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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: miskie on April 07, 2011, 03:14:38 PM
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Uhoh.... Time to PANIC (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x836652)!!!!11!!1!!
highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-07-11 03:44 PM
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There's been a vote-count change in Wisconsin -- Prosser is now in the lead
I hope this is only temporary and other changes give Kloppenburg the lead again.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/119421429.ht...
The latest vote count in the state Supreme Court race in Winnebago County indicates incumbent David Prosser is leading Assistant Attorney General JoAnne Kloppenburg in votes.
A tally compiled by The Associated Press Wednesday and used by news organizations statewide, including the Journal Sentinel, indicated Kloppenburg was leading the race by 204 votes. Figures on Winnebago County's website are now different from those collected by the AP.
Winnebago County's numbers say Prosser received 20,701 votes to Kloppenburg's 18,887. The AP has 19,991 for Prosser to Kloppenburg's 18,421.
The new numbers would give Prosser 244 more votes or a 40-vote lead statewide.
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Lots of bitching, moaning, and recount demanding going on.. compared to YESTERDAY.. (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x832874)
malaise (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-07-11 06:40 AM
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JoAnne Kloppenburg's Press conference
check out that first question - that is one fugging hack
If I were in office for 12 years and was beaten by one vote, I would not ask for a recount.
Go JoAnne
Well, that didn't take long to change...
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-07-11 03:47 PM
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4. There is going to be a recount regardless.The lead may very well switch back and forth several times
before this is over.
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-07-11 03:57 PM
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13. Yep. Not to say that we don't need our black-box voting team
back on duty.
At least in Wisconsin there are no longer punch cards. The outcome won't hang on a chad.
OMG! Does this mean they are going to bring out Zombie Andy?
ETC spelling of zombie. :banghead:
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I hope the DUmmies will remember that during Gore v. Bush in 2000, at no point during the recount did Albert Gore Jr. lead.
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I hope the DUmmies will remember that during Gore v. Bush in 2000, at no point during the recount did Albert Gore Jr. lead.
Wisconsin hasn't even reached the point of recount yet - these small shifts are the official count figures, vs the quick and dirty unofficial results during election night. normally, these shifts left and right don't matter much, but they do when one considers such a small difference in vote tallies.
Kloppenberg was a fool to declare victory so quickly, and if in the end she loses by a few hundred vs winning by a few hundred, she will look like a clown for doing so.
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After Tuesday night’s Wisconsin Supreme Court election, a computer error in heavily Republican Waukesha County failed to send election results for the entire City of Brookfield to the Associated Press. The error, revealed today, would give incumbent Supreme Court Justice David Prosser a net 7,381 votes against his challenger, attorney Joanne Kloppenburg.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/264209/breaking-computer-error-gives-prosser-7381-more-votes-almost-certain-victory-christian
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http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/264209/breaking-computer-error-gives-prosser-7381-more-votes-almost-certain-victory-christian
OH MY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/georgetakeda]
7,381 could just be "democrat fraud" proof. I fully expect a PEU member's car trunk to magically materialize a ballot box that, coincidentally, has 7381 all donk votes.
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Premature h5 celebration for everyone in this thread! :cheersmate:
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a +- 7,400 vote change in Prosser's favor would certainly put massive pressure on Klopenberg's premature declaration. Honestly, if this holds up, it will be a career-killer for her.
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I just grabbed the DU pressure meter and gave it a quick read...
A Great Discombobulation tsunami is coming.... Get your life-jackets and popcorn ready ! :popcorn:
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a +- 7,400 vote change in Prosser's favor would certainly put massive pressure on Klopenberg's premature declaration. Honestly, if this holds up, it will be a career-killer for her.
She's killed many a person's career/business in her time so no one would be more deserving. But this is Madison/Dane County. It is highly liberal. And liberals always celebrate their failures.
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She's killed many a person's career/business in her time so no one would be more deserving. But this is Madison/Dane County. It is highly liberal. And liberals always celebrate their failures.
That is true - however, assuming she does lose after declaring victory, she will have made them all look like fools - especially the unions. The SEIU don't play that.
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That is true - however, assuming she does lose after declaring victory, she will have made them all look like fools - especially the unions. The SEIU don't play that.
Do you live around Madison? I'm trying to suss out the Soglin win. I don't understand why, after marching with the unions and cleaning out the city coffers and hand delivering them to the unions, Mayor Dave lost. Especially if this election where a referendum on Scott Walker.
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Do you live around Madison? I'm trying to suss out the Soglin win. I don't understand why, after marching with the unions and cleaning out the city coffers and hand delivering them to the unions, Mayor Dave lost. Especially if this election where a referendum on Scott Walker.
No,no Massachusetts. In the heart of Barney Frank territory. That being said, I have a fairly good understanding of union machinations- Whats happening in 'Winsconsin' is a story I have read many times before.
Hell, even our teachers protested cutbacks, and changes in insurance/retirement benefits.. And went to the Massachusetts Republican headquarters to do it. :rotf:
You know what ? Our state-level elected Republicans can hold a dinner-meeting by pushing a couple of tables together at Chili's... Yet they are gonna cut those teacher's benefits.... :lmao:
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Wisconsin hasn't even reached the point of recount yet - these small shifts are the official count figures, vs the quick and dirty unofficial results during election night. normally, these shifts left and right don't matter much, but they do when one considers such a small difference in vote tallies.
Kloppenberg was a fool to declare victory so quickly, and if in the end she loses by a few hundred vs winning by a few hundred, she will look like a clown for doing so.
Have you seen a picture of her? A clown would be a step up.
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Read it and weep! from Breitbart:
Should Prosser prevail — and I think he will — I’m more than a little thrilled it happened like this. On election night, the race was already too close for the Left to honestly claim they had won some kind of referendum against Walker, but for them to believe Kloppenburg’s won and to have all that sinister joy and pleasure stripped away by a clerical error — that’s got to be agonizing.
:yahoo:
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Read it and weep! from Breitbart:
:yahoo:
Now THATS Schadenfreude ! I don't want to get caught celebrating yet , but yeah.. If Prosser wins after the Dems "Premature Electelation" it will be tasty indeed.
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You know what ? Our state-level elected Republicans can hold a dinner-meeting by pushing a couple of tables together at Chili's... Yet they are gonna cut those teacher's benefits.... :lmao:
And what's even funnier is before the last election, that dinner meeting could be held without pushing anything! :rotf:
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All the effort that went into arranging the timely demise of the round red homosexual may be about to pay off. The DUmmies never lost an election when he was on the job...er, no, wait..
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a +- 7,400 vote change in Prosser's favor would certainly put massive pressure on Klopenberg's premature declaration. Honestly, if this holds up, it will be a career-killer for her.
It's my understanding that she never had a career to begin with. Nothing more than a partisan trial atty.
Has she ever held a elected position?
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It's my understanding that she never had a career to begin with. Nothing more than a partisan trial atty.
Has she ever held a elected position?
She is some sort of environmental lawyer with the state's Dept. of Natural Resources (DNR). She persecuted people, driving them out of business. Vicki McKenna had a guy on who's life was ruined by her. He did everything right but she kept going after him until he had to declare bankruptcy. Vicki mentioned in passing that she jailed an 80 year old farmer for not planting some certain variety of grass. I don't really know what that is all about.
She was passed over several times by Jim Doyle and Obama for judgeships.
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From another thread PeaceNikki believes the results:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x839374#839382
PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-07-11 09:17 PM
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1. Not 7k, stop saying that. It's 14,000 with a net gain of 7.7k for Prosser.
That was a whole city. If it were blue, I'd want them certified, too. It was confirmed that the 14k was missing from #'s given to media Tuesday.
The claim is that the City of Brookfield's #'s were not in the #'s given to media (mistakenlyomitted from the Access database on her PC). Unofficial #'s. During certification, they caught it yesterday and contacted GAB. Since then, they've been counting and verifying - confirming the gain of 14,314 votes.
My Democratic CD chair spoke to the Democratic rep who was overseeing.
Should it have happened? no
Is the clerk an incompetent asshole? yes
Fraud? Doesn't look that way
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Guido opens the trunk. :banghead:
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Guido opens the trunk. :banghead:
Thats the funny part - because of fear of cheating rethuglikkkans, Wisconsin has hand countable paper ballots and an audit trail. If they were going to slip a bunch of ballots in, they needed to do it before the canvassers got to work. The irony is that this +- 7500 vote mistake may have inadvertently derailed a last minute stuffing.
-insert sad-trombone here. :-)
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From another thread PeaceNikki believes the results:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x839374#839382
TOMBSTONE HER!!!![/DUmmies]
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Excellent news. Its about time a mistake was made in our favor.
:cheersmate:
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Michael Moore says that she's won because she already declared victory. It's on his Twitter. Such a fat, stupid ass.
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Michael Moore says that she's won because she already declared victory. It's on his Twitter. Such a fat, stupid ass.
UGH! am I going to have to start following that fool again? I unfollowed him.
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UGH! am I going to have to start following that fool again? I unfollowed him.
Just go to Big Hollywood, they have the tweets there.
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DUmmie FUnnies 04-07-11 (DUmmie Heads Explode As 8000 More Prosser Votes Found) (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2701423/posts)
Freudenschade, baby!
Yesterday the DUmmies were CELEBRATING their great victory in which their candidate for the Wisconsin Supreme Court, JoAnne Kloppenburg, had just barely edged out incumbent David Prosser in which the Klopp had promised to overturn the bill to quit handing over chunks of the Wisconsin state treasury to public employees unions. That was yesterday. Today we have this REPORT hot off the presses from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
Madison - In a political bombshell, the clerk in a Republican stronghold released new vote totals adding a net total of 7,403 new votes in the tight state Supreme Court race to Justice David Prosser, swinging the race significantly in his favor.
Waukesha County Clerk Kathy Nickolaus said Thursday that she failed to correctly enter in her computer and then report 14,315 votes in the city of Brookfield, omitting them entirely in an unofficial tally released after Tuesday's election. The new totals give 10,859 more votes to Prosser and 3,456 more to Kloppenburg, she said.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
If you are guessing that DUmmies heads are now exploding, you would be RIGHT as you can see in this very angry THREAD, "Are Republicans about to hand 7,000 votes to Prosser through electoral fraud?" GASP! Can this be true? Well, not according to the Democrat on the board of canvass of the county in question as you can read further down in the same report:
At the press conference with Nickolaus, Ramona Kitzinger, the Democrat on the Waukesha County board of canvass said: "We went over everything and made sure all the numbers jibed up and they did. Those numbers jibed up and we're satisfied they're correct."
As a Democrat, she said, "I'm not going to stand here and tell you something that's not true."
So it is pretty clear cut that NO FRAUD was involved according to the DEMOCRAT on the scene. But does anybody think that is enough to satisfy the DUmmies? Of course not and so we shall ENJOY days, weeks, and months (maybe even years) of watching DUmmie heads EXPLODE over this election result. So let us now watch the DUmmie heads explode in Bolshevik Red while the commentary or your humble correspondent, giving permission for our own blog troll Troglaman to take a mental health break for a few days, is in the [brackets]:
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h219/pjcomix/blog/exploding_head.gif)
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Just go to Big Hollywood, they have the tweets there.
I tweeted Michael Moore a couple of times tonight, I refuse to follow him anymore though because he hogs Tweet space.
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I tweeted Michael Moore a couple of times tonight, I refuse to follow him anymore though because he hogs Tweet space.
Does he hog as much Twitter space as he does physical space?
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UGH! am I going to have to start following that fool again? I unfollowed him.
Oh you are much braver than I am! I would have to start taking dishes out of my china cabinet and heaving them across the room if I read that fat, hairy bloated whale every day.
Cindie
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Michael Moore says that she's won because she already declared victory. It's on his Twitter. Such a fat, stupid ass.
Oh that's rich. He does nothing but invite ridicule anymore. So, if I say "I have 10 million dollars in the bank." It must be true, right? Has to be!!!
The only thing I have to add to all of this is: :cheersmate: :yahoo: :tongue:
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Does he hog as much Twitter space as he does physical space?
Much more. The cool thing though is this, if you put @MMFlint in the Search box at Twitter you get to see the Tweets people send to Michael, and right now I'd say it's running like 95% against him.
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Oh you are much braver than I am! I would have to start taking dishes out of my china cabinet and heaving them across the room if I read that fat, hairy bloated whale every day.
Cindie
He's totally annoying.
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MoveOn.org Fundraises Off of Kloppenburg’s “Victory†(http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/04/hah-moveon-org-fundraises-off-of-kloppenburgs-win/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gatewaypundit2+%28Gateway+Pundit%29&utm_content=FaceBook)
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/moveon-celebrate-e1302266448673.jpg)
"WE WON! WE WON!" :rotf:
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Thats the funny part - because of fear of cheating rethuglikkkans, Wisconsin has hand countable paper ballots and an audit trail. If they were going to slip a bunch of ballots in, they needed to do it before the canvassers got to work. The irony is that this +- 7500 vote mistake may have inadvertently derailed a last minute stuffing.
Kind of makes me think it may have been done that way on purpose...
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I tweeted Michael Moore a couple of times tonight, I refuse to follow him anymore though because he hogs Tweet space.
What space doesn't he hog? I don't think theres a place ,time or universe his fat ass doesn't occupy.
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Michael Moore is going apeshit:
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/04/07/michael-moore-freaks-out-over-wi-recount-demands-obama-impound-ballots/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BigHollywood+%28Big+Hollywood%29
(http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/files/2011/04/43421.jpg)
He wants Obama to get involved in a state election and "impound ballots?" Stupider than shit.
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What a tard.
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Thanks, laughingman, for posting. I didn't want to go hunting.
"Shenanigans." :lmao: You kids stop that tomfoolery and monkeyshines this instant!
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Thanks, laughingman, for posting. I didn't want to go hunting.
"Shenanigans." :lmao: You kids stop that tomfoolery and monkeyshines this instant!
And get off my lawn!!!!
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:lmao:
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj140/RepublicanandProud/kloppenburgdefeatsprosser.jpg)
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From Vicki McKenna via her Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/#!/vickimckennapage) page:
from sup. ronn ferrell on the dane county board:
" I listened to the press conference from Waukesha county. I also work with ACCESS files. ACCESS is the data base program the GAB used for the vote. To put it bluntly, I HATE ACCESS files.... They are notoriously difficult to work with. Everything she said about importing the file, and then the totals for Brookfield not being included in a report because she had not saved it first, is reasonable.
ACCESS files work well and give lots of information from large data bases IF everything is done correctly, but any little error can cause problems."
I couldn't get a direct link to this posting but it is under a posting to a news story: Brookfield Residents Not Happy About Vote Counting Error
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:lmao:
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj140/RepublicanandProud/kloppenburgdefeatsprosser.jpg)
Ha Ha, I love the Truman thing, that's awesome! :rotf: ^5!
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Thats the funny part - because of fear of cheating rethuglikkkans, Wisconsin has hand countable paper ballots and an audit trail. If they were going to slip a bunch of ballots in, they needed to do it before the canvassers got to work. The irony is that this +- 7500 vote mistake may have inadvertently derailed a last minute stuffing.
-insert sad-trombone here. :-)
Seems a primitive reads miskie.... :-)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x841663
karnac (265 posts) Fri Apr-08-11 04:18 AM
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NEW Waukesha Vote Conspiracy Theory!
First, let me state for the record i *think* the clerk made an honest mistake. That there are enough competent democrats(and politically loyal) in the office to stop her from significantly effecting an official and binding vote tally.
However, I might start looking at this differently now.
To see where i am coming at, you have to accept the premise that there a small amount of voter fraud done by both sides,generally by well meaning but wrong thinking individuals. Both sides know this and do their best to prevent it by the other side. In the end, elections are generally clean and the problem only really matters during VERY close elections.
If youve noticed, before "Waukesha" small votes were found here and there that were NOT counted earlier. Generally small votes were for the D in D counties, extra R's found in R counties. Almost as IF everybody was keeping their eye on the final tally. nudging here and there. I am SURE that many were honest mistakes, but who can say they were not? nothing large enough to get somebody in trouble. Not accusing, just saying. Perfectly understandable in a very politicly hot election.
And of course one who is in a lopsided(for one side or the other)county with a large population can nudge more. and safely. But NEVER more than you think you have to to win. And pray your election lawyer watchdogs are better than the other side's. But once you say you're done, your done. no more pulling votes from nowhere. Not believable.
Until the Waukesha announcement very late in this little game and dance.
The big *what if* is what if you had 7000 legit votes in your pocket, that you did not show until the other side showed theirs? All you have to do is delay a bit. Til after the time for the other to *compensate* has past.
Sure, you look like a incompetent fool. But the votes are legit. Looking stupid and "correcting" your error is not a crime. Can't call it fraud.
Might be some reward waiting for you too.
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Btw, this was not my original thought/insight/nightmare.. I gleaned this from a couple different conservative blogs i just checked out. They were REALLY congratulating themselves over it.
Shoot this down please.
I'm just amused that DU may have noticed me -- the last time that happened was when TIA was still in the game, and I still posted regularly at FR. Granted, it could also be others noticed this move was played like an ace of trump in a game of Pinochle.. :popcorn:
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Brian Schimming on Vicki McKenna's show yesterday was saying that Milwaukee is always notoriously slow to finish up its canvassing.