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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on April 14, 2011, 04:40:36 PM
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Webster Green (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-14-11 05:38 PM
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Freepers/wingnuts doomed to high electric bills because of their ideology.
Quite a number of the brain-dead extreme right refuse to use nanny-state CFLs, even though converting to CFLs can really take a nice chunk out of the electric bill. These dumb-asses really crack me up, since they are once again making decisions that are detrimental to themselves, yet they have no choice. They are slaves to their own rigid ideology, all the while raging about "freedom of choice".
They all seem to be kind of overly obsessed with the light bulb thing. I guess that's because it's something where they can actually affect change by doing their own personal (and very brave) sacrifice for the goal of taking back their country. I mean, they can't personally go and give all their money to billionaires. They need middlemen to achieve that. The incandescent bulb sets them free.....makes them soldiers...fighting for a cause. It's awesome.
o-o-ka-a-a-a-ay
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x893132
Tell you what jeenyuss. You live by YOUR philosophy and get one of those over-priced hybrid cars with the battery made of toxic metal that cannot be recycled, refurbished or resold.
How many incandescents is that worth?
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It could, if they actually produced more light for the wattage, lasted even half as long as their proponents claim on the average, and once you amortize the cost of them...and also assuming you completely disregard the lifecycle cost of disposing of hazardous waste and/or contaminating all the landfills with mercury residue.
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-14-11 05:42 PM
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1. Yep, they're more stupid than a bag of rocks! n/t
O-o-o-o!
Feel the burn freeper-bagger!
DefenseLawyer (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-14-11 05:45 PM
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2. In the town where I live the wingnuts hate "roundabouts"
You know, the circular intersections that replace traffic lights, reduce congestion and are cheaper to maintain? For some reason the crackpots here really, really hate them. There isn't a single LTE in the local paper from a conservative that doesn't mention the scourge of the roundabout which has attacked our way of life.
Yeah, they are pretty stupid but...what?
notesdev (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-14-11 05:45 PM
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3. It will be a moot point soon
We'll have cheap LED lighting commonly available before you know it, without the higher price and mercury risks of the CFLs, and without the energy use cost of incandescents.
And the world was saved after all.
hifiguy (540 posts) Thu Apr-14-11 05:56 PM
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4. They are not the, um, brightest bulbs to be found
now, are they.
heh...a light bulb pun...cuz those aren't obvious...in a thread about light bulbs
Here's a better one...
Conservatives: they get turned on faster
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Fuzz (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-14-11 06:00 PM
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5. And continuing to buy huge gas guzzlers because they are in a 'free country' isn't helping them
either. If you willingly purchase one of these vehicles and you live in a suburb and don't require it for some heavy work weekly, you don't have the right to complain about gas prices. imho
How about allowing the market to follow demand?
Yeah, they're smarter than us.
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Keep your laws off my bulbs!
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What happens in 5-10 years or so , when suddenly more people are needing glasses or contacts because of the poor quality light provided by CFL's?
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Keep your laws off my bulbs!
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In all seriousness, I have a good mix of CFL and regular bulbs on my property. I put the CFLs where I don't need to see, and the regular bulbs where lighting is important.
Anybody who has ever had to rely on the amount of light that a CFL bulb puts out when it is cold, and it is below ~40F outside, has cursed at least once in their life.
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What happens in 5-10 years or so , when suddenly more people are needing glasses or contacts because of the poor quality light provided by CFL's?
CFL's give me a headache, make my eyes burn and give off a crappy white light. You look like you are in a truck stop bathroom after drinking all night with CFL's.
My husband actually replaced the sockets to our dining room light fixture and the sconces on either side of our fireplace when we replaced the lighting in this house from a CFL sockets to regular sockets. All of these lights were on switches you can dim and you can't dim CFL's.
I hate the light they give off, plus they are ugly and look really stupid in lighting that the bulb shows. Even if they weren't shoving CFL's down our throat I wouldn't like them. We do have them in the bathroom we remodeled, only because we were going to give them an honest try. I'm just too lazy to replace them and I never use that bathroom (it's the main bathroom guests use and it's my daughters bathroom). It takes a minute before the light is totally "on" and I hate it. It also makes the bathroom look dingy. I think I'm going to go change the bulbs now that it's been brought up. I will have to use two bulbs from my stash, I've been hoarding them. I buy the regular bulbs when ever I remember when I'm at the store.
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I hate the CFLs - I have been experimenting with LED bulbs and they do seem significantly better. So, when I have money to spare, I buy a bulb or two. They work on dimmer switches, and claim to have ridiculous life spans ( up to 45 years or so ) and best of all, they look like normal light bulbs.
With that being said, I also have been hoarding regular incandescent bulbs... Just in case the LEDs prove to be unsuitable alternatives.
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CFL's give me a headache, make my eyes burn and give off a crappy white light. You look like you are in a truck stop bathroom after drinking all night with CFL's.
My husband actually replaced the sockets to our dining room light fixture and the sconces on either side of our fireplace when we replaced the lighting in this house from a CFL sockets to regular sockets. All of these lights were on switches you can dim and you can't dim CFL's.
I hate the light they give off, plus they are ugly and look really stupid in lighting that the bulb shows. Even if they weren't shoving CFL's down our throat I wouldn't like them. We do have them in the bathroom we remodeled, only because we were going to give them an honest try. I'm just too lazy to replace them and I never use that bathroom (it's the main bathroom guests use and it's my daughters bathroom). It takes a minute before the light is totally "on" and I hate it. It also makes the bathroom look dingy. I think I'm going to go change the bulbs now that it's been brought up. I will have to use two bulbs from my stash, I've been hoarding them. I buy the regular bulbs when ever I remember when I'm at the store.
Just changed them. I took the opportunity to clean the light fixture and sink. The lighting is seriously so much better.
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Webster Green (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-14-11 05:38 PM
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Freepers/wingnuts doomed to high electric bills because of their ideology.
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makes them soldiers...fighting for a cause. It's awesome.
Now hold on a second there sunshine.
I thought it was you folks over there on the left demanding emissions trading, carbon taxes and other such idiocies like "renewable" energy targets. Things that do little more than drive up the cost of electricity, a cost which unsurprisingly is passed directly onto the consumer. Thereby "dooming us" to those high electricity bills.
You might feel that you're some big brave captain planetesque type eco-warrior but in reality all you do is demand others take meaningless and expensive action towards a non-existent problem; action which in the long term does more harm than good. The long-term or system wide implications are lost on you because you can't see past that awesome cloud of smug you exude.
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Webster Green (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-14-11 05:38 PM
Original message
Freepers/wingnuts doomed to high electric bills because of their ideology.
Quite a number of the brain-dead extreme right refuse to use nanny-state CFLs, even though converting to CFLs can really take a nice chunk out of the electric bill. These dumb-asses really crack me up, since they are once again making decisions that are detrimental to themselves, yet they have no choice. They are slaves to their own rigid ideology, all the while raging about "freedom of choice".
They all seem to be kind of overly obsessed with the light bulb thing. I guess that's because it's something where they can actually affect change by doing their own personal (and very brave) sacrifice for the goal of taking back their country. I mean, they can't personally go and give all their money to billionaires. They need middlemen to achieve that. The incandescent bulb sets them free.....makes them soldiers...fighting for a cause. It's awesome.
And where exactly is the study that comes to the conclusion that "Freepers" have disdain for CFL's?
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CFL's have given me migraines in the past. Even if we changed all of our light bulbs to CFL's today, it's not really going to lower our electricity bill. Is lowering it by $1 a month really a big chunk?
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What happens in 5-10 years or so , when suddenly more people are needing glasses or contacts because of the poor quality light provided by CFL's?
Obamacare, dude, Obamacare. See how it all fits together?
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When I flip a light switch, I want light. I don't want to wait five minutes for the bulb to brighten up.
There's an old joke about a guy who was so fast he could flip the switch and be in bed before the room got dark. With CFLs, you can get up and turn on your lamp, and get dressed before the room gets light.
CFLs are dem bulbs.
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CFL's have given me migraines in the past. Even if we changed all of our light bulbs to CFL's today, it's not really going to lower our electricity bill. Is lowering it by $1 a month really a big chunk?
Just wait, in a few years there will be an epidemic of people getting migraines and eye problems from using CFL's. Just like how liberals forced us to use plastic bags to save the trees, now they are bad.
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The really stupid thing about CFLs is that unlike incandescent bulbs, there's no standard size no matter what wattage you get. The lesser wattage CFls are smaller, but the high wattage ones are larger than an incandescent bulb and don't fit in to every receptacle. The bathroom at our old house had a ceiling fixture with a light, exhaust fan and heating fan. I could not fit a larger wattage CFL into the spot for the bulb, so we were forced to use a dimmer light in the bathroom.
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I refuse to use the CFLs. Apparently the 100 watt incandescent bulbs will not be sold after January 1st, 2012. Next, the 75 and 60 watt bulbs won't be sold after January 1st, 2013. Then they do away with the evil 40 watt bulbs the next year.
I am stocking up on incandescent bulbs. Anytime I'm in Target, Wal-Mart, Lowe's, or Home Depot, I pick up a supply. I really don't care if it costs more to use them. I refuse to be told by the environmental wackos and Nancy Pelosi what kind of bulb to use in my house. Oh, and I keep my thermostat at 71 degrees during the summer.
:cheersmate:
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Using one kind of light bulb over another won't decrease or increase my monthly electric bill. I'm too busy turning my thermostat down so far in the summer I need a coat indoors and conversely turning up my heater in the winter so I need to wear no more than a bathing suit. :whatever:
But you DUmmies feel free to continue to :leghump: Al Gore and contribute more bucks to his Swiss bank accounts.
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When someone comes up with a CFL that produces instant quality light and doesn't cost $4-8 a bulb then I might buy into this scam a bit.
I bought a 52 inch LED ceiling fan a couple of months ago. It was on sale at Home Depot for $30. I thought I was getting a bargain. Turned out that I had to take the damn thing back because after all the work of installing it wouldn't produce light. When I carried it back I saw another one in the returns bin and had to wonder how many others made that trip back.
I as told by an Ace Hardware employee that incandescent bulbs will still be available to folks in states that have incandescent factories/businesses for as long as the company remains open. He also said that GA doesn't have an incandescent factory. Guess I'll have to sneak bulbs over a border somewhere when the time comes and my stash wears down.
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I have yet to see a CFL last anywhere near it's supposed lifetime.
They also don't work worth a poop in a dimmer type application.
I use them for the porch lights or in places that need long term lighting.
Frequently cycled areas or where instant light is needed...incandescent.
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You look like you are in a truck stop bathroom after drinking all night with CFL's.
Ugh. No way.
I refuse to use the CFL's, I don't give a shit what DUmmie Webster says. Damn right it's freedom of choice.
May I just point out the instructions from the EPA about disposing of these little monsters should they break? We've all seen it, I won't rehash it. So, a government that thinks we're too stupid to feed our children thinks we're all genius enough to handle 20+ steps that require Hazmat and OSHA certification? I'm not touching these things, I have been and will continue to hoard the incandescents, and already have a lovely and extensive collection.
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Ugh. No way.
I refuse to use the CFL's, I don't give a shit what DUmmie Webster says. Damn right it's freedom of choice.
May I just point out the instructions from the EPA about disposing of these little monsters should they break? We've all seen it, I won't rehash it. So, a government that thinks we're too stupid to feed our children thinks we're all genius enough to handle 20+ steps that require Hazmat and OSHA certification? I'm not touching these things, I have been and will continue to hoard the incandescents, and already have a lovely and extensive collection.
Just wait - in ten years or so they will discover people are getting cancer from CFLs and they will be banned.
I have at least 50 packages of the incandescent 100 watt bulbs and I will continue to buy them. Wonder if I can sell them on E-Bay around this time next year.
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If dem bulbs become mandatory (and there's still a chance to avoid that with legislation), they will spawn a black market just like we've already seen in toilets. Since the environuts got regulations to outlaw toilets that actually flush, plumbing supply houses in Canada have made a fortune selling the models that work, for smuggling back into the U.S.
