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Taking the same list of 11 potential Republican nominees and pitting them against President Obama shows some interesting results. While he only garners 8% of overall adults and just 7% of Republicans in the primary field, Rudy Giuliani is the only candidate on the list who edges out President Obama in a head to head match-up, 51% to 49%. The next two Republicans make it a close race but President Obama edges out Mitt Romney (51% to 49%) and Mike Huckabee (52% to 48%).
Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/03/28/3509035/rudy-giuliani-only-one-of-11-possible.html#ixzz1HvUiXLMT
Wow. Its interesting because when I come on here, clearly these 3 are not the favorites. Huckabee is a popular figure with social conservatives but has issues with some fiscal conservatives, Romney is popular with traditional republicans but has issues on health care, and Rudy is liked by some, but others think he is too moderate on social issues. Interesting to me anyway.
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Wow. Its interesting because when I come on here, clearly these 3 are not the favorites. Huckabee is a popular figure with social conservatives but has issues with some fiscal conservatives, Romney is popular with traditional republicans but has issues on health care, and Rudy is liked by some, but others think he is too moderate on social issues. Interesting to me anyway.
Just think how well a real conservative would poll.
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Just think how well a real conservative would poll.
+1.
Poor O'bammy has to be sucking buttermilk about now, knowing that 3 of the biggest RINOS this side of McLame could turn him into a one-term wonder in 19 months.
:bawl: I feel for Teh Won. I really do... :nutkick:
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I dunno. I'd vote for Huckabee in a nano second. My personal choice for a Republican ticket would be Christie and Huckabee and I don't care which one is on top of the ticket.
KC
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Your thread title is:
"Rudy, Romney, and Huckabee beat Obama in poll,"
But the poll does not say that. In fact, what you quote does not say that.
The poll finds ONLY Giuliani (not Romney, Huckabee) beat Obama.
Also & most importantly, this is a Harris Poll. Lou Harris is a bias, anti-Second Amendment Liberal
from the old school. He was the Kennedy family pollster for decades.
In 1993, he notoriously fabricated a poll Liberal anti-gun politicians love to quote.
The Harris poll showed 20% of American school children had either been shot at with a gun,
or had fired a gun at someone themselves.
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?ID=40
Harris polls are steaming piles of crap. But this Harris poll does not say what the OP claims.
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Your thread title is:
But the poll does not say that. In fact, what you quote does not say that.
The poll finds ONLY Giuliani (not Romney, Huckabee) beat Obama.
Also & most importantly, this is a Harris Poll. Lou Harris is a bias, anti-Second Amendment Liberal
from the old school. He was the Kennedy family pollster for decades.
In 1993, he notoriously fabricated a poll Liberal anti-gun politicians love to quote.
The Harris poll showed 20% of American school children had either been shot at with a gun,
or had fired a gun at someone themselves.
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?ID=40
Harris polls are steaming piles of crap. But this Harris poll does not say what the OP claims.
Thank you, I made an error. How do I change the title to "Rudy beats Obama, Huckabee and Romney come close in poll"?
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Thank you, I made an error. How do I change the title to "Rudy beats Obama, Huckabee and Romney come close in poll"?
FIFY.....
doc
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FIFY.....
doc
Thank you, I appreciate it.
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I don't want Huckabee or any of the others they have polled. I like Sarah but don't want her to run. I want Chistie, how come they haven't polled her?
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I don't want Huckabee or any of the others they have polled. I like Sarah but don't want her to run. I want Chistie, how come they haven't polled her?
Her???
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Her???
LOL, HIM
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LOL, HIM
Christie is probably the most honest politician in America. I'm sure he could beat Obama, but he is not going to run, especially when 3 folks who helped him get elected (Rudy, Romney, and T-Paw) are in the race, and he is friends with Gov. Mitch Daniels.
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No Romney please!!!
Let's not forget the "free" Hellcare in MA.
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No Romney please!!!
Let's not forget the "free" Hellcare in MA.
:cheersmate:
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No Romney please!!!
Let's not forget the "free" Hellcare in MA.
+1 more. No more RINOs.
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Wow. Its interesting because when I come on here, clearly these 3 are not the favorites. Huckabee is a popular figure with social conservatives but has issues with some fiscal conservatives, Romney is popular with traditional republicans but has issues on health care, and Rudy is liked by some, but others think he is too moderate on social issues. Interesting to me anyway.
I like Rudy. He did a good job in NYC and has the right mannerisms to stand up to anyone on the left or anyone on the Media who trys to put him down. He is a good American and would get things turned around.
But as of now I haven't made up my mind. But I would be happy with Rudy if he were the Nominee. Anyone who can beat Obama and get the country back on track.
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Well, there are some pros and cons I see with Rudy.
Pros:
He cut taxes, reduced crime, and reformed welfare as Mayor of New York City, a city I visit every so often and the greatest city in the world. I believe Rudy would be a free-market President and I also believe he would be strong like Bush on national defense. He is smart and very analytical, and feel he has matured as a human being since leaving the mayors office in 2002.
Cons:
In the past, Rudy has done some and said some controversial and at times, mean spirited things to people. There is little doubt the guy has a temper and he cheated on 2 of his 3 wives. Even though he was a great Mayor, he had mixed results as a prosecutor. Also, Rudy's stance on abortion and his support for keeping NYC a sanctuary city are problems he has.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I33ypl1eG8[/youtube]
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It's hard to speculate right now because there are so many variables, including someone no one even is even thinking about deciding to run. I do know that someone's negatives and positives aren't bell weathers at this point. Sara Palin's are high because she actually has the balls to come out and speak against the regime, thus is pilloried by the press. Rest assured anyone else who runs against 0bama will get the same treatment. To her credit, she's at least proved she can take it. Poll Insider (http://pollinsider.com/2011/03/17/elite%E2%80%99s-way-off-on-palin-electability-part-1-%E2%80%93-the-floor/) has been doing an interesting series on her electability but this is the first in the series. I'm sure you could find similar analyses of other front runners but she's my favorite choice so I follow her most closely.
And all have their baggage. If they don't the leftist press will find some anyway. During the election campaign whoever the nominee is he or she no longer has to be defined by the press because there will be ads, speeches, debates, etc. that will affect people's choice more than a biased media. The debates defined Reagan more than the press. Even though he was supposedly 25 points behind just a week before the election I believe the people being able to see the real CONSERVATIVE leader made the difference. America will always go to the conservative if he or she is strong and unapologetic. The problem is when they have someone who out nuance the left and play the centrist. Most misunderstand the squishy middle. They aren't looking for someone who is as undecided as they are, they're looking for someone who is strong enough to be able to persuade them to adopt their point of view. Even the middle is more conservative than they are liberal.
Personally, I'd love to see a combination like Palin/Cain, just to see the left twist themselves into knots justifying their (obvious) seething rage over a white woman who doesn't believe in a woman's right to choose to yank a less than perfect baby from safety of her womb and an uppity black man who actually had the gall to leave the liberal plantation. With every criticism of 0bama becoming about race, I'd just love to watch them squirm.
Cindie
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Christie is probably the most honest politician in America. I'm sure he could beat Obama, but he is not going to run, especially when 3 folks who helped him get elected (Rudy, Romney, and T-Paw) are in the race, and he is friends with Gov. Mitch Daniels.
But I want him and I get everything I want.
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Hopefully by the time the elections roll around just about any dog catcher can beat Zippy.
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Regarding Sarah Palin: Is that creep still living next to her and keeping track of her every movement?
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But I want him and I get everything I want.
Just a quick rundown on Christie, because I've seen differing reports:
1. Pro-life
2. Wants to incentivize clean energy, i.e., wind energy (fail)
3. Expand charter schools to replace failing public schools; build up colleges to minimize "brain drain".
4. Use line item veto; empower fiscal watchdogs; 10-point plan to punish criminal officeholders
5. Marriage defined as one man, one woman.
6. 3.2% funding increase for NIH.
7. Ok with either unionized state workers or civil service.
8. Spent beyond government travel allowance as US Attorney. (fail)
9. Generally favors welfare reform, gut COAH, has ID'd other failing welfare programs.
On The Issues (http://www.ontheissues.org/Chris_Christie.htm#Foreign_Policy) has NO recorded statements or positions by Christie on the following:
Budget & Economy
Foreign Policy
Environment
Free Trade
Homeland Security/Immigration
Gun Control
There are a lot of blanks there, but it's still early in the game. Personally, I like Christie's ballsy approach. But I'm not sure he doesn't cater to the unions and other power brokers in NJ anyway, which makes him a fraud.
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No matter who polls well now, that's all dwarfed by the factor represented by the price of gas in mid-2012.
Really nosing out Obama in a poll now is statistically insignificant vs. Obama nosing out another candidate. There is just too much time and too many events before the election for it to mean anything.
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Well, there are some pros and cons I see with Rudy.
Pros:
He cut taxes, reduced crime, and reformed welfare as Mayor of New York City, a city I visit every so often and the greatest city in the world. I believe Rudy would be a free-market President and I also believe he would be strong like Bush on national defense. He is smart and very analytical, and feel he has matured as a human being since leaving the mayors office in 2002.
Cons:
In the past, Rudy has done some and said some controversial and at times, mean spirited things to people. There is little doubt the guy has a temper and he cheated on 2 of his 3 wives. Even though he was a great Mayor, he had mixed results as a prosecutor. Also, Rudy's stance on abortion and his support for keeping NYC a sanctuary city are problems he has.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I33ypl1eG8[/youtube]
Personally he is against abortion and would not appoint anyone to the Supreme Court who was for it. As for his personal life, unfortunately we don't have the luxury today of fine tuning the nominee to every high ideal. We have to come together and nominate a person who can win. If Rudy becomes that person, I am all for it.
Whats worse, is haggling back and forth with a narrow viewed Christian outlook turning off the voters who will be voting in the general, and then losing again because everyone is down and negitive about the nominee.
Conservatives have done just that for so many years it would be funny if so much were not at stake this time. And, Democrats plan on it happening again. I just want to see a smart choice. One who can win the general election. One who can stand up to the media and keep their cool. Someone with sea-legs. I don't really care how they score on the check-off list.
But I understand what your saying Patriot, and as a party we have to come to grips with the fact that every thing, every person wants has to be configured with what will work this time. We must insist on our priorities. The main one for me is removing Obama and his awful team from office. Setting America back on a common sense course of action.
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No matter who polls well now, that's all dwarfed by the factor represented by the price of gas in mid-2012.
Really nosing out Obama in a poll now is statistically insignificant vs. Obama nosing out another candidate. There is just too much time and too many events before the election for it to mean anything.
And don't forget, the race card will be making prominent and very frequent appearances during the entire campaign by the Democrat party and media.
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Personally he is against abortion and would not appoint anyone to the Supreme Court who was for it. As for his personal life, unfortunately we don't have the luxury today of fine tuning the nominee to every high ideal. We have to come together and nominate a person who can win. If Rudy becomes that person, I am all for it.
Whats worse, is haggling back and forth with a narrow viewed Christian outlook turning off the voters who will be voting in the general, and then losing again because everyone is down and negitive about the nominee.
Conservatives have done just that for so many years it would be funny if so much were not at stake this time. And, Democrats plan on it happening again. I just want to see a smart choice. One who can win the general election. One who can stand up to the media and keep their cool. Someone with sea-legs. I don't really care how they score on the check-off list.
But I understand what your saying Patriot, and as a party we have to come to grips with the fact that every thing, every person wants has to be configured with what will work this time. We must insist on our priorities. The main one for me is removing Obama and his awful team from office. Setting America back on a common sense course of action.
Rudy would be an acceptable candidate in my book because of his stances on national security and his free-market economic beliefs. He was amongst the greatest Mayors in NYC history, and he truly did turn the city around.
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Well, there are some pros and cons I see with Rudy.
Cons:
In the past, Rudy has done some and said some controversial and at times, mean spirited things to people.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I33ypl1eG8[/youtube]
Everybody has a bad day. But he got the job done. I'll go with that over the nice person who fails.
Best thing about Rudy is he can stand up to the Media.
By the way, how bout Trump. He's getting high marks with his straight talk.
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Everybody has a bad day. But he got the job done. I'll go with that over the nice person who fails.
Best thing about Rudy is he can stand up to the Media.
By the way, how bout Trump. He's getting high marks with his straight talk.
I see your point about Rudy, I believe he would be a good president. Trump is not telling the true story about much of anything, and being blunt does not mean being honest. I don't think Trump even knows what he is talking about sometimes.
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No Rudi, Romney, or Huckabee!. We need strong conservatives and hopefully quite a few to choose from. Give me Bachmann, Palin, Barbour or Daniels and I would be a happy camper.
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I don't agree. Trump is saying what I hear from 99% of the people I run into traveling around the country. He is confronting the BS political correctness that has frozen this nation into being unable to be effective with anything. He tells it like he sees is. And, the contribution he makes is that he opens up the dialog to things nobody would talk about if he didn't.
Trump is doing way better than I thought he would and I like it. I still don't know who I will vote for as I want to see who all of them would have on their teams. But its all good. The nonsense being done by team Obama is stunning. We are the laughing stock of the world since he took office:
China and Russia are intending to come up with a difference world currency. Cutting spending on BMD systems, which don't kill a single person, but do save lives if we are attacked. Force-feeding horrific amounts of debt down the peoples throat that don't do anything but make our currency worthless. Pandering to resentment in this nation. Taking private property away from individuals. Arrogance beyond any this country has ever seen.
And who doesn't like Trump, and why?
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The only candidate that makes me nauseous is Romney. I will stay home if he is nominated. I voted for a sorry RINO the last time and will not vote for a sorrier one this time.
I hope Palin gets the nomination. It is about time we have a Repub candidate with business experience, a backbone and is an outsider.
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And who doesn't like Trump, and why?
He likes to take too many unnecessary chances, seems to be good at filing bankruptcy, and has always been out for himself.
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No matter who polls well now, that's all dwarfed by the factor represented by the price of gas in mid-2012.
Really nosing out Obama in a poll now is statistically insignificant vs. Obama nosing out another candidate. There is just too much time and too many events before the election for it to mean anything.
Very true. Election season hasn't kicked into high gear yet.
You have a lot of folks talking the talk -- we'll see which ones get the most support and are actually viable.
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The only candidate that makes me nauseous is Romney. I will stay home if he is nominated. I voted for a sorry RINO the last time and will not vote for a sorrier one this time.
I hope Palin gets the nomination. It is about time we have a Repub candidate with business experience, a backbone and is an outsider.
The one thing I continually scratch my head over when I read comments like this, is that whoever the nomination is - they got there because they worked their ass off to get there. Your candidate didn't win = your candidate is a lightweight in the campaign department. There is no conspiracy filled "they" who placed them in the nomination. Hard work and perseverance got them there.
Whoever wins the nomination gets my vote, as staying home equates to voting for the communist.
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The one thing I continually scratch my head over when I read comments like this, is that whoever the nomination is - they got there because they worked their ass off to get there. Your candidate didn't win = your candidate is a lightweight in the campaign department. There is no conspiracy filled "they" who placed them in the nomination. Hard work and perseverance got them there.
Whoever wins the nomination gets my vote, as staying home equates to voting for the communist.
I despise Romney as well, for reasons which I've talked about elsewhere, but I have to agree with FL -- if he wins the nomination, I'll have to hold my nose and pull that lever.
The alternative means a vote for Lord Barry and above all else, that man must be shown his walking papers.
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I don't want Huckabee or any of the others they have polled. I like Sarah but don't want her to run. I want Chistie, how come they haven't polled her?
Come to think of it...I kinda want Christie too.
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The one thing I continually scratch my head over when I read comments like this, is that whoever the nomination is - they got there because they worked their ass off to get there. Your candidate didn't win = your candidate is a lightweight in the campaign department. There is no conspiracy filled "they" who placed them in the nomination. Hard work and perseverance got them there.
Whoever wins the nomination gets my vote, as staying home equates to voting for the communist.
I will vote for any other candidate except Romney. I could care less how he got the nomination. He is a smooth talking LIBERAL. I will not vote for a liberal even if he has a "R" by his name. So all your blah blah about your candidate did not win= him being a lightweight is pure bullshit.
Since I am a senior, my number 1 issue is health care. Romney is the father of Obamacare. Rationing of health care scares the living shit out of me. Obamacare cuts 500 billion out of Medicare. 15% cuts to Doctors and Hospitals is also in the bill. The is the same type of crap that was in Romney care.
I have spent many days and nights in the emergency room and in the hospital before my parents passed away. I know how Medicare works now. The hospital tried to send my parents home too early. On one occasion, I threatened to sue them if my mother died due to their negligence. My dad was shipped out of the hospital too soon also. Obamacare will be even worse.
This explains my reason for never, ever voting for Romney. He is a liberal thru and thru. Maybe he is better than the commie in office. However, this country needs drastic changes not someone that will trim around the edges. Romney would be a disaster in my opinion.
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I will vote for any other candidate except Romney. I could care less how he got the nomination. He is a smooth talking LIBERAL. I will not vote for a liberal even if he has a "R" by his name. So all your blah blah about your candidate did not win= him being a lightweight is pure bullshit.
Yeah the masses aren't as intelligent as you, are they? ::) Romney wins? he pounded the pavement longer and harder getting his message out. Your candidate lost because he/she didn't work as hard. See how that works? No you don't see do you?
Since I am a senior, my number 1 issue is health care. Romney is the father of Obamacare. Rationing of health care scares the living shit out of me. Obamacare cuts 500 billion out of Medicare. 15% cuts to Doctors and Hospitals is also in the bill. The is the same type of crap that was in Romney care.
I have spent many days and nights in the emergency room and in the hospital before my parents passed away. I know how Medicare works now. The hospital tried to send my parents home too early. On one occasion, I threatened to sue them if my mother died due to their negligence. My dad was shipped out of the hospital too soon also. Obamacare will be even worse.
This explains my reason for never, ever voting for Romney. He is a liberal thru and thru. Maybe he is better than the commie in office. However, this country needs drastic changes not someone that will trim around the edges. Romney would be a disaster in my opinion.
You don't understand what Romney proposed in health care reform in MA, and how that was completely destroyed by the liberal legislature and susbsequent leftist Governor. I am not debating that, as I care little what your opinion is on Romney (compliments of it being spoon fed to you by the insane massresistance loons). His idea had a great deal of merit, with the potential of saving billions. Unfortunately, the liberl state of MA was not the place for that theory to meet practice, so hard lesson learned. I really don't think Romney is securing the nomination anyway. His time has passed in that regard.
That all said -- your premise is that you will vote for Obama, as that will be better than winning the White House in 2012 by pulling the lever for Romney.
Completely understood.
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Yeah the masses aren't as intelligent as you, are they? ::) Romney wins? he pounded the pavement longer and harder getting his message out. Your candidate lost because he/she didn't work as hard. See how that works? No you don't see do you?
You don't understand what Romney proposed in health care reform in MA, and how that was completely destroyed by the liberal legislature and susbsequent leftist Governor. I am not debating that, as I care little what your opinion is on Romney (compliments of it being spoon fed to you by the insane massresistance loons). His idea had a great deal of merit, with the potential of saving billions. Unfortunately, the liberl state of MA was not the place for that theory to meet practice, so hard lesson learned. I really don't think Romney is securing the nomination anyway. His time has passed in that regard.
That all said -- your premise is that you will vote for Obama, as that will be better than winning the White House in 2012 by pulling the lever for Romney.
Completely understood.
Don't get your bowels in an uproar; your brains are liable to explode. I won't vote for Obama cause he is a liberal who has flip flopped on Romneycare, abortion, gay rights, immigration and the environment. He is a Rockefeller blue blood RINO which is almost as bad as the commie in office. Many Conservatives including myself will stay home if he gets the nomination. Plus, I do not need some lame brain Yankee ass kisser for Romney telling me how to vote. I have been voting in elections probably before you were alive. Do you understand.
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Don't get your bowels in an uproar; your brains are liable to explode. I won't vote for Obama cause he is a liberal who has flip flopped on Romneycare, abortion, gay rights, immigration and the environment. He is a Rockefeller blue blood RINO which is almost as bad as the commie in office. Many Conservatives including myself will stay home if he gets the nomination. Plus, I do not need some lame brain Yankee ass kisser for Romney telling me how to vote. I have been voting in elections probably before you were alive. Do you understand.
I never told you how to vote. I am simply pointing out your support for Obama in staying home -- you "real conservatives" are really nothing of the sort, and are the true 'RINOs" of the party.
Yankee ass kisser? Oh how funny. I deal with facts. You deal with emotions, or whatever is fed to you on whatever boards you frequent.
Romney was my governor. I know who the guy is.
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I never told you how to vote. I am simply pointing out your support for Obama in staying home -- you "real conservatives" are really nothing of the sort, and are the true 'RINOs" of the party.
Yankee ass kisser? Oh how funny. I deal with facts. You deal with emotions, or whatever is fed to you on whatever boards you frequent.
Romney was my governor. I know who the guy is.
Good for you and all the liberals and RINO's in MA. Keep your sorry ass politicians up there. I deal with facts also. Romney is a liberal. He is no conservative. Trying to manufacture a new political stance is not going to work.
I figured a RINO like you was in Romney's back pocket. I notice you do not address his flip flops on abortion, gay rights, immigration and the environment. You can not polish a turd. Weak kneeded Republicans will vote for him cause he has an R by his name. They will chose the lesser of 2 bad candidates. I will stay home if he is nominated and so will many in the Tea Party movement that your BOY does not particularly care for. It is that plain and simple.