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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: catswiththumbs on April 01, 2011, 05:39:14 AM
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I know smoking is unhealthy.
I quit for eight years - started back; who knows why?
I exercise every day, don't smoke in the house or inside anywhere.
However . . .
It is legal. I can not get pulled over for "DWS" - driving while smoking.
Safer than crack - there are no little hoodlum gangs that I know of blasting away at each other over disputed cigarette territory.
A handy filler when the conversation dies - Cigarette? Why yes, thank you!
I was walking the other day, enjoying a solitary smoke; a busy body walks by and squawks - You know, that's bad for you.
I replied, with my best just-out-of-the-loony-bin look - Yes, as is pestering strangers about their bad habits.
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I pretty much have a cigarette hanging outta my lip whenever I'm not sleeping.
I know it's unhealthy and will lead to an early death.
Care factor is very very low, and I can afford the required treatments.
Tell me that my smoking is bad and I'll treat you like a communist.
Take my cigarettes away and... well lets just say that would be a very bad idea.
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I know smoking is unhealthy.
I quit for eight years - started back; who knows why?
I exercise every day, don't smoke in the house or inside anywhere.
However . . .
It is legal. I can not get pulled over for "DWS" - driving while smoking.
Safer than crack - there are no little hoodlum gangs that I know of blasting away at each other over disputed cigarette territory.
A handy filler when the conversation dies - Cigarette? Why yes, thank you!
I was walking the other day, enjoying a solitary smoke; a busy body walks by and squawks - You know, that's bad for you.
I replied, with my best just-out-of-the-loony-bin look - Yes, as is pestering strangers about their bad habits.
Don't you just love 'em.
25 years ago, I was in the mountains doing some whitewater. I was at this open air building waiting on a friend to get something. I was at an outside service window of the building smoking and the wind was blowing my smoke away from the window. Teenage kid inside with red eyeballs and dilated pupils the size of pennies goes (cough, cough, cough), "Sir, do mind not smoking. Some of us are concerned about our health." I just about died laughing. I told him he sure didn't seem to be worried to much about his health with that wild shit he had been smoking the night before. He didn't seem to like my statement.... :rotf:
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I pretty much have a cigarette hanging outta my lip whenever I'm not sleeping.
I know it's unhealthy and will lead to an early death.
Care factor is very very low, and I can afford the required treatments.
Tell me that my smoking is bad and I'll treat you like a communist.
Take my cigarettes away and... well lets just say that would be a very bad idea.
Me and you buddy, me and you... :rotf:
A fellow I was working for said something about me being a chain smoker. Crazy fellow working for me came to my defense. He said, "He's not a chain smoker....he throws the last one away before lighting the next one....he likes lighting cigarettes."
Back when I SCUBA dived they wondered how I could stay down so long without a cigarette. They used to accuse me of putting smoke in my dive tanks.
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Don't you just love 'em.
25 years ago, I was in the mountains doing some whitewater. I was at this open air building waiting on a friend to get something. I was at an outside service window of the building smoking and the wind was blowing my smoke away from the window. Teenage kid inside with red eyeballs and dilated pupils the size of pennies goes (cough, cough, cough), "Sir, do mind not smoking. Some of us are concerned about our health." I just about died laughing. I told him he sure didn't seem to be worried to much about his health with that wild shit he had been smoking the night before. He didn't seem to like my statement.... :rotf:
OMG! we had something similar happen years ago, we went to NYC to see a Broadway show and we decided to go outside for a cigarette before the show started, we're in freaking NYC, the City where you smell nothing but bus fumes, so the smokers are outside and this bitch dressed in a skirt and blazer with white sneakers on, she comes walking by and says "oh great now I have to inhale smoke from the smokers" she said this as a bus came zooming by with all black fumes coming out of the exhaust, I'm like "you've got to be kidding, do you not see the fumes coming out of the bus yet you're worried about the smoke from the smokers"?
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:awjeez:
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ex-smoker of >10 years
Can't imagine bossing around smokers.
If someone gives you shit about 2nd hand smoke flick your lighter and tell them it's healthier than 1st-hand flames.
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ex-smoker of >10 years
Can't imagine bossing around smokers.
If someone gives you shit about 2nd hand smoke flick your lighter and tell them it's healthier than 1st-hand flames.
Well, it's been 31 years for me and while I hate tobacco smoke with a passion, I don't boss smokers around either. I vote with my feet.
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Well, it's been 31 years for me and while I hate tobacco smoke with a passion, I don't boss smokers around either. I vote with my feet.
My wife can't stand the smoke either....have you ever noticed that it doesn't matter where the non-smoker sits/stands/moves to that the smoke follows them. They attract smoke like a magnet.
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I quit a few years ago . It is hard not to be "preachee" about it and I fail . Better than being a reformed Rabbi *** A Nazi.
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Quit 14 years ago. I still go to Vegas where all my shit smells like smoke inside of 10 seconds.
I can not get pulled over for "DWS" - driving while smoking.
Actually, in some places, you CAN--especially if there are kids in the car. I wish I was kidding.
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I'm going to investigate those smokeless, water vapor e-cigs - might be a feasible way to get off'em again.
I quit cold turkey the first time - no real problems - stayed smoke free for eight years (I was running 5 miles a day then, however).
I'll get it done.
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You're my new favorite Probie, Cats. This thread is all kinds of truth. All kinds of awesome. :cheersmate:
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I'm going to investigate those smokeless, water vapor e-cigs - might be a feasible way to get off'em again.
I quit cold turkey the first time - no real problems - stayed smoke free for eight years (I was running 5 miles a day then, however).
I'll get it done.
I was looking into it too, the only thing I didn't like was the lack of research as far as long-term effects go.
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I'm a smoker, too, but only in private. Only in my house or car (no kids in either place). Don't go out to bars and hang around on the street outside having a smoke, because my mom would come back to haunt me right there and then.
Ballygirl, I wouldn't be concerned the long-term effects of e-cigs. A little flavor, water, and glycerin. I think it's big tobacco scare-mongering, and also politicians drooling over tax revenues (esp in NY.)
I have a couple of e-cigs. One of them is better than the other, (I found the Blue to be useless). They were helpful in cutting back in half, with discipline. (Put that down and pick the other one up!) A lot of people have gone to 100% vaping. I wasn't able to. I actually like the flavor better than regular cigs (you can get whiskey-flavored "juice," mmmmmm).
Here's a forum devoted to it, if interested: E-Cigarette Forum (http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/)
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I'm not a smoker. I hate being around smokers (asthma and allergies). However, I will never, ever support using the government to punish smokers. Back when I worked in C-stores, packs were less than $2 here. Today it seems they're closing in on $5. It's ridiculous. And it's all because of the government. People think tobacco companies are making obscene profits. No, they're not. The government is because of tobacco taxes.
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I'm going to investigate those smokeless, water vapor e-cigs - might be a feasible way to get off'em again.
I think I've read that people who've tried them say they taste like crap. (Not literally, to my knowledge.)
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The only smoker I give a hard time to is my daddy :whistling: And, I actually secretly like the smell of his cigarettes.
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Smoking in public is rude. I don't want to inhale your smoke. You also stink. I hate standing behind you at 7-11 because you smell like a wet ashtray.
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I am no fan of smoking, but I am even less of a fan of government deciding who can smoke where. Let the property owners decide if people can smoke on their premises or not.
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Smoking in public is rude. I don't want to inhale your smoke. You also stink. I hate standing behind you at 7-11 because you smell like a wet ashtray.
H5!
The only time I will EVER say anything is if there are smoker's blowing smoke right at my daughter/her stroller. I give them a nasty look and a simple, "excuse you". You're free to smoke, just move away from areas children are playing. You know, for example, STOP SMOKING IN THE ****ING PARK.
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Smoking in our city parks and all city facilities is illegal and we enforce it religiously. I also freely pass out littering citations to every smoker who throws their butts out the windows of their cars. I find it disgusting.
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Illinois is considering exempting casinos from the smoking ban because of lost revenue. ****ing hypocrites claimed it was for health reasons, then those reasons still exist.
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Smoking in our city parks and all city facilities is illegal and we enforce it religiously. I also freely pass out littering citations to every smoker who throws their butts out the windows of their cars. I find it disgusting.
I'm pretty sure it's illegal here too, but it's not like anyone follows the rules. There was a parent with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth while pushing his child in the swing.
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I'm going to investigate those smokeless, water vapor e-cigs - might be a feasible way to get off'em again.
I quit cold turkey the first time - no real problems - stayed smoke free for eight years (I was running 5 miles a day then, however).
I'll get it done.
Vicki McKenna quit smoking with that technology. A WI company is said to make the best juice:
http://www.johnsoncreeksmokejuice.com/
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I don't have a problem with smoking in a casino. Or a bar....or anywhere else you'd expect people to be smoking. If you don't want to be exposed to it, don't go there. I don't get that luxury in public, though.
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Well, it's been 31 years for me and while I hate tobacco smoke with a passion, I don't boss smokers around either. I vote with my feet.
yep me too, I get PISSED if I have to walk through it going into a store. And then there are days like today when I would have done anything to take a deep long drag and felt the burn/high............. :stoner:
I can sniff cig smoke like crazy. I can smell it driving down the highway if someone in front of me is smoking.
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It's not so much the cigarette smoke that bothers me, it's smelling the inside of somebody's mouth that makes me sick.
There's no sex in the Halitosis Room.
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yep me too, I get PISSED if I have to walk through it going into a store. And then there are days like today when I would have done anything to take a deep long drag and felt the burn/high............. :stoner:
I can sniff cig smoke like crazy. I can smell it driving down the highway if someone in front of me is smoking.
Me too.
I can not stand the smell of cigarette smoke. My brother smokes and he must just blow a halo of smoke around his body because he reeks. You can actually taste it when he walks inside from a smoke break. My mom use to smoke but she didn't reek of smoke, although I could smell it on her, it was tolerable. I don't know what she did different than my brother but it is like night and day. Some months after she quit (from a lung cancer scare and a lung biopsy) she could smell the smoke in her closet from sweaters or other tops that she didn't wash everytime she wore them. She was mortified by the smell. She hadn't been smoking in the house (or car) for years yet her closet smelled like cigarette smoke.
There was a woman I worked with back when I first got married. Her name was Crystal (she looked nothing like what you think a Crystal would look like. She looked very mannish.). She had the worse smokers breath I have ever smelled. She had bad breath to start with then when she smoked the smoke smelled so putrid it would make you gag. The owner, his wife (who did the accounting), crystal and one of the managers also smoked. This was in the late 80's early 90's, back when you could smoke anywhere you want. I worked in the front office all by myself yet my clothes and hair would smell like I had been in a bar everyday when I got home.
I apologize ahead of time if I offend anyone but it looks disgusting when I see people smoke, it gives me a headache when I'm in a room with a smoker and non smokers can always tell who the smoker is by the way they smell. You lose some of your sense of smell when you smoke, I guarantee you that you don't know how strong the smell is. It permeates everything you own.
Now, having said all that, I don't want to force anyone not to smoke (except my kids). I wouldn't say anything to anyone unless they blew smoke in my face. Heck, I haven't even said anything to my brother about how I can actually taste the cigarette after his smoke breaks.
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I smoke. It's my final vice.
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I smoke. It's my final vice.
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Same here. My past vices were many.
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Smoking in public is rude. I don't want to inhale your smoke. You also stink. I hate standing behind you at 7-11 because you smell like a wet ashtray.
Thanks for reminding me, TC. :hammer: :hammer: :hammer:
There's a 65-year-old woman (roughly her age) who works for me. She'll come into my office or I into hers and it's all I can do to keep from gagging. The woman stinks like a moldy chimney. It's honest-to-God revolting.
And then I hear her hacking her lungs out from 50 feet away. Sounds like she's trying to cough up a dripping towel out of her lungs.
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Me too.
I can not stand the smell of cigarette smoke. My brother smokes and he must just blow a halo of smoke around his body because he reeks. You can actually taste it when he walks inside from a smoke break. My mom use to smoke but she didn't reek of smoke, although I could smell it on her, it was tolerable. I don't know what she did different than my brother but it is like night and day. Some months after she quit (from a lung cancer scare and a lung biopsy) she could smell the smoke in her closet from sweaters or other tops that she didn't wash everytime she wore them. She was mortified by the smell. She hadn't been smoking in the house (or car) for years yet her closet smelled like cigarette smoke.
There was a woman I worked with back when I first got married. Her name was Crystal (she looked nothing like what you think a Crystal would look like. She looked very mannish.). She had the worse smokers breath I have ever smelled. She had bad breath to start with then when she smoked the smoke smelled so putrid it would make you gag. The owner, his wife (who did the accounting), crystal and one of the managers also smoked. This was in the late 80's early 90's, back when you could smoke anywhere you want. I worked in the front office all by myself yet my clothes and hair would smell like I had been in a bar everyday when I got home.
I apologize ahead of time if I offend anyone but it looks disgusting when I see people smoke, it gives me a headache when I'm in a room with a smoker and non smokers can always tell who the smoker is by the way they smell. You lose some of your sense of smell when you smoke, I guarantee you that you don't know how strong the smell is. It permeates everything you own.
Now, having said all that, I don't want to force anyone not to smoke (except my kids). I wouldn't say anything to anyone unless they blew smoke in my face. Heck, I haven't even said anything to my brother about how I can actually taste the cigarette after his smoke breaks.
My parent's smoke on our balcony when they come out to visit. When they come back inside, I feel like someone shoved a full ashtray of cigarette butts down my throat. It is so nasty. Then my parent's were throwing their cigarette butts into our trash can. GROSS! I got so pissed. It defeats the purpose of smoking outside when you throw your butts in our garbage can.
My mom gets upset with me when I tell her to wash her hands after smoking a cigarette before she even touches Carleigh. She should just be thankful I don't make her wear a smoker's blanket too. I'm sorry, but I don't want my child to get that smell all over her too. It takes us weeks to get that smoke stench out of our house. Carleigh has always had some weird cough while they are visiting and day or two after they leave. I'm 99.9% sure it's caused by their smoking.
Then when we visit them in Wisconsin, we tend to use my parent's Lincoln which smells horrible too. I hate driving it, but deal with it since we don't have any other option. We just roll all the windows down and open the sunroof.
I agree, smokers have no idea how bad they smell. No offense!
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I agree, smokers have no idea how bad they smell. No offense!
I know full well how bad I smell.
I just don't care one whit what people think.
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I know full well how bad I smell.
I just don't care one whit what people think.
Yup...
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Yup...
The new E cigarettes that deliver nicotine to the brain, are remarkable, much better then a nicotine patch or pills that have 100 side effects.
They deliver the same tactile touch, visual sense, a red end glow to the end of the devise and simple water vapor to give one the feel of a regular cigarette.
The nicotine inserts cost about the same as a carton of cigarettes each one and there are 6 inserts for $ 10.00 for around $5.00 a carton. No fire is involved, no way a dropped device can set fire to a sofa or smolder in the garbage.
We all wonder about people on Oxygen that blow up a bathroom sneaking a butt, these prevent that and the people can with bad lungs that face death from being on oxygen and lighting up can now get their hit in a safe way.
The additives to cigarettes are not there 2,000 of them that are what makes smoking so unhealthy. The water vapor emitted should have no smell unless the user opts for a flavored insert, and even then if there is a smell, change brands of inserts.
There is a big lash back from company's that sell regular cigarettes, few businesses or bars allow these devices to be used as they do not have the education yet on the fact that theses devices are harmless to the user or others around them.
I will call ahead to eating and drinking establishments to inquire if the E- Cigarette is allowed. ---There are some places that have no problem with them and welcome them. Some others are afraid of the no smoking laws and cannot afford to challenge them.
When you find a place that allows them then one can get back to the comfort zone, order a drink and have a cigarette or sorts in hand, customers stay longer and come back more often when they feel comfortable.
Fortunately most Cops know about this divice and if they see you with one of these in a no smoking area and you pull it apart to show them, they just go on their way.
This is the future, may be a difficult row to hoe but, for those of us that are addicted to cigarettes and the 2,000 additives in them to be able to just get the pure nicotine and not all the other shit, it is much easier to ween us off nicotine I believe it is the additives we are addictive to added to the nicotine.
On the other hand ever wonder how many of us or our parents would be here today had cigarettes been banned 50 years ago???
Man walks into a bar sits down and orders a drink. Woman comes in and sits next to him on only available bar stool.----Woman opens her purse and removes a cigarette case, removes the cigarette and the man sitting next to her pulls out a Zippo and as the flame flickers their eyes meet.-- 50 years later you are born from that one meeting that changed the family history.
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I think I've read that people who've tried them say they taste like crap. (Not literally, to my knowledge.)
I've tried one brand. Tasted horrible.
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Thanks for reminding me, TC. :hammer: :hammer: :hammer:
There's a 65-year-old woman (roughly her age) who works for me. She'll come into my office or I into hers and it's all I can do to keep from gagging. The woman stinks like a moldy chimney. It's honest-to-God revolting.
And then I hear her hacking her lungs out from 50 feet away. Sounds like she's trying to cough up a dripping towel out of her lungs.
I worked with this woman and she would take a cig break every 30 minutes. She would come back in and reek but to top it all off she would spray this cheap ass Victoria's secret perfume all over her body like she was delousing herself. I got so pissed one day about it I started throwing shit in my office. Someone comes in and asks what's wrong and I said "I am tired of smelling a cheap whore" really loud :lmao:
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Well, I'll prob. just quit cold turkey and start grinding the road again - I use a treadmill now, but it's not the same.
It's interesting how the brain works - when I'm teaching, I know I can't smoke and I have no cravings, no matter how nutty the kids get.
I try to be considerate - don't smoke around anyone, never indoors, chew a half-pound of gum when done.
So, I'll quit - but until then, that little old lady I never met poking around in my bid'ness can pound sand. :angryvillagers:
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so those that quit, how did you do it?
I took wellbutrin for a week while smoking and then just quit cold turkey on a Monday. Hurt for about 3 days but after that is was easy. I had smoked since I was 15. Quit in 2007.
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I just threw away the pack - stayed smokeless for 8 years, never thought about them.
What's scary is after all that time I was at a meeting and took a cigarette from an open pack - fired it up like I'd never quit.
It's not that hard - to be honest, the waste of money is my main motivation to ditch'em again.
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Some reformed smokers are the worse when it comes to being around current smokers.
Hey, you quit... Good for you. Smoking is bad for you (so they say).
But don't try to take the freedom of choice away from others.
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How about our choice to clean air, which is constantly infringed upon by smokers?
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How about our choice to clean air, which is constantly infringed upon by smokers?
You've more to worry about with gas and diesel fumes in the air. Those are much more damaging than a little second hand smoke IMO.
I can relate to the comments of some about how some smokers reek of smoke though. I'm a smoker and even I find it a bad smell.
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You've more to worry about with gas and diesel fumes in the air. Those are much more damaging than a little second hand smoke IMO.
I can relate to the comments of some about how some smokers reek of smoke though. I'm a smoker and even I find it a bad smell.
Very good points.
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I just threw away the pack - stayed smokeless for 8 years, never thought about them.
What's scary is after all that time I was at a meeting and took a cigarette from an open pack - fired it up like I'd never quit.
It's not that hard - to be honest, the waste of money is my main motivation to ditch'em again.
I know!! I can't believe they are near $5 a pack now! That is ridiculous. When your 6pack costs less than your 20pack there is something wrong.
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I quit in 1979 after having smoked for about 10 years (never more than a pack a day) by going to a pipe.
Not inhaling, of course.
When the pipe became such a pain in the ass to deal with -- cleaning it, packing it, tamping it, lighting it, retamping it, lighting it again, I chucked the pipe. That process took about a month.
It took about 6 months for the cravings to go away completely.
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I quit in 1979 after having smoked for about 10 years (never more than a pack a day) by going to a pipe.
Not inhaling, of course.
When the pipe became such a pain in the ass to deal with -- cleaning it, packing it, tamping it, lighting it, retamping it, lighting it again, I chucked the pipe. That process took about a month.
It took about 6 months for the cravings to go away completely.
My grandfathers smoked pipes and at Xmas we bought both of them tins of tobacco. I cannot remember the type but the smell stays with me. I followed an old man in the mall because he had the smell of that tobacco blend on him that brought me back 40 years.
Darn but the smell of things from the past will stop one in their tracts. Anyone been around a honeysuckle bush and just rolled in the smell?
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I just realized is took me three smokes to read through all four pages of replies on this thread. :whatever:
I have smoked for thirty years, it's my choice. I go out of my way to smoke away from non smokers. In fact I feel I am quite considerate and courteous in that regard. No reciprocation though, I find non smokers genuinely relish giving me a hard time even if they so much as see me smoking fifty feet away outside at work. They never miss an opportunity to bring it up later with a rude comment and always try to toss in the liberal-esque disclaimer on the end of it, as if they're concerned for me. **** 'em. Oh, you would like to borrow $10 for gas until tomorrow so you can make it home from work? Hmmm... lemme see... sorry, I don't have any cash with me. :whistling:
These folks who make it a point to be assholes to smokers, and thoroughly enjoy doing it, likely have a few nasty habits of their own they wouldn't like being chided about.
I live in New York. The state motto is "the empire state". Those of us who live here refer to it as "the vampire state" for the excruciating taxes. Taxes on a pack of cigarettes are about $9.00 and in spite of the public relations campaign they peddle about wanting to help people quit that is really the last thing they want. A carton of cigarettes costs almost $100 here, I went to the local Indian reservation last night and paid $22, tax free.
People are going to smoke. Raising taxes on tobacco isn't going to make them stop and the state knows this full well. They also are well aware of public sentiment toward smokers so they get away with taxing it at levels that should be illegal. I'd like to see them tax something else as much, perhaps baby diapers. What would public sentiment be then?
I really feel bad for the folks in New York City because their taxes are even higher than upstate, they are paying $12 per pack but what are they to do? That's why there is a booming black market for cigarettes in New York. Ridiculously high taxes only serve to fuel the mafia and other groups to go take advantage of the demand under the table, like these cops in Maryland-
http://www.gazette.net/stories/04012011/prinnew183415_32556.php
I'm not trying to bash law enforcement, several members of my family are LEO's. I'm pointing out what a big problem the high taxes are causing. For these guys to risk their careers the rewards must have been very enticing indeed.
I think the biggest addiction problem with tobacco is that of the state government and their tax revenue from it. Like a lost junkie they just can't get enough, always more more more.
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I was walking the other day, enjoying a solitary smoke; a busy body walks by and squawks - You know, that's bad for you.
Zero bouncy. You were walking and nobody jumped out of the bushes?
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so those that quit, how did you do it?
I took wellbutrin for a week while smoking and then just quit cold turkey on a Monday. Hurt for about 3 days but after that is was easy. I had smoked since I was 15. Quit in 2007.
When my mom had the cancer scare she had to have an xray before the biopsy. I went with her that day to the hospital for the xray. The doctor reading the xray was shocked by how much emphysema she had. He told her that that part of her lung would never grow back. We walked out of the office, as she walked by a trash can she threw away her pack of cigarettes. She never had another cigarette. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't easy for her but she had the scare of lung cancer behind her to help her quit. Kind of like when you are pregnant, it is much easier to take care of yourself and take your daily vitamin when you are doing it for your baby. Or you have some life threatening disease, it gives you an extra push to actually get off your ass and do something about your health.
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The new E cigarettes that deliver nicotine to the brain, are remarkable, much better then a nicotine patch or pills that have 100 side effects.
They deliver the same tactile touch, visual sense, a red end glow to the end of the devise and simple water vapor to give one the feel of a regular cigarette.
The nicotine inserts cost about the same as a carton of cigarettes each one and there are 6 inserts for $ 10.00 for around $5.00 a carton. No fire is involved, no way a dropped device can set fire to a sofa or smolder in the garbage.
Don't care. I smoke for the flavor, which is why I'm more likely to smoke cigars or my pipe than cigarettes. But I do also keep a can of body spray around for after I smoke. It helps a bit.
We all wonder about people on Oxygen that blow up a bathroom sneaking a butt, these prevent that and the people can with bad lungs that face death from being on oxygen and lighting up can now get their hit in a safe way.
I don't wonder at all. They were idiots. Darwin won that race.
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I smoked 3 packs a day for 30 years before I quit. I am not one of those anti-smokers. In fact, if someone walked up to a smoker from 50 feet away and started giving them a hard time, I would tell them to mind their blankly blank business. Let people smoke that want to as long as they do not affect others.
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Smoking in our city parks and all city facilities is illegal and we enforce it religiously. I also freely pass out littering citations to every smoker who throws their butts out the windows of their cars. I find it disgusting.
Do you also ticket those throwing out things like gum wrappers etc. with the same vigilance?
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Do you also ticket those throwing out things like gum wrappers etc. with the same vigilance?
Waiting for a response from TC.
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Do you also ticket those throwing out things like gum wrappers etc. with the same vigilance?
Doubtful cause I could issue 20 tickets a day for people throwing trash out their car.
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The only smoker I give a hard time to is my daddy :whistling: And, I actually secretly like the smell of his cigarettes.
I am reminded of my uncle whenever I smell pipe smoke, so that's not an entirely unpleasant smell to me.
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For a little levity:
[youtube=425,350]zaH0WTTfc1I[/youtube]
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I am really craving one now :argh:
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I'll smoke a cigarette at home with my coffee or after a meal.
I agree with banning it in public places like restaurants, airplanes etc.
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I'll smoke a cigarette at home with my coffee or after a meal.
I agree with banning it in public places like restaurants, airplanes etc.
I don't agree with banning smoking in public places like restaurants & bars. Those are private entities and the owners should be able to do as they choose.
I remember my early days of flying. Smoking was allowed. Funny thing, if the pilot had his head screwed on right, the smoke was sucked right out of the aircraft. Nowadays, confined in an aluminum tube at 35 Angels with a bunch of smokers sucks (and I smoke). I'm not quite sure what changed. I will say that I didn't smoke that much while in the airplanes.
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I don't agree with banning smoking in public places like restaurants & bars. Those are private entities and the owners should be able to do as they choose.
I remember my early days of flying. Smoking was allowed. Funny thing, if the pilot had his head screwed on right, the smoke was sucked right out of the aircraft. Nowadays, confined in an aluminum tube at 35 Angels with a bunch of smokers sucks (and I smoke). I'm not quite sure what changed. I will say that I didn't smoke that much while in the airplanes.
I remember the smoker's sections on the planes. Gag. The ventilation system couldn't handle it. The air is much better now. I smoke at home. I don't want to breathe stagnant smoke on a plane.
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More to the point, I don't want my KID breathing it.
I think establishments that cater solely to an adult clientele should have the *choice* of banning smoking.
I support laws that prohibit smoking in places that allow minors on the premises.
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Well I never smoked around my KID :p
He's a non-smoker, non-drinker. So my occasional cigarette didn't do anything to him.
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I was agreeing with you.
Smoking on planes would force kids to breathe it, just to go see Grandma for Christmas.
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Misinterpreted your reply. My apologies.
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That happens a lot.
I know I'm queer, but I didn't think I *typed* with a lisp.
It's all good. :)
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I support laws that prohibit smoking in places that allow minors on the premises.
I don't support any type of law like that. If it's a smoking establishment or the establishment has a designated smoking area, then the parent(s) should step up, be responsible and not take their children in there. It's that simple. "Inga" & I sit in the smoking section at IHOP here in town, hoping NOT to be seated next to a bunch of screaming, hyper-active, whiney assed kids. It doesn't always work as parents bring their kids into that section more often than we'd like.
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Generally I would agree, and oppose government intervention to legislate safety and common sense.
I, however, draw the line where children become involved.
I disagree with your approach on two counts.
The first is that my own experience has been that most places do not have adequate ventilation. Depending on the design of a venue, the smoke drifts over to tables where children are seated. The parents have attempted to protect their children, but cannot.
The second is, as you've experienced in your trips to IHOP, parents *won't* always make decisions that are in the best interest of a child.
I view the prohibition of smoking in child-accessible venues the least amount of government intervention to solve the problem.
One option is allowing people to vote with their feet, and parents with children simply refusing to patronize places that permit smoking or fail to have adequate separation and ventilation to spare non-smokers and children from second-hand smoke they don't wish to inhale. Again, your IHOP experience indicates that this would probably not be successful, since there will always be a percentage of families that continue to patronize the locations, contrary to their childrens' best interests.
Another solution would be enacting legislation to require business owners to have adequate ventilation. This creates a significant financial burden to the business owner, and therefore is a solution I cannot support.
A third would be some sort of active enforcement of "smoking sections" that would make it unlawful to permit children to enter [although that still doesn't resolve the above issue of smoke being un-contained].
I don't view smoking as a right. Granted, going to IHOP as a family is not a right, either, but what do we do in cases where children are being endangered through their parent's actions?
Even if smoking *were* a right, as the old adage goes "your right to extend your fist stops at my person". Or in this case, my child's person.
I do feel that, even in the smallest possible government, one of the most crucial roles is to protect its citizenry, ESPECIALLY those unable to protect themselves. In this case, children.
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Generally I would agree, and oppose government intervention to legislate safety and common sense.
I, however, draw the line where children become involved.
I disagree with your approach on two counts.
The first is that my own experience has been that most places do not have adequate ventilation. Depending on the design of a venue, the smoke drifts over to tables where children are seated. The parents have attempted to protect their children, but cannot.
The second is, as you've experienced in your trips to IHOP, parents *won't* always make decisions that are in the best interest of a child.
I view the prohibition of smoking in child-accessible venues the least amount of government intervention to solve the problem.
One option is allowing people to vote with their feet, and parents with children simply refusing to patronize places that permit smoking or fail to have adequate separation and ventilation to spare non-smokers and children from second-hand smoke they don't wish to inhale. Again, your IHOP experience indicates that this would probably not be successful, since there will always be a percentage of families that continue to patronize the locations, contrary to their childrens' best interests.
Another solution would be enacting legislation to require business owners to have adequate ventilation. This creates a significant financial burden to the business owner, and therefore is a solution I cannot support.
A third would be some sort of active enforcement of "smoking sections" that would make it unlawful to permit children to enter [although that still doesn't resolve the above issue of smoke being un-contained].
I don't view smoking as a right. Granted, going to IHOP as a family is not a right, either, but what do we do in cases where children are being endangered through their parent's actions?
Even if smoking *were* a right, as the old adage goes "your right to extend your fist stops at my person". Or in this case, my child's person.
I do feel that, even in the smallest possible government, one of the most crucial roles is to protect its citizenry, ESPECIALLY those unable to protect themselves. In this case, children.
Should parents that smoke be banned from smoking inside their own homes in your opinion?
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As a rule? No. To even be aware of whether a parent was doing so would constitute a violation of the parent's 4th Amendment rights in most cases.
However, I would not object to official involvement in a situation where a Doctor diagnosed a child with a life-threatening respiratory ailment and there was a body of evidence that suggested the parents were smoking in the home.
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My business - my rules.
Don't like it ?
Maccas is that way ----------->
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All of my kids have been NICU kids. The dr's were adamant that they not be around someone smoking or someone that smoked (unless they changed their clothing/washed their hair).
My mil smokes, I never required her to do that and never had any problems. I guess I would be regretting that decision right now if it had caused a problem though.
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Ohh, gee, I guess that since I grew up in the 60s and 70s that I'm permanently damaged due to all of the second hand smoke I ingested as a child. There were NO smoking sections. I don't recall ANY places, INCLUDING stores that didn't allow smoking. I never have had ANY problems with my lungs as a child and even after I started smoking. (It may be catching up to me now after almost 40 years of smoking) I was actually quite healthy as a child, regardless of the fact that my mom & grandmother both smoked around me. I firmly believe that the second-hand smoke data is skewed, but I also believe that cigarette companies stepped over the line when they started "enhancing" cigarettes.
Hell, we didn't have seat belts, car seats, uber-safe playground equipment, and many other things that todays world requires for children and I grew up just fine. We had toys that weren't "safe". [sarc] I always wonder how did so many of us 50s, 60s, & 70s children managed to make it to adulthood. [/sarc]
I will admit that a child with lung problems shouldn't be around smoke, perfumes, cleaners and other chemicals commonly found and/ or used in the home.
Certain perfumes make me physically ill since Desert Storm. Why?? I haven't a clue. (I'm talking severe headaches, my sinuses stuff up immediately, and I get nauseated to the point of wanting to vomit). Only recently are some people actually addressing this. (and very few at that) I don't go around preaching that people can only wear certain types of perfume, cologne or none at all. I just leave the "contaminated area" and go on about my business.
Your opinions equate to nanny statism. That does not jive with Conservative ideology in the least.
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^ The "enhancing" of cigarettes also comes from the FDA, Thor. I have noticed that whatever brand I get now (and I've sampled a couple since the new regulations) has more cigs than not that have a black resin that sticfks to the filter, and makes it harder to hit on. It's not just the regular yellowish natural filtered stuff. It's like a black dot, and I firmly believe that is from the chemical they use to make cigarettes go out faster. Unless I'm drawing off of it regulkarly, it goes out on me more than I'd like, and because of THEM, it's a bit more of a chore to inhale. That's purposeful, and freaking idiotic.
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Like I said a while ago,in another smoking thread, I've switched to making my own cigs. I have a little machine, I buy Natural tobacco and cig tubes. It accomplishes a few things, 1.) I smoke less because I actually have to MAKE a cig, 2.) I don't get all of the added chemicals, including the crap that makes cigs go out, & 3.) It actually smells better. I do smoke in the house, but I'm right by a window fan, used to exhaust the smoke. I only have problems with exhausting the smoke when the wind is out of the South, as it is today.
I did notice that after they added that crap to make the cigs go out, I was coughing a WHOLE LOT more.
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Like I said a while ago,in another smoking thread, I've switched to making my own cigs. I have a little machine, I buy Natural tobacco and cig tubes. It accomplishes a few things, 1.) I smoke less because I actually have to MAKE a cig, 2.) I don't get all of the added chemicals, including the crap that makes cigs go out, & 3.) It actually smells better. I do smoke in the house, but I'm right by a window fan, used to exhaust the smoke. I only have problems with exhausting the smoke when the wind is out of the South, as it is today.
I did notice that after they added that crap to make the cigs go out, I was coughing a WHOLE LOT more.
Can't help but comment -- what would it be like if you didn't have to cough AT ALL?
Just sayin'.....
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Can't help but comment -- what would it be like if you didn't have to cough AT ALL?
Just sayin'.....
Oh... byte me!! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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Can't help but comment -- what would it be like if you didn't have to cough AT ALL?
Just sayin'.....
THAT is one thing I don't miss and my hubby surely doesn't.....hacking up a lung in the morning.
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THAT is one thing I don't miss and my hubby surely doesn't.....hacking up a lung in the morning.
LOL, I'm not THAT bad!! I will say that I've had severe sinus problems since my return from Desert Storm. Probably from breathing all of that oil well fire smoke or Lord knows what. Of course there is no "Gulf War Syndrome"....... ::)
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LOL, I'm not THAT bad!! I will say that I've had severe sinus problems since my return from Desert Storm. Probably from breathing all of that oil well fire smoke or Lord knows what. Of course there is no "Gulf War Syndrome"....... ::)
Oh I was. Nothing says sexy like a woman hacking and wheezing and spewing phlegm.
Yummy............
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7ZLqh79BKU[/youtube]
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HAWT!1!
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THAT is one thing I don't miss and my hubby surely doesn't.....hacking up a lung in the morning.
I only cough in the morning until I get that first cup of coffee. I'm not sure if it's the smoking or caffeine withdrawals causing the coughing.
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Oh... byte me!! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
:-)
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I don't hack up a lung in the morning...I don't even have a little "ahem."
I don't give out bitchslaps very often around here. A couple for Eupher since he wanted them. But I did give a BS to someone once who told someone else, "just quit." As if a dopey internet post from a complete stranger was enough to override the admittedly powerful addiction. As if any of it were any of his/her business.
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I don't hack up a lung in the morning...I don't even have a little "ahem."
I don't give out bitchslaps very often around here. A couple for Eupher since he wanted them. But I did give a BS to someone once who told someone else, "just quit." As if a dopey internet post from a complete stranger was enough to override the admittedly powerful addiction. As if any of it were any of his/her business.
I've said it before, but it bears repeating.
The motivation and desire to quit smoking MUST be stronger than the addiction. You can take steps to minimize or reduce the addictive power through drugs or e-cigs, but ultimately, the motivation has to be there. If the m&d aren't there, the smoker won't quit.
It's as simple as that.
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My parents were heavy smokers and my mother smoked through her pregnancy. My oldest sister has chronic lung problems because of it. She never smoked a cigarette in her entire life. She was exposed to second-hand smoke in-utero and through childhood. Then she moved out.
She will suffer from chronic lung problems because of our mother's smoking through her pregnancy and from childhood second-hand smoke for the rest of her life.
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My parents were heavy smokers and my mother smoked through her pregnancy. My oldest sister has chronic lung problems because of it. She never smoked a cigarette in her entire life. She was exposed to second-hand smoke in-utero and through childhood. Then she moved out.
She will suffer from chronic lung problems because of our mother's smoking through her pregnancy and from childhood second-hand smoke for the rest of her life.
That's a pretty good reason to hate cigarettes and smoking, in general, while recognizing that your mother is ultimately responsible for her habit.
Cigarettes killed my mother, or perhaps better said, she killed herself through cigarettes.
Either way, I hate the damned things. :argh:
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That's a pretty good reason to hate cigarettes and smoking, in general, while recognizing that your mother is ultimately responsible for her habit.
Cigarettes killed my mother, or perhaps better said, she killed herself through cigarettes.
Either way, I hate the damned things. :argh:
Eupher, my mother died from lung cancer in 1992. She lived through an operation which removed part of her left lung in 1984 and kept on smoking. Then it spread to her brain. She was operated on and had the tumor removed, and still kept on smoking. The cancer turned her brain to mush. I will never forget being by her bedside on those last days.....
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Eupher, my mother died from lung cancer in 1992. She lived through an operation which removed part of her left lung in 1984 and kept on smoking. Then it spread to her brain. She was operated on and had the tumor removed, and still kept on smoking. The cancer turned her brain to mush. I will never forget being by her bedside on those last days.....
I'm very sorry. It's so hard to watch a loved one being taken like that.
I lost my mother to a heart attack in 2000. She had had 7 bypasses done in 1992, had quit smoking for 5 years, then decided it was time to check out due to other issues (insanity, maybe?) and started smoking again.
Cigarette-assisted suicide. I'm not joking.
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Cigarettes killed my mother, or perhaps better said, she killed herself through cigarettes.
The hot Texas sun killed my mother @ 36 years of age. Skin cancer. I look at it this way, one might as well enjoy life while they can. One never knows when their number is going to be called. Perhaps my view is somewhat fatalistic, but, seriously, I never saw myself living to be much older than 30. As far as I'm concerned, I'm overdue.
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The hot Texas sun killed my mother @ 36 years of age. Skin cancer. I look at it this way, one might as well enjoy life while they can. One never knows when their number is going to be called. Perhaps my view is somewhat fatalistic, but, seriously, I never saw myself living to be much older than 30. As far as I'm concerned, I'm overdue.
I don't believe in predestination per se, but I'm one that believes that when your number is up, it's up. The rest is mere circumstances. That doesn't mean I play Russian Roulette or wrestle gators for fun... But I don't live my life in contant fear or concern about dying either.
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^ I think I agree with this. However, you can't run from the Reaper. That's kind of why I hate the term "Gone too soon, actually. Um....no he/she wasn't. It was their time.