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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: Freeper on April 08, 2011, 10:07:02 PM
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DEVELOPING: Congressional leaders, with barely an hour to go before a federal government, announced late Friday night they had reached a deal to fund the government through the end of the fiscal year.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/08/congress-strikes-budget-deal-averts-government-shutdown/#ixzz1IzY99W8L
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Yeah nothing changes and the Rinos are still giving in.
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Boy, that was a nail biter. :sarcasm:
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Just as I predicted, there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth here.
Yeah I realize we may not have got 100% of what we wanted, but from what I see they are trying to stand up against Obama and Harry Reid.
Maybe I'm the crazy one for having realistic expectations that sometimes compromise will be made. Oh well the dems will have control of all 3 houses in 2012 again since the GOP still isn't pure enough for some people. I can't recall a time when the GOP has put up a fight this big and yet somehow that still isn't enough.
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They don't even bother to attempt to educate the voters and bring us along.Boenher is worse than worthless. If he doesn't want to lead, he should step down and let Ryan or Bachman take over.
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I wonder why this was no address back in late 2010. Why now?
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Just as I predicted, there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth here.
Yeah I realize we may not have got 100% of what we wanted, but from what I see they are trying to stand up against Obama and Harry Reid.
Maybe I'm the crazy one for having realistic expectations that sometimes compromise will be made. Oh well the dems will have control of all 3 houses in 2012 again since the GOP still isn't pure enough for some people. I can't recall a time when the GOP has put up a fight this big and yet somehow that still isn't enough.
It's taken almost 3 years for the Birth Certificate to become an issue and it's been brought to the forefront basically by a political outsider. I had no such illusions that the Republicans would stand up to the Democrats especially with crybaby Boehner at the helm.
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Just as I predicted, there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth here.
Yeah I realize we may not have got 100% of what we wanted, but from what I see they are trying to stand up against Obama and Harry Reid.
Maybe I'm the crazy one for having realistic expectations that sometimes compromise will be made. Oh well the dems will have control of all 3 houses in 2012 again since the GOP still isn't pure enough for some people. I can't recall a time when the GOP has put up a fight this big and yet somehow that still isn't enough.
Just what did the GOP win in this "compromise?" What did the country win? How does this "compromise" advance the GOP's arguments? How will this "compromise" help when it comes to the debt ceiling debate? Or should Boehner just "compromise" right away?
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Just what did the GOP win in this "compromise?" What did the country win? How does this "compromise" advance the GOP's arguments? How will this "compromise" help when it comes to the debt ceiling debate? Or should Boehner just "compromise" right away?
I have realistic expectations. I realize that we may have the house but, that is all we have.
Bohner can't wave a magic wand and make his will law of the land magically appear.
From what I have seen they are standing up to Obama as much as possible and sometimes they will win, and sometimes they will lose.
Maybe I'm the only one here not throwing a pity party right now.
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I have realistic expectations. I realize that we may have the house but, that is all we have.
Bohner can't wave a magic wand and make his will law of the land magically appear.
From what I have seen they are standing up to Obama as much as possible and sometimes they will win, and sometimes they will lose.
Maybe I'm the only one here not throwing a pity party right now.
Okay, but what did this "compromise" accomplish.
I rather expected this too. And I expected because I know Boehner is weak. What good does compromise do if all it tells your opponents is you can be easily rolled?
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Okay, but what did this "compromise" accomplish.
I rather expected this too. And I expected because I know Boehner is weak. What good does compromise do if all it tells your opponents is you can be easily rolled?
What would shutting down the govt accomplish?
Other than giving the democrats their campaign strategy for 2012.
My thoughts on this whole mess is just get some kind of budget for this year then focus the fight on the next budget.
That will give them time to communicate with the people and counter all the lies from the left well before the time to submit the budget.
Sadly compromise will be a factor unless we can get control of all 3 houses then we can push forward with our agenda.
What I see happening is in 2012 the dems are going to clean our clocks and spend us into the ground, they won't make the same mistake next time they own all 3 houses like they did in 2009 and 2010.
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What's up with the guarantee to vote in the senate on HC repeal? That's part of the deal? In my opinion, that's a pretty big accomplishment.
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OUR representatives are playing the game as if they have something to lose. In the days of TRUE citizen legislators, there was nothing to lose by standing for what's right. Your reward was a clear concience and if not re-elected, you got to go home and lead a normal life. The days of career politicans must come to an end.
When is the last time you heard of a politician saying 'I want to go home and lead a normal life' instead of 'I'm retiring'?
How many elected officials can you name that have run for office because they were asked to do so?
Thanks for listening.
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OUR representatives are playing the game as if they have something to lose. In the days of TRUE citizen legislators, there was nothing to lose by standing for what's right. Your reward was a clear concience and if not re-elected, you got to go home and lead a normal life. The days of career politicans must come to an end.
When is the last time you heard of a politician saying 'I want to go home and lead a normal life' instead of 'I'm retiring'?
How many elected officials can you name that have run for office because they were asked to do so?
Thanks for listening.
The thing is, they are going to try and destroy Boehner no matter what, so why not at least try and do what is right? After the government shutdown in the 90's the GOP picked up two more seats in the senate.
The thing that bugs me most is Boehner has laid all his cards on the table. Obama and Reid know they can roll him any time they want.
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Just as I predicted, there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth here.
Yeah I realize we may not have got 100% of what we wanted, but from what I see they are trying to stand up against Obama and Harry Reid.
Maybe I'm the crazy one for having realistic expectations that sometimes compromise will be made. Oh well the dems will have control of all 3 houses in 2012 again since the GOP still isn't pure enough for some people. I can't recall a time when the GOP has put up a fight this big and yet somehow that still isn't enough.
+1
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What would shutting down the govt accomplish?
Other than giving the democrats their campaign strategy for 2012.
My thoughts on this whole mess is just get some kind of budget for this year then focus the fight on the next budget.
That will give them time to communicate with the people and counter all the lies from the left well before the time to submit the budget.
Sadly compromise will be a factor unless we can get control of all 3 houses then we can push forward with our agenda.
What I see happening is in 2012 the dems are going to clean our clocks and spend us into the ground, they won't make the same mistake next time they own all 3 houses like they did in 2009 and 2010.
One thing a government shutdown would have accomplished, if Boehner and Cantor where capable of any sort of leadership, would have been that the world wont end if the Federal Government shuts down.
These guys don't do anything at all to try and get the American people behind them. What good will taking the Senate and Presidency do with such weak and venal "leadership?"
Well, now, on to surrender at the next battle. America is in such great hands.
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Ooo... I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!!
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Republicans (via our representative Boehner) just gave 0dumbo a gold star.
Congratulations.
:clap:
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Just as I predicted, there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth here.
I was prepared for compromise but this is paltry.
If he gave up this much where does this leave Ryan's plan?
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Hi,
Boehner has to go. I wrote books and taught the subject of negotiations for over three decades. Three or four days ago Boehner signaled that there was going to be a deal a government shutdown would be avoided. Once he said that I knew we were screwed. From a negotiations perspective that was an inexcuseable error and cost us big time.
Why is it the democrats are calling for compromise. Perhaps every time they mention that word Boehner should say we are as prepared to compromise as they were when they jammed the health care bill down our throats.
Tea Party needs to energize once again.
regards,
5412
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What would shutting down the govt accomplish?
Other than giving the democrats their campaign strategy for 2012.
My thoughts on this whole mess is just get some kind of budget for this year then focus the fight on the next budget.
That will give them time to communicate with the people and counter all the lies from the left well before the time to submit the budget.
Sadly compromise will be a factor unless we can get control of all 3 houses then we can push forward with our agenda.
What I see happening is in 2012 the dems are going to clean our clocks and spend us into the ground, they won't make the same mistake next time they own all 3 houses like they did in 2009 and 2010.
The government would have shut down, and then they would have compromised....... the only thing accomplished is the savings of taking federal worker's pay away for several weeks.
I don't think we are losing in 2012 -- I have no idea who the nomination will be. However, I agree with you totally on the reality check.
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Hi,
Boehner has to go. I wrote books and taught the subject of negotiations for over three decades. Three or four days ago Boehner signaled that there was going to be a deal a government shutdown would be avoided. Once he said that I knew we were screwed. From a negotiations perspective that was an inexcuseable error and cost us big time.
Why is it the democrats are calling for compromise. Perhaps every time they mention that word Boehner should say we are as prepared to compromise as they were when they jammed the health care bill down our throats.
Tea Party needs to energize once again.
regards,
5412
That language was stated for the military. The Democrats were writing the script on this shut down, and he didn't allow that. Don't think for one second that Obama was trying to avoid a shut down as a shut down played to his advantage only.
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One thing a government shutdown would have accomplished, if Boehner and Cantor where capable of any sort of leadership, would have been that the world wont end if the Federal Government shuts down.
These guys don't do anything at all to try and get the American people behind them. What good will taking the Senate and Presidency do with such weak and venal "leadership?"
Well, now, on to surrender at the next battle. America is in such great hands.
I guess I am confused as to how they would accomplish this PR on leadership with the American people, when it clearly wouldn't have mattered what they did as the media has talking points they do not delineate from.
Have no doubt that a government shut down would most likely kill the GOP in 2012. History has taught us nothing it seems.
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OUR representatives are playing the game as if they have something to lose. In the days of TRUE citizen legislators, there was nothing to lose by standing for what's right. Your reward was a clear concience and if not re-elected, you got to go home and lead a normal life. The days of career politicans must come to an end.
When is the last time you heard of a politician saying 'I want to go home and lead a normal life' instead of 'I'm retiring'?
How many elected officials can you name that have run for office because they were asked to do so?
Thanks for listening.
This isn't a sprint, it's a marathon. You don't have the senate? then it is all a dog and pony show. That is how it works.
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In the world of politics, Boehner is +1:
Boehner Wins Big
April 9, 2011 2:21 A.M.
