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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: CactusCarlos on April 10, 2008, 08:24:28 PM
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Memo Signed By Bush, AUTHORIZING TORTURE, Surfaces
Posted by shraby on Thu Apr-10-08 05:13 PM
So, last year I had breakfast with former Reagan Adm. official George E. Lowe and he described to me how the implementation of the Bush Administration torture policy probably went down.
As it turns out, Lowe's call was highly accurate and about an hour ago George Lowe called to tell me that a memo, part of the process which had probably set the whole Bush Administration torture regime in motion, is publicly available. How about that.
Ray McGovern has pointed the way to an NSC action memo, signed by George W. Bush himself, which initiated the process under which an entire torture regime, which used methods that violate not only the Geneva Conventions but also US anti-torture laws signed by Bill Cinton, came to be.
(Much much more)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/10/95033/2181/104/493151
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Fake but Accurate.
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karab (24 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr-10-08 07:01 PM
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8. too bad
Too bad we'll have to wait until January for the War Crimes trials to begin.
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you actually think bush will be charged with anything? :mental:
SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr-10-08 08:18 PM
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17. Impeach Commander AWOL & Dickie 'Five Military Deferments' for
War crimes and lies to Congress and the American people.
Now.
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in your dreams maybe :rotf:
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr-10-08 08:36 PM
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19. But madame speaker refuses to follow the Constitution, hence enabling the torture regime
yep, she will belong with them on the docket, and this gives me no pleasure
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because she does not care what people on DU think and he has not committed any crime.
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Let me be clear on how I feel about torture/waterboarding and alleged/incarcerated terrorists:
BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY !!
... and to put it so genteelly:
I DON'T GIVE A FUZZY RATS ASS WHO IT HAIR LIPS !!
Suck it DUmmies! :bird:
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I bet we see the real memo in 24 bidness hours.
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I DON'T GIVE A FUZZY RATS ASS WHO IT HAIR LIPS !!
Suck it DUmmies! :bird:
Sweetie, has anyone spoken to you about bottling up your feelings inside. You should really learn to express yourself. :rotf:
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If you read the memo it says that the NSC determined that Al-Qaeda wasn't subject to the Geneva conventions being not attached to a "state" of any kind.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB127/02.02.07.pdf
It shows the US determined them to be "unlawful combatants".
It states furthermore,
"Treat detainees humanely and, to the extent
appropriate and consistent with military necessity, in a manner consistent with Geneva Conventions".
DUmmies are saying that this is the "loophole" that Bush used to allow torture. So DUmmies believe that "Determining them to be unlawful combatants" and "treating them consistently with Geneva Conventions consistent with Military Necessity" translates to torture!
I figger this is what the Moonbats see: Military Necessity = Torture.
Can someone here show me anyone that was convicted of torturing the detainees? Yes, I know some were convicted of "Abuse" not "Torture" Anyone?
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Hey DUmmies...these people aren't captured for violating U.S. law...they don't have to be mirandized like some shoplifter and they don't ahve to have due process.
They are enemy combatants being detained to keep them off of the battlefield and being vigorously interrogated for information that will lead to capturing and detaining more of their brethren to keep THEM off of the battlefield...and preventing them from killing American soldiers.
These people you weep for would as soon kill you as look at you.
They don't care how much you Lewinsky them and "champion" their cause. Given the chance and about 10 seconds they'd slit our throat like your name was Nick Berg.
And then walk away thanking you for your support as you bleed out on the ground.
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I DON'T GIVE A FUZZY RATS ASS WHO IT HAIR LIPS !!
Suck it DUmmies! :bird:
Sweetie, has anyone spoken to you about bottling up your feelings inside. You should really learn to express yourself. :rotf:
My family cringes when I get on my soap box! :lmao: Thankfully, they're conservatives as well and understand/share my frustration!
Repressing your feeling only leads to sleepless nights, a belly full of ulcers and a bad digestive system. I am not afflicted with any of these ailments!
FWIW: This used to be my sig line on a board that was over run with terrorist loving liberal sympathizers ...
(http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/9408/gitmoyz0.jpg)
I make no apologizes for my way of thinking on 9/11, the religion of piece, moohaMAD (pigs be upon him), etc. etc. etc. Eff 'em all with your boots on!
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We ****ed up when we started taking prisoners.
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karab (24 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr-10-08 07:01 PM
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8. too bad
Too bad we'll have to wait until January for the War Crimes trials to begin.
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you actually think bush will be charged with anything? :mental:
SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr-10-08 08:18 PM
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17. Impeach Commander AWOL & Dickie 'Five Military Deferments' for
War crimes and lies to Congress and the American people.
Now.
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in your dreams maybe :rotf:
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr-10-08 08:36 PM
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19. But madame speaker refuses to follow the Constitution, hence enabling the torture regime
yep, she will belong with them on the docket, and this gives me no pleasure
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because she does not care what people on DU think and he has not committed any crime.
Yup, they are still holding out for that Chimpeachment in order to assuage BillyBob's impeachment....
Even if it means making stuff up.
Anything that comes from the Kos is circumspect...and most likely manufactured...it is like the Enquirer, but with fangs.
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Hey DUmmies...these people aren't captured for violating U.S. law...they don't have to be mirandized like some shoplifter and they don't ahve to have due process.
They are enemy combatants being detained to keep them off of the battlefield and being vigorously interrogated for information that will lead to capturing and detaining more of their brethren to keep THEM off of the battlefield...and preventing them from killing American soldiers.
These people you weep for would as soon kill you as look at you.
They don't care how much you Lewinsky them and "champion" their cause. Given the chance and about 10 seconds they'd slit our throat like your name was Nick Berg.
And then walk away thanking you for your support as you bleed out on the ground.
:taps: :clap: :clap: :clap:
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You know, Uhhuh, I sort of suspected that's what the piece of paper said.
It's a good thing we're all learning to check the primitive links now; I for one used to just take the primitives' word about their links, but not any more; not after that one primitive grotesquely misquoted Patrick Buchanan.
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Let me be clear on how I feel about torture/waterboarding and alleged/incarcerated terrorists:
BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY !!
... and to put it so genteelly:
I DON'T GIVE A FUZZY RATS ASS WHO IT HAIR LIPS !!
Suck it DUmmies! :bird:
H5! I've got a 5 1/2 month-old daughter and I want these Islamist WOS' dealt with, HARSHLY.
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I read this last night and that was the only interpretation of the memo I got..a statement regarding the status of enemy combatants.
One thread stated that the memo had been out for a couple of years at least.
Bottom line is as Frank always says...primitives always lie.
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I read this last night and that was the only interpretation of the memo I got..a statement regarding the status of enemy combatants.
One thread stated that the memo had been out for a couple of years at least.
Bottom line is as Frank always says...primitives always lie.
Even though I've pointed that out to Coach himself on occasion, ya know what? I need y'all to remind me of that from time to time.
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I read this last night and that was the only interpretation of the memo I got..a statement regarding the status of enemy combatants.
One thread stated that the memo had been out for a couple of years at least.
Bottom line is as Frank always says...primitives always lie.
....and the story begins with the word "So" We all know what that means.....
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Hey DUmmies...these people aren't captured for violating U.S. law...they don't have to be mirandized like some shoplifter and they don't ahve to have due process.
They are enemy combatants being detained to keep them off of the battlefield and being vigorously interrogated for information that will lead to capturing and detaining more of their brethren to keep THEM off of the battlefield...and preventing them from killing American soldiers.
These people you weep for would as soon kill you as look at you.
They don't care how much you Lewinsky them and "champion" their cause. Given the chance and about 10 seconds they'd slit our throat like your name was Nick Berg.
And then walk away thanking you for your support as you bleed out on the ground.
:werd: and Hi5 x 3.
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Hey DUmmies...these people aren't captured for violating U.S. law...they don't have to be mirandized like some shoplifter and they don't ahve to have due process.
They are enemy combatants being detained to keep them off of the battlefield and being vigorously interrogated for information that will lead to capturing and detaining more of their brethren to keep THEM off of the battlefield...and preventing them from killing American soldiers.
These people you weep for would as soon kill you as look at you.
They don't care how much you Lewinsky them and "champion" their cause. Given the chance and about 10 seconds they'd slit our throat like your name was Nick Berg.
And then walk away thanking you for your support as you bleed out on the ground.
:taps: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Um, that's a Taps smilie, sweets. :-)
I think you mean: :salutearmy:
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I read this last night and that was the only interpretation of the memo I got..a statement regarding the status of enemy combatants.
One thread stated that the memo had been out for a couple of years at least.
Bottom line is as Frank always says...primitives always lie.
....and the story begins with the word "So" We all know what that means.....
Also note the word "probably" in the first sentance.......
doc
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Fake but Accurate.
Yes - the memo is a forgery but the premise behind it is true.
Speaking truth to power wins again!
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This is the memo that was on the kos page the DUmmy linked to.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/10/95033/2181/104/493151 (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/10/95033/2181/104/493151)
Ray McGovern is featured prominently in the associated story.
He was a attendee of Rep Conyars basement hearing a few years ago and embarrassed the thing beyond belief with his nutty anti semitic viewpoints.
There is nothing in that memo remotely suggesting anything and that they are still harping on it and befuddled why no one is paying attention proves what a complete bunch of imbeciles they are.
It is hilarious to watch them twist and contort,all red faced,screaming for relevance. :rotf:
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There is nothing in that memo remotely suggesting anything and that they are still harping on it and befuddled why no one is paying attention proves what a complete bunch of imbeciles they are.
WTF!!!
Where's the torture?!?!? All that just to see Bush say detainees should be treated humanely???
*kicks puppy*
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Neighbor, it's like shooting fish in a barrel . . . except that would be cruel to fish. They deserve better. DUmb****s, OTOH, don't.
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Club Gitmo......Learn it,love it,live it.