texas - 1.81%
Wisconsin - 1.76%
Nebraska - 1.70%
Illinois - 1.73%
Connecticut - 1.63%
Michigan - 1.62%
Vermont - 1.59%
North Dakota - 1.42%
http://taxes.about.com/od/statetaxes/a/property-taxes-best-and-worst-states.htm
Y'all can remain #1 (of the NE states) in this area. :-)
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We could go on all dang day. Y'all haven't spent much time in the extremely affluent suburbs of Boston have you?
10% of NH working adults commute to MA to work. What the hell does that tell you?
Actually, I have. And they're just as much a bunch of stuck up assholes as anyplace else, including LA, NYC, Miami, etc.
And probably 25-30 percent of MY plant co-workers are Massholes. What the hell does that tell YOU?
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Property value (2008):
Massachusetts . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $353,600
New Hampshire .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $264,700
http://www.census.gov/prod/2009pubs/acsbr08-6.pdf
And BTW--guess what that $350K buys you in MA? And guess what that $265K buys in NH? I'm well under the "average" for NH. I have land, a brand new house, and plenty of room between me and my neighbors. You have a bunch of idiots paying 7 figures for a condo in the Back Bay driving the average out of ****ing sight.
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Worst States for Property Taxes
The Tax Foundation found that homeowners in these states paid the most in property taxes compared to home value. The percentages represent the percentage of home value that homeowners pay in property taxes.
New Jersey - 1.89%
New Hampshire - 1.86%
Texas - 1.81%
Wisconsin - 1.76%
Nebraska - 1.70%
Illinois - 1.73%
Connecticut - 1.63%
Michigan - 1.62%
Vermont - 1.59%
North Dakota - 1.42%
http://taxes.about.com/od/statetaxes/a/property-taxes-best-and-worst-states.htm
Y'all can remain #1 (of the NE states) in this area. :-)
Sales tax:
Massholistan: 6.25 percent.
New Hampshire: ZERO.
Income tax:
Massholistan: 5.85 percent.
New Hampshire: ZERO.
Care to go at it some more, hon?
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And BTW--guess what that $350K buys you in MA? And guess what that $265K buys in NH? I'm well under the "average" for NH. I have land, a brand new house, and plenty of room between me and my neighbors. You have a bunch of idiots paying 7 figures for a condo in the Back Bay driving the average out of ****ing sight.
Thanks for proving my point.
There is no demand for NH real estate, so you can practically give it away.
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Sales tax:
Massholistan: 6.25 percent.
New Hampshire: ZERO.
Income tax:
Massholistan: 5.85 percent.
New Hampshire: ZERO.
Care to go at it some more, hon?
Your outrageous real estate taxes mitigate that doesn't it?
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Actually, I have. And they're just as much a bunch of stuck up assholes as anyplace else, including LA, NYC, Miami, etc.
And probably 25-30 percent of MY plant co-workers are Massholes. What the hell does that tell YOU?
Clearly you haven't or you wouldn't have compared any town in NH to Wellesley, Weston, Cambridge, Sudbury, Southboro, Northboro,.............
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Thanks for proving my point.
There is no demand for NH real estate, so you can practically give it away.
Um, that's where you'd be wrong. Look at California. The average home price there is still well north of $500K, but you can't GIVE the shit away. Does that make them better than MA?
Homes in my area are on the market an average of less than a month. Can you make the same claim? What I'm saying is that you get more for your money, my obtuse little friend. Try putting my humble abode in MA and tell me I wouldn't get SIGNIFICANTLY more for it than I do here. And I won't have to sell my soul to live in a liberal "paradise" such as the one you inhabit.
And clearly, I also wouldn't want to compare any NH towns to Dorchester, Lynn, Saugus, Revere, Brockton, Raynham, Boston....shit goes both ways.
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Your outrageous real estate taxes mitigate that doesn't it?
Outrageous? Hardly. I pay $4500/year in property tax.
Were I to work in MA, with my current salary, and a "average" home there, I'd pay the following:
(I'm using my coworker's example who lives in Groveland. He pays about $4K a year in property taxes.)
Then add in the $6000 in state taxes I'd be paying.
Then add in the sales tax on all the shit I buy there.
Tell me I'm paying more again? You'd be wrong. Oh so very wrong.
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Outrageous? Hardly. I pay $4500/year in property tax.
Were I to work in MA, with my current salary, and a "average" home there, I'd pay the following:
(I'm using my coworker's example who lives in Groveland. He pays about $4K a year in property taxes.)
Then add in the $6000 in state taxes I'd be paying.
Then add in the sales tax on all the shit I buy there.
Tell me I'm paying more again? You'd be wrong. Oh so very wrong.
Compared to what your house is worth? yeah that is high.
My mill rate is under $13. Southern NH mill rate?
http://www.brinrealty.com/index.php/Resources/Property-Taxes-in-Southern-New-Hampshire.html
Milford NH mill rate is $32? Are you freakin kidding me right now? Yeah that is SOOOOOO much better than paying sales and income tax.
This thread has long passed it's usefulness. :yawn:
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Your outrageous real estate taxes mitigate that doesn't it?
You really need to look at total tax burden not selective cherry picking of real estate taxes. On the whole, Mass costs more. Now don't make me get out of my chair again or things will get ugly. :-)
Real estate tax rates are difficult at best to compare. But for just for chuckles here arethe current rates for a few local towns around P_town north: Greenland 13.55, Hampton 16.28, P_town 17.09. And then you also have New Castle, 4.97 ( but houses cost considerably more than "average" there) Newington 8.91, Rye 9.82. The liberal hell holes of Roach-chester 22.94 and Scummersworth 25.81 have higher taxes and lower property values.
Why are illegal immigrants increasing and native son's and daughters decreasing in Mass? This has been a trend since at least the ninties. I would suggest it is the extended welfare state mentality which creates overly high taxes. Mass has been trying to reduce its overall tax burden but it is still one of the least desirable places to live.
And on the topic of illegals, how many sanctuary cities does Mass have now? How many illegals are multiple driving offenders? Not only do they not have a green card most don't have a driver's license let alone insurance. Guess I will have to make some time to tune in to Howie Carr if he is even still on. :hammer:
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Um, that's where you'd be wrong. Look at California. The average home price there is still well north of $500K, but you can't GIVE the shit away. Does that make them better than MA?
Homes in my area are on the market an average of less than a month. Can you make the same claim? What I'm saying is that you get more for your money, my obtuse little friend. Try putting my humble abode in MA and tell me I wouldn't get SIGNIFICANTLY more for it than I do here. And I won't have to sell my soul to live in a liberal "paradise" such as the one you inhabit.
And clearly, I also wouldn't want to compare any NH towns to Dorchester, Lynn, Saugus, Revere, Brockton, Raynham, Boston....shit goes both ways.
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/906246-196/nh-home-sales-dip-in-2010.html
Uh-huh. :whatever:
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Compared to what your house is worth? yeah that is high.
My mill rate is under $13. Southern NH mill rate?
http://www.brinrealty.com/index.php/Resources/Property-Taxes-in-Southern-New-Hampshire.html
Milford NH mill rate is $32? Are you freakin kidding me right now? Yeah that is SOOOOOO much better than paying sales and income tax.
This thread has long passed it's usefulness. :yawn:
And yet here you remain, attempting to defend the indefensible.
You took a snarky potshot at NH for something even YOU don't do in your vaunted liberal paradise. I pointed that out to you, and away we go.
Virtually every survey/measurement taken, from Forbes on down, shows NH trounces MA (and virtually every other state) in almost every measurable quality-of-life metric. Our state/local tax burden is consistently among the 2-3 lowest in the nation, while MA is among the highest. Violent crime is almost unheard of here versus the everyday occurence in MA.
IOW, Live Free or Die means something to some people up here, at least for the time being. You use it as a punchline.
So in passing, since you find no fault with your little hellhole which should be nuked from orbit just to be sure, I'll leave you with a quote from a former resident of yours:
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
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http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/906246-196/nh-home-sales-dip-in-2010.html
Uh-huh. :whatever:
And of course, Boston metro has been totally unaffected by the downturn.
http://www.jparsons.net/housingbubble/boston.html
http://www.bostonbubble.com/
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You really need to look at total tax burden not selective cherry picking of real estate taxes. On the whole, Mass costs more. Now don't make me get out of my chair again or things will get ugly. :-)
Real estate tax rates are difficult at best to compare. But for just for chuckles here arethe current rates for a few local towns around P_town north: Greenland 13.55, Hampton 16.28, P_town 17.09. And then you also have New Castle, 4.97 ( but houses cost considerably more than "average" there) Newington 8.91, Rye 9.82. The liberal hell holes of Roach-chester 22.94 and Scummersworth 25.81 have higher taxes and lower property values.
Why are illegal immigrants increasing and native son's and daughters decreasing in Mass? This has been a trend since at least the ninties. I would suggest it is the extended welfare state mentality which creates overly high taxes. Mass has been trying to reduce its overall tax burden but it is still one of the least desirable places to live.
And on the topic of illegals, how many sanctuary cities does Mass have now? How many illegals are multiple driving offenders? Not only do they not have a green card most don't have a driver's license let alone insurance. Guess I will have to make some time to tune in to Howie Carr if he is even still on. :hammer:
Cambridge is the only "sanctuary city that I know of." Tourist areas, and areas with high commercial property will have a lower residential mill rate.
Speaking of deadbeats..... oh my bad, I mean the personal responsibility folks:
Of the $6.8 million that Massachusetts spent in 2009 on free medical care for out-of-staters — in direct violation of state policy, according to the IG — 30 percent, or $2.1 million, was spent on New Hampshire residents, 12 percent ($841,712) went to Rhode Islanders, and 10 percent ($676,298) to Connecticut residents, Sullivan said.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1327033
So add that to the premium increase to auto insurance that MA residents pay due to accidents with uninsured NH residents. We won't even talk about the state of our toll free roads y'all tear up in the daily commutes down here.
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And of course, Boston metro has been totally unaffected by the downturn.
http://www.jparsons.net/housingbubble/boston.html
http://www.bostonbubble.com/
Did I just claim that houses were flipping in a month's time? Nah, wasn't me. :whatever:
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Cambridge is the only "sanctuary city that I know of." Tourist areas, and areas with high commercial property will have a lower residential mill rate.
Cambridge, Mass. (Source: Boston Globe. First passed resolution in 1985)
Chelsea, Mass. (Added: 8-14-07 Source: Chelsea government website with text of sanctuary policy.)
Orleans, Mass. (6/13/07 Congressional Research Service)
And possibly Springfield.
You should read more.
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http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1327033
So add that to the premium increase to auto insurance that MA residents pay due to accidents with uninsured NH residents. We won't even talk about the state of our toll free roads y'all tear up in the daily commutes down here.
You should read more. Again. Then again, your "estimates" of MA uninsured motorists is grossly understated, and again, we're not much higher than you. Do we need to rehash that one again? Do we need to go into WHY your crime/theft rates drive up your insurance rates too?
And of course, Mass drivers NEVER tear up roads. Noooooooo...they float over the roads untouched, powered by unicorn farts. Well, when they're not driving on the ****ing shoulders.
Then again, if you ****ers knew how to BUILD and MAINTAIN a road without it costing 15 times more than it should (Big Dig, anyone? Mass Pike?) maybe they wouldn't be in such shit shape. BTW--when was the Mass Pike paid for? You know, when they were supposed to stop charging tolls? Sometime in the mid-80's, wasn't it?
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And yet here you remain, attempting to defend the indefensible.
You took a snarky potshot at NH for something even YOU don't do in your vaunted liberal paradise. I pointed that out to you, and away we go.
Virtually every survey/measurement taken, from Forbes on down, shows NH trounces MA (and virtually every other state) in almost every measurable quality-of-life metric. Our state/local tax burden is consistently among the 2-3 lowest in the nation, while MA is among the highest. Violent crime is almost unheard of here versus the everyday occurence in MA.
IOW, Live Free or Die means something to some people up here, at least for the time being. You use it as a punchline.
So in passing, since you find no fault with your little hellhole which should be nuked from orbit just to be sure, I'll leave you with a quote from a former resident of yours:
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
You are freakin out of your tree. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
You live there, so I guess you have to believe that. NH rocks baby. Just ask anyone in New England.
Industry, hospitals, college/universities, sports teams ---- all point to the heart of New England. But you keep drinking the cowhampshire Koolaid. How is your school system doing by the way? You do know MA is #1 in the country, oui?
:rotf:
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You should read more. Again. Then again, your "estimates" of MA uninsured motorists is grossly understated, and again, we're not much higher than you. Do we need to rehash that one again? Do we need to go into WHY your crime/theft rates drive up your insurance rates too?
And of course, Mass drivers NEVER tear up roads. Noooooooo...they float over the roads untouched, powered by unicorn farts. Well, when they're not driving on the ****ing shoulders.
Then again, if you ****ers knew how to BUILD and MAINTAIN a road without it costing 15 times more than it should (Big Dig, anyone? Mass Pike?) maybe they wouldn't be in such shit shape. BTW--when was the Mass Pike paid for? You know, when they were supposed to stop charging tolls? Sometime in the mid-80's, wasn't it?
Clearly you never venture down here as if you did you would note the tolls to enter the bestest state in the union -- live free or die (or just die) cowhampshire.
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You are freakin out of your tree. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
You live there, so I guess you have to believe that. NH rocks baby. Just ask anyone in New England.
Industry, hospitals, college/universities, sports teams ---- all point to the heart of New England. But you keep drinking the cowhampshire Koolaid. How is your school system doing by the way? You do know MA is #1 in the country, oui?
:rotf:
Boston = Los Angeles lite. And the "my shit don't stink" attitude that goes along with it.
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Cambridge, Mass. (Source: Boston Globe. First passed resolution in 1985)
Chelsea, Mass. (Added: 8-14-07 Source: Chelsea government website with text of sanctuary policy.)
Orleans, Mass. (6/13/07 Congressional Research Service)
And possibly Springfield.
You should read more.
Oh shucks, my bad.
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Clearly you never venture down here
Not if I can help it.
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I didn't know any state DID have a mandatory test for elders, but I think it's a good idea.
In Arizona we have to retest at age 65. I'm not sure if we then have to take a yearly driving test or what.
Obviously though, plenty of old doddering fools who believe they're driving Miss Daisy's covered wagon have managed to bypass our law by invading us every winter with their out of state licenses. I damn near blow a gasket every day driving down the highway for 5 miles because I can never pass these idiots (and it's inevitably someone who has retired and should have stayed in the pasture and off the road) as they insist on meandering along at 10-20 miles below the speed limit.
I am not anti-elderly, heck, I'm getting there rapidly myself. But, when everyone is passing me, honking, making rude gestures (I don't do this, but plenty of folks here get mightly pissed off), I think I will be smart enough to realize I'm no longer a safe driver.
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I have no problem with testing, particularly vision testing, every couple of years starting at age 60--that's when the real medical issues start kicking in. Yet funny how the group with the second-highest accident rate does not have nearly the restrictions placed on them as do teens (the highest rate).
But the potshots from the "holier than thou" section get old after a while. The MA "we're #1!" bullshit reminds me of why I left CA.
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I just love the FL/Sparky Adventure Hour. Warms the cockles of my widdle heart.... :lmao:
Anyway, after having living in MA for not quite 4 years back in the mid-to-late Seventies, yet somehow being shielded from the tax burden somewhat since I was active duty military at the time, the Commonwealth was not-too-affectionately called "Taxachusetts" for a reason.
Teddy was in his prime, and the people of the Bay State kept pulling the lever for him and the rest of his liberal brethren. I simply could not understand that.
Anyway, I did manage to foray up in NH a few times, gigged in Laconia, and otherwise enjoyed the visit. But I never lived there.
If it weren't for the damned shitty weather (I swear I'm gonna live in a state that sees snow only when Hell freezes over), I wouldn't mind it at all.
Oh -- the state liquor stores in NH were curious. I'd never seen that before.
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That's why God puts 10-12 feet of snow on the ground here every year--it's his way of asking, "Are you SURE you want to live here?"
The last bit of snow just melted from my yard a week ago. Still too early to plant. 29 degrees this morning. But at least the A/C bills in summer aren't for shit. Heating oil, OTOH... :fuelfire:
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I just love the FL/Sparky Adventure Hour. Warms the cockles of my widdle heart.... :lmao:
Meh, this is how Sparky and I debate -- we beat the snot out of each other. No crybabies allowed.
You should have seen us in the sports forum on another site. Good times.
Speaking of which. Sucks when you lose in your own crib doesn't it Sparky? Especially to the Red Sox who are sucking it up at a max level this April.
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I have no problem with testing, particularly vision testing, every couple of years starting at age 60--that's when the real medical issues start kicking in. Yet funny how the group with the second-highest accident rate does not have nearly the restrictions placed on them as do teens (the highest rate).
But the potshots from the "holier than thou" section get old after a while. The MA "we're #1!" bullshit reminds me of why I left CA.
Never said we were #1. Seriously? We are just far far better than cowhampshire. :-)
We do lead the country in public education, and have for a while.
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Meh, this is how Sparky and I debate -- we beat the snot out of each other. No crybabies allowed.
You should have seen us in the sports forum on another site. Good times.
Speaking of which. Sucks when you lose in your own crib doesn't it Sparky? Especially to the Red Sox who are sucking it up at a max level this April.
Enjoy 2007. It's the last you'll see of anything that says World Series on it for another 86 years. By then Big Popout will only be what, 121, 122 years old?
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Never said we were #1. Seriously? We are just far far better than cowhampshire. :-)
We do lead the country in public education, and have for a while.
Too bad it's all wasted on "Wymun's Studies" and other worthless bullshit. And don't give me Haaaaaahhh-vad or MIT. Ain't THAT many Asians in Mass.
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Not if I can help it.
If you find yourself crossing the Merrimack ask yourself "Is this trip really necessary?" and chances are you will realize it is not. If you are unsure, turn around, better to be safe than sorry; you can probably find what you are looking for in NH and if not you probably really don't need it anyway. :rotf:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/MerrimackPembroke.JPG)
Number one in Education? Um,I have corrected the MCAS. Don't lets get started on that. Lots of those kids are challenged trying to walk and chew gum.
And in fairness we did have a regime with Mean Jean Shaheen who rousted the young 'uns and bustled them of to big Ed's conformity factories. I always wonder how big Ed justifies kindergarten when the leading country in education, Finland, waits until at least seven. Poor little tykes standing on the corner with those heavy back packs, snatched away from hearth and home, forced to eat processed food. Oh the hugh manatees!! :rotf:
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If you find yourself crossing the Merrimack ask yourself "Is this trip really necessary?" and chances are you will realize it is not. If you are unsure, turn around, better to be safe than sorry; you can probably find what you are looking for in NH and if not you probably really don't need it anyway. :rotf:
Unless of course it was a first rate college education, world class life saving medical treatment or just to see a professional sports game...... then you are kind of screwed in the "don't need it anyway" department. :-)
Number one in Education? Um,I have corrected the MCAS. Don't lets get started on that. Lots of those kids are challenged trying to walk and chew gum.
And in fairness we did have a regime with Mean Jean Shaheen who rousted the young 'uns and bustled them of to big Ed's conformity factories. I always wonder how big Ed justifies kindergarten when the leading country in education, Finland, waits until at least seven. Poor little tykes standing on the corner with those heavy back packs, snatched away from hearth and home, forced to eat processed food. Oh the hugh manatees!! :rotf:
The 2010 year in education also confirmed our national leadership in education reform and student achievement.
Massachusetts students this year led the nation for the third time in a row on the National Assessment of Educational Progress in English and Math. They had the highest score on the SAT exams. They had the highest score on the ACT exams. This is further proof that the high expectations we have set, the hard work of our teachers, and the motivated effort of our students are combining in a manner that is expanding success.
http://www.mass.gov/Eoedu/docs/news/20110120_edu_in_2010.pdf
So I guess that means NH kids are still working on the opening the gum skills then -- chewing it not mastered?
Note that MA went to #1 I think starting in 2002, remained there for several years, were bumped down and then went to #1 again.
MCAS still the toughest assessment testing in the United States. Common Core Standards the messiah is pushing about 75% dumbed down from what our students are assessed at.
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Too bad it's all wasted on "Wymun's Studies" and other worthless bullshit. And don't give me Haaaaaahhh-vad or MIT. Ain't THAT many Asians in Mass.
Public education would be preschool through grade 12. :wink:
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Unless of course it was a first rate college education, world class life saving medical treatment or just to see a professional sports game...... then you are kind of screwed in the "don't need it anyway" department. :-)
http://www.mass.gov/Eoedu/docs/news/20110120_edu_in_2010.pdf
So I guess that means NH kids are still working on the opening the gum skills then -- chewing it not mastered?
Note that MA went to #1 I think starting in 2002, remained there for several years, were bumped down and then went to #1 again.
MCAS still the toughest assessment testing in the United States. Common Core Standards the messiah is pushing about 75% dumbed down from what our students are assessed at.
Here is an interesting link to roam around on since you mentioned it:
National Assessment of Educational Progress (http://www.nationsreportcard.gov/math_2009/)
Scores shift back and forth by a couple points between NH and MA for the top spot. Might be interesting to do a cost benefit analysis. :p
The MCAS and NECAP are both subject to state DOE meddling ( and not in a good way ). :argh:
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Here is an interesting link to roam around on since you mentioned it:
National Assessment of Educational Progress (http://www.nationsreportcard.gov/math_2009/)
Scores shift back and forth by a couple points between NH and MA for the top spot. Might be interesting to do a cost benefit analysis. :p
The MCAS and NECAP are both subject to state DOE meddling ( and not in a good way ). :argh:
I am very familiar with the site. Education policy is my playground.
In all seriousness, MA signing on to Common Core Standards (any state signing on actually) is disturbing on every level. Our commissioner had the audacity to state at a town hall meeting that the new standards won't cost a dime, no need for new textbooks or any professional development.
Sure Chester, I remember yesterday rather well and don't recall being born then. Coupe Deval is looking at this as a way to get $$ from Obama to replenish the stimulus funds we lost this year. Tossing high quality education to sign on to less than mediocre? riiiight, give us some more koolaid Deval.
We have bi-partisan legislation that was recently filed which effectively sticks the middle finger up at our Governor and the state's Board of Education. You can keep the hope and change Washington, we are keeping MCAS. Thanks just the same.
MCAS? I have heard the arguments. I know that it has risen the bar considerably for the students of this Commonwealth, and they are meeting it. Teachers would toss it out the window tomorrow, but I have no serious issues with it.
That all said, you should see the new proposed teacher evaluation regulations Chester is presenting to the BOE on Tuesday. My my my, it is pretty shocking stuff coming from the union owned governor as it tosses tenure out the window. Shit will hit the fan next week in the press (note the Globe did a train wreck of an article on it last week -- their facts however were sorely missing).
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the stimulus funds we lost this year
You just said a mouthful right there, FL. Statist much?
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You just said a mouthful right there, FL. Statist much?
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That is fact. The stimulus funds are done, and states are now sinking and/or careening off the cliff they have been barreling towards for a few years now.
The drastic measures to reign in public employee benefits we are seeing now (in MA of all places) should have occurred years ago in lieu of the government handout. Regardless of that opinion, we can't change the facts surrounding the states' present fiscal realities.
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My point being, what right did you EVER have to expect stimulus funds. Had there been no "stimulus" (i.e., union and state employee slush fund), what would you have done then?
IOW, the states SHOULD have careened off the cliff years ago because of their ineptitude and greed of their employees. Instead, we have a plethora of stories from ALL states about guys and gals who are making $70-80K a year in pension (!) and turning around and getting ANOTHER state job for $100K or more.
Patrick is a joke. This guy talks a good story but at the end of the day he's as bad as any of them. Same with Lynch.
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My point being, what right did you EVER have to expect stimulus funds. Had there been no "stimulus" (i.e., union and state employee slush fund), what would you have done then?
IOW, the states SHOULD have careened off the cliff years ago because of their ineptitude and greed of their employees. Instead, we have a plethora of stories from ALL states about guys and gals who are making $70-80K a year in pension (!) and turning around and getting ANOTHER state job for $100K or more.
Patrick is a joke. This guy talks a good story but at the end of the day he's as bad as any of them. Same with Lynch.
Which is what I just posted. :whatever:
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I do have to state about Patrick -- he is a mystery lately. He is the one who filed legislation with his budget that strips collective bargaining from public employee unions for health insurance. I think the GOP in my state are still stunned by this. The HWM filed their budget, and the house leadership are standing with Patrick on this issue. Fifty house members have signed on with the unions to fight it, so that leaves DeLeo needing the GOP to get this legislation passed.
Simply delicious.
Patrick's DESE then files proposed legislation completely overhauling teacher evaluations, to the tune of effectively stripping teachers of their professional status (i.e. "tenure") so they can be easily terminated for non-performance (the four prong standard for which to be very strict).
I am scratching my head over it all for sure.
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Which is what I just posted. :whatever:
Yes and no--where I focused was your statement which gave the appearance of Porkulus being some sort of "right" or "entitlement" which should have gone on ad infinitum.
What we SHOULD have been looking at for the past 40 years is telling all those assholes who come around with their hands out crying, "It's for the CHILDREN!!!" and saying to them, fine--if it's for the children, show us improvement in their education and that they're ready to enter the workforce by age 18, otherwise pound sand.
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The entitlement mentality now means handouts. When did it begin? I largely credit FDR with farm subsidies, unions, and a plethora of public works programs. A current theme one finds in dump conversation regarding social security is "What are you going to replace it with"? Ditto porkulus. Perhaps that is too obscure, both Republicans and dems fall for this line of reason. What would we do without _________ fill in the blank.
There is a vast difference between an entitlement and a handout. One is earned ( as in you are entitled to twenty dollars for five hours work.... ) the other is provided gratis (as in here is twenty bucks go buy a new coat).
FL you really need to correct some MCAS if you never have. When we say Mass is at the top of the heap it really doesn't tell the whole story. The underside of a rotten apple atop a barrel is still rotten. And yes, I have corrected more than just MCAS tests in multi disciplines at various levels. You cannot teach intelligence, scores always bear this out falling along a standard distribution. The best paper from Kentucky is very much like the best paper from NH or MA although the subject matter may reflect a local bias. As you go down the scale things go downhill rapidly. Once you pass a certain point even with MCAS it becomes obvious that kids are not being taught to think but rather regurgitate and that is pretty much what you get :puke:. ESL and SPED are even worse. It can make for a long day.
For anyone who has not read it I recommend 'Making The Grades' by Todd Farley (I could have scored next to this guy on any given occasion his accounts are very accurate)
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zeitgeist you cannot compare the urban districts to the rural and suburban areas of MA. The students in my district are bright to exceptionally bright for the most part. Our demographics are very small % of minorities and free lunch (which means we qualify for nada nothing in the grant department). Good teachers, kids come from two parent homes, with parents very involved and supportive of their schools. You will find this in most of the suburbs of the state.
That all said, you can't completely discount the socioeconomic factor for some of these students in the urban districts. Homeless, parents are gang bangers, abused, neglected. Public education hasn't determined a way to effectively teach students who are dealing with these type of issues at home, and who knows if they ever will. I have friends and family who try to teach these kids -- however, most of the teachers assigned to these schools aren't exactly what would be considered the best in education.
There is no need to fix MCAS. The need is for schools districts to know how to analyze the data received from these assessments, and to focus more on literacy -- reading/writing is the key to all areas of instruction.
How the hell do you motivate a child to learn who probably went to bed about 2 a.m., hungry, after experiencing God knows what from their POS parent, or guardians? You don't, or if you do it is because of a truly gifted teacher who found a way. We just don't have enough of those and until we do these assessments are going to have that cohort of students who aren't making the cut, in any way, shape or form.
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Yes and no--where I focused was your statement which gave the appearance of Porkulus being some sort of "right" or "entitlement" which should have gone on ad infinitum.
What we SHOULD have been looking at for the past 40 years is telling all those assholes who come around with their hands out crying, "It's for the CHILDREN!!!" and saying to them, fine--if it's for the children, show us improvement in their education and that they're ready to enter the workforce by age 18, otherwise pound sand.
Give me a f&*($% break Sparky -- don't project that bullshit on me.
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Give me a f&*($% break Sparky -- don't project that bullshit on me.
Hey, you said it, not me.
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Hey, you said it, not me.
No, I didn't. Your conjecture to a statement of fact (which was minus an opinion) is reaching to say the very least.
For giggles, let's see what happens here -- MA legislatures filed legislation which will turn away Common Core Standard money grab giveaways (the new Obama stimulus packaged under a different name). We will count how many other states will follow suit.
zeitgist talks about the concerns he has with scoring MCAS? what until he sees the testing for Common Core Standards. It dumbs down the curriculum about 75%.
We'll see how the conservative NH does in the money handouts. Then you can tell me all about entitlements and rights.
Sad when the bluest of blue states in the union will be one of the handful that says no thanks to a federal money handout. They all should be saying no.
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Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back just yet, hon.
I don't see anyone proposing doing away with forced unionization and going to right-to-work south of the Merrimack just yet. Do you?
And pragmatist I am, I know as well as you do that this "proposal" won't survive 10 seconds in the MA Legislature or Senate, or any version that DOES survive will be so watered down as to be useless. And at the end of the day, they'll dumb down the kids because the money is what's paramount here. Always has been, always will be.
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Thought I'd give this a little bump as well to include the following:
http://www.statemaster.com/graph/lif_bes_sta_to_liv-lifestyle-best-states-to-live