By Andrew Stiles
President Obama’s 2011 budget called for a spending increase of $40 billion. Tonight, he touted a bipartisan agreement on “the largest annual spending cut in our history†— some $38.5 billion [emphasis added]. All told, he got $78.5 billion less than he originally requested.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) didn’t want to cut anything at first. But bowing to political reality, eventually ponied up about $4.7 billion in cuts. He ended up with $33.8 billion less spending than he wanted. And he called it an “historic†accomplishment. (Not surprisingly, the left is appalled).
House Speaker John Boehner (R., Ohio), on the other hand, initially proposed $32 billion in spending cuts. House Republicans, led by an undaunted freshman class, bumped that number up to $61 billion ($100 billion off the president’s budget), before settling on $38.5 billion. That’s $6.5 billion more than Boehner asked for to begin with, and $5.5 billion more than the $33 billion that Vice President Joe Biden and Senate Democrats claimed had been agreed to less than two weeks ago. It remains to be seen how much of that will be cuts to discretionary spending, but all told it would appear that we’'ll see a substantial reduction in baseline spending that will yield hundreds of billions in savings over the next decade.
But unlike Obama and Reid, the speaker didn’t quite feel the need to pat himself on the back over it. “We fought to keep government spending down,†he told reporters in a brief speech after the deal was announced. And they’ll keep fighting, because the biggest battles — over the debt limit and the 2012 budget — are still to come.
As Boehner himself repeated throughout this debate, “Republicans control just one-half of one-third of the federal government.†And yet look out the outcome. Perhaps more significant than the $38.5 billion in cuts, which Boehner told members was “the best deal we could get,†are the political implications as both side prepare to tackle the bigger spending issues. “We’ve changed the conversation,†said freshman Rep. Tim Griffin (R., Ark.). “This year we’re talking about how much we’re going to reduce — cut — and that’s a major cultural shift in a matter of months.â€
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/264308/boehner-wins-big-andrew-stiles
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Activists Give Boehner a Nod of Approval
Tea-Party Groups Had Sought More Cuts, but Grant House Speaker High Marks for His Leadership During the Showdown
By JONATHAN WEISMAN And JENNIFER LEVITZ
Leaders of the small-government, tea-party movement are generally giving House Speaker John Boehner high marks for his leadership in the spending showdown, even though the agreement eventually reached Friday night fell short of the cuts the tea party once demanded.
House Speaker John Boehner, shown Friday as negotiations continued to reach a budget deal, appears to have gained from risking a shutdown.
The relationship between the Republican leadership and these activists is one of the most important determinants of how this Congress will manage the fiscal fights to come.
Tea-party backers have been leery of Mr. Boehner for months, questioning his zeal and driving him toward a tougher line on spending.
As negotiations inched close to a deal late Friday, much of the movement's institutional leadership resisted raising the temperature and were willing to cut Mr. Boehner some slack, in hope that he will extract more dramatic concessions in the budget showdowns to come.
Within weeks, the House will press forward on a blueprint to dramatically change Medicare and Medicaid, lower tax rates, simplify the tax code, and cut nonsecurity spending by $1.6 trillion over the next decade.
By mid-May, another showdown will come as the federal government reaches its statutory limit on borrowing. And this summer, Congress must go to work on spending bills for fiscal 2012.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704415104576251390267843346.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories
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The government would have shut down, and then they would have compromised....... the only thing accomplished is the savings of taking federal worker's pay away for several weeks.
I don't think we are losing in 2012 -- I have no idea who the nomination will be. However, I agree with you totally on the reality check.
Here's what is going to happen. When the next budget comes up and Ryan doesn't get 100% of what he proposes the conservatives base will jump ship and start voting third party handing the dems majorities on a silver platter. Heck probably by then Ryan will be called a RINO by the purists here.
This is why conservatives can never win because no person is pure enough to satisfy everyone.
Reagan was a RINO, he compromised, he gave amnesty to illegal aliens, and bumped tax rates back up after the initial cuts.
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Here's what is going to happen. When the next budget comes up and Ryan doesn't get 100% of what he proposes the conservatives base will jump ship and start voting third party handing the dems majorities on a silver platter. Heck probably by then Ryan will be called a RINO by the purists here.
This is why conservatives can never win because no person is pure enough to satisfy everyone.
Reagan was a RINO, he compromised, he gave amnesty to illegal aliens, and bumped tax rates back up after the initial cuts.
The WSJ is claiming the tea party is ok with the compromise. We have bigger fish to fry.
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The WSJ is claiming the tea party is ok with the compromise. We have bigger fish to fry.
Our fish is fried.
There is going to be compromise on the next budget. The wailing and gnashing of teeth here will rival the DUmp.
Mark my words Paul Ryan will be called a RINO by then.
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From the WSJ ...
tea-party movement ... giving ... Boehner high marks for his leadership ... the cuts the tea party once demanded ...
We are over 17 Trillion Dollars in debt. Do some math. 39 Billion Dollars is like a fraction of a cent .. a farthing. We all know the WSJ newsroom is left of center. But what planet is this on? Oh I know ... Michelle Bachman stood against this bs, as did Senator Jim DeMint ... but we are the extremists. We are the "purists". Shame on us.
Show your hand, then roll over. Thats how its done. Way to go Johnny!
A little slumber, a little sleep.. so shall thy poverty come. Like a thief in the night. Not to worry though, like they keep telling us ... next time. Its always next time isnt it? Unless of course your one of those 'moderates' like 0bama or Reid or Pelosi.
Well, whats done is done. But if history is any lesson .. this sets a bad president. Now they know our 'leadership' will cave .. every time .. with the right pressure. I hope Im wrong.
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Yeah, just because I want something totally means it is going to happen. Am I right?
Then I woke up.
Reality check. This was a solid win for the GOP.
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Yeah, just because I want something totally means it is going to happen. Am I right?
Then I woke up.
Reality check. This was a solid win for the GOP.
I won't say it's a win, I also won't say it's the end of the world either.
The real battle is going to be next year's budget.
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I won't say it's a win, I also won't say it's the end of the world either.
The real battle is going to be next year's budget.
Asked for 61 and you get 39, absent control of the Senate? You seriously don't think that is a win?
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The U.S. Congress cannot ignore the political losses that might run into the 2012 elections from failing to get a budget deal tonight. A running poll of readers on reuters.com shows 60 percent would blame Republicans more for a government shutdown, 22 percent would blame Democrats and 18 percent say both parties, equally.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/08/usa-washingtonextra-idUSN0812619620110408
They went to the mattresses and we lose in 2012. But we would have showed them right?
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Asked for 61 and you get 39, absent control of the Senate? You seriously don't think that is a win?
The fact that we got even a dime in cuts is damn near a miracle.
In some regards yes, it's a win, however I feel like this is getting 3 points from a field goal while you are still 4 touchdowns behind the other team.
This may prove to a bigger win than I am seeing now, or it may turn into a total loss. Only time will tell. That's the thing about politics, yes the day to day events do matter, but it's what happens later that matters most. That's why I am not joining the RINO choir, or the GOP cheerleader squad just yet. I'm waiting for the bigger picture to come into focus and will encourage our folks to keep fighting against Harry and Barry.
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You’re kidding, right?
April 9, 2011 8:55 A.M.
By Andrew C. McCarthy
With due respect, I think those who are praising the budget deal are deluding themselves. Under circumstances where we are trillions of dollars in debt, the GOP just caved on its promise to cut the relative pittance of $61 billion in spending because it’s just not worth fighting for more than the half-pittance of $40 billion Democrats claimed was their drop-dead number. “Drop dead†meant daring Republicans to shut the government down (which, as we know, doesn’t actually shut the government down). The Republicans blinked.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner
The only thing accomplished with going to shut down is providing the DNC with ample ammunition for a 2012 victory. How in the hell were we getting anything other than what was accomplished? Someone please tell me. For all the tough talk from the pundits, I don't see a legitimate plan of action that is viable or realistic from any of them (and that is the left and the right).
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/08/usa-washingtonextra-idUSN0812619620110408
They went to the mattresses and we lose in 2012. But we would have showed them right?
Like I said before I can't recall a time the GOP has stood up like they have now.
Have they been perfect? Of course not, but I'm not going to ignore the good things they have done just because they didn't deliver 100% of what we want. Anytime you use 100% as your measuring stick for anything, you are going to come up short. For now baby steps is what we need. If we manage to get all 3 houses then I will expect to see more bigger changes coming fairly quickly.
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It's a win, just not a big one.
The Senate now has to debate both Obamacare and Planned Parenthood. These have the potential to be high ticket items.
The Republicans have the opportunity to change their minds - the real vote is this week.
The Republicans have a re-election issue by showing themselves capable of compromise while the Dems were going absolutely ballistic.
Boehner is being portrayed as a hero, even as the media is trying to portray Obama as the one who swooped in at the last minute and saved the day.
And remember - in the bigger picture, it's the next budget that's important. This was cleaning up the mess that the last house didn't want to deal with because of proactive political cowardice.
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The fact that we got even a dime in cuts is damn near a miracle.
In some regards yes, it's a win, however I feel like this is getting 3 points from a field goal while you are still 4 touchdowns behind the other team.
This may prove to a bigger win than I am seeing now, or it may turn into a total loss. Only time will tell. That's the thing about politics, yes the day to day events do matter, but it's what happens later that matters most. That's why I am not joining the RINO choir, or the GOP cheerleader squad just yet. I'm waiting for the bigger picture to come into focus and will encourage our folks to keep fighting against Harry and Barry.
Cheerleader? No. Calling it what it is? yes.
Until the GOP controls the house and senate this is all political blow hard nonsense. You will never get control if you allow the democrats to write the script.
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Cheerleader? No. Calling it what it is? yes.
Until the GOP controls the house and senate this is all political blow hard nonsense. You will never get control if you allow the democrats to write the script.
I need to clarify, I wasn't saying you were a cheerleader I was just stating my position that I'm not giving up on them and I'm not trusting them totally yet either. More has to happen before I can make a call.
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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) didn’t want to cut anything at first
That sentence tells alot about the difference between the democrats and republicans. The dems failed to do their Constitutional duty and pass a bill last year when they were in the driver's seat, and when the republicans were trying to get some common sense to the budget mess the dems kept pushing for more spending as if there is no problem at all. hairy reid and the rest of the dems are like an addict who refuse to admit they have a problem.
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And for the record, this is NOT a "spending cut".
That's like saying you went from a budget of $10,000 a year to one of $20,000 a year, then back to $19,000 and claiming a $1,000 "cut".
Or to put it in more easily viewable terms:
Old deficit: $1,600,000,000,000.00
New deficit: $1,570,000,000,000.00
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Here's what is going to happen. When the next budget comes up and Ryan doesn't get 100% of what he proposes the conservatives base will jump ship and start voting third party handing the dems majorities on a silver platter. Heck probably by then Ryan will be called a RINO by the purists here.
This is why conservatives can never win because no person is pure enough to satisfy everyone.
Reagan was a RINO, he compromised, he gave amnesty to illegal aliens, and bumped tax rates back up after the initial cuts.
You know what? All they have to do is lead. Would Reagan have satisfied the purists? Not if he didn't get out there and ask for support. In other words, lead.
Has Ryan been perfect? No. He voted for the Tarp. And probably a few other things that a purist would hate but he is one of the few with real solutions. He is one of the few that can lead.
Boehner is good at telling Obama and Reid exactly how they can roll him. Little more. When bold action is needed, we get milquetoast once again. The world is on fire. A few states have become literal battlegrounds, and what do we get from national GOP leadership? Mitch McConnel, a senator, has shown more spine in recent months than Boehner has since he was announced as our new national leader.
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And for the record, this is NOT a "spending cut".
That's like saying you went from a budget of $10,000 a year to one of $20,000 a year, then back to $19,000 and claiming a $1,000 "cut".
Or to put it in more easily viewable terms:
Old deficit: $1,600,000,000,000.00
New deficit: $1,570,000,000,000.00
Now that's just plain mean spirited. Oh wait, it only seems mean spirited 'cause it's a fact and facts are to liberals like kryptonite is to Superman.
Three hundred Spartans did in fact hold up legions but at what cost? It may be uber macho to talk about choosing what hill to die on but once you do you really have shot your quiver. I prefer Patton's take on things, you want the other guy to die for his cause, not you.
I am happy they got as much as they did. It is a start and that is what disturbs liberals the most.
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Hi,
Boy do I see things differently. While some might feel it was a win for Boehner, my contention is he does not know much about negotiations. Had he handled things right maybe he would have got $50 billion. You knew when it was said the tea party folks wanted $61 billion they would never get it. He should have been demanding $100 billion from the get go and then settled on $61 billion. When he started at the number the tea party could live with he was doomed to fail, no way the democrats would have allowed that.
And those who say the real fight is coming in the debt cieling increase and the 2012 budget, I say "yeah right!". The die has been cast and all of a sudden Boehner and the Rino are going to grow testicles in the next 90 days???? Not hardly. Even on the MSNBC web site they are saying that Obama made a commitment to Boehner about abortion funding in DC and then went back on his word at the last minute and Boehner did nothing about it.. Think that will not happen again???
I now have much lower expectations because of the poor republican leadership.
regards,
5412
PS: No sooner did I finish this post than I got an email from Dick Morris saying the deal was a total sell out. I cannot cut and paste what he said but basically he outlines how Boehner caved, what we now have no chance of getting and how the Republican party still has to get rid of a lot of folks. Maybe you can find his discertation on dickmorris.com because he really spells it out.
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Hi,
Boy do I see things differently. While some might feel it was a win for Boehner, my contention is he does not know much about negotiations. Had he handled things right maybe he would have got $50 billion. You knew when it was said the tea party folks wanted $61 billion they would never get it. He should have been demanding $100 billion from the get go and then settled on $61 billion. When he started at the number the tea party could live with he was doomed to fail, no way the democrats would have allowed that.
And those who say the real fight is coming in the debt cieling increase and the 2012 budget, I say "yeah right!". The die has been cast and all of a sudden Boehner and the Rino are going to grow testicles in the next 90 days???? Not hardly. Even on the MSNBC web site they are saying that Obama made a commitment to Boehner about abortion funding in DC and then went back on his word at the last minute and Boehner did nothing about it.. Think that will not happen again???
I now have much lower expectations because of the poor republican leadership.
regards,
5412
PS: No sooner did I finish this post than I got an email from Dick Morris saying the deal was a total sell out. I cannot cut and paste what he said but basically he outlines how Boehner caved, what we now have no chance of getting and how the Republican party still has to get rid of a lot of folks. Maybe you can find his discertation on dickmorris.com because he really spells it out.
I'm not surprised Dick Morris would say that and I am sure on Monday, Beck, and Hannity will be wailing and gnashing their teeth too.
Not sure which way Rush is going to go.
I don't know what exactly what people are expecting of our congress, it's not like they have a huge amount of power. All they can do is submit a budget and try their best to get the democrat controlled senate and the democrat president to go along with it. Yeah we didn't get much right now, but I would prefer to get what we want bit by bit, than to not get it all. I think some people need to learn some patience, change does not come overnight. It seems both the left and right agree that their people should wave a magic wand and make everything they want magically appear. When it doesn't happen they shoot their party in the foot.
I can't wait until Paul Ryan has to compromise on his budget and watch the heads explode here. How he sold us out.
If we owned all three houses like we did in the first decade of the 21st century then I too would be singing in the RINO choir.
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Paul Ryan sold us out?
What??
Paul Ryan sold us out???
What planet are you on?
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Paul Ryan sold us out?
What??
Paul Ryan sold us out???
What planet are you on?
Mark my words, when he compromises on his budget you will saying that.
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I'm not surprised Dick Morris would say that and I am sure on Monday, Beck, and Hannity will be wailing and gnashing their teeth too.
Not sure which way Rush is going to go.
I don't know what exactly what people are expecting of our congress, it's not like they have a huge amount of power. All they can do is submit a budget and try their best to get the democrat controlled senate and the democrat president to go along with it. Yeah we didn't get much right now, but I would prefer to get what we want bit by bit, than to not get it all. I think some people need to learn some patience, change does not come overnight. It seems both the left and right agree that their people should wave a magic wand and make everything they want magically appear. When it doesn't happen they shoot their party in the foot.
I can't wait until Paul Ryan has to compromise on his budget and watch the heads explode here. How he sold us out.
If we owned all three houses like we did in the first decade of the 21st century then I too would be singing in the RINO choir.
You know, after Nancy Pelosi shoved ObamaCare through, that is an outrageous statement. Congress, the House, has the power of the purse. That is a huge amount of power.
And to answer your question yet again, I expect LEADERSHIP from our LEADERS. Boehner was great in the minority and they way he negotiates, it seems like he wanted to stay there.
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Mark my words, when he compromises on his budget you will saying that.
Ahhh... I see. We just assume do we?
A guy proposes cutting trillions as opposed to a few billion and thats your comparison?
Fascinating.
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And for the record, this is NOT a "spending cut".
That's like saying you went from a budget of $10,000 a year to one of $20,000 a year, then back to $19,000 and claiming a $1,000 "cut".
Or to put it in more easily viewable terms:
Old deficit: $1,600,000,000,000.00
New deficit: $1,570,000,000,000.00
Had that budget increase gone through would that have been considered a budget increase? cause it sure as hell was heading that way.
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You know, after Nancy Pelosi shoved ObamaCare through, that is an outrageous statement. Congress, the House, has the power of the purse. That is a huge amount of power.
And to answer your question yet again, I expect LEADERSHIP from our LEADERS. Boehner was great in the minority and they way he negotiates, it seems like he wanted to stay there.
How was he getting more?
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Ahhh... I see. We just assume do we?
A guy proposes cutting trillions as opposed to a few billion and thats your comparison?
Fascinating.
How was he getting that through again?
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Hi,
Boy do I see things differently. While some might feel it was a win for Boehner, my contention is he does not know much about negotiations. Had he handled things right maybe he would have got $50 billion. You knew when it was said the tea party folks wanted $61 billion they would never get it. He should have been demanding $100 billion from the get go and then settled on $61 billion. When he started at the number the tea party could live with he was doomed to fail, no way the democrats would have allowed that.
And those who say the real fight is coming in the debt cieling increase and the 2012 budget, I say "yeah right!". The die has been cast and all of a sudden Boehner and the Rino are going to grow testicles in the next 90 days???? Not hardly. Even on the MSNBC web site they are saying that Obama made a commitment to Boehner about abortion funding in DC and then went back on his word at the last minute and Boehner did nothing about it.. Think that will not happen again???
I now have much lower expectations because of the poor republican leadership.
regards,
5412
PS: No sooner did I finish this post than I got an email from Dick Morris saying the deal was a total sell out. I cannot cut and paste what he said but basically he outlines how Boehner caved, what we now have no chance of getting and how the Republican party still has to get rid of a lot of folks. Maybe you can find his discertation on dickmorris.com because he really spells it out.
You have a lot of experience negotiating in Congress?
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You have a lot of experience negotiating in Congress?
Hi,
Of course not directly. I have had a few conversations with some pretty heavy members of congress from time to time but that is small potatoes. At the same time, I understand how the game is played and am capable of recognizing a huge error (or in boehner's case errors) when I see one.
Suggest you read the following article:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/04/09/6439868-obama-to-boehner-on-title-x-cuts-nope-zero-
If that had happened to Ritchie Dailey he would have said the whole deal is off and walked out of the room. Instead Boehner walked out with his tail between his legs. The room got quiet because they knew it was showdown time and Boehner caved.
regards,
5412
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Hi,
Of course not directly. I have had a few conversations with some pretty heavy members of congress from time to time but that is small potatoes. At the same time, I understand how the game is played and am capable of recognizing a huge error (or in boehner's case errors) when I see one.
Suggest you read the following article:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/04/09/6439868-obama-to-boehner-on-title-x-cuts-nope-zero-
If that had happened to Ritchie Dailey he would have said the whole deal is off and walked out of the room. Instead Boehner walked out with his tail between his legs. The room got quiet because they knew it was showdown time and Boehner caved.
regards,
5412
Um, O'Donnell's accounting as to what happened in the Oval Office? no thanks.
I thought the Messiah served as a mediator only? He was calling the shots? The DNC needs to get their talking points straight.
Let me assure you that negotiating anything outside of legislation is an apples to orange comparison. There is no higher heavy hitters than the President, the Senate/House majority leaders.
He walks, the government gets shut down, and the GOP can kiss 2012 goodbye.
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/216992_207176802634781_147304675288661_751490_2643079_n.jpg)
Seriously?
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How was he getting more?
Perhaps by not playing all of his cards face up. Perhaps by not telegraphing weakness. Perhaps by being willing to fight.
Think of it, what did Boehner do to get a majority in the house? Pretty much nothing. The American voters gave him a clear mandate and all he can do is go on TV, cry a little, then make excuses.
It is hard to expect more from such a weakling but I do expect more with what he was given, pretty much on a silver platter.
If he doesn't want to lead, why did he choose to become Speaker?
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Um, O'Donnell's accounting as to what happened in the Oval Office? no thanks.
I thought the Messiah served as a mediator only? He was calling the shots? The DNC needs to get their talking points straight.
Let me assure you that negotiating anything outside of legislation is an apples to orange comparison. There is no higher heavy hitters than the President, the Senate/House majority leaders.
He walks, the government gets shut down, and the GOP can kiss 2012 goodbye.
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/216992_207176802634781_147304675288661_751490_2643079_n.jpg)
Seriously?
Seriously, he should have been banging the pots and pans about this. Where was Boehner leading on this? I know he tried to pass a bill but Obama and Reid should be afraid to show their faces after using our military like pawns.
Seriously! The reason they knew they could do this is because Boehner is WEAK.
This was an outrage and there Obama is today making 5 trips to the Lincoln Memorial taking credit for "working together."
Talk about missed opportunities.
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Perhaps by not playing all of his cards face up. Perhaps by not telegraphing weakness. Perhaps by being willing to fight.
I think he did fight, and walked away with 39 billion cut from Obama's budget. Which cards are you referring to?
The deadline was midnight, the deal made at 11 p.m.? Government shutdown being a slam dunk for the DNC in 2012. What should he have done differently?
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Seriously, he should have been banging the pots and pans about this. Where was Boehner leading on this? I know he tried to pass a bill but Obama and Reid should be afraid to show their faces after using our military like pawns.
Seriously! The reason they knew they could do this is because Boehner is WEAK.
This was an outrage and there Obama is today making 5 trips to the Lincoln Memorial taking credit for "working together."
Talk about missed opportunities.
Reuters poll has the GOP being overwhelming at fault for a government shutdown. Shame on Reid? LOL. He played that like a master.
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Reuters poll has the GOP being overwhelming at fault for a government shutdown. Shame on Reid? LOL. He played that like a master.
Well, then shame on us for not standing up.
Maybe we deserve this. Is that what you are saying?
Let Obama enslave the military? Why not? He has already taken the wages of generations not even born yet.
And I have to think the polling data may not have been as favoriable to Obama as the polls suggest, or else why not let the GOP "shutdown" the government? And he wouldn't be making 5 trips out to the Lincoln Memorial to smooze with the hoi polloi when he has an important vacation to get to.
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I think he did fight, and walked away with 39 billion cut from Obama's budget. Which cards are you referring to?
The deadline was midnight, the deal made at 11 p.m.? Government shutdown being a slam dunk for the DNC in 2012. What should he have done differently?
You do understand metaphors, don't you? Ever since he took power, Boehner has been telegraphing what he is willing to do and not to do so Obama and Reid know how far he is willing to go before they even get to the issue.
First of all Boehner shouldn't have waited until the last hour to start getting serious. He was delivered the Speakership on a silver platter by historic numbers. And, as I say, if he doesn't want to lead, he should step down.
Again, if he has some sort of master plan, he should be bringing the American people along with him. Where is his leadership?
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One last thing, saying Reid played like a master is a bit over the top. How much mastery is required when you know you are playing against a chump? Boenher is a chump. I would love to play high stakes poker against him. I don't even know anything about poker but I know I could masterfully play a chump.
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Well, then shame on us for not standing up.
Maybe we deserve this. Is that what you are saying?
Let Obama enslave the military? Why not? He has already taken the wages of generations not even born yet.
And I have to think the polling data may not have been as favoriable to Obama as the polls suggest, or else why not let the GOP "shutdown" the government? And he wouldn't be making 5 trips out to the Lincoln Memorial to smooze with the hoi polloi when he has an important vacation to get to.
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No -- remember Bill Clinton and the government shutdown? History repeating itself.
Of course they are going to hold them hostage, this is politics and you can be damn sure the media will use that picture of that soldier for the DNC advantage. That's reality.
Obama was getting heat on his lack of leadership ability going into the final stretch. His narcissist nature was his undoing.
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You do understand metaphors, don't you? Ever since he took power, Boehner has been telegraphing what he is willing to do and not to do so Obama and Reid know how far he is willing to go before they even get to the issue.
First of all Boehner shouldn't have waited until the last hour to start getting serious. He was delivered the Speakership on a silver platter by historic numbers. And, as I say, if he doesn't want to lead, he should step down.
Again, if he has some sort of master plan, he should be bringing the American people along with him. Where is his leadership?
Yeah, I understand them and are asking you to use exact instances of where he failed. Let's be clear that the tea party did the telegraphing, and Boehner made comments about reaching an agreement because we have men and women in harms way looking for him to make a deal so they don't have to worry about their loved ones being unable to put food on the table, and pay the rent.
The GOP attempted several times to get Obama to agree to exempt the military from the shutdown and he refused. It all came down the wire, and Boehner walked out of there with cuts that will sting the left straight through to the next battle.
We don;t have the senate. I don't how you expect there to be more than what he got.
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One last thing, saying Reid played like a master is a bit over the top. How much mastery is required when you know you are playing against a chump? Boenher is a chump. I would love to play high stakes poker against him. I don't even know anything about poker but I know I could masterfully play a chump.
Reid didn't play that game against Boehner, he played it against the GOP senate.
:whatever:
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Most political strategists agree that the Clinton-era shutdowns politically benefited the sitting president, who was able to paint Republicans as obstructionist. According to Gallup, his handling of the shutdown boosted his popularity.
"In the wake of the government shutdown in early 1996, Clinton's approval rating moved permanently above the 50% level, and never fell below 52% after that," Gallup reported in 2001, upon his exit from office.
The same warnings are being echoed by prominent Republicans such as Karl Rove. In his weekly polling memo, the former deputy chief of staff to President George W. Bush cautioned that a shutdown could boost President Barack Obama's approval ratings, citing the Clinton effect.
"The shutdowns helped improve Clinton's political standing, boosting both his approval rating and perceptions of him as a strong leader," Rove wrote. "At the time, poll watchers noted that, 'the only time Clinton's ratings have improved substantially the past year as a result of his actions has been when he adopted a strategy of confrontation.' "
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/08/boosted-approval-ratings-and-back-pay-lessons-learned-from-past-shutdowns/
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Ahhh... I see. We just assume do we?
A guy proposes cutting trillions as opposed to a few billion and thats your comparison?
Fascinating.
Yes it is an assumption.
The simple fact is there is no way Paul Ryan is going to get that budget he proposed through the Senate much less get Obama to sign it into law.
Ryan is going to have compromise and the people complaining now, will say we were sold out again.
To quote Will Pitt, bank on it.
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Some folk at the dump are getting a bit queasy about what has gone down in DC.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x850413
cali (1000+ posts) Sat Apr-09-11 03:20 AM
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A Freeper sums up the budget deal- accurately
We have now changed the terms of the debate. The country is no longer talking about whether to cut, now we talk only about how much. President Obama was forced to go on TV tonight and essentially embrace spending cuts - just months ago he was busy pushing spending increases.â€
This is true.
We have President Obama now taking ‘credit’ for a budget that is the ‘largest cut in spending in history’ ... Obama drinking the Tea!!!
This is like Clinton in 1995 ‘the era of big government is over’ ... next 6 years the govt - under GOP budgets grew smaller than at any time in the previous 30 years (or the next 10 ) ... so this day IS historic ...
This is not the end, but the beginning of the end of Big Government Obam-unism.
Elections matter. And this agreement has shifted the debate significantly.
Cali: Pitiful and sickening.
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Yeah, I understand them and are asking you to use exact instances of where he failed. Let's be clear that the tea party did the telegraphing, and Boehner made comments about reaching an agreement because we have men and women in harms way looking for him to make a deal so they don't have to worry about their loved ones being unable to put food on the table, and pay the rent.
The GOP attempted several times to get Obama to agree to exempt the military from the shutdown and he refused. It all came down the wire, and Boehner walked out of there with cuts that will sting the left straight through to the next battle.
We don;t have the senate. I don't how you expect there to be more than what he got.
Because some people on our side think that Bohner can wave a magic wand or something.
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Compromise was inevitable shut down or no no shut down. I think a government shut down is inevitable this year, especially after September. The last time we had government shut downs were after September.
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No -- remember Bill Clinton and the government shutdown? History repeating itself.
Of course they are going to hold them hostage, this is politics and you can be damn sure the media will use that picture of that soldier for the DNC advantage. That's reality.
Obama was getting heat on his lack of leadership ability going into the final stretch. His narcissist nature was his undoing.
Oh yeah, and the Senate picked up two more Republican seats after that. And, of course, the Fed. government shut down twice during Reagan. And at least one time under Carter.
If we are going to be afraid of the media, why even bother to fight?
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Yeah, I understand them and are asking you to use exact instances of where he failed. Let's be clear that the tea party did the telegraphing, and Boehner made comments about reaching an agreement because we have men and women in harms way looking for him to make a deal so they don't have to worry about their loved ones being unable to put food on the table, and pay the rent.
The GOP attempted several times to get Obama to agree to exempt the military from the shutdown and he refused. It all came down the wire, and Boehner walked out of there with cuts that will sting the left straight through to the next battle.
We don;t have the senate. I don't how you expect there to be more than what he got.
And I am saying if Boehner hadn't of telegraphed that he is a wimp out of the box, it may have never come to this.
How do we expect to get anything from a position of weakness?
Even now, Boehner, so far as I know, has done nothing to curb the beaurocracy that was stealth funded in the ObamaCare bill. Why not? Why not, at the very least, go to the American people and ask us to contact the White House about this.
How about any kind of leadership?
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Because some people on our side think that Bohner can wave a magic wand or something.
You are absolutely right. In order to a wave a magic wand around a wand, one must have sort spine to be able to remain upright.
Where is an instance where he has shown and real and inspired leadership?
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Some folk at the dump are getting a bit queasy about what has gone down in DC.
This could be turned to an advantage. I would like it if that happened. Maybe from Bachman or Ryan.
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Oh so you were looking for a mother-may-I call the white house thumbs up from Boehner and that would have been "true leadership."
Totally get it now.
:whatever: ......... or more appropriately :banghead:
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You are absolutely right. In order to a wave a magic wand around a wand, one must have sort spine to be able to remain upright.
Where is an instance where he has shown and real and inspired leadership?
Yesterday when he walked away with 39 billion in cuts. Next.
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I am also thoroughly unconvinced by the notion that somehow Republicans “blinked†by cutting a deal rather than shutting the government down. From what I can tell, there are two assumptions behind this line of thinking. One is that Republicans could have won a better deal, could have gotten more of what they wanted, refusing to move an inch off their original $61 billion and allowing the government shut down. How would that work exactly? President Obama would say ‘okay, you guys are serious, here’s another $21 billion.’ Really? If that were such a fail-proof strategy, why stop there? Why not demand the full repeal of Obamacare, the immediate enactment of Paul Ryan’s budget and the resignations of Pelosi, Reid, Obama et al?
The second is that Republicans would have won the “hearts and minds†debate in the public over who caused the shutdown. Polls suggest that voters are split in that regard, but a majority of independent voters favored a compromise. If a shutdown had occurred, I can’t imagine a scenario in which independents would have overwhelmingly rallied to the Republican cause. In 2010, they voted against “extreme†Democrats, not for “extreme†Republicans, which to Chuck Shumer’s credit, is almost certainly how any shutdown scenario would have played out, and with the help of a gleeful mainstream media who have been champing at the bit to blame the Tea Party for a shutdown since Nov. 3, 2010. It’s not fair or accurate, but that’s the reality.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/264322/re-youre-kidding-right-andrew-stiles
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Boehner Secures the Futures of D.C. Children
April 9, 2011 3:01 P.M.
By Lindsey Burke
In a momentous victory for D.C. schoolchildren, Speaker John Boehner succeeded in reauthorizing the D.C. Opportunity Scholarship Program in the long-term continuing resolution to which the Obama administration agreed just before midnight. As Kathryn noted late last night, “John Boehner just walked Barack Obama into being a civil-rights leader.â€
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/264323/boehner-secures-futures-dc-children-lindsey-burke
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Yesterday when he walked away with 39 billion in cuts. Next.
And what is 39 billion? Where are we now with are debt?
ObamaCare has yet to be defunded/repealed. Do you realize how much that is going to cost? And if Boehner negotiates like he did on this. Why there may be another $39 billion. Wow.
I guess some people are impressed with tiny things.
Do you want to know what leadership looks like? Look to Scott Walker.
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http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/264323/boehner-secures-futures-dc-children-lindsey-burke
This, I admit, is good. But we still have the debt ceiling fight and next year's budget.
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And what is 39 billion? Where are we now with are debt?
ObamaCare has yet to be defunded/repealed. Do you realize how much that is going to cost? And if Boehner negotiates like he did on this. Why there may be another $39 billion. Wow.
I guess some people are impressed with tiny things.
Do you want to know what leadership looks like? Look to Scott Walker.
Oh dear God -- HOW WAS HE GETTING MORE????? How about an answer this time instead of blessing yourself every time you write the word Bachman?
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This, I admit, is good. But we still have the debt ceiling fight and next year's budget.
Which is exactly Stiles' point which you curiously skipped over.
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Oh dear God -- HOW WAS HE GETTING MORE????? How about an answer this time instead of blessing yourself every time you write the word Bachman?
Again, he skated to the speakership in a historic election. The country was behind him but he hasn't been.
And again, he telegraphed again and again what he wouldn't do! That is nuts.
What if the police where in a hostage negociation and they said, "no matter what, even if you guys kill all the hostages, we won't use deadly force against you."
You get more by playing things close to the vest.
And you don't go on Barbra Walters and cry.
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Do you want to know what leadership looks like? Look to Scott Walker.
Wait a minute...
Republican Governor and statehouse vs. Democratic President/Senate against GOP House? TOTALLY the same.
You don't even understand the difference do you?
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Again, he skated to the speakership in a historic election. The country was behind him but he hasn't been.
And again, he telegraphed again and again what he wouldn't do! That is nuts.
What if the police where in a hostage negociation and they said, "no matter what, even if you guys kill all the hostages, we won't use deadly force against you."
You get more by playing things close to the vest.
And you don't go on Barbra Walters and cry.
One is that Republicans could have won a better deal, could have gotten more of what they wanted, refusing to move an inch off their original $61 billion and allowing the government shut down. How would that work exactly? President Obama would say ‘okay, you guys are serious, here’s another $21 billion.’ Really? If that were such a fail-proof strategy, why stop there? Why not demand the full repeal of Obamacare, the immediate enactment of Paul Ryan’s budget and the resignations of Pelosi, Reid, Obama et al?
Understand yet?
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Understand yet?
http://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/mark-levin/john-boehners-strategy/10150150597165946
John Boehner has said over and over again that the Republican House is only 1/2 of 1/3 of the government - even though, by the way, no spending or taxing bill can pass without the House, period. He has also said that the Republicans will not shut down the government. So tell me, what is his strategy going forward with the debt ceiling and the 2012 budget? If he is already saying House Republicans are too weak to do much, and that we are not going to shut down the government, what is his leverage when these big battles take place? I don't think the man has a strategy at all.
Understand yet?
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Patience Pays
One of the reasons Obama did not get a bigger bounce out of his December deal to maintain the current tax rates for another two years is that he caved in too soon.
Eager to end the discussion about a looming tax increase for all Americans at the end of the year, Obama unhappily cut a deal with Republicans, who he compared to “hostage takers,†and then lashed out at liberals who were critical of the deal as “sanctimonious.†It was an ugly way to handle what should have been a happy occasion.
One of the problems was that Obama cut the deal two weeks before the deadline. The consequences of waiting until the 11th hour to do the tax deal would have been worse than those of a temporary government shutdown. Too much brinksmanship might have terrified Americans into closing up their wallets in the midst of the Christmas shopping season and spooked investors. A deadline deal could have weakened the already anemic economy.
All that said, Obama still went too soon. The liberals who castigated Obama for flip-flopping on one of his central campaign promises wanted him to stay in the fight longer and get more in exchange for his acquiescence. At a moment they wanted to follow their leader into battle, Obama signed a peace treaty.
It may have been a very logical thing to do, but how arguments are resolved are often just as important as the resolution itself. Democrats felt betrayed and Republicans felt empowered, which set the stage for the president’s defeat on Friday.
Boehner, on the other hand, rode the spending debate for as long as he could. By waiting until the last dog was hung, the speaker demonstrated to even skeptical members of his caucus that he was all in and increased the pressure on his counter negotiators.
The turning point in the whole affair was Tuesday when Boehner managed to get support for a one-week continuing resolution to fund the government and keep the troops paid no matter what happened. Tea Party House members had vowed to refuse any such plan, but because of the goodwill he bought by allowing members to set their own level on the cuts and by giving Ryan’s budget his blessing, Boehner got the final tool he needed to beat Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.
With military paychecks hanging in the balance, Boehner was able to hold fast in negotiations because his team had passed their own troop funding bill. If Obama and Reid refused it would be they who left military families in the lurch.
Plus, by waiting so long, Boehner limited the amount of time for dissident and publicity hungry members of his caucus to second guess the plan. Every hour before midnight that deal was done would have been an hour for the naysayers to more fully express their unhappiness and draw the attention of reporters looking for the Tea Party rebellion they have been promising for months.
It will get harder from here for Boehner. The stakes will be higher for the president’s request to increase the federal borrowing limit from $14.3 trillion and for the 2012 budget. Plus, Boehner’s success in this opening fiscal skirmish will raise expectations for future fights.
But, Boehner will also go forward with his caucus behind him and Obama trying to play catch up. Not bad for the Weeper of the House.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/09/did-keys-boehners-budget-victory/#ixzz1J4fO41OY
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http://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/mark-levin/john-boehners-strategy/10150150597165946
Understand yet?
That has been answered and more in the excerpts I have posted, which you clearly have not read.
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One last thing, saying Reid played like a master is a bit over the top. How much mastery is required when you know you are playing against a chump? Boenher is a chump. I would love to play high stakes poker against him. I don't even know anything about poker but I know I could masterfully play a chump.
Hi,
Duke I am with you on Boehner. Think Gingrich would have done things differently??
Damn right!
5412
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That has been answered and more in the excerpts I have posted, which you clearly have not read.
Hi,
I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Sure we can publish one opinion after another. Regardless of what was agreed upon it is going to get tougher as the year goes on.
Reid, and Biden repeatedly tried to divide Boehner from the tea party candidates saying that he has to forget the tea party radicals and do what is right. Did you hear Boehner screaming at the top of his lungs that it was tea party candidates for the most part that kicked their ass, sent people to Washington to implement change? Did you once hear him reminding the democrats the tea party candidates ate their lunch?
Perhaps he could have mentioned that the tea partiers might just be right, massive cuts must take place and now, but no I never heard that.
One thing I do know is the negotiations was not over when Obama broke his word with Boehner and told him no in the article I sent you. Boehner could easily have said "sorry Mr. President, am I correct in understanding that you gave me your word and you are now going back on your promise?" Then shut up and let the room be quiet and see what happens. Boehner could easily have said, "Mr. President that is not going to cut it, let's discuss some more cuts." At least the article I read said instead he caved.
No one is arguing with you about the fact that battles remain ahead. The discussion is many feel Boehner is weak, a poor negotiator, not a committed conservative and should have done much better. My feeling is he did the best he could, which is why he needs to be replaced as speaker, he does not represent my best interests nearly as well as someone like Gingrich would have.
regards,
5412
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Yes it is an assumption.
The simple fact is there is no way Paul Ryan is going to get that budget he proposed through the Senate much less get Obama to sign it into law.
Ryan is going to have compromise and the people complaining now, will say we were sold out again.
To quote Will Pitt, bank on it.
Of course hes going to compromise. Are you serious? Have you ever 'bargained' with adversarys before?
You think its wise to start at a low figure? Wow.
Glad your not in charge.
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Reid, and Biden repeatedly tried to divide Boehner from the tea party candidates saying that he has to forget the tea party radicals and do what is right. Did you hear Boehner screaming at the top of his lungs that it was tea party candidates for the most part that kicked their ass, sent people to Washington to implement change? Did you once hear him reminding the democrats the tea party candidates ate their lunch?
regards,
5412
Amen.
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(http://i54.tinypic.com/152cml5.jpg)
I see that liberal media outlets are praising Boehner.
Meanwhile the Marxist in Chief does a Victory Lap at the Lincoln Memorial.
Nuff said.
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Of course hes going to compromise. Are you serious? Have you ever 'bargained' with adversarys before?
You think its wise to start at a low figure? Wow.
Glad your not in charge.
And I am glad you are not in charge. This whole all or nothing approach will get us no where.
Right now the best thing to do is fight for and take what we can get until we can gain more power and then be able to start forcing change.
The simple fact that they got Obama to agree with a single dime in cuts is bordering on being a miracle.
I'm done with this debate, I get it you don't like Bohner, he's not pure enough for you, blah blah blah.
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Hi,
Consider this. I am soon to be 71 years old. In my lifetime we have had a republican president with a republican congressional majority something like 4 of those years. The republicans, with the exception of Ronald Reagan have been pretty much democrat lite not wanting to get the media or public against them. We got a little different flavor with a terrible result.
Our military is in shambles.
Our defecits have destroyed the country.
Our borders stink.
I could go on and on, you get the picture.
There is an old saying, if you continue with the same type of behavior, expect the same type of result. Well damnit it is time that the Republicans change their behavior. We sent a very clear message to the party during the election. To many of us it does not look like much of a behavior change. Whoppee, we have a president that is bankrupting the nation, passed a health care law that MUST be repealed, got us into a war without congressional approval and we should be happy with budget cuts that are a fraction of a percent.
Naaah, I am sick and tired of it. Would much prefer a speaker that responds with some real solutions like the governor of Wisconsin and some of the other governors. I worked too long and hard to help Marco Rubio get elected to put up with the same old song from the RINO's. We are going to need to create conflict and win in the arena of ideas. The only time the democrats scream comprimise is when they know they have to and they start high, get their way, then praise the republicans when they cave.
Enough of that stuff, where does it get us and our country???
regards,
5412
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They should have shut down the government. This ain't 1995 and I don't think it would have hurt the GOP as much as some seem to think it would.
That said, I was surprised that they got the cuts that they did. They went in asking for too low of an amopunt to begin with. They should have gone in demanding a full 100 billion and settled for 50 - 60.
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The repub majority in Congress controls 1/2 of 1/3 of the federal government. The deal was far from perfect, but it's a start.
This can't be Boehner or leadership, but I'd like to see some Republicans continue the message that the Dems care more about funding Planned Parenthood than they do America's brave troops.
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Hi,
Duke I am with you on Boehner. Think Gingrich would have done things differently??
Damn right!
5412
Newt Gingrich is giving John Boehner some high marks for his performance as speaker leading up to Friday night's near-government shutdown.
"I think John Boehner did a very good job getting a total of $70 billion in cuts," Gingrich told POLTICO ahead of his speech to the Spartanburg County GOP convention. "When you score them out over a ten year period they will be hundreds of billions lower in the baseline."
Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/default/article/Gingrich-praises-Boehner-after-budget-battles-1330085.php#ixzz1J7ZC7sxh
Gingrich disagrees with you.
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Hi,
I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Sure we can publish one opinion after another. Regardless of what was agreed upon it is going to get tougher as the year goes on.
Reid, and Biden repeatedly tried to divide Boehner from the tea party candidates saying that he has to forget the tea party radicals and do what is right. Did you hear Boehner screaming at the top of his lungs that it was tea party candidates for the most part that kicked their ass, sent people to Washington to implement change? Did you once hear him reminding the democrats the tea party candidates ate their lunch?
Perhaps he could have mentioned that the tea partiers might just be right, massive cuts must take place and now, but no I never heard that.
One thing I do know is the negotiations was not over when Obama broke his word with Boehner and told him no in the article I sent you. Boehner could easily have said "sorry Mr. President, am I correct in understanding that you gave me your word and you are now going back on your promise?" Then shut up and let the room be quiet and see what happens. Boehner could easily have said, "Mr. President that is not going to cut it, let's discuss some more cuts." At least the article I read said instead he caved.
No one is arguing with you about the fact that battles remain ahead. The discussion is many feel Boehner is weak, a poor negotiator, not a committed conservative and should have done much better. My feeling is he did the best he could, which is why he needs to be replaced as speaker, he does not represent my best interests nearly as well as someone like Gingrich would have.
regards,
5412
Go back and read the articles I posted which explained how the compromise came to be -- Boehner did what no other speaker has done in allowing his freshman tea party caucus to write the script. He consulted and included them right up to inking the deal.
Enough of this nonsense. Hate the man, I don't care. Boehner got the job done, and we are moving forward to the next battle.
Purists do nothing aside from whine from the sidelines -- they are quite proficient with that. Congressional members like Rand Paul put forward plans that have no chance whatsoever at coming to fruition, but the party can't help themselves when the dog and pony show is in town.
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Of course hes going to compromise. Are you serious? Have you ever 'bargained' with adversarys before?
You think its wise to start at a low figure? Wow.
Glad your not in charge.
Negotiations are at am impasse from the get when you start way out in left field. Especially when the you are one against two at the table.
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The Deal
April 9, 2011 9:34 P.M.
By Rich Lowry
My two cents: A lot depends on how you viewed the stakes and the risks. If you thought cutting a few tens of billions more in spending this fiscal year would make a major difference in the country’s future, and/or thought a shutdown would be a political winner for Republicans, you have to be disappointed that Boehner didn’t push it further. Since I believed neither of those things to be true, I had low expectations. I saw the whole confrontation through the prism of two major downside risks: 1) a shutdown that could go awry politically and badly hurt Republicans three months into their House majority; 2) a poisonous split in the caucus that would make it impossible for House Republicans to fight cohesively on the big items to come. Boehner has apparently avoided both of those outcomes while pushing Democrats from $0 billion to $38.5 billion on the top-line number on cuts. We still don’t know the composition of those cuts and I suspect they will do less to reduce the baseline for future spending than we’d like (which is why I’d be wary of hailing these cuts as “historic,†etc.–there may be less than meets the eye). It’s also disappointing that Planned Parenthood got off the hook, but it always seemed too good to be true that Republicans would fight and win a shutdown fight with Planned Parenthood front and center. Overall, it looks like a very modest win in a very modest game. Up next is the debate over the debt ceiling, which offers the possibility for imposing much more consequential, far-reaching restraints on spending. And it’s always worth remembering that the fundamental problem here really isn’t a lack of guts so much as a lack of the Senate and the White House. Get both of those things in 2012, and we’ll be talking trillions rather than billions in cuts and Planned Parenthood will not get another thin dime of federal money.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner
Well Rich, reality escapes many.
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Go back and read the articles I posted which explained how the compromise came to be -- Boehner did what no other speaker has done in allowing his freshman tea party caucus to write the script. He consulted and included them right up to inking the deal.
Enough of this nonsense. Hate the man, I don't care. Boehner got the job done, and we are moving forward to the next battle.
Purists do nothing aside from whine from the sidelines -- they are quite proficient with that. Congressional members like Rand Paul put forward plans that have no chance whatsoever at coming to fruition, but the party can't help themselves when the dog and pony show is in town.
Hi Formerlurker,
As I said, we shall agree to disagree. If you are calling me a purist, I am not too pleased so I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Not once have I attacked anyone personally. That is one thing I truly appreciate about this board is folks try to deal with the issue and personal attacks are kept at a minimum.
With that being said, I have one thing to add. You say Rand Paul's idea has no chance. Wonder how many thought that Obamacare had no chance??? Obama promised to fundamentally change and remake America and passed a bunch of legislation, and passed it in such a manner that we have never seen before. As a result the Tea Party groups formed and there was a huge pushback. Well tweaking the system and business as usual for Republicans is not going to fix much.
As far as Gingrich supporting Boehner, I take that with a grain of salt. Gingrich has ideas of running for president and if a miracle occured and he won he would have to work with Boehner and need his support.
This is one issue where I really, truly, from the bottom of my heart hope I am wrong and you are right. As you can tell I am also skeptical, as is Dick Morris, and we will wait until the next battle and see.
regards,
5412
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I have realistic expectations. I realize that we may have the house but, that is all we have.
Boehner can't wave a magic wand and make his will law of the land magically appear.
From what I have seen they are standing up to Obama as much as possible and sometimes they will win, and sometimes they will lose.
Maybe I'm the only one here not throwing a pity party right now.
I know the DUmmie FUnnies are not a news agency, but anyway, according to the most-recent edition, P-J Comix informs his readers that
One overlooked facet of this deal is that the Senate will ONCE AGAIN be forced to vote on ObamaCare. BEAUTIFUL!!! Imagine the reaction of the two Democrat Nelsons in the Senate who face tough reelection campaigns due to their original ObamaCare vote that they have to vote on this poison bill AGAIN.
Anybody know if this is true?
If so, good news, great news. John Boehner wins again.
And this
Not only that, but funding for Planned Parenthood and NPR will be a stand-alone votes, putting conservative democrats on the spot and making them more visible campaign issues.
Anybody know if this is true?
If so, good news, great news.
And this
On the table THIS ROUND was $60 billion of cuts. Boehner got $38 billion PLUS another ObamaCare vote which is a great fringe benefit. Keep in mind this is ROUND ONE. The next round comes next month with the debt ceiling debate and then late this summer with the 2012 budget debate comes ROUND THREE. Each one should slice more off the budget so, like I said, this is just ROUND ONE.
P-J's right.
There's nothing but good news of one nature or another in all this.
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Well, we shall see what we shall see.
I am far from a purist but a few billion in cuts against trillions seems a bit like trying to empty the ocean with one leaky bucket.
If the Senate really does vote on repeal, that will be major. But I have seen the GOP rolled too many times to count on anything they win via negotiation until it actually happens.
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I know the DUmmie FUnnies are not a news agency, but anyway, according to the most-recent edition, P-J Comix informs his readers that
Anybody know if this is true?
If so, good news, great news. John Boehner wins again.
And this
Anybody know if this is true?
If so, good news, great news.
And this
P-J's right.
There's nothing but good news of one nature or another in all this.
There will be an up and down vote on these.
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Hi Formerlurker,
As I said, we shall agree to disagree. If you are calling me a purist, I am not too pleased so I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Not once have I attacked anyone personally. That is one thing I truly appreciate about this board is folks try to deal with the issue and personal attacks are kept at a minimum.
With that being said, I have one thing to add. You say Rand Paul's idea has no chance. Wonder how many thought that Obamacare had no chance??? Obama promised to fundamentally change and remake America and passed a bunch of legislation, and passed it in such a manner that we have never seen before. As a result the Tea Party groups formed and there was a huge pushback. Well tweaking the system and business as usual for Republicans is not going to fix much.
As far as Gingrich supporting Boehner, I take that with a grain of salt. Gingrich has ideas of running for president and if a miracle occured and he won he would have to work with Boehner and need his support.
This is one issue where I really, truly, from the bottom of my heart hope I am wrong and you are right. As you can tell I am also skeptical, as is Dick Morris, and we will wait until the next battle and see.
regards,
5412
When Rand Paul has the white house, the house and the senate then you can dream.
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Sorry Tea Partiers, but the GOP won this budget battle despite that you didn't get all you wanted, this was a major GOP win. In fact, treating it otherwise endangers further cuts and bigger budget wins. If the drive to cut the budget stops now, it might be YOUR fault!
What is that you say? Gosh, we only got a paltry $38.5 billion in cuts? You say this is a loss because we were promised $100 billion and even that is a drop in the bucket with a budget trillions overspent?
Yes, your laments are all true to a degree. And here's the "but" you know is coming…
…but it's time for you Tea Partiers to grow up and learn a little something about reality and politics. Oh, you can scrunch your face up all you want over that dirty word, "politics." But you'd better come to learn, it, live it, and love it if you really want to keep your influence and continue pushing the government down this new path to the budget cuts.
http://www.redcounty.com/content/hey-tea-partiers-gop-winning
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Well, we shall see what we shall see.
I am far from a purist but a few billion in cuts against trillions seems a bit like trying to empty the ocean with one leaky bucket.
If the Senate really does vote on repeal, that will be major. But I have seen the GOP rolled too many times to count on anything they win via negotiation until it actually happens.
I agree. The last few elections has left only 2 choices. If your a leech on society or your just a constitutional representative republic illiterate ... vote democrat. If your held hostage because the other choice is unimaginable ... vote republican.
Obama has declared war on economic prosperity and liberty against our citizenry. He brings and abuses the whole weight of the office of the Presidency he now holds against the achievers, the producers and the voters in this country. We are in a fight for our very survival. He brings a gun to the fight. Some on our side seem to be content with spit balls. I just dont know how else to compare it. But this is why we (the tea party, aka as the 'extemists' and the 'purists') are pushing back. As a result we got the House back and those who have been there for decades are now holding the leadership positions. They got those positions because its 'their turn' not because we agreed with their leadership 'style'.
Republicans have historically been out of power (holding the House, the Senate and the Executive) for so long they really dont know how to behave when they are in charge. They just dont. And now those same republicans who have helped make the last few elections to be a choice between tweedle dee and tweedle dum are now approaching their zenith of power again. The dems on the other hand are the party of Big Gov't. They believe they are 'entitled'. They have the odd notion that the power in Washington is their 'birth right'. And strangely enough some on our side have behaved in a way which seems to indicate that they agree with them. Except for the little morsels and crumbs that they are occasionally allowed to 'relish' in. This is what the freshman tea partiers face when they get there. This is what befuddles them.
I actually hold out more hope for the Senate than the House for the 'brass balls' to get here. Especially after what Ive just seen. Although again, historically its the House that held the 'brass rings'. But I for one am not going to wait ... or stop putting the pressure on. Esp when the stakes are this high. People want to call me and others 'purists' and 'extremists' are free to do this all day long. But I will not shrink from it. We had the same sort of behavior during the revolution. One third of the colonists wanted to stay with the crown. One third weren't sure and could have gone either way. And ONLY one third were willing to place their lives and fortunes on the line to break away from the tyrannical monarchy. Not quite a fair comparison, but you get my drift. 1/3 of the country brought the other 2/3's along (some of them kicking and screaming) without which we would not be a nation today. So thank God for the one third of 'purists' and 'extremists'. Today the few of us (the tea party) will drag the rest of the milk toast along with us to victory over the tyranny that is currently enveloping the entire nation like a dark cloud if we must. And just as they were then, they will be today .. an ungrateful lot. But the urgency cannot be overstated. Its either now or never. Yes, there are future battles. But the only ones that matter now are the ones that are standing right in front of us. If not now - when? If not us - who? And if the leaders now are so willing to 'pay tuesday for a hamburger today' now, what will they do tomorrow? Or the next day?
Obama also brought brass knuckles and we are going down for the count. Whether you agree or not. Whether you understand this or not. Its no time for 'niceties'. These guys are playing for keeps. If you wanna stand on the sidelines.. fine. But the Red Coats are coming... 'muzzle not the horse that treadeth the corn'.
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I agree. The last few elections has left only 2 choices. If your a leech on society or your just a constitutional representative republic illiterate ... vote democrat. If your held hostage because the other choice is unimaginable ... vote republican.
Obama has declared war on economic prosperity and liberty against our citizenry. He brings and abuses the whole weight of the office of the Presidency he now holds against the achievers, the producers and the voters in this country. We are in a fight for our very survival. He brings a gun to the fight. Some on our side seem to be content with spit balls. I just dont know how else to compare it. But this is why we (the tea party, aka as the 'extemists' and the 'purists') are pushing back. As a result we got the House back and those who have been there for decades are now holding the leadership positions. They got those positions because its 'their turn' not because we agreed with their leadership 'style'.
Republicans have historically been out of power (holding the House, the Senate and the Executive) for so long they really dont know how to behave when they are in charge. They just dont. And now those same republicans who have helped make the last few elections to be a choice between tweedle dee and tweedle dum are now approaching their zenith of power again. The dems on the other hand are the party of Big Gov't. They believe they are 'entitled'. They have the odd notion that the power in Washington is their 'birth right'. And strangely enough some on our side have behaved in a way which seems to indicate that they agree with them. Except for the little morsels and crumbs that they are occasionally allowed to 'relish' in. This is what the freshman tea partiers face when they get there. This is what befuddles them.
I actually hold out more hope for the Senate than the House for the 'brass balls' to get here. Especially after what Ive just seen. Although again, historically its the House that held the 'brass rings'. But I for one am not going to wait ... or stop putting the pressure on. Esp when the stakes are this high. People want to call me and others 'purists' and 'extremists' are free to do this all day long. But I will not shrink from it. We had the same sort of behavior during the revolution. One third of the colonists wanted to stay with the crown. One third weren't sure and could have gone either way. And ONLY one third were willing to place their lives and fortunes on the line to break away from the tyrannical monarchy. Not quite a fair comparison, but you get my drift. 1/3 of the country brought the other 2/3's along (some of them kicking and screaming) without which we would not be a nation today. So thank God for the one third of 'purists' and 'extremists'. Today the few of us (the tea party) will drag the rest of the milk toast along with us to victory over the tyranny that is currently enveloping the entire nation like a dark cloud if we must. And just as they were then, they will be today .. an ungrateful lot. But the urgency cannot be overstated. Its either now or never. Yes, there are future battles. But the only ones that matter now are the ones that are standing right in front of us. If not now - when? If not us - who? And if the leaders now are so willing to 'pay tuesday for a hamburger today' now, what will they do tomorrow? Or the next day?
Obama also brought brass knuckles and we are going down for the count. Whether you agree or not. Whether you understand this or not. Its no time for 'niceties'. These guys are playing for keeps. If you wanna stand on the sidelines.. fine. But the Red Coats are coming... 'muzzle not the horse that treadeth the corn'.
I never said the tea party is extremists and purists. I don't paint with a broad brush and you shouldn't either.
You may know what you want, but don't have a damn clue on how to achieve it. Thank God there are some folks in Congress who do.
Obama and brass knuckles? Oh my how you do go on.
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You may know what you want, but don't have a damn clue on how to achieve it. Thank God there are some folks in Congress who do.
Obama and brass knuckles? Oh my how you do go on.
Oh darn ... forgot my rose colored glasses again. (http://i54.tinypic.com/2ily4pz.gif)
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Frank - I like the perspective you shared from DU FUnnies.
We HAVE to look at the silver lining in all of this and plan for 2012. This back-biting nonsense is nothing but red meat for our enemies. No wonder they outmaneuver us.
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Some tea party members (note -- not all, most get this is a good thing) don't know how to get out of their own way. Red County is correct -- stop whining, we are writing the script now. This is ours to lose going forward.
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http://www.redcounty.com/content/hey-tea-partiers-gop-winning
Hi,
Well I read the article. Sounds to me like a true RINO wrote it out of fear that the donations to the RNC would continue to drop off.
If the Republicans continue with the same type of behavior, we must expect the same type of results. Looks to me like same old same old crap we have seen for decades.
We shall agree to disagree and I am pulling for you to be right.
5412
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These are very dangerous waters (http://www.facebook.com/WeStandwithWalker/posts/123866904358302?notif_t=like#!/notes/mark-levin/these-are-very-dangerous-waters/10150151506625946)
.by Mark Levin on Sunday, April 10, 2011 at 9:01pm.
These beltway folks are blinded by their camaraderie or something. Obama is not playing catch up and the GOP is not united. The Tea Party is very disappointed, and rightly so. And without the Tea Party the GOP cannot win majorities.
While these Republicans are doing a victory lap and praising Boehner, and dumping on conservatives for not partying with them, the smart Democrats are plotting. They're purposely framing this deal the same way as Ms. Rubin, et al --as a win for the GOP and Boehner. They're agreeing that these are big cuts when they're not. Why? Because Obama's about to propose his own budget and deficit package and he'll attempt to outmaneuver our celebrants. He will raise hundreds of billions in taxes (on "the rich" of course); he will slash defense spending; he will play with the numbers and claim to be cutting other areas; he'll put out phony numbers on Obamacare again claiming it will save hundreds of billions; he'll come up with more smoke and mirrors pretending to reform Medicare and Medicaid, and he will attempt to obscure the Ryan Plan, insisting his approach is reasonable, serious, and fair. Meanwhile, Obama will be fighting to protect trillions in spending while the GOP is proudly touting its $38.5 billion (if that) victory.
These are very dangerous waters. And the poor judgment of some, who seek to read conservatives out of the conservative movement while now promoting the cult of Boehner, is truly stupid, particularly since so many of them have contributed little or nothing to the movement over the decades.
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To Boehner, I Guess November 2010 Was No Big Deal
(http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2011/04/to-boehner-i-guess-november-2010-was-no-big-deal.html)
Some folks seem to be missing my points as regards what Boehner is doing that disappoints so much. I thought, as I assumed most of you did, that November 2010 was a re-defining election. I realize it wasn't a Presidential election year. But just as Democrats swept the table in 2008, Republicans did it in 2010 based upon a message of getting government under control.
When Boehner says, as he evidently repeatedly does behind closed doors, we only control 1/2 of 1/3 of government, he is completely ignoring, while minimizing the significance of Nov, 2010. See below. This is the thinking of a man playing defense, not offense; one more afraid, than he is bold.
Behind closed doors, however, he began selling the idea of a compromise to his caucus, reminding the 87 new Republican House members that his party controls only that chamber and lacks the influence to impose its will on the Democratic- controlled Senate and White House. In private meetings, Boehner argued that a shutdown could have catastrophic effects for the party by handing Democrats a political “win.â€
Hat tip: Mark Levin. And, of course to Boehner Nov 2010 was no big deal. He did nothing to create the circumstance. He doesn't own the victory so he doesn't care how badly it is graffiti-ed up.
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My statement on the budget deal: No more pale pastels (http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/10/my-statement-on-the-budget-deal-no-more-pale-pastels/)
By Jedediah Bila
The United States is over $14 trillion in debt.
The AP reported in March that, “The federal government’s budget deficit grew by $222.5 billion in February, the largest one-month increase in history. Economists are forecasting the deficit for the year will be the biggest imbalance on record.â€
So, am I popping the cork on the champagne to celebrate a budget deal that delivers $38.5 billion in cuts and does nothing to prevent funding the implementation of Obamacare? That would be a big, fat no.
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As Dick Morris asked, “Having failed to stand firm for just $61 billion in cuts in a budget of $3.7 trillion, how can we expect him to stand firm over the debt limit extension or the 2012 budget?†As of right now, my assumption is that we can’t.
I know that John Boehner has a tough job, but I also know that we can no longer afford to play around with pale pastels. It’s time for bold colors to take the lead.
Never lose sight of one thing: Those running the show in D.C. have power only because we continue to give it to them. It is we who hold the ultimate power in our hands — that of our votes. And the same votes that sent a slew of Democrats packing in November of 2010 can send business-as-usual Republicans packing in 2012.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/10/my-statement-on-the-budget-deal-no-more-pale-pastels/#ixzz1JBcK0a8F
Hat tip: Mark Levin
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Never lose sight of one thing: Those running the show in D.C. have power only because we continue to give it to them. It is we who hold the ultimate power in our hands — that of our votes. And the same votes that sent a slew of Democrats packing in November of 2010 can send business-as-usual Republicans packing in 2012.
Hat tip: Mark Levin
Thats what Im sayin. 2 more elections to separate the wheat from the chaff. :cheersmate:
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffG-0IZF4bY[/youtube]
Mark Levin Talks Budget Deal with Neil Cavuto on Fox News.
Mark says that the Republicans deceived and deliberately lied to conservatives and the American people regarding this budget bill. The so-called "$38.5 billion dollar cut," is not nearly that high, and is in fact much lower. Yet, Speaker Boehner and others are talking about it like this is a great accomplishment or a win for conservatism, when it's not. We are divided today because a small amount of the population is liberal but they control so much of the government and are trying to transform America into a vision that is not coherent with the Constitution.
Nothing like a constitutional lawyer (who served in the Reagan administration as Deputy Attorney General under Former Attorney General Edwin Meese (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXR1q1wgzzk)) to help shed a little light on things.
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No doubt about it, Boehner lied.
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Yes. This $38.5 Billion cut was not a $38.5 Billion cut. They actually agreed to only $10-$15 Billion in cuts. And if that wasnt bad enough, the repub leaders in the House and their cheer leaders were inflating the numbers greater than that telling us that it was a $78 Billion cut based on what 0bama had wanted to spend if he had had his way, which he had not had his way. Boehner himself was on Fox News claiming this was about $78 - 80 Billion cuts. We were deliberately deceived. This is a historic scam. A ponzei scheme. How can you do this and expect people to back you? Boehner, Cantor, McCarthy and others fed the media this crap - for what? To deceive us. What else could it be?
So this $38.5 Billion - $10 Billion had already been cut, 2 Billion had already been cut in the third CR last week. $10 - 12 Billion of it was money that was never going to be spent. Census money that was left over, highway funds and others that were left over and wasnt going to be spent this year. So they essentially mark it up drastically, cut a little bit of it, then tell us what a massive cut it is!
And remember Boehner originally promised that if he were made Speaker his first action would be to repeal the $105 Billion Obamacare slush fund.
Also it turns out the debt jumped $54.1 Billion in 8 days preceding the Boehner-Obama deal (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/debt-jumped-54-billion-8-days-preceding) to cut $38.5 Billion for the rest of year.
Conservatives need to learn to be skeptical of information that is hand fed to them. Like the media used to be. Now the democrat leadership is taking the lies the repub leadership fed us to campaign for the next election. They are going to use the same lies with some lies of their own. So now theyre the deficit hawks. Wonderful isnt it?
Its no wonder Pelosi had this to say at Tufts University last week: (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/04/028813.php)
"To my Republican friends, take back your party so that it doesn't matter so much who wins the election because we have shared values." In other words, it's fine if Republicans win elections so long as they agree with us. But she couldn't stop there. She added this: "The fact is, elections shouldn't matter as much as they do."
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And now the debt ceiling isn't the fight that we should engage in. Boehner is engaged in boiling the frog by turning up the heat slowly.
He can fool enough conservatives to thinking he has no power so this $15 Billion is the best cut he could get and now he cannot risk the good faith and credit of the United States. But don't worry, Boehner will fight for the Ryan budget.
Until it is time to fight for it and then there will be a bigger battle in the future.
Boehner is a liar.
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Apparently we are not alone. Not only were most informed tea partiers against this fiasco (remember the tea partiers? You know .. the ones who made it possible to take back the House and several Governorships) but 28 GOP House members also voted against the deal that House Speaker John Boehner has just made. So all may not be lost. Either the leadership can stop standing on the sidelines (waiting for us to take back the Senate and the White House to make their jobs easier) and grow a set or they can step aside and we can fill the slots with those who are prepared to do so. :banghead:
Speaking of tea partys Im going to another tea party event this weekend featuring speakers like Marco Rubio and Herman Caine. :koolaid:
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CBO Says Budget Deal Will Cut Spending by Only $352 Million (http://www.nationaljournal.com/budget/cbo-says-budget-deal-will-cut-spending-by-only-352-million-20110413)
Every day, Boehner's victory is littler and littler.
Life's hysterical
You're holding on the best you can
You're incredible
Incredible shrinking man
--Daniel Amos
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And the latest news about this fabulous deal made by the most astute Republican leader of the House in recent memory ...
Mark Steyn reports in the NRO that the $61 billion 38.5 billion 14 billion historic 2011 budget cut actually cuts $352 million from the 2011 budget!
Budget Cuts Priced to Clear! (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/264680/budget-cuts-priced-clear-mark-steyn)
The article goes on to say ... the joke inre to the original $38.5 billion deal was that, in the time it took to negotiate it, we added as much again in new debt (we’re borrowing about $4 billion a day). We didn’t know the half of it: Never mind negotiating, in the time it takes to type up the bill, we’ve borrowed as much as it “savesâ€. By the time this thing’s through, the cost of the Secret Service detail lugging the Obamaprompter to whichever grade school he announces the final definitive historic budget “cuts†at will be three times as much as any actual savings. >>> I wonder if Republicans are aware that the more they talk like that the more they sound like Nancy Pelosi for post-moderns: We have to pass the gargantuan bill so you can find out how little’s in it.
At some point, you have to close a cabinet department just to show you’re serious. Instead, the governing class is sending the message that the political institutions of the United States are so diseased they do not permit meaningful course correction.