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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: Freeper on April 07, 2011, 04:45:06 PM
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So what do you think shutdown or no?
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We're taking it as a given around here.
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I dunno. But I sure wish I woulda filed my taxes sooner. :loser:
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Joooooooooooooooooooooooos!!!!!
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Reid and Obama do seem intent on making it happen.
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I'm confused, I understand when and why our government shuts down however, knowing very little about the system in the states I don't understand why this could happen or what it actually means.
Mind you I have yet to read the news however, could someone fill me in on what's happening and why?
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I'm confused, I understand when and why our government shuts down however, knowing very little about the system in the states I don't understand why this could happen or what it actually means.
Mind you I have yet to read the news however, could someone fill me in on what's happening and why?
I would, but they are shutting off my comp---
[user offline due to government shut down of all non-emer---
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I'm confused, I understand when and why our government shuts down however, knowing very little about the system in the states I don't understand why this could happen or what it actually means.
Mind you I have yet to read the news however, could someone fill me in on what's happening and why?
It means a lot of pissing and moaning from the left.
Basically most people won't notice a difference from any other day.
Some fed workers may get some free days off. The military will get paid because I don't believe the Dems are stupid enough to pull that stunt and try to blame the GOP. If it does shut down I bet the dems will scramble to fund the military paychecks, after they piss and moan about how evil the GOP is. You can also expect that every political ad from the Dems next year will try like hell to pin this on the GOP.
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I hope they close it down for at least 3 or 4 weeks or longer. Much longer. But I dunno. It does seem as though mother superior (John Boehner) finally got the memo. But its prob tough for him as he bats his long and oh so pretty eye lashes at 0dumbo, hoping to avoid any conflict (as all true blue RINOs are want to do behind the scenes).
Its a tough call. It could make Boehner break down and cry again ...But maybe he likes the act. Who knows?
Im guessing its hard for a leopard to change its spots and just as difficult for "the ruling class" to put the country ahead of political posturing. And of course, for RINOs to let go of their their little wind up beanie caps because they are oh soo smart.
:popcorn:
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I voted that there would be no govt shutdown, but it wouldnt surprise me if it was actually shut down for a very short time .. maybe 2 or 3 days. I dont think that Boehner could resist running over to the dems to bend over and grab the ankles for much longer than that for a paltry $40-60B cut.
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I voted that there would be no govt shutdown, but it wouldnt surprise me if it was actually shut down for a very short time .. maybe 2 or 3 days. I dont think that Boehner could resist running over to the dems to bend over and grab the ankles for much longer than that for a paltry $40-60B cut.
If you can figure out how to get $600 billion in cuts for the 5 remain months of the FY, I'm all ears.
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I voted that there would be no govt shutdown, but it wouldnt surprise me if it was actually shut down for a very short time .. maybe 2 or 3 days. I dont think that Boehner could resist running over to the dems to bend over and grab the ankles for much longer than that for a paltry $40-60B cut.
Yeah because he's caved since day one.
They didn't pass a bill to repeal obamacare, they haven't been fighting the dems over spending, in fact they have bent over backwards every time to give Obama exactly what he wants. :whatever:
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Yeah because he's caved since day one.
They didn't pass a bill to repeal obamacare, they haven't been fighting the dems over spending, in fact they have bent over backwards every time to give Obama exactly what he wants. :whatever:
I could be misremembering, but I believe the House did do exactly that. Futile and purely-symbolic gesture that it was, of course, since the Senate Majority Leader, Reid, essentially controls what gets to the floor of the Senate, and also controls enough votes to defeat it even if it was to be put to a vote there.
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I could be misremembering, but I believe the House did do exactly that. Futile and purely-symbolic gesture that it was, of course, since the Senate Majority Leader, Reid, essentially controls what gets to the floor of the Senate, and also controls enough votes to defeat it even if it was to be put to a vote there.
I was being sarcastic.
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I am sick of the charade. If Boehner had any stones he would have tried to pass the higher cuts knowing the dems would deny them. They're going to demagogue it anyways. Make them defend it dammit! Over and over and over again. Defend spending unborn Americans future. Defend printing more money in 2 years than in all the previous 200 years combined. Yeah. Make 'em defend it!
But instead Boehner tips his hand and raises the white flag before its even put up for a vote. This is 'leadership'? Is this part of the 'change we can believe in' or what? You almost have to wonder if 0bozo and Boehner are related.
It just seems like republican (leadership) seldom misses an opportunity to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Especially these clowns who have been on Crapital Hill for decades. The 'Crap' has gone to their heads and their spines are left at the entry doors of congress. You know? Just another day. Doesnt matter that we are bankrupting our childrens and grand childrens future. Ho-hum.
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I am sick of the charade. If Boehner had any stones he would have tried to pass the higher cuts knowing the dems would deny them. They're going to demagogue it anyways. Make them defend it dammit! Over and over and over again. Defend spending unborn Americans future. Defend printing more money in 2 years than in all the previous 200 years combined. Yeah. Make 'em defend it!
But instead Boehner tips his hand and raises the white flag before its even put up for a vote. This is 'leadership'? Is this part of the 'change we can believe in' or what? You almost have to wonder if 0bozo and Boehner are related.
It just seems like republican (leadership) seldom misses an opportunity to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Especially these clowns who have been on Crapital Hill for decades. The 'Crap' has gone to their heads and their spines are left at the entry doors of congress. You know? Just another day. Doesnt matter that we are bankrupting our childrens and grand childrens future. Ho-hum.
This is the hardest I have seen the GOP fight for what we the voters asked from them in a long time.
Is it perfect? No, it's not.
Some conservatives are as bad as the people on DU thinking that their party can wave a magic wand and everything they want magically becomes law.
We have one house out of the 3 and we will be lucky to get a single dime in any cuts with Reid and Obama having the power to squash anything we try. For now the GOPis fighting and trying to show the American people that they are serious about moving forward on cutting the budget and balancing the damn thing.
It's going to take a decade at the very least in order to correct the sins of the past. If conservatives start bellyaching and complaining because change didn't come over night we are doomed because the dems will use that and take over all 3 houses again.
I honestly believe some people on my side need to grow up and realize that you can't get everything you want and instead of badmouthing those currently fighting to change things give them a break unless they start totally backing down which they may if our side isn't encouraging them to keep fighting.
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I am sick of the charade...
And the fact that US forces didn't move from Normandy to Berlin when a drive on the autobahn for the same distance would only last a few hours proves what commie-sympathizing ***** Eisenhower really was!
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I am sick of the charade. If Boehner had any stones he would have tried to pass the higher cuts knowing the dems would deny them. They're going to demagogue it anyways. Make them defend it dammit! Over and over and over again. Defend spending unborn Americans future. Defend printing more money in 2 years than in all the previous 200 years combined. Yeah. Make 'em defend it!
But instead Boehner tips his hand and raises the white flag before its even put up for a vote. This is 'leadership'? Is this part of the 'change we can believe in' or what? You almost have to wonder if 0bozo and Boehner are related.
It just seems like republican (leadership) seldom misses an opportunity to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Especially these clowns who have been on Crapital Hill for decades. The 'Crap' has gone to their heads and their spines are left at the entry doors of congress. You know? Just another day. Doesnt matter that we are bankrupting our childrens and grand childrens future. Ho-hum.
The House Republicans are in charge of 1/2 of 1/3 of the Federal government.
Please, I mean no offense, but I think what's shooting the Republicans in the foot, a lot of the time, is us. The Republicans need to remind everyone that it was the overwhelming Democrat majority who cowardly refused to pass a budget last year for political reasons.
Remember, these "spineless" House Republicans held together and fought the good fight against Obamacare. I'm not as pissed off at the house Republicans as many others are, I guess.
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The House Republicans are in charge of 1/2 of 1/3 of the Federal government.
I would also remind your interlocutor that even when the dems held both houses with super-majorities and the WH they were unable to get card-check and carbon limits passed.
That blanket de-funding of PPFA, NPR, ACORN and limits on the EPA etc are even passed ONE house is more than I would have dared dreamed last November when I was voting.
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I am sick of the charade. If Boehner had any stones he would have tried to pass the higher cuts knowing the dems would deny them. They're going to demagogue it anyways. Make them defend it dammit! Over and over and over again. Defend spending unborn Americans future. Defend printing more money in 2 years than in all the previous 200 years combined. Yeah. Make 'em defend it!
But instead Boehner tips his hand and raises the white flag before its even put up for a vote. This is 'leadership'? Is this part of the 'change we can believe in' or what? You almost have to wonder if 0bozo and Boehner are related.
It just seems like republican (leadership) seldom misses an opportunity to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Especially these clowns who have been on Crapital Hill for decades. The 'Crap' has gone to their heads and their spines are left at the entry doors of congress. You know? Just another day. Doesnt matter that we are bankrupting our childrens and grand childrens future. Ho-hum.
The Dems are already blaming the shutdown on the GOP's refusal to compromise, but the gap is narrow enough that most reasonable people will be able to see (hopefully) that the blame cannot be laid entirely on the GOP's doorstep. If the GOP cuts were ten times as big they would have no chance of getting the budget through the Senate and across the President's desk, and the claims that they are being deliberately obstructive would like start to sound reasonable to people.
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I wonder if there could be a second shut down like in 1995.
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I would also remind your interlocutor that even when the dems held both houses with super-majorities and the WH they were unable to get card-check and carbon limits passed.
That blanket de-funding of PPFA, NPR, ACORN and limits on the EPA etc are even passed ONE house is more than I would have dared dreamed last November when I was voting.
Agreed. They have done a remarkable job and should be commended. The lingering worry is that they become complacent and wither away.
If I had a rep that was worthwhile I would be writing a thank you note right now.
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The Republicans need to remind everyone that it was the overwhelming Democrat majority who cowardly refused to pass a budget last year for political reasons.
That is exactly what happened last night on O'Reilly and Hannity. Their respective interviewees were continually peppered with the question as to why, when both Houses of Congress were controlled by Dems, a budget wasn't passed.
Hannity's turd was particularly shrill and bleating. His excuse ran the gamut from dealing with cap & trade, the next round of raising the deficit ceiling ( :whatever: ) and other such lame bullshit.
But I give both BOR and Hannity credit for sticking it to 'em.
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The House Republicans are in charge of 1/2 of 1/3 of the Federal government.
Please, I mean no offense, but I think what's shooting the Republicans in the foot, a lot of the time, is us. The Republicans need to remind everyone that it was the overwhelming Democrat majority who cowardly refused to pass a budget last year for political reasons.
Remember, these "spineless" House Republicans held together and fought the good fight against Obamacare. I'm not as pissed off at the house Republicans as many others are, I guess.
Shooting the republicans in the foot is almost as big a sport here, as it is at DU.
Granted when the GOP is wrong I join the chorus, however I don't see any evidence of being sold out yet.
Just because they can't deliver 100% of what we demand does not mean they have sold us out. When they start joining the choir with the Democrats then I will say we have been sold out. Until then I will hope that they continue fighting like they have been and get what they can for now, and hopefully in 2013 we will control at least 2, if not all 3 houses. If they get that and slack off then I will join the we have been sold out choir.
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Voted yes. Midnight is just around the corner, and I think it's imminent.
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But I give both BOR and Hannity credit for sticking it to 'em.
Lots of DU'er say the same thing albeit for different reasons. They wanna know why the dems didn't grab more cookies while they still had their hand in the jar.
But political reality was if they passed their version of a budget, even if just to freeze spending, the cost would have the dems even more than what they already lost.
We'll win this but it's gonna be one hilltop at a time. That Boehner stuck PPFA, NPR etc into the mix was a parachute drop behind enemy lines to cut their logistics and communications. If you had asked me 2 months ago what his strategy on those strongholds would have be I'd've said he would wait until 2012. Apparently, he feels the enemy is falling back across the entire front--especially when they lost their flank guard in Madison--and he's confident he can press the assault to link-up and trap a large number of enemy maneuver units. That Obama decided to counter with an attack on OUR stronghold (the military paycheck) is a bridge too far for them.
(is that too militarized an analogy?)
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We'll win this but it's gonna be one hilltop at a time. That Boehner stuck PPFA, NPR etc into the mix was a parachute drop behind enemy lines to cut their logistics and communications. If you had asked me 2 months ago what his strategy on those strongholds would have be I'd've said he would wait until 2012. Apparently, he feels the enemy is falling back across the entire front--especially when they lost their flank guard in Madison--and he's confident he can press the assault to link-up and trap a large number of enemy maneuver units. That Obama decided to counter with an attack on OUR stronghold (the military paycheck) is a bridge too far for them.
Holding military pay hostage for public funding for abortion is NOT the hill that I'd choose to die on politically.....even for a Dem president.......
Really dumb move.
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Didn't the house pass the extension? The bill, from what I understand, is sitting with Reid. Obama said if it passes the Senate he would VETO it. How can any of this be blamed on the GOP again?
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I was being sarcastic.
Sorry, Chris...I thought you were a lot sharper than that sounded, and was trying to be tactful instead of just calling you a dumbass...
:-)
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Sorry, Chris...I thought you were a lot sharper than that sounded, and was trying to be tactful instead of just calling you a dumbass...
...tanker(?)
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Sorry, Chris...I thought you were a lot sharper than that sounded, and was trying to be tactful instead of just calling you a dumbass...
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No biggie, I almost got banned at Free Republic shortly after I signed up for sarcasm, I forget that sometimes in print it's hard to tell.
Usually when a sentence or paragraph is followed by this smilie, :whatever: I am indicating sarcasm.
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Hmmm...
...lt big conservative names giving Boehner cover: http://hotair.com/archives/2011/04/08/huckabee-to-gop-avoid-a-shutdown-at-all-costs/
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I'd agree that with Lord Zero and his veto pen, it's pretty unrealistic to fall on your sword for a gimme like Planned Parenthood.
But when the budget battle for 2012 starts gearing up, how far are the Repubs going to back down from that one when it gets ugly?
Can we expect the same kind of bullshit, over and over and over again? Failing to pass a budget in October, and resorting to the same ol' same ol' CR's?
Quibble about billions when "the big fight" (as Bachmann puts it) is about trillions?
But I do not see the Dems on the ropes -- not by a long shot.
Ali's rope-a-dope ain't gonna help the Repubs when the MSM is determined to make the Tea Partiers look like they've hit below the belt.
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Hmm... yeah. I guess we tea partiers are the 'bad guys'. Until we take the Senate and the White House too.
:popcorn:
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I'm feeling at bit better about this deal: http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/04/09/who-won-shutdown-showdown-it-wasnt-even-close
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It means a lot of pissing and moaning from the left.
Basically most people won't notice a difference from any other day.
Some fed workers may get some free days off. The military will get paid because I don't believe the Dems are stupid enough to pull that stunt and try to blame the GOP. If it does shut down I bet the dems will scramble to fund the military paychecks, after they piss and moan about how evil the GOP is. You can also expect that every political ad from the Dems next year will try like hell to pin this on the GOP.
free days? :lmao: I actually had my resume ready to go if it happened to fill in the gap. We were told very firmly that only those who worked during the shutdown would be paid once the resolution was passed. Even though historically they have back paid federal workers, it takes a separate act of Congress to do so and in these economic times, it was not likely.
As for military pay, that's why our side passed that temporary resolution before they finally agreed. In it was the entire appropriation for the rest of the fiscal year for DoD. it would have protected the military and their support agencies from any shutdown, but the dems defeated that. This should be highlighted since they were willing to let our military and DoD go unfunded...just an fyi. For those dogging fed workers, I wish you knew the length non-appropriated agencies and their workers were willing to go to make sure our men and women in uniform had the things they need during that time should it have come. I am proud to serve in the capacity I do even more after seeing that. Sure I have my own microcosm of gripes about some of the issues in my area, but I go in proudly even more so after seeing how the leadership in my agency behaved; there is no doubt of their commitment to the people and country they serve!
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I'm feeling at bit better about this deal: http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/04/09/who-won-shutdown-showdown-it-wasnt-even-close
He went into more detail this morning on Neil Cavuto's show. I am fine with this.
We haven't even reached the true battle ground yet.
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He went into more detail this morning on Neil Cavuto's show. I am fine with this.
We haven't even reached the true battle ground yet.
Yup - the debt ceiling (somewhere up in the stratocirrus by now) and the 2012 debacle shitstorm budget.
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I'm feeling at bit better about this deal: http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/04/09/who-won-shutdown-showdown-it-wasnt-even-close
I dunno, I keep hearing this deal was the worst thing ever. :whatever: