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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: compaqxp on March 27, 2011, 12:36:43 AM
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A man in Montana was granted worker's compensation even though he admitted he was high on pot when a grizzly bear mauled him at a private nature park. He was feeding the bears before the attack.
A Montana court agreed to grant workers' compensation to a man who admitted he was stoned on marijuana when a grizzly bear mauled him at a nature park.
Court officials said that Brock Hopkins acted "mind-bogglingly stupid" in November 2007 when he smoked a joint and decided to feed animals at Great Bear Adventures, a privately run park where black bears and grizzlies roam free.
Hopkins was severely injured when a grizzly named Red attacked him while he was roaming the bear enclosure, Montana's Daily Inter Lake newspaper reported.
His initial application for workers' comp was denied in 2010.
But a state Supreme Court ruling overturned that decision Tuesday, saying that Hopkins' pot habit didn't contribute to his injuries.
A major issue of the case was whether Hopkins was working at the park at the time of the incident.
Park owner Russ Kilpatrick said that Hopkins was just helping out and received some money but wasn't technically employed by the park. He also said he had warned Hopkins not to feed the bears.
Hopkins insisted that he worked there, and the court eventually ruled that he was an employee and entitled to compensation in its unanimous ruling.
During the investigation, Hopkins admitted that he was high at the time of the mauling, the paper reported.
In its ruling, the court said grizzlies "are equal-opportunity maulers" and that there was no proof that Hopkins provoked the attack because he was high, the paper said.
-LINK (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/03/24/2011-03-24_court_grants_workers_comp_to_man_mauled_by_grizzly_bear_after_smoking_pot_vic_wa.html)
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I hate bears
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I have to say....... :bs:
If I were high at work and caused an injury to myself or others while I was USN, I would have been in HUGE trouble. Hell, one cable tv company I worked for required a whiz quiz after ANY incident. I'm certain that whiz quiz would be used against a person if it ever went to court.
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I hate bears
They make some decent food IF one knows how to prepare bear meat. And the hide is fairly useful, too.
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I have to say....... :bs:
I'm not sure but I figured I post it anyway.
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I have to say....... :bs:
If I were high at work
I think that's when compaxp posts.
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I think that's when compaxp posts.
LOL..... :lmao: :lmao: Which is it, the high part, the work part or both??
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Well, in comp's case, we know it ain't the work part.
The owner of this park isn't much smarter than the DUmmie stoner. Had I known, I wouldn't have let the freak anywhere NEAR my business for fear of exactly what happened--liability.
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They make some decent food IF one knows how to prepare bear meat. And the hide is fairly useful, too.
Yup. One of the guys in the deer camp I belong to has a great bear roast recipe that involves ketchup and grape jelly.
I also want to see if a bearskin rug is an "aid in conception" for my wife and I. :naughty: The thing is, I have to shoot a bear first.
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The owner of this park isn't much smarter than the DUmmie stoner. Had I known, I wouldn't have let the freak anywhere NEAR my business for fear of exactly what happened--liability.
Exactly.
stupid + stupid = big payout
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I love bears.
Bears eat hippies. :-)
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I hate bears
They never seem to finish the job when you want them to, do they...
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They never seem to finish the job when you want them to, do they...
Same problem with crocodiles...
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Same problem with crocodiles...
Not always, sometimes the crocs do "finish the job".
http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2010/12/white-water-kayak-expedition-cancelled-after-guide-is-eaten-by-croc/
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You don't feed wild animals including bears. When they are fed, they keep going for more and more, like giving people handouts.
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You don't feed wild animals including bears. When they are fed, they keep going for more and more, like giving people handouts.
(http://americangrandjury.org/article_photos/democrat_bear.jpg)
Animals that were formerly self-sufficient are now showing signs of belonging to the Democrat Party as they have apparently learned to just sit and wait for the government to step in and provide for their care and sustenance. This photo is of a Democrat black bear in Montana nicknamed….. Bearack Obearma.
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If that bear doesn't get his handout soon he'll whine that it's because he's a black bear.
Even if he does wrangle a picnic basket he'll still get an ACLU lawyer to sue on his behalf because his handout was of lesser quality and quantity than what polar bears receive.
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You don't feed wild animals including bears. When they are fed, they keep going for more and more, like giving people handouts.
Not defending the guy [who was obviously a moron] but the bears in question were captive bears.
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Not defending the guy [who was obviously a moron] but the bears in question were captive bears.
Captive or not they're still considered "wild" animals because they as a species haven't been domesticated for even close to enough time to be thought of as otherwise.
Even animals commonly considered domesticated will occasionally turn on humans should they choose to. Dogs , cats and democrats for example.
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I never claimed they were domesticated.
But saying you shouldn't feed captive bears is... basically saying you should let them starve to death. They don't have the ability to forage for food on their own- they're captive.
That's all I was responding to- not saying they were cuddly, domesticated pet bears.
Cats are barely domesticated. They will go completely feral in one generation.
Dogs are domesticated- the fact that they will sometimes injure humans in self-defense or territorial behavior [or because they've been trained to do so] isn't evidence of their lack of domestication. It's evidence that they also believe in the 2nd Amendment. :-)
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I never claimed they were domesticated.
But saying you shouldn't feed captive bears is... basically saying you should let them starve to death. They don't have the ability to forage for food on their own- they're captive.
That's all I was responding to- not saying they were cuddly, domesticated pet bears.
Cats are barely domesticated. They will go completely feral in one generation.
Dogs are domesticated- the fact that they will sometimes injure humans in self-defense or territorial behavior [or because they've been trained to do so] isn't evidence of their lack of domestication. It's evidence that they also believe in the 2nd Amendment. :-)
My point was that captive or not they're STILL wild animals.
I wasn't implying they shouldn't be fed once captive.
If you choose to feed a wild animal in the wild and if you choose to feed a wild animal in captivity - the same set of precautions should be followed to ensure your ass don't end up on the table. Captivity doesn't change the nature of the beast.
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Captivity is not all that great for humans either.
Remember the 3 punks that sneak into a zoo, drunk and high and waited until after dark and taunted and teased the big CATS. Under normal conditions the enclose was high enough so the cats could not jump out, but under harassment one or two got the Adrenalin up and leaped 3 feet over what was considered a safe fence 12 feet high and got one or 2 of the punks.
One does not poke a stick at a chained pit bull, tease them enough and they can do amazing things to get loose.
No animal can be tamed be it a bear or human. Hang out with people that work in county Jails or State prisons and you will hear some tales that will give you the Willey Wases about prisoners that become more dangerous then alligator.
No Anamal is safe, be it dog, cat or ferret. They can be tamed to a point but who knows what will set off a pet to harm the family. Bears are by nature hunters of meat there is no such thing as a tame bear, lions, tigers or
Even TOTO that was know to snap at the film crew and Judy Garland making a movie.
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Vesta, don't you have some bears to go feed or something?
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Does the bear get compensated for having the taste of liberal in his mouth?
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One does not poke a stick at a chained pit bull, tease them enough and they can do amazing things to get loose.
Eh. There's nothing impressive about pitbulls, aside from the lengths which the people who like the breeds will go to in attempts to prove that they have some redeemable working value. Seems like the breed only attracts thugs and liberals. Why? Anyone with any sense gets a breed that can... you know... actually do the work. There's a reason why you see Police Departments avoid them, and you *don't* see anyone being successful with the breed in any legit, competitive sport like Schutzhund or French Ring.
Now, the German Shepherd, on the other hand...
There's a dog I wouldn't suggest poking a stick at.
Poke my puppy with a stick, I dare ya!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/Uncle_Sams_Kid/5213_104483032051_697847051_1990654.jpg)
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Eh. There's nothing impressive about pitbulls, aside from the lengths which the people who like the breeds will go to in attempts to prove that they have some redeemable working value. Seems like the breed only attracts thugs and liberals. Why? Anyone with any sense gets a breed that can... you know... actually do the work. There's a reason why you see Police Departments avoid them, and you *don't* see anyone being successful with the breed in any legit, competitive sport like Schutzhund or French Ring.
Now, the German Shepherd, on the other hand...
There's a dog I wouldn't suggest poking a stick at.
Poke my puppy with a stick, I dare ya!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/Uncle_Sams_Kid/5213_104483032051_697847051_1990654.jpg)
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Mp, my dear, some country's as Germany now go with the Rotties as the prison inmates can and do kill the Shepard's, --from what I heard and this is really sick they will grab the dog by the front legs and stretch them out to break bone and cartilage.
Shepard's are really friendly dogs, throw them a crust of bread and as you have fed them they do not fear you, yes they will attack when ordered to but these dogs are still vulnerable to 200 pound men that are fighting for their lives.
Rotties are another kettle of fish, 100 pounds or more and if not raised in a family, a one man dog. Rotties are not like Shepard's mentally, they are constantly on the look out for their masters safety, they will break down a door to see what they are doing in the tub or on the toilet
Only once in her life did my Rottie act up, she growled at a person who walked past her on the street. Her nose was telling her something was not right with the man. This is difficult for me to write but My Rottie a huge big girl .She was a big beast and when the kids or adults were around I would warn them to never look her in the eye to look at her ears but never to challenge her. Never act as pray, no rolling on the carpet or running from her.
Lord MP. I loved that dog, I took her to the range and she just sat, no gun shot fear. I felt I could have walked into Hell with her and been safe, she was so much more aware of things then a human would be.
I feel safe with Hubby, but he does not have the hearing, eye site, or smell my big girl had. Plus Hubby does not spend his life at my side guarding me from danger
.Unlike a human the dog would get up to check on any little noise she heard in the day or night. When we had to put her down 8 years ago I still grieve, when I see a Rottie being walked or at a dog show I still tear up. Due to cancer it was like pulling the plug on a child or parent.-------
I had one Shepard that helped me raise my kids and died after 5 years, we grieved for him, but no other breed from the Rottie has effected me as much as this one huge dog that stole all our hearts and we will never forget.
Just to say that you are young and can train and have a savior at your side, I now am too old to ever have a beast to protect me-----unless Hubby kicks off and somehow I hook up with an ageing biker . These old men make pit bulls look harmless.
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Uh huh.
I served in Iraq with only German Shepherds and Malinois. No Rotts. No Pits. There's a reason for that.
Brute strength in a working dog is useless without agility, speed, stamina and dexterity. Rotts and Pits are lumbering powerhouses.
You're comparing sumo wrestlers with martial artists here.
Good luck putting a 90 lb Rott through a second story window for a building entry.
Rotties were popular in Schutzhund and Ring Sport in the 80s. You still see some people work them, but they don't make it to National or World level competition. They cannot compete with the GSDs and Malinois.
Clearly, you have never seen a properly bred German Shepherd.
The breed standard calls for them to be aloof to anyone outside the family. A "friendly to anyone" German Shepherd is a badly bred, faulty GSD who should be spayed or neutered at maturity to prevent the perpetuation of bad genetics.
Food refusal is innate to most well-bred GSDs, but to those who weren't born with good sense, it's an easily trainable task.
A German Shepherd should also not flinch under the gun, which is why the gun sureness test has always, and will always be a part of Schutzhund.
A well trained dog obey commands under distraction- to include the distractions of a gunshot, or a child running around and rolling on the carpet and appealing to the dog's prey drive.
Most of what people see as "protective" qualities in untrained dogs are really nerve and temperament problems.
Nice collection of working dogs and breeds [Mals, GSDs, what appears to be a Dutchie]:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPXL33bufn0[/youtube]
The lack of Rotts or Pits is conspicuous.
Regardless, all of these dogs are domesticated and trained, and won't bite unless permitted to do so by their handlers.
I wouldn't say you're too old for a dog.
My friend Jason Lake is wheelchair bound.
He trains and competes in Schutzhund at a Regional [soon to be National!] level with his German Shepherd "Dante".
Posted a vid of Jason on the "dogs" thread on the Hobby board, which is probably where we should move the topic if we're going to continue.
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Does the bear get compensated for having the taste of liberal in his mouth?
Nah, he'll just lick his ass to get rid of it.