There are countless really, really irritating and stupid government intrusions into our lives, like dem bulbs, non-flushing toilets, catalytic converters, seatbelt interlocks, plastic bag prohibitions, absurd non-smoking rules, hugely excessive handicapped parking, and everyone has their own list. Virtually none of the really stupid laws exist in legislation. None of them were ever subject to a vote by us or our representatives. They are all regulations written autonomously by zealots, to carry out what the zealots interpret to be the intent of legislation. But every word those zealots and environuts write becomes a law without being approved by the electorate or our representatives. Changing out low-level regulators and bureaucrats is as important as electing congressmen and senators, but it never happens, partly due to civil service rules, written by the same zealots.
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I have yet to see a CFL last anywhere near it's supposed lifetime.
They also don't work worth a poop in a dimmer type application.
I use them for the porch lights or in places that need long term lighting.
Frequently cycled areas or where instant light is needed...incandescent.
I have to say that in my practical experience, cycle frequency seems to be every bit as hard on bulb life for CFLs as it is for incandescents.
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I have to say that in my practical experience, cycle frequency seems to be every bit as hard on bulb life for CFLs as it is for incandescents.
Absolutely correct.
Thing is...
The dollar for IC sure beats five bucks for the CFL.
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I refuse to use the CFLs. Apparently the 100 watt incandescent bulbs will not be sold after January 1st, 2012. Next, the 75 and 60 watt bulbs won't be sold after January 1st, 2013. Then they do away with the evil 40 watt bulbs the next year.
I am stocking up on incandescent bulbs. Anytime I'm in Target, Wal-Mart, Lowe's, or Home Depot, I pick up a supply. I really don't care if it costs more to use them. I refuse to be told by the environmental wackos and Nancy Pelosi what kind of bulb to use in my house. Oh, and I keep my thermostat at 71 degrees during the summer.
:cheersmate:
Our bulbs are on clearance at the Target we frequent. Now that I am finally employed again, we will be stockpiling them. Too bad I don't have coupons.
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When someone comes up with a CFL that produces instant quality light and doesn't cost $4-8 a bulb then I might buy into this scam a bit.
I bought a 52 inch LED ceiling fan a couple of months ago. It was on sale at Home Depot for $30. I thought I was getting a bargain. Turned out that I had to take the damn thing back because after all the work of installing it wouldn't produce light. When I carried it back I saw another one in the returns bin and had to wonder how many others made that trip back.
I as told by an Ace Hardware employee that incandescent bulbs will still be available to folks in states that have incandescent factories/businesses for as long as the company remains open. He also said that GA doesn't have an incandescent factory. Guess I'll have to sneak bulbs over a border somewhere when the time comes and my stash wears down.
When we remodeled our bathroom last year the fixtures we wanted you can't have shipped to the stupid state of CA . Because of some lead content law they have, every single faucet has to best tested by CA, it hadn't been tested yet. Apparently US lead content laws aren't good enough for CA. Every other state you can have it shipped to so my mom bought them and had them shipped to her in Texas and then shipped the illegal bathroom contraband to me in CA.
All they are going to do with these stupid CFL's is create an incandescent light bulb black market.
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When we remodeled our bathroom last year the fixtures we wanted you can't have shipped to the stupid state of CA . Because of some lead content law they have, every single faucet has to best tested by CA, it hadn't been tested yet. Apparently US lead content laws aren't good enough for CA. Every other state you can have it shipped to so my mom bought them and had them shipped to her in Texas and then shipped the illegal bathroom contraband to me in CA.
All they are going to with these stupid CFL's is create an incandescent light bulb black market.
We get cans of paint and solvents at work that have a warning on them.
Warning: Contents have been known to cause cancer in California.
Makes me really glad I don't live in California. California makes things cause cancer.
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Yeah, I'd stay away from there Thundley. Better safe than sorry.
That's like phosphorus in the dishwashing detergent causes panties to get in a bunch in Oregon. Trouble is, banning it extended to the rest of the country, leaving us with greasy, dingy dishes. The recommended solution from the powers that be? Lower your standards of cleanliness.
However, the health departments had a problem with this for restaurants and institutions. Phosphorus had to stay for those uses. These can be found at Sam's Club, etc. for your "restaurant." :whistling: