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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: CactusCarlos on March 08, 2011, 11:49:39 PM
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Question: Is the military a union?
Posted by CommonSensePLZ on Tue Mar-08-11 11:01 PM
Do they get "taxpayer handouts"? Should they be worried about the tea party coming after them next?
:banghead:
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Please tell me this guy isn't serious. There's just a wee bit of difference between Weingarten Rule and the UCMJ.
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It seems this uninformed DUmp maggot is displaying the typical paranoia associated with not knowing. Period.
Their whole understanding of human politics being rooted in emotion and not sound reason leaves him wanting for reassurance and so he is throwing out a lifeline into the darkness in hopes some more scholarly mind will reel him in from the abyss of uncertainty and reassure him with inalienable truths, supporting his platform. If there was one.
The gays have used the military as a captive population to foist their agenda upon. Everywhere the gays have sought furtherance of their vile ways in the public arena, throughout history and dating back through several empires, whenever the issue of gay relevance come up in a vote it is shot down in flames. Every time. So what do they do?
They've got a mouthful, dammit. They are hungry, dammit. They will be heard, dammit. So what do they do? Insert a Trojan (horse) into the military's back door -pun intended- but it ain't funny.
The Gay agenda was foisted upon the military because they saw it as an avenue to advance their agenda where the population concerned could not fight back through redress of grievances as civilian society could, under separate law.
Gays in the military have throughout our history been expelled from the service. In the twentieth century, when our military expanded beyond our shores gays found in the ranks were discharged and afforded not the usual separation of honorable service. They were not sent home as those were who had served honorably, enlistment served fully and a train ticket home from the point of enlistment.
Gays dishonorably discharged as such in the states were shown the gate, drummed out right there, wherever they were stationed. Those discovered at sea or overseas were given only the closest point of landfall on the 48. This is one of the reasons why San Fran Freako and New York City have so many gays. If, for example, you were a sailor from Iowa and kicked out of the Navy for being gay before the 1960's or whenever it was changed to include all of those discharged sent home no matter the cause of separation to their home of record, you did not go back to the farm in Iowa for shame, in those days any town in America would treat you as a pariah and the shamed knew it. They went to San Fran Freako or New York and joined the undergound because that is as far as the government paid for a ticket to get rid of them and everyone in their home town would know because it would be reported in their hometown newspapers that they were dishonorably discharged for being a degenerate.
America was tight once.
The numbers piled up. These meccas of degeneration tended to multiply from various sources and became magnets for degeneration and proliferated, growing exponentially and becoming concentrated voting blocks locally.
The military was set upon by gays, not because they necessarily wanted to be there, when I was in the Marines I saw very few gays, very few, and they all saw their present circumstances as a mistake and sought to get out by any means. I saw few female marines seeking a twenty year career, unlike the Navy, Army and Air Force, which I saw a lot of being stationed on Oahu with two bases for each service on the island. I trained with a lot of them and mixed with them regularly. I know what I'm talking about. In the other services there was no shortage of career females with rank, most, and I affirm this, most female Marines get out at four years and a substantial number deliberately get knocked up to get out. Gays look upon them enviously because they don't have that option but I feel nigh on 99% of them would leap at the chance. There simply are NOT any substantial numbers of gays in the military as career professionals, enlisted or officers. The gay political force from the shadows seeks to use the military as an inroad to middle America through tearing down walls with gays in the military as an established example that it is "O.K." and "accepted" by America.
Put to the truth of public democracy, as the left touts, gays are outta here! That's why they subjugate the military as a voiceless testbed and inroad to the heartland of America.
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CommonSensePLZ (421 posts) Tue Mar-08-11 11:01 PM
Original message
Question: Is the military a union?
Edited on Tue Mar-08-11 11:04 PM by CommonSensePLZ
Do they get "taxpayer handouts"? Should they be worried about the tea party coming after them next?
A "taxpayer handout" is money stolen from the taxpayer being given to people who did nothing to earn or produce said money (and in many cases never will).
If you're trying to say that members of the military did nothing to earn their pay - even some of your fellow DU members will get in the long line to kick your ass.
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3. Are you kidding? One must waive their Constitution rights upon entry.
That right there could possibly be why most of us who served take our Constitutional rights so seriously.
We suspended our own rights for a time in order to protect those rights for you cheeto munching jerks.
The only time you goons mention Constitutional rights is when you have somehow twisted what it says to suit your own purposes.
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DUmmies know so little about military service that a factual answer would be completely lost on nearly all of them.
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They didn't call it "The Union Army" for nothing.[DU/historymajor]
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Good grief! I can't think of anything else to say. The stooopidity is astounding!
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Check this jackass' moniker.
I'm calling "bullshit".
sarge43 (1000+ posts) Wed Mar-09-11 06:39 AM
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5. No, the baggers won't use the union meme. Even they aren't that stupid.
The camel will nose into the tent by
1. "Well yeah, we honor our brave boys in combat, but all those non combatants who sit around and drink coffee all day, why should they get all those benefits?!" And yes I've been in that argument. Let's see, all the times in my 20 I got to pick and choose what I'd be doing and where I'd be -- zip. And yes, I did sit down (hard to type standing up) and yes I did drink a lot of coffee. Had to, had to stay awake for 73 hours helping to get a bomber wing over to the other side of world. One other thought, my enlistment contract reads no differently than an Army Ranger.
2. "Firefighters, police and other dangerous work don't have those benefits." Two words: False equivalency
As for "taxpayer handouts", my standard answer, "If it's such a lush deal, please do sign up." Oh for the record, both active duty and retirement wages are taxed.
I'm somewhat worried. I think the benefits will be slowly eroded rather than nuked as Walker tried to do.
1. I'm still calling bullshit. I'll leave it to the zoomies here to spell it out.
However, I would like to point out this extra shitty bullshit:
One other thought, my enlistment contract reads no differently than an Army Ranger.
Actually it does you shit-encrusted tool. Ranger is a separate duty that you must specifically volunteer to be apart of and the contract must state as much. And I hasten to add if you took this line to a real ranger (sorry, Jesse MacBeth doesn't qualify) he'd hand you the most righteous ass beating in human history.
2. Service members wish they had it as good as cops and firefighters. Whatever shit they may go through during a shift at least they get real food, a bed instead of a fart-sack and no mortars raining in on their house. Now let's go back talking about teachers demanding money for union dues to buy-off democrats who will raise more taxes fto give to unions that support them.
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Well if they are a union someone forgot to tell my son.
Cindie
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Well if they are a union someone forgot to tell my son.
Cindie
The apprenticeship program is a bitch.
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Look for the union label:
(http://www.montney.com/marine/iwo.jpg)
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Oy vey.....
Primitives --
Does any branch of the military or its members -
Elect local union stewards ?
Pay dues to a union organization ?
Use those dues to compensate stewards, protect its members, and to elect national union representatives ?
Negotiate wages/establish labor contracts ?
Use remaining dues to elect politicians to office ?
If..by some slim chance...(chortle).. the military doesn't do any of these things, then maybe, just maybe... they aren't unionized. - Shocking as it may be... :mental: